Shocking prices no matter what way people try to dress it up or justify it. It's only serving to price out the genuine working man/woman.
I'm not sure about "The Earthlings" either if I'm honest. I love watching EV solo shows 'cos they're different to those with the band, being just Ed & his guitar/ukelele & a bit of Glen Hansard thrown in but that's just personal choice.
Anyhow, pay those prices if you wish, but I for one won't out of principle. A priniciple this band once had but seemed to abandon some years ago.
There is no doubt the ticket pricing was a shock. More expensive to see Ed and The Earthlings than PJ... Out of excitement, I went for the two NY shows and the one NJ show... would have cost me $1400 for all three (two tickets per show) then I said that is f'ing crazy so I went down to two - still would have been $900+, so now I am down to one.... The point is - for a band we all followed forever, they've always been against pricing out the fan because they want to maintain their audiences, their true audiences....
This comes across as gauging and doing exactly what they've fought against for all of these years... Is what it is - things change.
Would the calculation change if ticket resale wasn’t so restricted?
No doubt you could have put in for the extra show and if you didn’t want to go you could have paid for the one you do go to by selling the other
I tend to think not being able to subsidise the shows people are actually going to is part of the frustration not just the ticket prices.
it’s a lot of money for a show no doubt but it’s also not in doubt that those tickets are worth much more than the face value
i tend to be of the opinion that bands can charge what they want but a ticket holder has that same right. Otherwise it’s just inconsistent capitalism. The expectation that the fan has more of the responsibility to be “fair” than the band is insane
This is probably the best point in this whole thread.
Everyone will jump on me b/c your all psychos. No one can objectively criticize the "boys", even if you are a huge fan like myself. Bear with me though as we go back in history:
Almost 300% mark-up in 8 years. Quite the inflation with ticket prices don't you think. Guess Ed needs the money for his Hawaiian vacations and super model girlfriend. I am able to afford these skyrocketing prices, I am a nurse and my wife is a physical therapist, but maybe some other fans are having a hard time paying these "Rolling Stone" type prices. So let the shit begin. If anyone has a opinion against the "jamily" flow, they are ostracized. That is why when I need a good laugh, I read this message pit b/c most on here need to get in touch with reality. See you in Hartford bitches!
We've done this thread already.
First, welcome to 2008.
Inflation, economy sucks right now, gas prices, touring expenses, etc..
Smaller tour = more money to put on.
All that stuff, enjoy the show.
Also, Ed doesn't need our money to take his family to Hawaii, that's just being ignorant to say that.
and... Rolling Stones cost much, much more than Pearl Jam.
And? The Rolling Stones earned it. Mick Jagger was singing satisfaction when Ed was pissin’ and shittin’ his diapers. Literally.
Earned what? The right to basically be a novelty act like a large scale Kool and the Gang?
I mean no more than the Pearl Jam.. “ahhh we won’t play properly sized venues cuz we’re so true to the intimate experience “ crap… every band has done stadium tours that had the ability to do so… the Beatles, Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd, U2, the Eagles, Springsteen… and yes, the Stones. That’s their gimmick and you can see it in the high prices of the current “Ed and friends” tour.
Ticket prices are usually based on the performance fee requested by an artist's agent. The higher the fee demanded by the aritst, the higher the ticket price.
Betting if EV didn't tap Chad Smith, Pino Palladino, Glen, etc for his backing band the prices would be ~$50 cheaper. Small venues and a short cross-country tour needs to be worth it for all of them, not just EV.
Well, Pino is out for the upcoming dates. That saved about 10 usd.
I saw Eddie in Europe in 2019, tickets were around 150€, the most I have ever paid for a concert. For the sake of comparison, I saw Billy Corgan the same month for 45€ in a 1000 cap venue.
Pricing is in the hand of the artist or in the hand of the management company that has been chosen by the artist.
Eddie can obviously charge whatever he wants but fans can obviously consider the pricing as outrageous as they feel.
I frankly think that this is all a lot less predatory than some of y'all are claiming. There has to be substantial market research done to determine prices like this. At what point are you pricing out low-level scalpers so that legitimate fans who really want to go can more easily get a ticket without paying secondary market prices while also ensuring that the band gets paid at what's been determined to be fair market value for their performance as opposed to all that additional cash going to scalpers who have never worked an honest day in their lives or are just trying to increase their funds to buy up even more Pearl Jam tickets? Pearl Jam tickets are scalped for hundreds of dollars a pop in major metropolitan areas. $250 to see Eddie Vedder in a small cap venue in a place like New York seems about right to me. It unfortunately prices out a lot of fans as well. But if it's worth it to you, then you know what it's going to cost next time and can try to plan for it. Let's be real also...seeing EV solo is nowhere near as good as seeing the band.
I frankly think that this is all a lot less predatory than some of y'all are claiming. There has to be substantial market research done to determine prices like this. At what point are you pricing out low-level scalpers so that legitimate fans who really want to go can more easily get a ticket without paying secondary market prices while also ensuring that the band gets paid at what's been determined to be fair market value for their performance as opposed to all that additional cash going to scalpers who have never worked an honest day in their lives or are just trying to increase their funds to buy up even more Pearl Jam tickets? Pearl Jam tickets are scalped for hundreds of dollars a pop in major metropolitan areas. $250 to see Eddie Vedder in a small cap venue in a place like New York seems about right to me. It unfortunately prices out a lot of fans as well. But if it's worth it to you, then you know what it's going to cost next time and can try to plan for it. Let's be real also...seeing EV solo is nowhere near as good as seeing the band.
