Oasis

Binaural

soulsinging wrote:

my point being, simplicity does not equal bad. where'd the thread go about fun music? you're one of the pretentious folks referred to in that thread... go put on some emo and cry to yourself some more. cos music can't be any good unless it takes itself more seriously than scott stapp takes his jesus poses. most bands would kill to write a song like wonderwall and many rock legends have flat out said as much. from ryan adams to pete townshend. it's a fantastic song and just becos the album sold more copies than your pathetic little favorite indie band with its mopey, depressing lyrics will print in its career and liam impregnanted your mother when she was part of the groupie gangbang doesn't mean you can deny the fact that noel has more talent in his little finger than most musicians will show in a lifetime. you may not like their style or their music, but there's no denying he is one of the great songwriters of the last generation. what bands do you like that are so original? if you're going to blast noel for writing simple tunes, you better only like bands like queen or something. cos 98% of rock music is so simple and cliched an monkey could do it.

as said in almost famous, rock music is gloriously dumb. what makes it good is not the fact that they used an obscure tuning to be soooo original, but that they can write something that connects with people. and wonderwall reached more people than most bands will reach in a lifetime.

Wow, bitter much?
Im the pretentious one? You're the one making personal attacks on me. I don't dislike Oasis because they're not writing about politics or world poverty, I dislike them because I find their music to be fake, I get the impression that they fake emotion.
"Rock music is gloriously dumb". Thats just fucking stupid. So if music is intelligent or complex it's not rock music? Now who's being pretentious?

Binaural

Tiki Barber wrote:

this thread is getting pretty good. that is well put. i'm glad everyone is putting binaural in his place because he doesn't know what he is talking about. OASIS!

Because I express an opinion contrary to yours? This is what I hate about people like you. Look, don't interact on a message board if you are not willing to be exposed to or engage with opinions contrary to your own. Your immaturity and pettiness is a poor reflection upon yourself.

soulsinging

Binaural wrote:

Wow, bitter much?
Im the pretentious one? You're the one making personal attacks on me. I don't dislike Oasis because they're not writing about politics or world poverty, I dislike them because I find their music to be fake, I get the impression that they fake emotion.
"Rock music is gloriously dumb". Thats just fucking stupid. So if music is intelligent or complex it's not rock music? Now who's being pretentious?

no, it's still rock. but when you start taking yourself too seriously and thinking rock is anything more than a pleasant aural and emotional experience, you're stupid. rock can be all over the spectrum, and just becos it's not about poverty doesn't mean it's fake. rock and roll cannot change the world. sometimes it's just about having a good time and celebrating life.

now if oasis music rings false to you, that's one thing and sure, it's a legit perception and opinion. but it's one thing to say you dont like them becos you think they're fake and another to say that noel cant write, when the rest of the world, including those who dont like oasis, have acknowledged that he's damn good at what he does. just becos his songs aren't to you taste or liking doesn't mean he's a poor writer.

Pearl Jam and toast

soulsinging wrote:

as said in almost famous, rock music is gloriously dumb. what makes it good is not the fact that they used an obscure tuning to be soooo original, but that they can write something that connects with people. and wonderwall reached more people than most bands will reach in a lifetime.

Very well said. Sonic Youth's weird tunings, Bob Dylan's often indecipherable lyrics, Pink Floyd's concepts and meticulous arrangements,... all icing on the cake. Oasis is great representation of the backbone of rock music.

Binaural

soulsinging wrote:

no, it's still rock. but when you start taking yourself too seriously and thinking rock is anything more than a pleasant aural and emotional experience, you're stupid. rock can be all over the spectrum, and just becos it's not about poverty doesn't mean it's fake. rock and roll cannot change the world. sometimes it's just about having a good time and celebrating life.

now if oasis music rings false to you, that's one thing and sure, it's a legit perception and opinion. but it's one thing to say you dont like them becos you think they're fake and another to say that noel cant write, when the rest of the world, including those who dont like oasis, have acknowledged that he's damn good at what he does. just becos his songs aren't to you taste or liking doesn't mean he's a poor writer.

IN MY OPINION I believe his writing ability to be poor. I believe the emotion in the songs to be artificial.
Its that easy.
I don't know any other way to say it: I DISLIKE THEM FOR THE ABOVE REASONS. The poverty shit I have no idea where youre getting it from.

Pearl Jam and toast

brainofPjB wrote:

Just baffles me they don't get the respect they deserve for being the most pure rock and roll band out there.

I dunno about that...

Foo Fighters have a purity to them that's always attracted me.

Lifted

Binaural wrote:

Because I express an opinion contrary to yours? This is what I hate about people like you. Look, don't interact on a message board if you are not willing to be exposed to or engage with opinions contrary to your own. Your immaturity and pettiness is a poor reflection upon yourself.

this is what you hate about people like me? as if you know anything about me at all from a post i made on a message board about one rock band. anyway i'm always willing to hear other opinions. i just think that based on you're arguments you are just trashing oasis because you don't care for their music, which is fine, but at least admit that that is why you are putting them down. tell everyone that despite the fact that noel gallagher is a gifted songwriter, and despite the fact that oasis put out arguably two of the most important rock albums of the 90's, i just hate those assholes and i'm pissed off that they were successful so i'm gonna tell everyone what shite songwriters and lousy performers they are....because they're lyrics don't make any sense to me and their songs are too damn good for how simple they are and it pisses me off.

pjoasisrule

Tiki Barber wrote:

this is what you hate about people like me? as if you know anything about me at all from a post i made on a message board about one rock band. anyway i'm always willing to hear other opinions. i just think that based on you're arguments you are just trashing oasis because you don't care for their music, which is fine, but at least admit that that is why you are putting them down. tell everyone that despite the fact that noel gallagher is a gifted songwriter, and despite the fact that oasis put out arguably two of the most important rock albums of the 90's, i just hate those assholes and i'm pissed off that they were successful so i'm gonna tell everyone what shite songwriters and lousy performers they are....because they're lyrics don't make any sense to me and their songs are too damn good for how simple they are and it pisses me off.

