there is so much talk of the black keys on this board. I'm going to check them out for the first time since everyone hear seems to love them and i have similair taste to you all.
Can I just say that I think Muse are ok, especially the old stuff, but reading this made me laugh so much coffee shot all over the computer...
:D
I'm obviously exaggerating for effect but I mean it. Y'know, until this thread, I didn't even have particularly strong views on Muse, or at least not that I thought about. I just like to provide an argument. Fact is, all of Facepollution's points have been relevant and a lot of mine were hyperbole-laden excuses to amuse myself. That said, everything I have said about Muse stands.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
And big wow about them using Bach's Fugue, I'm sure it wasn't played originally on an electric guitar!
Alls I'm saying is, I have never understood why people think that riff is so genius when it is someone playing a standards scale run with *shock* a distortion pedal. Tis genius, no?
And I don't even want to continue any further since we're now just trying to outdo each other with ludicrous descriptions of this band's sound. "Lurching tango groove"? Muse are far from the creative art machine that you are making out here. Can we not just leave it at you like them and I don't? There's no need for either of us to be spewing out sub-Uncut pseudo-intellectual music journo crap.
*extends hand for shaking*
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
Lacking imagination? You said it yourself "fucking horses?"!!!!! Come on, what about Supermassive Black Hole?! Hardly run of the mill, by Muse or any other mainstream band's standards.
Come on, get a grip man. The sound of galloping wild horses to introduce a song is not imaginative... it's just a really, really fucking bad idea.
Before-hand it had never been done before, but there was a point when neither had the atomic bomb.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
I'm obviously exaggerating for effect but I mean it. Y'know, until this thread, I didn't even have particularly strong views on Muse, or at least not that I thought about. I just like to provide an argument. Fact is, all of Facepollution's points have been relevant and a lot of mine were hyperbole-laden excuses to amuse myself. That said, everything I have said about Muse stands.
Come on, get a grip man. The sound of galloping wild horses to introduce a song is not imaginative... it's just a really, really fucking bad idea.
Before-hand it had never been done before, but there was a point when neither had the atomic bomb.
Well considering the galloping drum beat, and the whole apocalyptic feel of the song, the sound of horses would fit that perfectly! It's supposed to be out there and over-blown and ridiculous!
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
Those are the exact reasons I hate it, and you've said them yourself so eloquently. *shakes your hand*
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
Come on, get a grip man. The sound of galloping wild horses to introduce a song is not imaginative... it's just a really, really fucking bad idea.
Before-hand it had never been done before, but there was a point when neither had the atomic bomb.
giggle
this thread and argument amuses me. And I don't mean that in an asshole-ish way FP, I'm enjoying your posts too.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
Just to prove me wrong, or maybe see how technically impressive it is to see a guy shredding away like a beast while he pulls off an equally technical vocal performance?!
Just to prove me wrong, or maybe see how technically impressive it is to see a guy shredding away like a beast while he pulls off an equally technical vocal performance?!
You can't polish a turd.
YES! I love getting that into a conversation.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
Just to prove me wrong, or maybe see how technically impressive it is to see a guy shredding away like a beast while he pulls off an equally technical vocal performance?!
ohhh don't even start. Put it this way, I think Lou Reed is a better lead guitarist than Joe Satriani.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
Those are the exact reasons I hate it, and you've said them yourself so eloquently. *shakes your hand*
Lol, fair enough. It does kind of make sense if you listen to it on the album too, cause it bleeds in from the previous track Hoodoo, which has a Desperado-style mariachi vibe to it - which kind of continues in the guitar lines of Knights Of Cydonia. I think their blending of styles is pretty original, at the very least.
Radiohead
Great great great! Only reason they're not #1 is because PJ cater to my taste more than Radiohead.
Menomena
There's something so totally different about them. They make saxophones sound cool! Friend & Foe is my favourite album of the last 5 years.
Brand New
They've been around a while but are only now starting to come into their own. Every song on The Devil & God Are Raging Inside Me is great (apart from handcuffs, but that was written by the rhythm guitarist...). I don't even think it's a fluke since all the scrapped recordings from TD&GaRIM demos are awesome too. Really can't wait for the next album.
We Are Scientists
Only young band around at the mo that I can see heading for superstar status in 5-7 years time. Their musics catchy but not annoying and they have mainstream appeal. It seems like they're gradually picking up momentum, so hopefully they won't be a flash in the pan band. Wish them all the best.
