That is true...but I think the poster was comparing past ticket prices/policies to current. Despite huge demand with still limited supply (in the PJ heyday) they still kept tix ridiculously low. They also preached about it and made it a big point.
You don't hear that anymore...and it's a good thing, because they don't do that anymore.
$75 is low ... it may not be ridiculously low but you won't be able to show me a comparable product that is cheaper ... if they are on the low end of other bands of their status - how can you say they aren't continuing to be fair?
Coldplay: 74.50+14.55+3.00=92.05 for one ticket
Radiohead: 53.00+11.15+6.00=70.15 for one ticket
(no shipping charges included)
if pj charged me $300/ticket, i would still consider it a bargin....
if you don't live where pj tours, move if it is that important to you. they can't come to all our living rooms
The rest of your post makes sense...this last part does not. That's a big difference to many people.
Here is the thing. If you are living from paycheck to paycheck, and $30 is a lot of money to you, maybe you shouldn't be going to a Pearl Jam concert. All I'm saying. It sucks, but if $75 is a really bitch to come up with (and making you delirious from posting complaint threads), then I would think if tickets were $45 that you should still put that money to better use than a concert.
I think I'm just tired of the whining about concert prices. In 2008 $75 is not a huge amount of money, especially compared with what other bands charge. People on here are living like it is 1993, but that was 15 years ago! It cost me $60 to park in NYC for two nights (just to park!). So $75 isn't a lot of money anymore, and if it is, then concerts may not be a priority. I'm sure that makes me an elitist.
$75 is low ... it may not be ridiculously low but you won't be able to show me a comparable product that is cheaper ... if they are on the low end of other bands of their status - how can you say they aren't continuing to be fair?
I did not say they weren't being fair...
They set a high standard early...one of if not the cheapest show...they are not that anymore, they are averaged price now. That's all I'm saying.
It use to be part of the PJ montra...Cheap prices and access for all!!!
Now it's simply average prices. Not a big deal to me, but I understand some people's frustration with it.
Here, I'll put it in Polaris friendly terms ...they use to have the smallest carbon footprint, not they are just average. Not a big deal, but no longer somehting to admire about them.
They set a high standard early...one of if not the cheapest show...they are not that anymore, they are averaged price now. That's all I'm saying.
It use to be part of the PJ montra...Cheap prices and access for all!!!
Now it's simply average prices. Not a big deal to me, but I understand some people's frustration with it.
Here, I'll put it in Polaris friendly terms ...they use to have the smallest carbon footprint, not they are just average. Not a big deal, but no longer somehting to admire about them.
who would you put in pearl jam's league for the sake of argument? ... what other bands? ... then let's compare ticket prices at msg ... simple test ...
Here is the thing. If you are living from paycheck to paycheck, and $30 is a lot of money to you, maybe you shouldn't be going to a Pearl Jam concert. All I'm saying. It sucks, but if $75 is a really bitch to come up with (and making you delirious from posting complaint threads), then I would think if tickets were $45 that you should still put that money to better use than a concert.
I think I'm just tired of the whining about concert prices. In 2008 $75 is not a huge amount of money, especially compared with what other bands charge. People on here are living like it is 1993, but that was 15 years ago! It cost me $60 to park in NYC for two nights (just to park!). So $75 isn't a lot of money anymore, and if it is, then concerts may not be a priority. I'm sure that makes me an elitist.
I hear ya...but I still think someone that is working hard to pay the bills and scrapping to save $ certainly can spend some $ from time to time at a rock concert...otherwise, what's the point in living?
Anyhow, don't get me wrong, I'm ok with the ticket prices, but it's not something anyone should be bragging about like they use to. I guess it's similar to fighting Ticketmaster and now using them...they had their day (low ticket prices) and now they're gone. Average prices it is!!!
who would you put in pearl jam's league for the sake of argument? ... what other bands? ... then let's compare ticket prices at msg ... simple test ...
This is a tough thing to do as I've always found it tough to put bands in league together. And I think you're missing my point...but how about...
DMB
RHCP
STP
REM
Let's start with them, since they are all solid bands, have followings, but are not a recent radio hit band like Coldplay for example.
AS far as comapring shows...Muse is the next best live band I've seen. Maybe could comapre White Stripes...you going to look it all up?
Stop stealing their fucking music, you fucking thieves. The price of tickets will go down.
A voice of reason. Expect to be bombarded. Nobody like it when you point out that they are stealing and not simply "downloading". Downloading seems so much more friendly.
should have pointed that out...not sure you can get a $49 ticket to see Pearl Jam.
