Jesus Camp, the documentary

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  • dkst0426
    dkst0426 Posts: 523
    sponger wrote:
    OK, so what do you think she meant?

    She said:
    "There are two kinds of people: people who love jesus, and people who don't."

    At which point did she address the issue of personal morality as you claimed? I don't see it, and I'm not making the same inference you made. Statement 1 along with Statement 2 don't always make Statement 3 true or correct.
  • sponger
    sponger Posts: 3,159
    dkst0426 wrote:
    She said:


    At which point did she address the issue of personal morality as you claimed? I don't see it, and I'm not making the same inference you made. Statement 1 along with Statement 2 don't always make Statement 3 true or correct.

    In other words, you don't think jesus represents morality to her.
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  • uninnocent
    uninnocent Posts: 1,565
    i watched this documentary tonight, and wow, it really frightened me.

    whatever happened to encouraging children to ask questions, to learn, to better themselves? this film spotlighted the fact that these children are being spoonfed one belief, and taught that everything else is wrong. whatever happened to encouraging diversity?

    this film angered me very much.
  • Abookamongstthemany
    Abookamongstthemany Posts: 8,209
    uninnocent wrote:
    i watched this documentary tonight, and wow, it really frightened me.

    whatever happened to encouraging children to ask questions, to learn, to better themselves? this film spotlighted the fact that these children are being spoonfed one belief, and taught that everything else is wrong. whatever happened to encouraging diversity?

    this film angered me very much.

    I just watched this tonight and I must say....WOW! These people have serious problems! It is so wrong to do that to the mind of a child. Pure manipulation with no room for individual thought and expression on the matter.

    Just go to vidoes and check this shit out!
    http://www.jesuscampthemovie.com/
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z-zKNGJEPo&mode=related&search=

    :D
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  • smarchee
    smarchee Windsor, Ontario Posts: 14,539
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z-zKNGJEPo&mode=related&search=

    :D

    that was classic; can't imagine that appearing on American news
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  • gossardstradlin
    gossardstradlin Posts: 324
    bryanfury wrote:
    this report scared me the first time i saw it.

    extremism has to start somwhere, and just think of the outcome of 30- years of thsi type of training on our youth. they then turn and teach the same to their children, and next thing you know, we live in saudi arabia, where extremists control everything.

    this type of camp has to be shut down now!

    I don't think "shut down now" is the answer, they have the right to believe this. Whether it's harmful to the society 30 years down the line, who knows what will be harmful to society 30 years down the line.

    Saudi Arabia point is a little drastic IMO.

    I do agree any about the point about being a little scary. That kind of devotion to any one thing by masses of people can be scary.
    "She knows there is no success like failure
    And that failure's no success at all."

    "Don't ya think its sometimes wise not to grow up."

    "Cause life ain't nothing but a good groove
    A good mixed tape to put you in the right mood."
  • gossardstradlin
    gossardstradlin Posts: 324
    gossardstradlin wrote:
    I don't think "shut down now" is the answer, they have the right to believe this. Whether it's harmful to the society 30 years down the line, who knows what will be harmful to society 30 years down the line.

    Saudi Arabia point is a little drastic IMO.

    I do agree any about the point about being a little scary. That kind of devotion to any one thing by masses of people can be scary.

    Check that. Just watched the trailer and looked at the photos, thanks ABOOK.

    Yikes, ok so its very scary. "I needed something more in life", from a five year old???

    Sh*t the music creeped me out.

    Is it at video stores? I remember hearing about it but wasn't sure it was out yet.
    "She knows there is no success like failure
    And that failure's no success at all."

    "Don't ya think its sometimes wise not to grow up."

    "Cause life ain't nothing but a good groove
    A good mixed tape to put you in the right mood."
  • rigneyclan
    rigneyclan Posts: 289
    saw that the video in the original link was removed, so here it is again:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RNfL6IVWCE

    also:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7UWIb4FwHPg

    "We're being trained to be warriors... but in a much funner way"....wow.


    I'll be damned if these crazy little kids ever get in control of this country.
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  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    on the 2nd video on the jesus camp site the lady goes on about how muslims teach their children to use grenades and bomb belts for their faith and how she would like to see that in christians! :eek:
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  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    this doc was just creepy...all of em were...the mom teaching her kids science can't/doesn't prove anything, the ONLY possible explanation for everything is intelligent design, how the mother kept referring to it as 'training' her kids, not teaching or anything like that...then the lady running the camp was completel fucking nuts, too!

    and she is a liar...near the end when she's on that radio show she says her camp doesn't politicize things and doesn't bring up politics or politicial parties....yet earlier in the doc at the camp they brought out a lifesized cardboard cutout of bush and had the kids touch it and pray thanking them for such a divine leader who will fight this divine war and all that bullshit!

    and that girls dad who was atually happy he was going to iraq on this 'all expenses paid missionary work'!!! and the girl was happy her dad was going to fight this war, too!

    these ppl are warped!!!
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    puremagic wrote:
    That doesn't help. Bible camps are a big thing and for those that believe, a good thing. When it's tampered with hate and misinformation regarding other religions and politics then are they on the same line as cult or terrorists training camps. Supposedly, Jesus died for their sins, he never asked them to die in his name.

