Random 10c seating is a GREAT idea

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  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    If there was no seniority, what would be the incentive to keep membership current in non-touring years? Just playing Devil's Advocate here.

    I mean all you'd be missing would be the newsletters and when you rejoined ten club you could request a copy of any Christmas singles in stock you missed in your absence for the cost of shipping per their current policy.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • No Fear Of Falling
    No Fear Of Falling Posts: 419
    Kel Varnsen wrote:
    My question then is, how do you prevent a scalper who only buys a membership on years when there is a tour rumor, from having access to the front row?

    What Bruce Springsteen does..

    Credit Card holder picks up tickets, get a wristband at the window.
    2004 - 10/1, 10/11
    2005 - 9/15, 9/16, 9/30, 10/1, 10/3
    2006 - 5/5, 5/12, 5/13, 5/27, 5/28, 5/30, 6/1, 6/3, 6/23, 7/22, 7/23, 12/2
    2007 - 6/27, 8/3
    2008 - 6/14, 6/19, 6/20, 6/22, 6/24, 6/25, 6/27, 6/28, 6/30, 7/1
  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,168
    josevolution wrote:
    never mind that answer the sushi ?? he he he :)


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  • pulaski
    pulaski Posts: 259
    Solat13 wrote:
    If there was no seniority, what would be the incentive to keep membership current in non-touring years? Just playing Devil's Advocate here.

    I mean all you'd be missing would be the newsletters and when you rejoined ten club you could request a copy of any Christmas singles in stock you missed in your absence for the cost of shipping per their current policy.


    getting tickets is not the only reason to keep/have your membership. and if you know your history, they play something every year. some years less than others but you never know what they are gonna pull out of their hat. so its always a good idea to keep it current
  • PureandEasy
    PureandEasy Posts: 5,818
    the only reason they're doing this for Ed's show is because it's not a PJ show and they're not going to put in the effort to try and put 200 or so tickets in seniority order

    that's the only reason

    they will not change the senority of fan club tickets for PJ shows - it's been their thing all along
    Don't come closer or I'll have to go
  • Indifference
    Indifference Posts: 2,778
    Kel Varnsen wrote:
    My question then is, how do you prevent a scalper who only buys a membership on years when there is a tour rumor, from having access to the front row?

    Well one small counter argument is you still can't pick up your tickets until a few hours before the show - where usually the market has substaniialy dropped. Usually the scalper makes his money with premium tickets such as this shopping them online or via ebay for months in advance. Also, if he is charging a high price for premium seats its likely a die hard (though one with some disposable income) that would throw done $500 or whatever for a good pair. I spent $700 for a pair 4-5 years ago - dead center - first row - 7/11/03 - some of the best money I have ever spent.

    Also, for people that say they never have good seats - travel to some remote places sometimes works......I never been within 20-25 rows of the front in Boston but my 10C # got me 3rd-6th row on the Canada tour in some of the more remote places - St. John's, Halifax, Edmonton and Calgary.

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  • uglybabo
    uglybabo Posts: 530
    Kel Varnsen wrote:
    My question then is, how do you prevent a scalper who only buys a membership on years when there is a tour rumor, from having access to the front row?

    Do what Springsteen did for the first ten rows for his shows - when you pick up the tickets at will call, they put a wristband on you; to get into the show you have to have both the ticket and the wristband.

    Even though there weren't physical tickets this is how they handled the Vic.
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    BeerBaron wrote:
    It was bad enought that if you didn't feel like pushing and fighting just to keep your feet on the ground, you couldn't stand within the first 20 or so rows of people. And if it gets worse, that just further proves my point :)
    Wimp! ;) I was second/front row. PJ shows aren't really rough compared to 'heavier' bands where there is a lot of moshing, etc. I love GA standing.
  • Solat13
    Solat13 Posts: 6,996
    pulaski wrote:
    getting tickets is not the only reason to keep/have your membership. and if you know your history, they play something every year. some years less than others but you never know what they are gonna pull out of their hat. so its always a good idea to keep it current