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Sorry had to be said.
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Stop stealing their fucking music, you fucking thieves. The price of tickets will go down.
I don't really buy it.
Bands make about a dollar per cd, if they're lucky. All the rest of the money goes to others involved, such as the label.
I have a great article at home in an old issue of wire about how little downloading music actually effects a band, I should dig it up or see if I can find it online somewhere.
The ticket market and cost of living have both gone up, and this is why PJ tickets have gone up, it's not anything else. Bands have always made the bulk of their money from touring... albums are mostly just a reason to tour (from a business stand point that is.)
A voice of reason. Expect to be bombarded. Nobody like it when you point out that they are stealing and not simply "downloading". Downloading seems so much more friendly.
I don't download, I trade. There is nothing wrong with trading.
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A voice of reason. Expect to be bombarded. Nobody like it when you point out that they are stealing and not simply "downloading". Downloading seems so much more friendly.
Fuck'em.
"I don't believe in PJ fans but I believe there is something, not too sure what." - Thoughts_Arrive
Um...the price of an album has absolutely NOTHING to do with ticket prices. Since the BEGGINING OF TIME probably 90% of album sales goes to the RECORD COMPANY, not to the artist. So by downloading, you aren't crippling the artist, you're crippling the record company and record industry.
The reason for the increase in ticket sales is simple inflation, price of gas, and supply and demand.
There are plenty of great acts that still manage to keep their ticket prices low. That's the one good thing about a festival, you get a lot of great music as a decent price.
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Eddie told me once that we vote everyday. We are consumers. When we buy something we are voting. If you don't like the high prices, don't vote for them.
There is many factors involved here and I don't think any of them are the fault of Pearl Jam or their organization, It's just a sign of the times.
1) Venues like MSG are not cheap to rent for 2 nights and for the band to make money on their tour (This is their job afterall) they have to raise ticket prices accordingly.
2) Pearl Jam doesn't sell as many records as they did back in 1991-1994. People are downloading more and not buying their CD's. The band hasn't been whoreing their music out to commercials the way some other bands are doing these days, so they have to rely on touring in order to make money.
3) When planning out a tour. They band looks at the areas of where their fan base is the strongest. Small towns and small regional areas probably don't make up a large demographic of where their fan base lies. Rather than playing a small town...they will likely pick the big city where they can play a bigger venue, have a greater chance of filling the house, and bring in fans from all over the region. It's a win win situation. Not to mention Pearl Jam is a huge band; as opposed to a small band that has to get out their and spread their music and draw attention to themselves.
4) They are a big band. They have a big crew that have to travel with them to every city. It costs alot for them to support their crew, and I think they're treated very good as they've been with them for a long time. The band probably wants to make sure that their crew is paid well too; since it is their livelyhood.
Um...the price of an album has absolutely NOTHING to do with ticket prices. Since the BEGGINING OF TIME probably 90% of album sales goes to the RECORD COMPANY, not to the artist. So by downloading, you aren't crippling the artist, you're crippling the record company and record industry.
The reason for the increase in ticket sales is simple inflation, price of gas, and supply and demand.
There are plenty of great acts that still manage to keep their ticket prices low. That's the one good thing about a festival, you get a lot of great music as a decent price.
Everything is relative. I don't give a rat's ass if you are in the music business.
"I don't believe in PJ fans but I believe there is something, not too sure what." - Thoughts_Arrive
Everything is relative. I don't give a rat's ass if you are in the music business.
What?
And to the band making money? I'm sure the band has plenty of money to live off of for quite a while. I'm actually surprised they didn't give a larger percentage of their cash to charity this time around.
They say I'm rappin like BIG, jay, and tupac
Andre 3000 where is eryka badu at
Who dat
Who dat said dey gon beat lil wayne
My name ain't Bic but I keep dat flame man
I place a lot of the blame on the venues.... Let's face it, any venue worth a shit, and most not, are owned by greedy monopolistic corporations that probably charge the band 8 times what they charged 8 years ago.
While I miss ridiculously cheap tickets, I think it's still a bargain.
Also, for everyone that is bashing the cost of ed's solo tour at $85+/- a ticket (including service charges) keep in mind Neil Young's show at Massey Hall earlier this year (Toronto) was $140 +/- for the top balcony. And do not forget how much the Stones, U2 and other top acts have been charging for years. Things are not getting cheaper out there with the cost of oil skyrocketing....