HM: Hot Chip, Broken Social Scene, Bright Eyes, Nine Inch Nails
Of course it's relevant.... no amount of epic sonics, musical trickery or bravado will make a shitty song better. Ask Andrew Lloyd Webber.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
ohhh don't even start. Put it this way, I think Lou Reed is a better lead guitarist than Joe Satriani.
You have a real issue with giving credit where it's due don't you?! I know you don't think it's due, but to be fair, Matt Bellamy is a pretty inventive guitarist by mainstream standards, regradless of the speed he plays at, it's pretty unique. And you can't knock a guy who plays lead guitar and still gives a technically impressive vocal - I'm sure it's not that easy to do.
Of course it's relevant.... no amount of epic sonics, musical trickery or bravado will make a shitty song better. Ask Andrew Lloyd Webber.
Not relevant because I'm not trying to get anyone to 'like' the song, just to give him some respect for his abilities. Not a lot of lead guitarists pull off equally complex vocals.
You have a real issue with giving credit where it's due don't you?! I know you don't think it's due, but to be fair, Matt Bellamy is a pretty inventive guitarist by mainstream standards, regradless of the speed he plays at, it's pretty unique. And you can't knock a guy who plays lead guitar and still gives a technically impressive vocal - I'm sure it's not that easy to do.
OK, I'm going to be 'slightly' kind to Muse here because I'm shockingly democratic.. If I was going to praise Bellamy on his musicianship I would've used his piano playing, not his guitar.
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
OK, I'm going to be 'slightly' kind to Muse here because I'm shockingly democratic.. If I was going to praise Bellamy on his musicianship I would've used his piano playing, not his guitar.
Both are impressive. He's not a million miles off someone like Tom Morello in the creativity stakes. Not perhaps the most virtuoso guitarist, but unique in the fact that his style isn't typical in mainstream music.
You have a real issue with giving credit where it's due don't you?! I know you don't think it's due, but to be fair, Matt Bellamy is a pretty inventive guitarist by mainstream standards, regradless of the speed he plays at, it's pretty unique. And you can't knock a guy who plays lead guitar and still gives a technically impressive vocal - I'm sure it's not that easy to do.
I have no problem giving credit where credit is due. Matt Bellamy is a fine guitarist, no doubt. Using his shredding ability as a way of showing that is just a surefire way of making me lose interest. Same with any guitarist. This isn't Muse specific. I don't dislike guitarists because they can play fast. I dislike people saying they are amazing BECAUSE of that. It takes more than just technique. And don't think here that I am now saying Bellamy is just technique. All I was saying in my previous post is that I don't find his ability to shred and sing remotely impressive. There are much more impressive things about Matt Bellamy than that.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
The Devil & God are raging inside me completely took me by surprise. A thoroughly fantastic record.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
I have no problem giving credit where credit is due. Matt Bellamy is a fine guitarist, no doubt. Using his shredding ability as a way of showing that is just a surefire way of making me lose interest. Same with any guitarist. This isn't Muse specific. I don't dislike guitarists because they can play fast. I dislike people saying they are amazing BECAUSE of that. It takes more than just technique. And don't think here that I am now saying Bellamy is just technique. All I was saying in my previous post is that I don't find his ability to shred and sing remotely impressive. There are much more impressive things about Matt Bellamy than that.
His ability to delude the masses into believing that Black Holes and Revelations is an intelligent album?
*runs away*
'We're learning songs for baby Jesus' birthday. His mum and dad were Merry and Joseph. He had a bed made of clay and the three kings bought him Gold, Frankenstein and Merv as presents.'
I have no problem giving credit where credit is due. Matt Bellamy is a fine guitarist, no doubt. Using his shredding ability as a way of showing that is just a surefire way of making me lose interest. Same with any guitarist. This isn't Muse specific. I don't dislike guitarists because they can play fast. I dislike people saying they are amazing BECAUSE of that. It takes more than just technique. And don't think here that I am now saying Bellamy is just technique. All I was saying in my previous post is that I don't find his ability to shred and sing remotely impressive. There are much more impressive things about Matt Bellamy than that.
I don't know, I'm usually impressed when people can do things that most people can't. I probably shouldn't have used the term 'shredding', that's only one string to his bow. Like I said, I think he shows a lot of originality and flair in his playing, which is not typical for most singer/guitarists, let alone one who's pulling off such difficult vocal performances. In my view I think that deserves some praise, regardless of what you might think of the music itself.
