the problem with a bunch of new bands

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  • GreenTeaDisease
    GreenTeaDisease Posts: 3,359
    facepollution wrote:
    Are you familiar with the Twilight Singers Greenteadisease? Their last album Powder Burns is immense, check it out:
    http://media.putfile.com/Theres-Been-An-Accident


    thanks.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    GreenTeaDisease wrote:
    that sounds...really...bad :).

    i only meant it in the sense that they've gone beyond pure bubblegum pop to play some great bluesy rock music that still has those great pop harmony vocals. maybe a better descriptor would be a more fun and energetic csny.

    regardless, call it consumerism if you will, but you seem like a person who needs to stay active all the time. not the type to just sit and burn a joint and chill out for an hour and do or think nothing. that's what the new indie is about. maybe introspection has different connotations for you, but to me it is more akin to sustained, mellow self reflection. deep, peaceful thinkers. the melancholy irish concept of poets and thinkers. or zen buddhism. whatever you wanna call it. it's not layne staley's self-loathing which is still tinged with anger and rage. it's like comparing shawshank redemption to requiem for a dream. shawshank is phenomenal but it's very melancholy and methodically paced, while requiem is almost sickening in its gut-level impact. indie music is not for sudden jolts of energy or quick fixes of emotion. it's for long, sustained reflection. meditative.
  • GreenTeaDisease
    GreenTeaDisease Posts: 3,359
    soulsinging wrote:
    i only meant it in the sense that they've gone beyond pure bubblegum pop to play some great bluesy rock music that still has those great pop harmony vocals. maybe a better descriptor would be a more fun and energetic csny.

    regardless, call it consumerism if you will, but you seem like a person who needs to stay active all the time. not the type to just sit and burn a joint and chill out for an hour and do or think nothing. that's what the new indie is about. sustained, mellow self reflection. deep thinkers. whatever you wanna call it. it's not layne staley's self-loathing which is still tinged with anger. it's like comparing shawshank redemption to requiem for a dream. shawshank is phenomenal but it's very melancholy and methodically paced, while requiem is almost sickening in its gut-level reaction. indie music is not for sudden jolts of energy or quick fixes of emotion. it's for long, sustained reflection. meditative.

    burning a joint? lol, are you like 12? :)

    I don't know how that music can make you "reflect" on anything. the lyrics are meaningless, I swear most of them have GOT to be about experiences one has while shopping at the galleria...and it's not about the tempo of the music, soulsinging...it's about actually having a key change...or a freaking CHORD change in some of these song...a bridge...a tempo change...anything. If I want white noise, I'll listen to the dish washer. It's about the same.

    Actually in all seriousness, I see a lot of this new rock as EXTREMELY similar to electronic dance music, with the formulaic nature of 80s hair metal.
  • DaytimeDilemma
    DaytimeDilemma Posts: 2,008
    GreenTeaDisease wrote:
    As long as it doesn't sound anything like Architecture in Helsinki. My god, that shit is like painful to listen to. Nails on a chalkboard.

    but you're seriously saying that no rock bands should ever play guitar again? I mean that's crazy talk. There's been plenty of new sounds coming out of guitars over the course of rock history. It's about the overall sound, not the progression of power chords.


    Please quote where I said they rock bands shouldn't play guitar?


    Oh right, i didn't


    I'm saying that I would really, really like to see PJ do something completely different on their next one. S/T was OK, but some of the songs are very derivative of their older stuff...not to mention extremely simple guitar lines. You can play guitar and be experimental*.
  • GreenTeaDisease
    GreenTeaDisease Posts: 3,359
    DaytimeDilemma wrote:
    I'm saying that I would really, really like to see PJ do something completely different on their next one. S/T was OK, but some of the songs are very derivative of their older stuff...not to mention extremely simple guitar lines. You can play guitar and be experimental*.

    well I agree, however, one must make sure not to change at the expense of musicianship.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    GreenTeaDisease wrote:
    burning a joint? lol, are you like 12? :)

    I don't know how that music can make you "reflect" on anything. the lyrics are meaningless, I swear most of them have GOT to be about experiences one has while shopping at the galleria...and it's not about the tempo of the music, soulsinging...it's about actually having a key change...or a freaking CHORD change in some of these song...a bridge...a tempo change...anything. If I want white noise, I'll listen to the dish washer. It's about the same.