Somebody has used this Neil Young solor Tour vs EV solo tour price comparison before, maybe it was you. I see it differently...Neil Young is playing all his hits and rarities for $140 a night. EV is playing a mediocre movie soundtrack plus 5 Pearl Jam songs for $100 a ticket. If it was all PearlJam songs w/rarities, covers, i can see the price being that high. If neil young was charging 140$ a ticket for a movie soundtrack tour id be skeptical also.
Eddie told me once that we vote everyday. We are consumers. When we buy something we are voting. If you don't like the high prices, don't vote for them.
And I am sure you purchased an original, official copy of that show at Soldier Field.
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I seem to remember Pearl Jam championing low prices to allow everyone to attend their shows (and fighting Ticketmaster for service charges), but that simply is not the case anymore. Prices have basically doubled in the last eight years... and don't get me started on Eddie's solo tour.
Furthermore, the last few tours have been region centric - avoiding lower population areas in favor of multiple shows in large cities. Fans in more remote areas without the financial means to travel long distances are SOL (not Soldier of Love).
Finally, although on paper the tenclub "buy many shows" policy seems to promote freedom of choice... it is really geared towards the relatively small group of fans who can afford the time/money to follow the band on tour. This makes getting tickets tougher for locals and the policy really only seems to advantage the haves (and the band because they sell more tickets by getting these hardcore folks to follow them around).
I know that it's the fan's choice as to how they spend their money and no one is being forced to buy PJ tickets... I certainly don't blame the band for wanting to make more money, but given their previous stance, has their been any explanation for the gradual change towards this more exclusionary ticket policy?
1. I think Pearl Jam still has low prices for an enormous arena rock band. I mean god, have you seen the prices for the Police? REM? for crap like Bon Jovi??? Plus, Pearl Jam fans aren't teenagers anymore for the most part. Plus, gas is well over $4/gallon. A tour requires lots and lots of gasoline and electricity. There are planes, trucks, buses...and the venues are probably taking a larger cut as well. I've also read in that in the past PJ has carbon-neutralized their tours. I don't know if they did that this time, but that is a large expense. $70 is LOW for a band like this in 2008. The Boston Globe reported that PJ was the only band to sell out the Mansfield venue this year when people can't afford luxuries- let alone sell out 2 shows.
2. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You want PJ to keep prices down, but you don't want them to tour in a cost-effective manner. Going to the larger cities and cities where they have biggest fan base is a way to optimize getting to fans subject to a touring budget. Hitting larger cities is a means to keep prices down. There are plenty of rural people who drive 8, 10 hours to closest major city to see bands play. That's a trade off you make when you live in a rural area- there's not going to be many bands coming to town!
3. I really do not understand your last statement. How does the fan club ticket policy favor people who follow the band on tour???? You can buy fan club tickets to one show. I sat next to people with fan club tickets to one show this tour, I've bought fan club tickets to one show myself in the past. This claim just doesn't make any sense, feel free to explain it more if you wish.
Pearl Jam is the LEAST exclusionary band there is. There is no other arena rock band for which average joe fan club member can score prime seats in the front sections for $70 and a $20 membership fee. I mean it JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN with other bands. Then, they go out and play close to a 3 hour set with different set lists every night after doing this shit for 17 years! They don't HAVE to do that you know, they do it for us. I'm sorry but I can't believe someone would make the claim that these shows are "exclusionary."
Um...the price of an album has absolutely NOTHING to do with ticket prices. Since the BEGGINING OF TIME probably 90% of album sales goes to the RECORD COMPANY, not to the artist. So by downloading, you aren't crippling the artist, you're crippling the record company and record industry.
The reason for the increase in ticket sales is simple inflation, price of gas, and supply and demand.
There are plenty of great acts that still manage to keep their ticket prices low. That's the one good thing about a festival, you get a lot of great music as a decent price.
thank you... that is exactly what i was saying in my other post.
And to the band making money? I'm sure the band has plenty of money to live off of for quite a while. I'm actually surprised they didn't give a larger percentage of their cash to charity this time around.
Oh they definitely make money. I can not argue that. Those rich fuckers! Hhahaha. I'm just saying that they are just trying to make up for money lost on stolen music, gas prices, cost of living etc. (That was in no particular order)
Has anyone turned down a promotion at work on this message board? No? Then stop ya fucking crying.
"I don't believe in PJ fans but I believe there is something, not too sure what." - Thoughts_Arrive
I don't think Pearl Jam or Ed's solo shows are overpriced. I just think they are average priced. And I'd still pay plenty more to see a show, so in the grand scheme of supply and demand, they are underpriced...especially the 10C seats.