    Of course getting tickets is the only reason the majority of us are members. If ten club didn't supply a vehicle to get tickets the majority of members would quit.
    - Busted down the pretext
    - 8/28/98
    - 9/2/00
    - 4/28/03, 5/3/03, 7/3/03, 7/5/03, 7/6/03, 7/9/03, 7/11/03, 7/12/03, 7/14/03
    - 9/28/04, 9/29/04, 10/1/04, 10/2/04
    - 9/11/05, 9/12/05, 9/13/05, 9/30/05, 10/1/05, 10/3/05
    - 5/12/06, 5/13/06, 5/27/06, 5/28/06, 5/30/06, 6/1/06, 6/3/06, 6/23/06, 7/22/06, 7/23/06, 12/2/06, 12/9/06
    - 8/2/07, 8/5/07
    - 6/19/08, 6/20/08, 6/22/08, 6/24/08, 6/25/08, 6/27/08, 6/28/08, 6/30/08, 7/1/08
    - 8/23/09, 8/24/09, 9/21/09, 9/22/09, 10/27/09, 10/28/09, 10/30/09, 10/31/09
    - 5/15/10, 5/17/10, 5/18/10, 5/20/10, 5/21/10, 10/23/10, 10/24/10
    - 9/11/11, 9/12/11
    - 10/18/13, 10/21/13, 10/22/13, 11/30/13, 12/4/13
  • Its Evolution Baby
    Its Evolution Baby Posts: 849
    cc10106 wrote:
    GA sucks and is dangerous. If they headline ACL i'll prob skip it due to the first reason. Not to mention some people will inevitably get hurt. I think shaking things up just a little in the seating department couldn't hurt. But it needs to be done in a way to not alienate old school members, yet allow some newer members a chance to see the band from a reasonable distance. If I was used to getting to see them from 10 rows away or closer, I'd certainly be willing to take a reserved seat further back every now and then. Especially if the band was playing multiple nights in one city.

    It's not that hard to avoid commotion at GA shows. I went to Rage at Coachella with my GF last year and we were fine. We just had to move around a couple of times to find a comfortable spot.

    I personally feel seats on the floor drain the energy from the crowd because there is no room to move around. Every time I jump up I hit my friggin knee on the chair in front of me. I think i get more bruises from hitting my knees on the chair then I do in a pit. I'm also 6'3 so I need more room then the average Jammer.

    That's why my idea would call for people who don't want to be GA to be 1st row side stage. Those are often the best seats other then the first 3 rows anyways.
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  • drew0
    drew0 Posts: 943
    I think that every person should be entitled to declare 1 show where they'd like to get further up. I mean, I just kind of get annoyed at the people who aren't effected by sitting up front anymore, but they got to 5+ shows a tour, and have been for a decade now. I live in Pittsburgh - why should some dude from California get front row seats at the Pittsburgh show, when it's one of 10 shows he's seeing at that tour...but it's my first & only show?

    No matter what it is, someone is going to be unhappy. This is just a war between the old-timers, and the new-timers. The former don't want to give up their seats; the latter want to sit up front. No one is going to budge, no one is going to quit complaining.

    It just kind of annoys me that I have next to 0% chance to ever see my favorite band live from the first 5 rows. And not only that, but the same people have been sitting up front for years and take it for granted. Yeah, I can go to Lolla or 'Roo and try to get up front, but (a) it's harder and (b) it's a festival so you aren't even as close. They started doing GA shows, but those were more in Cali, if I remember right. Just give us a chance - just let us pick 1 show where we want to have our number count higher than it is, and then let us go back to sitting in the back of the Fan Club section. Or, let the hometown people sit up front.
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  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,168
    my2hands wrote:
    thats how your coming off...


    i have sat 5th row and i have sat in the lawn... both were great experiences...

    i guess people are just greedy by nature...

    Please dont misquote me.
    Why would a new member be entitled to a privilege that has always been earned through years of supporting the band and the fan club?

    I said it was an earned privilege-from that you get entitlement and greedy?
    nice try

    And yes in case you havent noticed its pretty tough to get decent seats to ANY show these days.

    Yes I am protective of the senority system. It gets me good seats to see my favorite band after paying my dues (literally and figuratively) for a long time.
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    mwilmot4 wrote:
    Do what Springsteen did for the first ten rows for his shows - when you pick up the tickets at will call, they put a wristband on you; to get into the show you have to have both the ticket and the wristband.

    Even though there weren't physical tickets this is how they handled the Vic.