    At what point does teaching become brainwashing? and to what end?

    actually, in the doc, the lady who runs the jesus camp says how in the middle east they train their kids at around 5 to wear bomb belts and fire rifles and how we need that dedication and willingness to do that for jesus and their god! :eek:
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    I watched this last weekend, and it thoroughly creeped me out. At the very beginning they asked the kid's pastor why she focused on kids in her ministry, and she said it was because "These kids are so usable." WTF?!!?! A pastor is supposed to be of service to them, not use them!!!

    And the part where she had the whole room of them bawling their eyes out because they felt guilty for being such horrible sinners. What the hell could a nine year old have done to feel so guilty about? It's emotional manipulation, and it's sick.

    There were some funny moments though. I liked the part where she was talking about having a tiger by the tail, while she swung around a huge stuffed lion :D Guess she should have paid a little more attention to some of that "science" nonsense, hahahaha.
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  • Milhouse VanHouten
    Milhouse VanHouten Posts: 755
    hippiemom wrote:
    I watched this last weekend, and it thoroughly creeped me out. At the very beginning they asked the kid's pastor why she focused on kids in her ministry, and she said it was because "These kids are so usable." WTF?!!?! A pastor is supposed to be of service to them, not use them!!!

    using children as human props in an anti-abortion demonstration was so cute. or as ted haggard would say, "faaaaab-you-luss"!
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  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    bryanfury wrote:
    that's exactly the point, thank you. the double standard in this country is unreal.

    this stuff IS being taught in Saudi Arabia, and Pakistan, and its creating an entire new generation of "holy warriors". are we trying to do the same?

    that's pretty much what the lady who runs the camp said
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • El_Kabong
    El_Kabong Posts: 4,141
    jsand wrote:
    So they are telling the kids to be martyrs and to go out and kill others because of their religion?


    from the lady who runs the camp:

    starts talking about how in palestine they train kids, in camps, to throw hand grenades, wear bomb belts, use rifles, how to use machine guns "it's no wonder w/ that kind of intense training and discipling(sp??) that those young kids are willing to kill themselves for the cause of islam, i want to see young ppl who are as committed to the cause of jesus christ as the young ppl are for the cause of islam. i want to see them as radically laying down their lives for the gospel as they are over in pakistan, israel, palestine you know, b/c, we have, excuse me, we have the truth!"
    standin above the crowd
    he had a voice that was strong and loud and
    i swallowed his facade cos i'm so
    eager to identify with
    someone above the crowd
    someone who seemed to feel the same
    someone prepared to lead the way
  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    Total Nucking Futcases!!! I cant mean it enough...severely damaged DNA...we should shred useless people like this.... there really is no hope. It's like watching a seizure or muscle spasm play out as real life. Brainf-ck supreme.
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • RolandTD20Kdrummer
    RolandTD20Kdrummer Posts: 13,066
    RolandTD20Kdrummer wrote:
    Total Nucking Futcases!!! I cant mean it enough...severely damaged DNA...we should shred useless people like this.... there really is no hope. It's like watching a seizure or muscle spasm play out as real life. Brainf-ck supreme.

    That den mother in Jesus camp reminds me of Boyd Coddingtons first wife on American Hotrod.... dead ringer
    Progress is not made by everyone joining some new fad,
    and reveling in it's loyalty. It's made by forming coalitions
    over specific principles, goals, and policies.

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  • spiral out
    spiral out Posts: 1,052
    El_Kabong wrote:
    from the lady who runs the camp:

    starts talking about how in palestine they train kids, in camps, to throw hand grenades, wear bomb belts, use rifles, how to use machine guns "it's no wonder w/ that kind of intense training and discipling(sp??) that those young kids are willing to kill themselves for the cause of islam, i want to see young ppl who are as committed to the cause of jesus christ as the young ppl are for the cause of islam. i want to see them as radically laying down their lives for the gospel as they are over in pakistan, israel, palestine you know, b/c, we have, excuse me, we have the truth!"

    From what i've read this sort of religious fanaticism is growing more and more each day in america.

    Very scary.
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