But, I still see people's point about a change in ticket pricing philosphy.
Everyone will relax once they announce their plans for the next tour. they will be doing multiple cities, hitting most of the US, and ticket prices will be on par (or below EV solo) with previous PJ tours.
the East coast, EV, and Canadian tours are not typical tours.
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$75 is low ... it may not be ridiculously low but you won't be able to show me a comparable product that is cheaper ... if they are on the low end of other bands of their status - how can you say they aren't continuing to be fair?
Coldplay tickets range from $49-97...
should have pointed that out...not sure you can get a $49 ticket to see Pearl Jam.
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Here is the thing. If you are living from paycheck to paycheck, and $30 is a lot of money to you, maybe you shouldn't be going to a Pearl Jam concert. All I'm saying. It sucks, but if $75 is a really bitch to come up with (and making you delirious from posting complaint threads), then I would think if tickets were $45 that you should still put that money to better use than a concert.
I think I'm just tired of the whining about concert prices. In 2008 $75 is not a huge amount of money, especially compared with what other bands charge. People on here are living like it is 1993, but that was 15 years ago! It cost me $60 to park in NYC for two nights (just to park!). So $75 isn't a lot of money anymore, and if it is, then concerts may not be a priority. I'm sure that makes me an elitist.
Just saying....
I did not say they weren't being fair...
They set a high standard early...one of if not the cheapest show...they are not that anymore, they are averaged price now. That's all I'm saying.
It use to be part of the PJ montra...Cheap prices and access for all!!!
Now it's simply average prices. Not a big deal to me, but I understand some people's frustration with it.
Here, I'll put it in Polaris friendly terms
seriously?? ... you got a link?
who would you put in pearl jam's league for the sake of argument? ... what other bands? ... then let's compare ticket prices at msg ... simple test ...
I hear ya...but I still think someone that is working hard to pay the bills and scrapping to save $ certainly can spend some $ from time to time at a rock concert...otherwise, what's the point in living?
Anyhow, don't get me wrong, I'm ok with the ticket prices, but it's not something anyone should be bragging about like they use to. I guess it's similar to fighting Ticketmaster and now using them...they had their day (low ticket prices) and now they're gone. Average prices it is!!!
This is a tough thing to do as I've always found it tough to put bands in league together. And I think you're missing my point...but how about...
DMB
RHCP
STP
REM
Let's start with them, since they are all solid bands, have followings, but are not a recent radio hit band like Coldplay for example.
AS far as comapring shows...Muse is the next best live band I've seen. Maybe could comapre White Stripes...you going to look it all up?
A voice of reason. Expect to be bombarded. Nobody like it when you point out that they are stealing and not simply "downloading". Downloading seems so much more friendly.
You know how I know you are gay?
Sorry had to be said.
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Minor League Park 7/19/13 - Milwaukee 10-20-14 - Bonnaroo 6/11/16
Minor League Park 8/20/16 - Minor League Park 8/22/16
Minor League Park 8/18/18 - Minor League Park 8/20/18 - Los Angeles 4/16/20
I don't really buy it.
Bands make about a dollar per cd, if they're lucky. All the rest of the money goes to others involved, such as the label.
I have a great article at home in an old issue of wire about how little downloading music actually effects a band, I should dig it up or see if I can find it online somewhere.
The ticket market and cost of living have both gone up, and this is why PJ tickets have gone up, it's not anything else. Bands have always made the bulk of their money from touring... albums are mostly just a reason to tour (from a business stand point that is.)
I don't download, I trade. There is nothing wrong with trading.
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Minor League Park 8/20/16 - Minor League Park 8/22/16
Minor League Park 8/18/18 - Minor League Park 8/20/18 - Los Angeles 4/16/20
Fuck'em.
That was classic!!!!
The reason for the increase in ticket sales is simple inflation, price of gas, and supply and demand.
There are plenty of great acts that still manage to keep their ticket prices low. That's the one good thing about a festival, you get a lot of great music as a decent price.
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Who dat
Who dat said dey gon beat lil wayne
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1) Venues like MSG are not cheap to rent for 2 nights and for the band to make money on their tour (This is their job afterall) they have to raise ticket prices accordingly.
2) Pearl Jam doesn't sell as many records as they did back in 1991-1994. People are downloading more and not buying their CD's. The band hasn't been whoreing their music out to commercials the way some other bands are doing these days, so they have to rely on touring in order to make money.