    I guess the question really meant, 'how do you prevent the opportunist who only buys a membership on years when there is a tour rumor, from having access to the front row?" As opposed to the faithfull member who paid his dues for years regardless of touring or not.
  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,168
    cc10106 wrote:
    GA sucks and is dangerous. If they headline ACL i'll prob skip it due to the first reason. Not to mention some people will inevitably get hurt. I think shaking things up just a little in the seating department couldn't hurt. But it needs to be done in a way to not alienate old school members, yet allow some newER members a chance to see the band from a reasonable distance. By 'newer' i don't particularly mean people who just signed up this year. I've been a member for 5 or 6 years and have never seen them in the first 20 rows. Not that I ever had any problem with my seats, and it's not like they TOUR HERE anyway. Bastards. Anyway, if I was used to getting to see them from 10 rows away or closer, I'd certainly be willing to take a reserved seat further back every now and then. Especially if the band was playing multiple nights in one city.

    I agree, Im done with GA.
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    cc10106 wrote:
    GA sucks and is dangerous.
    GA is exciting and gives everyone an opportunity. OK, GA means that if you want to get to the front, you need to queue. Or, if you know your way around, you can still get close to the front even without queuing that much! You can also move back if need be. Obviously, the moving around is if it is GA standing. GA seating also gives everyone the same opportunity, though seating is not that fun.

    I understand there is a huge cultural difference between the US and Europe when it comes to GA and standing. I notice from a lot of threads that the Americans have their 'piss breaks' and go get beers, etc. during the shows. I understand that they would like to get back to their place after that, so I guess assigned seating is best for them!
  • Get_Right
    Get_Right Posts: 14,168
    mwilmot4 wrote:
    I still like the idea of the first two rows being random; this only moves the old-timers back 2 rows and gives everyone a chance to be up front...

    that I agree with
  • shortstack
    shortstack Posts: 2,339
    PureandEasy wrote:
    they will not change the senority of fan club tickets for PJ shows - it's been their thing all along

    *locked*
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  • SDNick484
    SDNick484 Posts: 20
    The system I'd like to see implemented for full band tours is to allow 10C members to get a pair of tickets to as many shows as they want (like they currently do), but also to be able to specify a limited set of top priority shows.

    Arrange the two groups of tickets by seniority within each group. The top priority group gets the best seats (so fans only catching say one show in their home town get a chance for decent seats), followed by the fans who don't list the show as their top priority.

    Perhaps the system could be set like you get to mark one show as top priority for every 5 shows you're attending. I'd also recommend making exceptions for certain venues (like MSG) where the number of people likely to mark it top priority would negate the value.

    The feasibility of this idea really depends on statistics of how people order (eg. do the bulk of the 10C attend X amounts of shows, and what percent of X has a member number below YYYYY). I'm sure with some thought, balance could be achieved such that even the worst top priority seat is good (and likewise the best normal priority seats are also good).

    Anyways, just my opinion. My 10C got me decent seats in the shows I attended last tour, but I have pretty much little hope of ever cracking the front row.
  • cc10106
    cc10106 Posts: 385
    Its Evolution Baby wrote:
    It's not that hard to avoid commotion at GA shows. I went to Rage at Coachella with my GF last year and we were fine. We just had to move around a couple of times to find a comfortable spot.

    I personally feel seats on the floor drain the energy from the crowd because there is no room to move around. Every time I jump up I hit my friggin knee on the chair in front of me. I think i get more bruises from hitting my knees on the chair then I do in a pit. I'm also 6'3 so I need more room then the average Jammer.

    That's why my idea would call for people who don't want to be GA to be 1st row side stage. Those are often the best seats other then the first 3 rows anyways.

    That's the thing. When I saw Ben Harper headline the last night at ACL a few years ago, there was ZERO room to move around. Need to leave to take a whiz? Haha, wrong! Don't want dirty festival goers pushing on you to get out of the way and/or trying to steal your shit (or smoke!)? You in the wrong place! Worst place to even think of starting a fight with someone that deserves a pounding, believe me. You're stuck with the hippie douche rats, just how it is. And not to mention it was one of the absolute mellowest/most boring performances I've ever seen. (Nothing against Ben, just didn't compare to his live album.) Yet everyone around me still acted like it was KISS at the Garden or some shit. Guess if I do get to see PJ at ACL, I'll wait all day to be very at the very front, or enjoy the show from farther back.

    PJ rarely even plays GA shows in the US. Europe and other countries is obviously a little different though.
  • redrock
    redrock Posts: 18,341
    cc10106 wrote:
    PJ rarely even plays GA shows in the US. Europe and other countries is obviously a little different though.
    It gives them a buzz!

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