Random 10c seating is a GREAT idea

gobrowns19

I agree that there should be some sort of hometown based ticket thing, not sure how it would work, but hopefully something. Like someone said, someone from California could come on his or her 10th show into Grand Rapids and get first row when that's the only show i can afford.

Or what if there was some sort of seniority based GA? Have the chairs still set up, and depending on your 10C number, you would get a color coded wristband. Low number is a brighter color, high number darker, for an example. So if you have a lower number and a brighter colored wristband, you can get in 45 minutes before the doors open and pick your 'seat' the next color gets in 30 minutes, etc. Maybe not exactly like this, but work something out with the colored wristbands somehow. This way you're fair to the seniors but while still compromising with the newer members.

Besides, it's not fair when i'm at a show 4 hours early to take in the whole scene and someone walks in during the opening act and gets a better seat.

I would love GA personally, i've only been to two shows with bigger bands with GA and i was 4th and 1st row.

I realized i explained this terribly, but in my head it looks good.

Brez

It's obviously a moot point. People who have been members since '92 don't want it, and people who joined in the past few years will. But I think maybe for one tour it would be cool. I think it's pretty reasonable for the people who have been to DOZENS of shows (at least!) and been close for every single one to let those who have only been to a few shows (or none) get the chance. Just one tour.

P.S - The hometown thing is a REALLY good idea.

cc10106

redrock wrote:

It gives them a buzz!

I bet it does! I'd love to see a show in Europe or South America! Too bad it's still a huge safety liability (see Roskilde). Most US cities they play there are nice ampitheaters, which beat the hell out of arenas IMO. Arena shows can allow for close viewing GA style tho. PJ just sounds so much better outside, as do most bands.

NeilJam

I'm all for random seating, have been for years. Why should the same people be in the first few rows show after show, year after year?

audiodave

cc10106 wrote:

I bet it does! I'd love to see a show in Europe or South America! Too bad it's still a huge safety liability (see Roskilde)

Sorry, but I do not see GA shows as a huge safety liability. If they were, they wouldn't happen on a daily basis. Sure they CAN be dangerous, but so can driving a car, or a hundred other things. I think I know which i'm more likely to die doing. What happened in 2000 was a freak accident, and accidents do happen. It doesn't mean that we're going to stop doing these things (rest assured I mean no disrespect at all, and am not claiming that what happened wasn't a tragedy). I've been to a lot of GA shows, and i've always been fine. I've been at the front for a lot of them, and i've always come out unscathed. People look after each other, and for the most part, they are perfectly safe.

I'm sorry to detract from the point of the thread, but this annoyed me.

As for the original point of the thread, i've never been to a seated PJ show so I can't comment, but as many people have pointed out, it's just a battle between new and old fans, and you're never going to please everyone. As for the argument that people should wait for their time...the "new" fans could be in the fanclub for 10, even 15 years, and they're still never going to get near the front because of those older fans digging their heels in and refusing to budge.

Being from Europe, I have no problem with the system at all. If I want to get close...I go early, and I queue. What has bothered me about the seniority seating is, I always go to shows with the same group of friends, but the way it is set up in America, I would only be able to sit with one of them, and that would seriously detract from my enjoyment of the show.

Get_Right

audiodave wrote:

Sorry, but I do not see GA shows as a huge safety liability. If they were, they wouldn't happen on a daily basis. Sure they CAN be dangerous, but so can driving a car, or a hundred other things. I think I know which i'm more likely to die doing. What happened in 2000 was a freak accident, and accidents do happen. It doesn't mean that we're going to stop doing these things (rest assured I mean no disrespect at all, and am not claiming that what happened wasn't a tragedy). I've been to a lot of GA shows, and i've always been fine. I've been at the front for a lot of them, and i've always come out unscathed. People look after each other, and for the most part, they are perfectly safe.

I'm sorry to detract from the point of the thread, but this annoyed me.

As for the original point of the thread, i've never been to a seated PJ show so I can't comment, but as many people have pointed out, it's just a battle between new and old fans, and you're never going to please everyone. As for the argument that people should wait for their time...the "new" fans could be in the fanclub for 10, even 15 years, and they're still never going to get near the front because of those older fans digging their heels in and refusing to budge.

Being from Europe, I have no problem with the system at all. If I want to get close...I go early, and I queue. What has bothered me about the seniority seating is, I always go to shows with the same group of friends, but the way it is set up in America, I would only be able to sit with one of them, and that would seriously detract from my enjoyment of the show.

GA sucks
I want to be able to get up and come back to my space
and maybe in Europe people are respectful, but not in the states

and dont even get me started about the last minute knuckleheads

JD Sal

Kel Varnsen wrote:

On the flip side random seating also gives a scalper who bought a membership a month before a tour was announced, a much better chance of having really top seats to sell, compared to a senority system.

That said I do like the idea of a "golden ticket" type situation that has been proposed before where one random set of tickets is front row seats. That way it is not enough people moving up to really push anyone back, but at the same time, everyone has a shot to be at the front.

I haven't read this whole thread, so not sure if anyone responded to your post. The 10c system virtually eliminates the majority of scalpers because you have to pick up your ticket at the venue on the day of the show and present ID to do so. Most scalpers buy up tix and resell them through agencies or on Ebay. That's not possible with the 10c system.

audiodave

Get_Right wrote:

GA sucks
I want to be able to get up and come back to my space
and maybe in Europe people are respectful, but not in the states

and dont even get me started about the last minute knuckleheads

Well thats quite bad for you guys, and I think that's a quite sad. The majority of people over here are respectful, and it is possible to leave and come back to your spot...just difficult and not recommended. But there are always a few who push their way up, and a few who get drunk and stand on you, but generally, people try to get rid of them.