    Actually in all seriousness, I see a lot of this new rock as EXTREMELY similar to electronic dance music, with the formulaic nature of 80s hair metal.

    ah, the old age knock. are you like a 45-year old mom... obsessing about nothing but your figure and how music was better in your day and drug users are immature? for the record, i don't smoke. but i do understand the concept of chilling out, something i doubt you've done a single day in your life.

    and most of the lyrics of soundgarden and nirvana are complete gibberish too. hell, kurt cobain flat out admitted most of his lyrics dont mean a damn thing, he just took scraps of poems he'd written and pasted them together as needed. it's on their dvd. but oh yeah, they get a "cool pass" becos they were hip when you were a teen and thus automatically superior, like your child of the 80s nostalgia for lame hair metal and annoying 80s music.

    if you dont dig it, that's your thing. but it doesn't mean it's no good or has no passion. just that you feel that music has to have x, y, and z to be passionate or good, which is ridiculous.
  • GreenTeaDisease
    GreenTeaDisease Posts: 3,359
    soulsinging wrote:
    ah, the old age knock. are you like a 45-year old mom... obsessing about nothing but your figure and how music was better in your day and drug users are immature? for the record, i don't smoke. but i do understand the concept of chilling out, something i doubt you've done a single day in your life.

    and most of the lyrics of soundgarden and nirvana are complete gibberish too. hell, kurt cobain flat out admitted most of his lyrics dont mean a damn thing, he just took scraps of poems he'd written and pasted them together as needed. it's on their dvd. but oh yeah, they get a "cool pass" becos they were hip when you were a teen and thus automatically superior, like your child of the 80s nostalgia for lame hair metal and annoying 80s music.

    if you dont dig it, that's your thing. but it doesn't mean it's no good or has no passion. just that you feel that music has to have x, y, and z to be passionate or good, which is ridiculous.

    how about this in summary then, rather than parsing words and trying explain feelings and things that are difficult to explain: it is boring.

    ok, that is what I meant by this thread. My opinion is it's boring. Take that however you want to you, extract any meaning you want. boring.

    and for the record, you were the one who brought up lyrics, I don't really give a shit about lyrics. And I've never been a big fan of Nirvana, and I don't like "nostalgia rock."
  • red mos
    red mos Posts: 4,953
    facepollution wrote:
    I know a load of people here will crucify me for it, but in terms of passion, energy and impressive musicianship, you could do a lot worse than checking out Alter Bridge.

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=yz_j7nVCJJ0

    This is the title song from their latest album Blackbird. The song was written by the singer for a lost friend, I saw them perform it live a couple of weeks ago, and man, the singer's (Myles Kennedy) vocal performance was absolutely devastating.

    It's cool if you don't dig it, and I really won't engage in a debate about the band, but in terms of the things you mentioned, I think they tick all the boxes.
    not bad, but I can't help but feel this sounds like Chevelle, or System of a down or Miser. I'm getting a mix of all 3 bands in this one song. That's the problem with these bands. Like the original poster said, the rock sound on radio like this is so generic. A beautiful song though, but this doesn't make me want to listen to an Alter Bridge album. This is however a step up from the first single they ever released, can't remember what it was though.
    PJ: 10/14/00 06/09/03 10/4/09 11/15/13 11/16/13 10/08/14
    EV Solo: 7/11/11 11/12/12 11/13/12
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    GreenTeaDisease wrote:
    how about this in summary then, rather than parsing words and trying explain feelings and things that are difficult to explain: it is boring.

    ok, that is what I meant by this thread. My opinion is it's boring. Take that however you want to you, extract any meaning you want. boring.

    and for the record, you were the one who brought up lyrics, I don't really give a shit about lyrics. And I've never been a big fan of Nirvana, and I don't like "nostalgia rock."