His ability to delude the masses into believing that Black Holes and Revelations is an intelligent album?
*runs away*
I think you would have to be quite a young mind to think that. I actually think he writes some pretty intelligent lyrics, but I think they pretty much always take a back seat to the music. That's cool with me though, becasue I don't look to Muse for thought provoking lyrics, a big fat riff and a catchy chorus works for me, and they bring those by the spade full.
I think you would have to be quite a young mind to think that.
ooooh. Let's not have any patronisation. I can't wait for his response.
"I remember one night at Muzdalifa with nothing but the sky overhead, I lay awake amid sleeping Muslim brothers and I learned that pilgrims from every land — every colour, and class, and rank; high officials and the beggar alike — all snored in the same language"
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And I don't even want to continue any further since we're now just trying to outdo each other with ludicrous descriptions of this band's sound. "Lurching tango groove"?
*extends hand for shaking*
Come on, get a grip man. The sound of galloping wild horses to introduce a song is not imaginative... it's just a really, really fucking bad idea.
Before-hand it had never been done before, but there was a point when neither had the atomic bomb.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
I think you need to watch the new dvd
Well considering the galloping drum beat, and the whole apocalyptic feel of the song, the sound of horses would fit that perfectly! It's supposed to be out there and over-blown and ridiculous!
Those are the exact reasons I hate it, and you've said them yourself so eloquently. *shakes your hand*
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
this thread and argument amuses me. And I don't mean that in an asshole-ish way FP, I'm enjoying your posts too.
Just to prove me wrong, or maybe see how technically impressive it is to see a guy shredding away like a beast while he pulls off an equally technical vocal performance?!
You can't polish a turd.
YES! I love getting that into a conversation.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
Lol, fair enough. It does kind of make sense if you listen to it on the album too, cause it bleeds in from the previous track Hoodoo, which has a Desperado-style mariachi vibe to it - which kind of continues in the guitar lines of Knights Of Cydonia. I think their blending of styles is pretty original, at the very least.
Brand New is sick!
-Greg Dulli
Even when it's apparently not even relevant
tragically hip
wintersleep
my morning jacket
kings of leon
yeah yeah yeahs
theres 6
Black Keys
R.E.M.
Kings of Leon
Yeah Yeah Yeah's
-Greg Dulli
Of course it's relevant.... no amount of epic sonics, musical trickery or bravado will make a shitty song better. Ask Andrew Lloyd Webber.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
You have a real issue with giving credit where it's due don't you?! I know you don't think it's due, but to be fair, Matt Bellamy is a pretty inventive guitarist by mainstream standards, regradless of the speed he plays at, it's pretty unique. And you can't knock a guy who plays lead guitar and still gives a technically impressive vocal - I'm sure it's not that easy to do.
Not relevant because I'm not trying to get anyone to 'like' the song, just to give him some respect for his abilities. Not a lot of lead guitarists pull off equally complex vocals.
OK, I'm going to be 'slightly' kind to Muse here because I'm shockingly democratic.. If I was going to praise Bellamy on his musicianship I would've used his piano playing, not his guitar.
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
Both are impressive. He's not a million miles off someone like Tom Morello in the creativity stakes. Not perhaps the most virtuoso guitarist, but unique in the fact that his style isn't typical in mainstream music.
His ability to delude the masses into believing that Black Holes and Revelations is an intelligent album?
*runs away*
- the great Sir Leo Harrison
I don't know, I'm usually impressed when people can do things that most people can't. I probably shouldn't have used the term 'shredding', that's only one string to his bow. Like I said, I think he shows a lot of originality and flair in his playing, which is not typical for most singer/guitarists, let alone one who's pulling off such difficult vocal performances. In my view I think that deserves some praise, regardless of what you might think of the music itself.
I think you would have to be quite a young mind to think that. I actually think he writes some pretty intelligent lyrics, but I think they pretty much always take a back seat to the music. That's cool with me though, becasue I don't look to Muse for thought provoking lyrics, a big fat riff and a catchy chorus works for me, and they bring those by the spade full.
Pearl Jam
R.E.M.
Foo Fighters
Metallica
Nine Inch Nails
HM:
Bob Dylan (no Band but amazing and worth mentioning)
The Shins
Radiohead
I meant to think it was 'intelligent'.