Name the BEST 5 bands out there today

Jeremy1012

Rhinocerous Surprise wrote:

I think Facepollution's point was that Muse are, whether people like the songs or not, pretty great musicians, and not "musically stunted".

You can be a great musician and be musically stunted. Look at Dream Theater as I mentioned before. Technically flawless but insanely bland and you always know where the song is going. I'm not saying that is necessarily true of Muse but I am just clearing up what Harmless might have meant.

harmless_little_f***

Jeremy1012 wrote:

You can be a great musician and be musically stunted. Look at Dream Theater as I mentioned before. Technically flawless but insanely bland and you always know where the song is going. I'm not saying that is necessarily true of Muse but I am just clearing up what Harmless might have meant.

You're exactly right.. I read 'musically stunted' as 'lacking imagination' and emotionally dead.. it's already been said here that Muse are impossible to connect with emotionally.

By the way, LOL @ the fact we're still talking about Muse.

facepollution

Jeremy1012 wrote:

I just hate their sound.

So why feel the need to make sweeping assumptions that a lot of their songs sound the same? Particularly because you haven't backed it up with anything.

Perhaps, and forgive me if I'm wrong here, what you are getting at, is that there is a continuous vibe or something in their music which you hate. I can think of plenty of things that are present in Muse's music that some people don't like. For example, his voice (just like Billy Corgan's voice, you either love it or hate it) the operatic style of a lot of their songs, his effects heavy approach to guitar playing, the general depressive nature of the lyrics. But that not does not = all their songs sound the same. Just watching their live dvd you can hear that they are actually quite a varied band.

facepollution

harmless_little_f*** wrote:

You're exactly right.. I read 'musically stunted' as 'lacking imagination' and emotionally dead.. it's already been said here that Muse are impossible to connect with emotionally.

By the way, LOL @ the fact we're still talking about Muse.

Lacking imagination? You said it yourself "fucking horses?"!!!!! Come on, what about Supermassive Black Hole?! Hardly run of the mill, by Muse or any other mainstream band's standards.

Jeremy1012

facepollution wrote:

So why feel the need to make sweeping assumptions that a lot of their songs sound the same? Particularly because you haven't backed it up with anything.

Perhaps, and forgive me if I'm wrong here, what you are getting at, is that there is a continuous vibe or something in their music which you hate. I can think of plenty of things that are present in Muse's music that some people don't like. For example, his voice (just like Billy Corgan's voice, you either love it or hate it) the operatic style of a lot of their songs, his effects heavy approach to guitar playing, the general depressive nature of the lyrics. But that not does not = all their songs sound the same. Just watching their live dvd you can hear that they are actually quite a varied band.

Having listened to each of their albums, I genuinely remember hearing several things that sounded very similar to the piano in New Born, which annoyed me in the first place. I cannot give song names because I don't remember many of them besides the singles. It's not his voice as such, mainly because he sounds like Thom Yorke hyper-ventilating and I like Radiohead. It's not the guitar effects because I listen to a lot of heavily processed music. It's not the depressing lyrics because I listen to tons of stuff with pathos as their main concern. I just feel that every superlative heaped on the band seems to be referring to another band altogether. I hear a one trick pony band making song after song about the end of the world in a grating prog-baroque pop style that can only be described as Thom Yorke, backed by Yes covering OK Computer in the style of Queen. That might sound like heaven to some but it fills me with feelings of dread and, frankly, revulsion.

Also, that riff in Plug-in Baby that everyone creams over all the time? Bach's Fugue.

muppet

Jeremy1012 wrote:

I don't know how many times I have to say this but YES, mainstream british music is shite. There are some utterly brilliant bands out there if you look for them.

Sure yeah, you can say that about any 'era.'

Could you reccomend me some? I feel I'm listening to too much American music, and betraying my British roots

urbanhippie

Jeremy1012 wrote:

I hear a one trick pony band making song after song about the end of the world in a grating prog-baroque pop style that can only be described as Thom Yorke, backed by Yes covering OK Computer in the style of Queen. That might sound like heaven to some but it fills me with feelings of dread and, frankly, revulsion.

Also, that riff in Plug-in Baby that everyone creams over all the time? Bach's Fugue.

Hahahaha!! :D

Can I just say that I think Muse are ok, especially the old stuff, but reading this made me laugh so much coffee shot all over the computer...


:D

snipes824

Pearl Jam
Rage Against the Machine
Black Crowes
Foo Fighters
Black Keys

Alice in Chains would absolutely be in there but since it is a new singer I didn't feel right.

Other honorable mentions:

My Morning Jacket
Kings of Leon
White Stripes

Jesika537

PJ
Kings Of Leon
Radiohead
The Black Keys
Elvis Costello and the Imposters...