    1. im pretty sure i didnt type the word lyric once in this entire thread until you brought up it up by saying indie lyrics were meaningless or inspired by shopping at the galleria (whatever that means). i said indie music is generally introspective and introverted in terms of mood and sound. i never said anything about the lyrical content.

    2. that's what i've been saying this whole time. you think indie is boring. that's fine. i mentioned a few bands that have more pep and are more lively than the average indie band. i only took issue when you started saying that not only were they boring, you felt qualified to pass judgment on their intentions and conclude they were not passionate about their music and they were all writing songs at the mall for commercial soundtracks just becos you don't like or get them, which simply is not true. you may think they're boring just as we both seem to agree electronic dance is boring. but i'd not presume to judge the people who produce it have no passion or pride for what they do just becos i don't like it. i just may not care for the result.

    3. you mentioned radio... there is your problem. the days of broadcast radio is over. they will only play the most generic music that appeals to the biggest chunk of the bell curve. they have no choice. they cannot compete with online streaming, satellite radio, itunes, and file-sharing. the radio is for music listeners who don't really care for music. you find good music by talking to friends, reading blogs, scrolling the message boards, etc. someone suggested festivals... most of the music i listen to now is stuff i checked out for a music festival. but you've also got to be patient and have an open mind.
  • JSBE
    JSBE Posts: 1,078
    DaytimeDilemma wrote:
    Recently I've been digging Mastodon(new album, still have to get Leviathan) big time.

    all of their albums are awesome. gtd - go buy mastodon's most recent album (blood mountain) and if it doesn't rock you, then, well...um...i don't know. (fyi - mastodon were the foo's guests for their little vma hotel room thing).

    and to each their own as to what rocks for them and what doesn't.

    and fnx is better than it used to be a couple years ago, but it is still pretty crap.
  • GreenTeaDisease
    GreenTeaDisease Posts: 3,359
    JSBE wrote:
    and fnx is better than it used to be a couple years ago, but it is still pretty crap.

    it's better than any other for-profit rock station I've ever heard. they make the best of weak radio music scenes, IMO. They've got some people there that are just ENTRENCHED like Julie Kramer. Very rich history.
  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,593
    Danimal wrote:
    Like what?

    If I hear another band that sounds like Johnny Bravo (Greg Brady) I am going to puke! Everything is entirely too soft. The Shins, The Frames...the "LOOK AT ME I'M SENISTIVE" bullshit that everyone is putting out.

    Nothing wrong with softer music as long as you mix it up a bit for fucks sakes!

    Here are some of my favorites just from last year; some rockin', some not-so-rockin', but all passionate:

    ROCKIN'
    Clutch - From Beale Street To Oblivion
    The Dillinger Escape Plan - Ire Works
    Dropkick Murphys - The Meanest Of Times
    Pelican - City Of Echoes
    Coheed and Cambria - No World For Tomorrow
    Porcupine Tree - Fear Of A Blank Planet

    NOT SO ROCKIN'

    Minus The Bear - Planet Of Ice (best album of the year...)
    Radiohead - In Rainbows
    Jason Isbell - Sirens Of The Ditch
    Aereogramme - My Heart Has A Wish That You Would Not Go