F2F and non transferable tickets are supposed to cut out the scalpers (in the markets that allow it).
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So the folks in this thread and the other exact same thread about Capitalism sucking because...tickets, will be going into work on Monday and letting their employers know that market value for their work is just a dumb idea and that they'd like to be paid what the employer feels is fair? Even if it's way below the market value and industry standard? Of course they won't. It's an argument of convenience that fits whatever made up narrative people are trying to create. We'd all love 200 shows a year, in our preferred venue type, within walking distance of our home, with exclusive seating on the rail for us in perpetuity, while the band manages an endless supply or posters and merch that are available for preorder, while they pay all staff a full living wage with benefits and stick it to the man. If we could just get all of that for say, I dunno...free or at most $50? Seems both realistic and fair. Where can I sign the "Official Petition to.."
1993 - Toronto 1996 - Toronto 1998 - Barrie 2000 - Toronto 2003 - Buffalo, Toronto 2005 - Hamilton, Toronto 2006 - Toronto I, Toronto II 2008 - EV solo Toronto I 2010 - Buffalo, Newark 2011 - Toronto I, Toronto II, Hamilton 2013 - London, Chicago, Buffalo, Brooklyn I, Brooklyn II, Philadelphia I, Philadelphia II 2014 - Detroit 2016 - Philadelphia I, Philadelphia II, New York I, New York II, Ottawa, Toronto I, Toronto II, Chicago I, Chicago II 2018 - Boston I, Boston II
The rail in perpetuity seems like more work than I'm willing to put in. Sweaty, drunks pushing and kicking you non-stop. I like the idea of them playing within walking distance of my house. But, again, the associated vehicle traffic would overcomplicate my life. 200 shows is also a lot. Maybe, like 50? Every Friday of Saturday night seems about right. Then I could go if I want to, or skip a week if I wanted to go out of town. $50 seems fair. But I'd pay $100. Oh, also, prefer an outdoor venue most of the time. But I'd be fine with them moving inside if the weather is bad. I think that covers it. I don't really need any more merch.
If you don't want to pay the price, don't enter for tickets, simple as that. You have no right to argue with those who choose to pay that price. As far as the artist charging that price, it's economics, supply and demand. The demand is there, the supply is limited, hence they can charge what they want. Not saying I agree with these prices, but as long as there are those who are willing to pay . . .
Yeah these ticket prices are way too high, nobody wants them.
as long as there is a gap between what people (however many seats a particular venue holds) are willing to pay and the face value of a ticket this happens.
if a market is in equilibrium 2000 seats would be readily available to the 2000 people who want to buy tickets to that show. Sure it prices out most but that’s how an efficient market is supposed to work with a high demand and a limited quantity.
Tickets can’t be both too expensive and too hard to get at the same time. They can either be too cheap and thus hard to find or too expensive and readily available.
tickets were sold to the show well below market value. Fact. They clearly could have made even more money but chose not to. I have no idea why, it’s not like they get any goodwill for charging below market. It’s a lose lose for them no matter what they do. Charge even less and there are less price complaints but astronomically more “I can’t get tickets” complaints as even more people just got priced into the lottery.
Do we want a chance to actually get tickets or do we want them so cheap you’ll never have a chance to get selected? The price is directly related to that
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I'm not sure about "The Earthlings" either if I'm honest. I love watching EV solo shows 'cos they're different to those with the band, being just Ed & his guitar/ukelele & a bit of Glen Hansard thrown in but that's just personal choice.
Anyhow, pay those prices if you wish, but I for one won't out of principle. A priniciple this band once had but seemed to abandon some years ago.
unless the value judgement is comparing seeing him to seeing Aladdin. Hardly seems fair
There are no kings inside the gates of eden
For the sake of comparison, I saw Billy Corgan the same month for 45€ in a 1000 cap venue.
2014 : Amsterdam 1&2, Milan, Berlin, Werchter
2018 : Amsterdam 1&2, Pinkpop, London 1, Berlin, Werchter, London 2
2020 : ?
1996 - Toronto
1998 - Barrie
2000 - Toronto
2003 - Buffalo, Toronto
2005 - Hamilton, Toronto
2006 - Toronto I, Toronto II
2008 - EV solo Toronto I
2010 - Buffalo, Newark
2011 - Toronto I, Toronto II, Hamilton
2013 - London, Chicago, Buffalo, Brooklyn I, Brooklyn II, Philadelphia I, Philadelphia II
2014 - Detroit
2016 - Philadelphia I, Philadelphia II, New York I, New York II, Ottawa, Toronto I, Toronto II, Chicago I, Chicago II
2018 - Boston I, Boston II
”It was at this moment when they finally learned that 10c tickets are now under the full control of Ticketmaster”
if a market is in equilibrium 2000 seats would be readily available to the 2000 people who want to buy tickets to that show. Sure it prices out most but that’s how an efficient market is supposed to work with a high demand and a limited quantity.
tickets were sold to the show well below market value. Fact. They clearly could have made even more money but chose not to. I have no idea why, it’s not like they get any goodwill for charging below market. It’s a lose lose for them no matter what they do. Charge even less and there are less price complaints but astronomically more “I can’t get tickets” complaints as even more people just got priced into the lottery.
pick one, not both