Can someone please clear something up for me. When using the word 'God', what do you mean?
Not sure I'm the best person to answer this Byrnzie, I'm pretty tired and feeling fairly overwhelmed by some of the threads that have gone on here today but however you asked so here's my humble opinion. God is whatever spiritual being of the highest state that you hold above all else. Or not as the case may be.;)
Can someone please clear something up for me. When using the word 'God', what do you mean?
Yeah, we'll find someone to represent us all and to put forth the definition. That oughtta clear things up for you ?!!
I like what Jeanie said. I see it a little differently though. I don't see God as a being. I see God as the all pervasive consciousness and ground state that supports everything and that is far beyond everything. I perceive this Loving intelligence in all things and beyond.
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
Yeah, we'll find someone to represent us all and to put forth the definition. That oughtta clear things up for you ?!!
I like what Jeanie said. I see it a little differently though. I don't see God as a being. I see God as the all pervasive consciousness and ground state that supports everything and that is far beyond everything. I perceive this Loving intelligence in all things and beyond.
Yep, that's pretty good too! I did mention I was tired, right?
Yep, that's pretty good too! I did mention I was tired, right?
I do relate to the Beingness of God, too. so just to clarify, I just meant I don't see God as separate from anything that exists; but yet separate at the same time. (oops, I'm complicating things, not clarifying!) Also, I relate to God and the spiritual dimension of life as having active intelligence and to interact with it consciously, it sure feels like a separate being.
I think it's myself who's tired!
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I do relate to the Beingness of God, too. so just to clarify, I just meant I don't see God as separate from anything that exists; but yet separate at the same time. (oops, I'm complicating things, not clarifying!) Also, I relate to God and the spiritual dimension of life as having active intelligence and to interact with it consciously, it sure feels like a separate being.
I think it's myself who's tired!
OUCH! Angelica, that hurt!!!;) I'm sorry but I feel like I'm sitting at the airport now and everything is flying over my head!
You hurt? Imagine the pain and hurt I experienced in coming to such conclusions! It was NOT easy!
LOL!!!!!! So here we both are, sitting about with mush for brains! Some days I can get right into the swing of things here and feel like I'm making a valid contribution and other days I read back over some of the stuff I've said and I feel like such a dick I want to crawl under the doona and hide!! I think it's all a bit beyond me at nearly 3am.
LOL!!!!!! So here we both are, sitting about with mush for brains! Some days I can get right into the swing of things here and feel like I'm making a valid contribution and other days I read back over some of the stuff I've said and I feel like such a dick I want to crawl under the doona and hide!! I think it's all a bit beyond me at nearly 3 a.m.
I'm totally with you! and Yikes! I can see why you're tired at 3 a.m!
"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth." ~ Niels Bohr
I'm totally with you! and Yikes! I can see why you're tired at 3 a.m!
Yeah I got a bunch of PM's that I felt I should answer and some of the threads today have been really difficult concepts to grasp so I've waded through them and thrown in the odd response but it's been mostly all reading which is pretty time consuming. Might have to go to bed soon though.
Yea, though you may walk through the shadow of death, you fear no evil, for Jerry Falwell is in Virginia.
Yeah I guess I may be a Secularist..
I honestly just live in the moment and just laugh at all the arguments there is in the world today..
I believe in being a "Good" person...just helping people, helping myself and doing good to society..There is too much hatred these days over petty things and wars over religion...I just shake my head and turn around and think to myself "Man...why can't people just chill out and enjoy life"..lol..
Ah well..maybe I'm just too easy going and happy on how I live my life..
I just believe in the right to chose on anything..if you like it...do it..if you don't...don't do it.. as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else..
simple as that..people make things more diffucult than what they really should...
Anyways...I know people will say that If I'm not religious I will go to Hell or whatever...I say..think what you think..I'm going where I wanna !...LOL...
i mean that usually the get their sense of morality from inside them. for instance. Ask a theist why is murder wrong and they say it's wrong for 2 reasons they feel it is wrong and the structure from which they form their morals says it's wrong (external validation). An atheist may say, murder is wrong b/c "I" feel it is wrong. So maybe internal may have been a better phrase than self centered.