    And I second the Twilight Singers recommendation....Twilight Singers, Gutter Twins, Afghan Whigs...it doesn't get much better than Dulli...
  • bharQ
    bharQ Posts: 1,201
    Drive By Truckers are great as well.... still on my bands too see list

    check em out if you haven't
    09/04/05 - Calgary, AB
    08/02/07 - LOLLA!!!
  • GreenTeaDisease
    GreenTeaDisease Posts: 3,359
    bharQ wrote:
    Drive By Truckers are great as well.... still on my bands too see list

    check em out if you haven't

    oh I saw them live last year. I thought it was AWFUL! A few good moments, but the show just dragged on and on.
  • lalalalaaaaaaaa
    lalalalaaaaaaaa Posts: 2,445
    pjl44 wrote:
    Here are some of my favorites just from last year; some rockin', some not-so-rockin', but all passionate:

    ROCKIN'
    Clutch - From Beale Street To Oblivion
    The Dillinger Escape Plan - Ire Works
    Dropkick Murphys - The Meanest Of Times
    Pelican - City Of Echoes
    Coheed and Cambria - No World For Tomorrow
    Porcupine Tree - Fear Of A Blank Planet

    NOT SO ROCKIN'

    Minus The Bear - Planet Of Ice (best album of the year...)
    Radiohead - In Rainbows
    Jason Isbell - Sirens Of The Ditch
    Aereogramme - My Heart Has A Wish That You Would Not Go


    And I second the Twilight Singers recommendation....Twilight Singers, Gutter Twins, Afghan Whigs...it doesn't get much better than Dulli...

    Good list as usual. There are tons of great bands out there all the time...they're just not always part of some pop movement like grunge. Commercial radio is no longer needed to find good music...all you need to do is search myspace.
  • GreenTeaDisease
    GreenTeaDisease Posts: 3,359
    Saturnal wrote:
    Good list as usual. There are tons of great bands out there all the time...they're just not always part of some pop movement like grunge. Commercial radio is no longer needed to find good music...all you need to do is search myspace.

    how do you search myspace for music? How can you search for something when you don't know what you're searching for?

    oh and as for never listening to the radio, you pretty much have to in the car. well, I do. Not that I drive much, but when I do I'm pretty much listening to the radio.
  • bharQ
    bharQ Posts: 1,201
    GreenTeaDisease wrote:
    oh I saw them live last year. I thought it was AWFUL! A few good moments, but the show just dragged on and on.

    yeah their newer album is mellower, i really love a lot of their stuff though... when they had jason isbell especially... i heard live at the 40 watt and it was great
    09/04/05 - Calgary, AB
    08/02/07 - LOLLA!!!
  • greenspirit
    greenspirit Posts: 64
    tons of great music these days,

    Mono
    Isis
    *shels
    red sparowes
    dalek
    saul williams
    Anything Mike Patton related
    Jesu
    The Mars Volta
    Blue Scholars
    Buckethead
    etc,etc...
  • GreenTeaDisease
    GreenTeaDisease Posts: 3,359
    bharQ wrote:
    yeah their newer album is mellower, i really love a lot of their stuff though... when they had jason isbell especially... i heard live at the 40 watt and it was great

    they reminded me of like a southern rock jam band. Not a huge fan of southern rock, and I'm pretty sure I'd rather listen to Ashlee Simpson than a jam band. It would kinda be a tie...but seriously I really have never listened to an album, just went to the show because I heard so many good things.
  • soulsinging
    soulsinging Posts: 13,202
    GreenTeaDisease wrote:
    they reminded me of like a southern rock jam band. Not a huge fan of southern rock, and I'm pretty sure I'd rather listen to Ashlee Simpson than a jam band. It would kinda be a tie...but seriously I really have never listened to an album, just went to the show because I heard so many good things.

    you couldnt be more east coast if you tried. explains why you dont like mmj though.

    why cant you listen to something else in the car? cars have cd players, tape decks, even if they've only got a radio you can hook your ipod up to that now too. i had plenty of choices as to what to listen to in any car i ever drove. i never listened to the radio unless i was trying to follow a sporting event. hell, how do you even hear ANY music on the radio? all i ever hear is commercials... 15 stations of them.

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