Do atheists have morals?

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  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    PJPOWER wrote:
    EVERYONE has their own set of morals and values regardless of what society they live in, their culture, and their religion or their lack there of. People who are religious would probably have a different moral outlook on issues such as gay marriage, abortion, drugs, and anything else that their particular religion deams "right or wrong" than an athiest who bases their morals off their own personal logic. Religious people also have logic, though, although they believe that logic can be defied by a higher power. A person that bases their whole opinion off logic will never win an argument with someone who believes logic can be defied by a higher power, and vise versa. Unethnical would be a religious person trying to logically debate the existance vs. non-existance of a higher power just as it would be unethnical for an athiest to pray for an answer to a debate. It is pointless for people believing in a higher power to argue with an athiest because there will always be that 1 major informal fallacy with that 1 seperate truth in the minds of both parties........

    i like your first sentence. also.. not all atheist are the same...like any other ''group''.
  • ecd1973
    ecd1973 Posts: 30
    flywallyfly wrote:
    I take my moral code from the teachings of Jobu. Hats for bats is rule number one. Gotta run, Jobu needs a refill of rum.

    Unless you need to hit a curveball...
    A little nonsense now and then is relished by the wisest men.

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  • harmless_little_f***
    harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    Restless Soul wrote:
    Your analogy is a bit off I'm afraid! I mean, are you equating “wings” with “god” somehow? What is the connection? Wings are not something a penguin has to believe in, its just there, physically, whether they use it or not. Can’t say the same about God though can you? There is no proof that he/she/it even exists, physically or otherwise!

    The question was whether we needed to have God in order to have morals. A penguin does not need to have functional wings in order to be a bird. Would it be an advantage to the penguin if it could fly? Its survived pretty well without the need to. And so too half of the world's human population, without God. The question was not whether one can prove God exists, but whether, even if he DID exist, we would need him in order to be moralistic. And the answer is no.

    Anyway, I don't believe in bird wings.
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  • harmless_little_f***
    harmless_little_f*** Posts: 8,005
    macgyver06 wrote:
    hey harmless.... what about the atheists who do belive in god...lol..

    Woe betide them. They are all going to HELL for not adhering to their own inherent moral code!
    'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'

    - the great Sir Leo Harrison
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    harmless_little_f*** wrote:
    Woe betide them. They are all going to HELL for not adhering to their own inherent moral code!

    hell is underated
  • yosi1
    yosi1 Posts: 3,272
    PJPOWER wrote:
    Unethnical would be a religious person trying to logically debate the existance vs. non-existance of a higher power

    Why is that unethical? Religious people debate the existance of a higher power all the time?
    you couldn't swing if you were hangin' from a palm tree in a hurricane.
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    yosi wrote:
    Why is that unethical? Religious people debate the existance of a higher power all the time?

    you answered your own question, no true answer will come from it...

    unethical..

    like trying to get everyone in the world to believe in God
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    macgyver06 wrote:
    you answered your own question, no true answer will come from it...

    unethical..

    like trying to get everyone in the world to believe in God
    There's nothing unethical about stating your position on anything and attempting to back it up with facts. Who knows, maybe some day a true answer WILL come of it.
    "Nothing in the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." ~ MLK, 1963
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    macgyver06 wrote:
    you answered your own question, no true answer will come from it...

    unethical..

    like trying to get everyone in the world to believe in God

    Are you saying for someone to believe in and stand behind their beliefs, in discussion and debate, is unethical?
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  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    hippiemom wrote:
    There's nothing unethical about stating your position on anything and attempting to back it up with facts. Who knows, maybe some day a true answer WILL come of it.

    im not arguing with you, because i believe i have before.. and you have a hard time understanding the difference between fact and opinion
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    angelica wrote:
    Are you saying for someone to believe in and stand behind their beliefs, in discussion and debate, is unethical?

    what im saying is listed at the bottom of what i said :)

    lol?

    please do not analyze straight thought
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    but maybe your confusing straight morals with ethics..
  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    macgyver06 wrote:
    what im saying is listed at the bottom of what i said :)

    lol?

    please do not analyze straight thought
    I won't...when I get straight thought.
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    yosi wrote:
    Why is that unethical? Religious people debate the existance of a higher power all the time?
    Because a person that believes logic can be defied by a higher power has no legitimate reason to try and prove the existance of the higher power using a logical debate. It would end up in a conflict of beliefs. In the Christian religion, it would be blasphemous to even accept the possibility that God does not exist.............and what is the point in debating the existance of god if you are not willing to accept the possibility that God does not exist?
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    angelica wrote:
    I won't...when I get straight thought.

    it is unethical to get everyone in the whole world to BELIVE IN YOUR GOD!
  • hippiemom
    hippiemom Posts: 3,326
    macgyver06 wrote:
    it is unethical to get everyone in the whole world to BELIVE IN YOUR GOD!
    You can't do that without their consent, so how is it unethical? They have to agree to believe!

    I dislike proselytizers as much as anyone, but I wouldn't say they're unethical ... just annoying as hell.

    p.s. What did we argue about? I thought that I usually agreed with you ... maybe I'm confusing you with someone else.
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  • angelica
    angelica Posts: 6,038
    macgyver06 wrote:
    it is unethical to get everyone in the whole world to BELIVE IN YOUR GOD!
    It's not unethical to discuss your beliefs and to stand behind them, however. If I am able to persuade you to my side of a "debate" that's because you decide to agree, not because I "forced" you in any way. To imply otherwise is ascribe wayyy too much power to some people and wayy too little to others. To imagine such a power imbalance is to not recognize the equality of people.
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  • PJPOWER
    PJPOWER Posts: 6,499
    macgyver06 wrote:
    it is unethical to get everyone in the whole world to BELIVE IN YOUR GOD!
    How so, unless you use means that are against your belief to do so.............And in no way am I denying that happens all the time.
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    hippiemom wrote:
    You can't do that without their consent, so how is it unethical? They have to agree to believe!

    I dislike proselytizers as much as anyone, but I wouldn't say they're unethical ... just annoying as hell.

    p.s. What did we argue about? I thought that I usually agreed with you ... maybe I'm confusing you with someone else.

    maybe it wasnt you :)
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    PJPOWER wrote:
    How so, unless you use means that are against your belief to do so.............And in no way am I denying that happens all the time.

    people say they belive just like people say they are republicans...

    anyone can say anything..

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