Jesus Camp, the documentary
puremagic
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Many people send their children to bible camps no harm, no foul. This one goes a little further. What is your initial reaction to this upcoming documentary?
SIN EATERS--We take the moral excrement we find in this equation and we bury it down deep inside of us so that the rest of our case can stay pure. That is the job. We are morally indefensible and absolutely necessary.
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Is this realated to that church that locked everyone inside because they think that the end of the world is going to happen in the next couple of days?
Hail, Hail!!!
This is about the one in North Dakota. It just makes me wonder if they are trying to find the next Billy Graham or the next home grown terrorist? But, it should be interesting on how children's minds are being shaped and by whom.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_EKHK1C2IE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxJwQ63WS4Y&mode=related&search=
yes "reasonable" :rolleyes:
That doesn't help. Bible camps are a big thing and for those that believe, a good thing. When it's tampered with hate and misinformation regarding other religions and politics then are they on the same line as cult or terrorists training camps. Supposedly, Jesus died for their sins, he never asked them to die in his name.
At what point does teaching become brainwashing? and to what end?
I've been to retreats, conferences, etc. that were pretty similar and believe me, we're not training to be terrorists. That "war" that they speak of is a spiritual warfare, and I think it's an appropriate term given how faith is being attacked these days. The world is always declaring war on the faithful (as evidenced by that so-called "reasonable response") and Christians need to be prepared for that, and we must be ready to defend our faith - not through violence, but through prayer, civil disobedience, non-comformity, etc.
"It was Luke's fault" (Ed after stumbling on Soon Forget at Kitchener '05)
1. Who are the faithful?
2. In preparing for and defending a war on the faithful, what would you consider civil disobedience and non-comformity, etc. acts or actions?
I have to take issue with your last statement, though. Jesus may not have specifically asked us to die for Him (at leasy not in any particular passage that I can recall right now, though He does ask us to be willing to make sacrifices), but shouldn't any principled man be willing to die for what he believes in? People have nobly died for much less than their devotion and love to the God they worship and to whom they attribute credit for all that is good.
"It was Luke's fault" (Ed after stumbling on Soon Forget at Kitchener '05)
2. "Civil disobedience" specifically, is kind of a tough one, but I would say for example refusing take have any part in or to acknowledge gay marriages. There are also pro-life protests (as the movie showed), or pulling your kid out of class when they're teaching something that contradicts your faith, or boycotts, and then of course there is simply just asserting your faith (for example, even with something as simple as a Jesus fish on your car). Admittedly, such specific and practical strategies are not really discussed as often as they should be at these functions. I guess it's usually more just about having that mindset, and encouraging conviction in a world of apathy and subjectivism.
"It was Luke's fault" (Ed after stumbling on Soon Forget at Kitchener '05)
extremism has to start somwhere, and just think of the outcome of 30- years of thsi type of training on our youth. they then turn and teach the same to their children, and next thing you know, we live in saudi arabia, where extremists control everything.
this type of camp has to be shut down now!
why is Bush not interested in stemming this type of fundamentalism?
because these type of fundamentalist are the ones that put him in office.
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kind of a rhetorical question
but where is the media to call this type of bullshit? covering a football game in a city that is still in ruins?
what a joke...
The world is ending in the next couple of days???.....that so doesn't work with my schedule......can we push ot back a few thousand years?
I just got a haircut & a car wash yesterday!....would really suck if both went to waste!....not to mention all of the unused giftcards!
-Bill Hicks
I know...
and... "the next couple of days"... was a couple of weeks ago. I'm guessing the inside of that church is smeeling kinda ripe, these days.
Hail, Hail!!!
You're faith is between you and "god"...nothing else needs to be involved..the second you let an outside force, whatever it may be, get involved, then god is no longer involved, it becomes human v human.
To play Devils advocate here, what if the military outfits rub-off on the kids, and they then use military tactics to "spread the word"?
Weren't the Branch Dividians an off-shoot of some Christian Church?
Hail, Hail!!!
-Bill Hicks
Yes. The Branch Davidians posed no threat other than an imaginary one to the government. The Davidians were attacked, they didn't attack anyone themselves. They did surprisingly little to warrant a governmental attack from tanks.
-Bill Hicks
I don't think anyone equates these 'Jesus Camps' with the Al Qaeda camps of Afghanistan under Taliban rule... but, I can see the sense of paranoia leading to the feeling of fear of outsiders resulting the arming of themselves.
It has slipped down that slope before and it can happen again.. if we fail the learn the lessons history is trying to teach us.
Hail, Hail!!!
You're right, and it's a good point. However, an earlier post questioned why the president wouldn't address this. To me, that's where the criticism gets sketchy.
-Bill Hicks
"It was Luke's fault" (Ed after stumbling on Soon Forget at Kitchener '05)
"It was Luke's fault" (Ed after stumbling on Soon Forget at Kitchener '05)
My point is when people defend their religion; subconsciously it's a selfish act, it's personal and has nothing to do with "god" at that point.
"It was Luke's fault" (Ed after stumbling on Soon Forget at Kitchener '05)
People running the camp can (and will) go to hell.
that's a fairly bold statement.
People are people should why should it be.....or something like that.
Thanks, eh!