I do relate to the Beingness of God, too. so just to clarify, I just meant I don't see God as separate from anything that exists; but yet separate at the same time. (oops, I'm complicating things, not clarifying!) Also, I relate to God and the spiritual dimension of life as having active intelligence and to interact with it consciously, it sure feels like a separate being.
I think it's myself who's tired!
good post. i read somewhere that humans use only 10% of their brain. after death you get all 100%. so God really is everywhere; inside each of us. things like asteral projection and other great mysteries of the mind are within this catagory. for example; my daughter is 1650 miles away yet i call my son-in-law and tell him when she's hurt or in trouble. several times i've called to tell him to call her at work because something is wrong. i called her from holiday in mexico to tell her she was pregnant. you can't explain this without God.
good post. i read somewhere that humans use only 10% of their brain. after death you get all 100%.
Huh? A reliable source?
so God really is everywhere; inside each of us. things like asteral projection and other great mysteries of the mind are within this catagory. for example; my daughter is 1650 miles away yet i call my son-in-law and tell him when she's hurt or in trouble. several times i've called to tell him to call her at work because something is wrong. i called her from holiday in mexico to tell her she was pregnant. you can't explain this without God.
good post. i read somewhere that humans use only 10% of their brain. after death you get all 100%.
I missed this.
This could be a whole thread in it's self. Humans use 100% of their brains, but are only aware of 10% of its use.
For example, heart beating, nerve signals, breathing. 90% of what we do is subconscious, only 10% is conscious.
So, more accurately would be to say "Humans are only aware of 10% of their brain."
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
This could be a whole thread in it's self. Humans use 100% of their brains, but are only aware of 10% of its use.
For example, heart beating, nerve signals, breathing. 90% of what we do is subconscious, only 10% is conscious.
So, more accurately would be to say "Humans are only aware of 10% of their brain."
I think that this is pretty close. It's not like we are harbouring untapped telepathic powers or anything in this supposed unused 90% of the brain. I think that the 90% number is more of a capacity to learn thing. Most of us have the ability to learn things until the day we die, but few of us actually do that. We get pigeon-holed into families, religions, careers, hobbies, etc. (not that any of those are bad things) but once we hit our stride, most of us rarely branch out of our familiarity.
As for the original question of morality, I would argue that an athiest's morals are more real than morals derrived from religion. I would consider myself an athiest (or at least agnostic) and I would put the way that I treat people up against anybody. Actually, I think morals have more to do with your parents than religion (or lack thereof) anyway. I have met both religious people and athiests who were great people. I have also met religious people and athiest who were scum. That's life I guess.
1/12/1879, 4/8/1156, 2/6/1977, who gives a shit, ...
I think that this is pretty close. It's not like we are harbouring untapped telepathic powers or anything in this supposed unused 90% of the brain. I think that the 90% number is more of a capacity to learn thing. Most of us have the ability to learn things until the day we die, but few of us actually do that. We get pigeon-holed into families, religions, careers, hobbies, etc. (not that any of those are bad things) but once we hit our stride, most of us rarely branch out of our familiarity.
Well yea, we need unused portions of our brains to store information.
But what I mean was that we use 100% of it's functionality as you said.
Each and every sub-cortical area in the brain accounts for something we do. I always believed there to be like one little area of the brain we used, like one square centimeter. Then I started watching lectures on neuroscience and nope, we use all of it.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Humans are always thinking from conscious perspective. So to us it may seem as if we only use 1/10th of our brains, because we are only aware of 1/10th. However, that's simply because we are looking at it from a conscious perspective. If we considered our "selfs" to be the entirety of our conscious and unconscious activity, then we use 100% of our brain functionality.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
i know i use 100% of my brain. otherwise, my head wouldn't hurt so much.
Umm, I don't think your brain should hurt just from use.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
sure it should. if it didn't, how would i know i was there?
Seriously though. I use my brain all the time and it doesn't hurt.