3) When planning out a tour. They band looks at the areas of where their fan base is the strongest. Small towns and small regional areas probably don't make up a large demographic of where their fan base lies. Rather than playing a small town...they will likely pick the big city where they can play a bigger venue, have a greater chance of filling the house, and bring in fans from all over the region. It's a win win situation. Not to mention Pearl Jam is a huge band; as opposed to a small band that has to get out their and spread their music and draw attention to themselves.
4) They are a big band. They have a big crew that have to travel with them to every city. It costs alot for them to support their crew, and I think they're treated very good as they've been with them for a long time. The band probably wants to make sure that their crew is paid well too; since it is their livelyhood.
5) GAS PRICES !!
Everything is relative. I don't give a rat's ass if you are in the music business.
What?
And to the band making money? I'm sure the band has plenty of money to live off of for quite a while. I'm actually surprised they didn't give a larger percentage of their cash to charity this time around.
Andre 3000 where is eryka badu at
Who dat
Who dat said dey gon beat lil wayne
My name ain't Bic but I keep dat flame man
2008 CHICAGO CUBS MAGIC NUMBER = 62
BEAR DOWN!!!!!
While I miss ridiculously cheap tickets, I think it's still a bargain.
Somebody has used this Neil Young solor Tour vs EV solo tour price comparison before, maybe it was you. I see it differently...Neil Young is playing all his hits and rarities for $140 a night. EV is playing a mediocre movie soundtrack plus 5 Pearl Jam songs for $100 a ticket. If it was all PearlJam songs w/rarities, covers, i can see the price being that high. If neil young was charging 140$ a ticket for a movie soundtrack tour id be skeptical also.
And I am sure you purchased an original, official copy of that show at Soldier Field.
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Minor League Park 8/20/16 - Minor League Park 8/22/16
Minor League Park 8/18/18 - Minor League Park 8/20/18 - Los Angeles 4/16/20
1. I think Pearl Jam still has low prices for an enormous arena rock band. I mean god, have you seen the prices for the Police? REM? for crap like Bon Jovi??? Plus, Pearl Jam fans aren't teenagers anymore for the most part. Plus, gas is well over $4/gallon. A tour requires lots and lots of gasoline and electricity. There are planes, trucks, buses...and the venues are probably taking a larger cut as well. I've also read in that in the past PJ has carbon-neutralized their tours. I don't know if they did that this time, but that is a large expense. $70 is LOW for a band like this in 2008. The Boston Globe reported that PJ was the only band to sell out the Mansfield venue this year when people can't afford luxuries- let alone sell out 2 shows.
2. You can't have your cake and eat it too. You want PJ to keep prices down, but you don't want them to tour in a cost-effective manner. Going to the larger cities and cities where they have biggest fan base is a way to optimize getting to fans subject to a touring budget. Hitting larger cities is a means to keep prices down. There are plenty of rural people who drive 8, 10 hours to closest major city to see bands play. That's a trade off you make when you live in a rural area- there's not going to be many bands coming to town!
3. I really do not understand your last statement. How does the fan club ticket policy favor people who follow the band on tour???? You can buy fan club tickets to one show. I sat next to people with fan club tickets to one show this tour, I've bought fan club tickets to one show myself in the past. This claim just doesn't make any sense, feel free to explain it more if you wish.
Pearl Jam is the LEAST exclusionary band there is. There is no other arena rock band for which average joe fan club member can score prime seats in the front sections for $70 and a $20 membership fee. I mean it JUST DOESN'T HAPPEN with other bands. Then, they go out and play close to a 3 hour set with different set lists every night after doing this shit for 17 years! They don't HAVE to do that you know, they do it for us. I'm sorry but I can't believe someone would make the claim that these shows are "exclusionary."
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thank you... that is exactly what i was saying in my other post.
Oh they definitely make money. I can not argue that. Those rich fuckers! Hhahaha. I'm just saying that they are just trying to make up for money lost on stolen music, gas prices, cost of living etc. (That was in no particular order)
Has anyone turned down a promotion at work on this message board? No? Then stop ya fucking crying.
I don't think Pearl Jam or Ed's solo shows are overpriced. I just think they are average priced. And I'd still pay plenty more to see a show, so in the grand scheme of supply and demand, they are underpriced...especially the 10C seats.
But, I still see people's point about a change in ticket pricing philosphy.
the East coast, EV, and Canadian tours are not typical tours.
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