White Stripes would have made it but they kind of fell out of favor with Icky Thump and snubbing the city that put them on the map with their last tour.

facepollution

Jeremy1012 wrote:

Having listened to each of their albums, I genuinely remember hearing several things that sounded very similar to the piano in New Born, which annoyed me in the first place. I cannot give song names because I don't remember many of them besides the singles. It's not his voice as such, mainly because he sounds like Thom Yorke hyper-ventilating and I like Radiohead. It's not the guitar effects because I listen to a lot of heavily processed music. It's not the depressing lyrics because I listen to tons of stuff with pathos as their main concern. I just feel that every superlative heaped on the band seems to be referring to another band altogether. I hear a one trick pony band making song after song about the end of the world in a grating prog-baroque pop style that can only be described as Thom Yorke, backed by Yes covering OK Computer in the style of Queen. That might sound like heaven to some but it fills me with feelings of dread and, frankly, revulsion.

Also, that riff in Plug-in Baby that everyone creams over all the time? Bach's Fugue.

I really have no idea of what mythical Muse album you are talking about, but they really haven't re-used the piano part from New Born. Sure they have other songs with piano, but that's like saying that all NIN songs sound the same because they have drum machines on them.

One trick-pony? I thought we were nearly getting somewhere here.........well let's just compare the cyber r'n'b grind of Supermassive Black Hole with the new-wave synth pop of Starlight, or the lurching tango groove of Uno, or the haunting acoustic restraint of Unintended. So that's a four trick pony at least, and that barely even scratches their large collection of singles, let alone the album tracks.

And big wow about them using Bach's Fugue, I'm sure it wasn't played originally on an electric guitar!

SVRDhand13

there is so much talk of the black keys on this board. I'm going to check them out for the first time since everyone hear seems to love them and i have similair taste to you all.

Jeremy1012

urbanhippie wrote:

Hahahaha!! :D

Can I just say that I think Muse are ok, especially the old stuff, but reading this made me laugh so much coffee shot all over the computer...


:D

I'm obviously exaggerating for effect but I mean it. Y'know, until this thread, I didn't even have particularly strong views on Muse, or at least not that I thought about. I just like to provide an argument. Fact is, all of Facepollution's points have been relevant and a lot of mine were hyperbole-laden excuses to amuse myself. That said, everything I have said about Muse stands.

Jeremy1012

facepollution wrote:

And big wow about them using Bach's Fugue, I'm sure it wasn't played originally on an electric guitar!

Alls I'm saying is, I have never understood why people think that riff is so genius when it is someone playing a standards scale run with *shock* a distortion pedal. Tis genius, no?

And I don't even want to continue any further since we're now just trying to outdo each other with ludicrous descriptions of this band's sound. "Lurching tango groove"? Muse are far from the creative art machine that you are making out here. Can we not just leave it at you like them and I don't? There's no need for either of us to be spewing out sub-Uncut pseudo-intellectual music journo crap.

*extends hand for shaking*

harmless_little_f***

facepollution wrote:

Lacking imagination? You said it yourself "fucking horses?"!!!!! Come on, what about Supermassive Black Hole?! Hardly run of the mill, by Muse or any other mainstream band's standards.

Come on, get a grip man. The sound of galloping wild horses to introduce a song is not imaginative... it's just a really, really fucking bad idea.

Before-hand it had never been done before, but there was a point when neither had the atomic bomb.

facepollution

Jeremy1012 wrote:

I'm obviously exaggerating for effect but I mean it. Y'know, until this thread, I didn't even have particularly strong views on Muse, or at least not that I thought about. I just like to provide an argument. Fact is, all of Facepollution's points have been relevant and a lot of mine were hyperbole-laden excuses to amuse myself. That said, everything I have said about Muse stands.

I think you need to watch the new dvd !

facepollution

harmless_little_f*** wrote:

Come on, get a grip man. The sound of galloping wild horses to introduce a song is not imaginative... it's just a really, really fucking bad idea.

Before-hand it had never been done before, but there was a point when neither had the atomic bomb.

Well considering the galloping drum beat, and the whole apocalyptic feel of the song, the sound of horses would fit that perfectly! It's supposed to be out there and over-blown and ridiculous!

Jeremy1012

facepollution wrote:

I think you need to watch the new dvd !

and why would I want to do that to myself?

harmless_little_f***

facepollution wrote:

out there and over-blown and ridiculous!

Those are the exact reasons I hate it, and you've said them yourself so eloquently. *shakes your hand*

Jeremy1012

harmless_little_f*** wrote:

Come on, get a grip man. The sound of galloping wild horses to introduce a song is not imaginative... it's just a really, really fucking bad idea.

Before-hand it had never been done before, but there was a point when neither had the atomic bomb.

giggle

this thread and argument amuses me. And I don't mean that in an asshole-ish way FP, I'm enjoying your posts too.

facepollution

Jeremy1012 wrote:

and why would I want to do that to myself?

Just to prove me wrong, or maybe see how technically impressive it is to see a guy shredding away like a beast while he pulls off an equally technical vocal performance?!