The only time my brain hurts is when it's starving for oxygen or hydration.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Seriously catefrancis. Pain is to tell you something is wrong. No one should be getting headaches very often. It scares me that people accept headaches as a normal part of life and stress. We shouldn't get headaches all the time. High blood pressure, brain tumors, low oxygen to the brain, dehydration, malnutrition. I don't know what causes headaches, but I have a hard time believing it's just from using your brain.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
Seriously though. I use my brain all the time and it doesn't hurt.
The only time my brain hurts is when it's starving for oxygen or hydration.
oh ahnimus. did you not see the big big smilie faces?
i know my head shouldn't hurt just from use. but the fact of the matter is my head does hurt. it hurts more than it should. usually it is from stress. sometimes from dehydration. other times from cigarette smells and perfume. i have found the codeine family to be very helpful in relieving the pain.
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Seriously catefrancis. Pain is to tell you something is wrong. No one should be getting headaches very often. It scares me that people accept headaches as a normal part of life and stress. We shouldn't get headaches all the time. High blood pressure, brain tumors, low oxygen to the brain, dehydration, malnutrition. I don't know what causes headaches, but I have a hard time believing it's just from using your brain.
let's not get into a big medical discussion here. if there is something wrong that can only be helped with drugs then i don't want to know. i don't want my brain working any differently than it does now. i like it just the way it is thank you. except for the headaches of course.
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let's not get into a big medical discussion here. if there is something wrong that can only be helped with drugs then i don't want to know. i don't want my brain working any differently than it does now. i like it just the way it is thank you. except for the headaches of course.
Except that, painkillers like Tylenol and Aspirin only eliminate the symptoms, not the problem.
I necessarily have the passion for writing this, and you have the passion for condemning me; both of us are equally fools, equally the toys of destiny. Your nature is to do harm, mine is to love truth, and to make it public in spite of you. - Voltaire
No, atheists don't have any morals. We have no way of telling right from wrong. People must have a book of rules and strange stories telling them what they should and shouldn't do.
ROFL!
seriously though, i am an atheist, and i would be pretty pissed if i couldnt do something because of that. yet, if some person incorporated with a religion was banned from something because of that, you would have a lawsuit on your hands.
i hate when people say religion promotes peace.if so, than what was the holocaust about? or this war today(among other reasons)?
they call them fingers, but i never see them fing. oh, there they go
except painkillers like tylenol and aspirin don't work on me.
Oh shit, have you been in for a CT Scan at all?
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Not sure I'm the best person to answer this Byrnzie, I'm pretty tired and feeling fairly overwhelmed by some of the threads that have gone on here today but however you asked so here's my humble opinion. God is whatever spiritual being of the highest state that you hold above all else. Or not as the case may be.;)
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I like what Jeanie said. I see it a little differently though. I don't see God as a being. I see God as the all pervasive consciousness and ground state that supports everything and that is far beyond everything. I perceive this Loving intelligence in all things and beyond.
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
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Yep, that's pretty good too!
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Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
I do relate to the Beingness of God, too. so just to clarify, I just meant I don't see God as separate from anything that exists; but yet separate at the same time. (oops, I'm complicating things, not clarifying!) Also, I relate to God and the spiritual dimension of life as having active intelligence and to interact with it consciously, it sure feels like a separate being.
I think it's myself who's tired!
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OUCH! Angelica, that hurt!!!;) I'm sorry but I feel like I'm sitting at the airport now and everything is flying over my head!
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LOL!!!!!! So here we both are, sitting about with mush for brains!
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
http://www.myspace.com/illuminatta
Rhinocerous Surprise '08!!!
Yeah I got a bunch of PM's that I felt I should answer and some of the threads today have been really difficult concepts to grasp so I've waded through them and thrown in the odd response but it's been mostly all reading which is pretty time consuming. Might have to go to bed soon though.
*~You're IT Bert!~*
Hold on to the thread
The currents will shift
Yeah I guess I may be a Secularist..
I honestly just live in the moment and just laugh at all the arguments there is in the world today..