If you want to drink at shows, fair enough, GA is probably not for you, but even at a seated show, I don't drink. I'm there for the music.

OmahaJammer

I'd like it to go back to the "hometown show" thing. That was super-fair.

Solat13

Get_Right wrote:

GA sucks
I want to be able to get up and come back to my space
and maybe in Europe people are respectful, but not in the states

and dont even get me started about the last minute knuckleheads

Maybe it was because it was a tiny venue, but at the Borgata in 05 people let me out of my space along the rail for both shows when I had to use the facilities or grab a beer.

Gmoney

Get_Right wrote:

Because we have been paying the membership fee longer ad patiently waiting for our time "up front."

Why would a new member be entitled to a privilege that has always been earned through years of supporting the band and the fan club?

amen. paying that fee for 15 odd years im not giving up my good seats for anyone. call me selfish, i do not care.

Its Evolution Baby

What if they did it similar to the NBA draft lottery. Have all seats be considered random but if you have been a member more then 10 years you are guaranteed at least first 5 rows. If you are a member more then 5 years you are guaranteed first 10 rows. Any newer members aren't guaranteed anything but since its random they have a chance to be real close.

The way its similar to the NBA lottery is that the teams with the worst records are not guaranteed the first pick but they can do no worse then Top 5. Same with PJ if you have a number that is under 100XXX you are guaranteed top 5 rows but not the front row.

nfanel

Solat13 wrote:

Maybe it was because it was a tiny venue, but at the Borgata in 05 people let me out of my space along the rail for both shows when I had to use the facilities or grab a beer.

not in my area... people left and i didn't see them again.

Solat13

nfanel wrote:

not in my area... people left and i didn't see them again.

That's because you were there and you draw a crowd.

I guess Mike's side was just more laid back and plus many of us were in the exact same spot both nights so we kind of bonded.

Mike pointed at me, these three great guys from Portland, this couple from New York and a couple of my friends when he came out Night 2 and said to us, Wow you guys are all back again - so that was pretty cool.

keeponrockin

Why not have every other row be random, or one side of the floor be seniority and the other side be random?

Of course, I would prefer GA. If you're hardcore enough, then yer willing to wait!

se7v7en

its a great idea. Just bc someone was a fan before someone else doesnt mean they are a bigger fan. And like the origional poster said, it will give an extra excitement to purchasing tickets

Get_Right

audiodave wrote:

Well thats quite bad for you guys, and I think that's a quite sad. The majority of people over here are respectful, and it is possible to leave and come back to your spot...just difficult and not recommended. But there are always a few who push their way up, and a few who get drunk and stand on you, but generally, people try to get rid of them.

If you want to drink at shows, fair enough, GA is probably not for you, but even at a seated show, I don't drink. I'm there for the music.

drinks, pee, merch, food, take that emergency call from home, whatever,
I dont like being forced to get in line, and then stay in one place for an entire evening while last minute drunks and knucleheads try to muscle in front

I dont want to work that hard to have a good time

decides2dream

PureandEasy wrote:

they will not change the senority of fan club tickets for PJ shows - it's been their thing all along

actually, um, no it's not....not by a long shot. unless you consider 2000 the beginning of pearl jam's career and touring? the very FIRST year of 'seniority' seating, and for ONE SHOW ONLY. 2003, first year that made the # of shows unlimited with your seniority for every show, utilizing the 'block system'....2004 VFC NO seniority, 10c/TM presale.....2005 canadian tour the FIRST year utilizing the EXACT system we have today.



can anyone tell me the monatary cost of a membership from 1991 to say 2001? i know someone once tallied up each years membership dues. pure curiosity on my part, but i know it doesn't amount to much.

loveboat captain

Get_Right wrote:

and what is your number
six digits and begins with a 3?

Its not a great idea.

Edit:
Its a great idea for any shows I dont go to!

So, I'm gathering from your argument, as well as the argument of those that support your position, that the long-time fan club members are the only long-time fans of Pearl Jam. I don't believe that's true in all cases, because I know that's not true for myself. I have only recently (well, two years ago) been financially able to devote a little bit of money yearly to 10 club, even though Pearl Jam has been my favorite band since Ten came out. I know it's only $20 a year, but when I was living paycheck to paycheck, it was $20 I didn't have. Things got considerably better for me, so I was finally able to join 10 club in '05. So I have a six digit fan club number that begins with a 3.

The mentality that 10 club membership numbers determine quality of fanhood is the same mentality that some fans have when they say that they're the most loyal fans because they've been to x number of shows. Once again, I've been a big fan for a long time, but my first show was East Rutherford 2 in '06. Total number of shows I've been to: 2. I'm not saying we should take away all the great seats from the people with the lowest numbers, but at least give me a chance...just once...to get in the first 15 rows. Then I will gladly return to the rear of the 10 club seats for each subsequent show.

audiodave

Get_Right wrote:

drinks, pee, merch, food, take that emergency call from home, whatever,
I dont like being forced to get in line, and then stay in one place for an entire evening while last minute drunks and knucleheads try to muscle in front

I dont want to work that hard to have a good time

Fair enough, if you don't enjoy it, I can respect that. But i don't consider any of it work, and usually enjoy the whole day, including the queuing aspect of it.