I believe in being a "Good" person...just helping people, helping myself and doing good to society..There is too much hatred these days over petty things and wars over religion...I just shake my head and turn around and think to myself "Man...why can't people just chill out and enjoy life"..lol..
Ah well..maybe I'm just too easy going and happy on how I live my life..
I just believe in the right to chose on anything..if you like it...do it..if you don't...don't do it.. as long as it doesn't hurt anyone else..
simple as that..people make things more diffucult than what they really should...
Anyways...I know people will say that If I'm not religious I will go to Hell or whatever...I say..think what you think..I'm going where I wanna !...LOL...
Take care all and chill out !...
MERRY XMAS !!!!!!!
This I can agree with.
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Yep...I agree with you ! it's sometimes called brainwashing...lol
good post. i read somewhere that humans use only 10% of their brain. after death you get all 100%. so God really is everywhere; inside each of us. things like asteral projection and other great mysteries of the mind are within this catagory. for example; my daughter is 1650 miles away yet i call my son-in-law and tell him when she's hurt or in trouble. several times i've called to tell him to call her at work because something is wrong. i called her from holiday in mexico to tell her she was pregnant. you can't explain this without God.
Huh? A reliable source?
Can't you?
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I missed this.
This could be a whole thread in it's self. Humans use 100% of their brains, but are only aware of 10% of its use.
For example, heart beating, nerve signals, breathing. 90% of what we do is subconscious, only 10% is conscious.
So, more accurately would be to say "Humans are only aware of 10% of their brain."
I think that this is pretty close. It's not like we are harbouring untapped telepathic powers or anything in this supposed unused 90% of the brain. I think that the 90% number is more of a capacity to learn thing. Most of us have the ability to learn things until the day we die, but few of us actually do that. We get pigeon-holed into families, religions, careers, hobbies, etc. (not that any of those are bad things) but once we hit our stride, most of us rarely branch out of our familiarity.
As for the original question of morality, I would argue that an athiest's morals are more real than morals derrived from religion. I would consider myself an athiest (or at least agnostic) and I would put the way that I treat people up against anybody. Actually, I think morals have more to do with your parents than religion (or lack thereof) anyway. I have met both religious people and athiests who were great people. I have also met religious people and athiest who were scum. That's life I guess.
Well yea, we need unused portions of our brains to store information.
But what I mean was that we use 100% of it's functionality as you said.
Each and every sub-cortical area in the brain accounts for something we do. I always believed there to be like one little area of the brain we used, like one square centimeter. Then I started watching lectures on neuroscience and nope, we use all of it.
Humans are always thinking from conscious perspective. So to us it may seem as if we only use 1/10th of our brains, because we are only aware of 1/10th. However, that's simply because we are looking at it from a conscious perspective. If we considered our "selfs" to be the entirety of our conscious and unconscious activity, then we use 100% of our brain functionality.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Umm, I don't think your brain should hurt just from use.
sure it should. if it didn't, how would i know it was there?
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Seriously though. I use my brain all the time and it doesn't hurt.
The only time my brain hurts is when it's starving for oxygen or hydration.
oh ahnimus. did you not see the big big smilie faces?
i know my head shouldn't hurt just from use. but the fact of the matter is my head does hurt. it hurts more than it should. usually it is from stress. sometimes from dehydration. other times from cigarette smells and perfume. i have found the codeine family to be very helpful in relieving the pain.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
let's not get into a big medical discussion here. if there is something wrong that can only be helped with drugs then i don't want to know. i don't want my brain working any differently than it does now. i like it just the way it is thank you. except for the headaches of course.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Except that, painkillers like Tylenol and Aspirin only eliminate the symptoms, not the problem.
seriously though, i am an atheist, and i would be pretty pissed if i couldnt do something because of that. yet, if some person incorporated with a religion was banned from something because of that, you would have a lawsuit on your hands.
i hate when people say religion promotes peace.if so, than what was the holocaust about? or this war today(among other reasons)?
except painkillers like tylenol and aspirin don't work on me.
take a good look
this could be the day
hold my hand
lie beside me
i just need to say
Oh shit, have you been in for a CT Scan at all?