Good work, I think the people that hate Oasis dont know enough about them and arent willing to give them a chance because its not exactly fashionable to like their music, I was once one of those people too but then I opened myself up to their highly addictive/catchy music.

Binaural

Tiki Barber wrote:

this is what you hate about people like me? as if you know anything about me at all from a post i made on a message board about one rock band. anyway i'm always willing to hear other opinions. i just think that based on you're arguments you are just trashing oasis because you don't care for their music, which is fine, but at least admit that that is why you are putting them down. tell everyone that despite the fact that noel gallagher is a gifted songwriter, and despite the fact that oasis put out arguably two of the most important rock albums of the 90's, i just hate those assholes and i'm pissed off that they were successful so i'm gonna tell everyone what shite songwriters and lousy performers they are....because they're lyrics don't make any sense to me and their songs are too damn good for how simple they are and it pisses me off.

Wow, this post is mindblowing, you are actually reatarded.
This is the horseshit you come off with just because I don't like Oasis? The word repressed comes to mind.

Lifted

Binaural wrote:

Wow, this post is mindblowing, you are actually reatarded.
This is the horseshit you come off with just because I don't like Oasis? The word repressed comes to mind.

no it's not because you don't like oasis, it's because you won't give them credit for actually being descent musicians just because you don't care for them. anyway what are you surprised about, isn't the point of this thread to argue about whether or not you like oasis. thats why i came on here, so maybe you're retarded for coming on here and bashing oasis and not expecting any negative feedback.

Binaural

Tiki Barber wrote:

no it's not because you don't like oasis, it's because you won't give them credit for actually being descent musicians just because you don't care for them. anyway what are you surprised about, isn't the point of this thread to argue about whether or not you like oasis. thats why i came on here, so maybe you're retarded for coming on here and bashing oasis and not expecting any negative feedback.

And I am entitled to my opinion. As there is no grading criterea for judging this, its all subjective. The point isn't to agrue but to debate. I don't mind negative feedback, but I don't expect a bithcing session with an asshole because I don't idolise a couple of self indulgent pretenious pillocks from manchester.

soulsinging

Tiki Barber wrote:

no it's not because you don't like oasis, it's because you won't give them credit for actually being descent musicians just because you don't care for them. anyway what are you surprised about, isn't the point of this thread to argue about whether or not you like oasis. thats why i came on here, so maybe you're retarded for coming on here and bashing oasis and not expecting any negative feedback.

are you from the uk? cos i've noticed people from the uk tend to hate oasis becos of how big they are. they are HUGE in the uk and they get oasis rammed down their throats all the time, so i see how they start to resent and hate oasis. i dont know if we've got anyone comparable here... maybe u2 or britney or something.

i dont think we in the states realize just how much press oasis gets over there. likewise, i dont think people from the uk realize how relatively unknown and irrelevant oasis is over here. most people dont know they released anything after 1994 and know no songs outside wonderwall, their only hit in the us. i kinda feel bad for them... it's nice to be able to hear oasis without the hype and loaded media attention.

Lifted

soulsinging wrote:

are you from the uk? cos i've noticed people from the uk tend to hate oasis becos of how big they are. they are HUGE in the uk and they get oasis rammed down their throats all the time, so i see how they start to resent and hate oasis. i dont know if we've got anyone comparable here... maybe u2 or britney or something.

i dont think we in the states realize just how much press oasis gets over there. likewise, i dont think people from the uk realize how relatively unknown and irrelevant oasis is over here. most people dont know they released anything after 1994 and know no songs outside wonderwall, their only hit in the us. i kinda feel bad for them... it's nice to be able to hear oasis without the hype and loaded media attention.

no i'm from the u.s.......yeah i don't know, i feel like i'm becoming a spokesman for oasis on this thread, but i personally don't think they're that great anymore either. they're still a good live band and occasionally they'll put out a good song......like the importance of being idle (great tune) but other than that i haven't heard much great material from them since be here now and the masterplan which as you know was just an album of b-sides. i would love to see them return to the form of the glory days but i think liam's voice is gone, and noel shouldn't let him write his own songs anymore.

FinsburyParkCarrots

A friend of mine did some session drums for one Oasis album. I'm not mentioning the name of the drummer, or the Oasis album (except to say it was a fairly early one), but this bloke was asked to come in and fix drum parts, because things were getting a bit crazy in the studio. He's done the same for other bands I'll not mention.

FinsburyParkCarrots

Tiki Barber wrote:

the importance of being idle (great tune)

Ah, but, have you ever heard Dead End Street, by The Kinks, or even seen the original promo film the band did for the song?

http://www.noolmusic.com/blogs/YouTube_Music_Videos_60s_70s_-_Kinks_-_Dead_End_Street.shtml


Sound/look familiar?:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-1E6UEAZRM

SLH916

I don't know why it's gotten in to me wade into this discussion, but I really, really dislike Oasis, even their early stuff. It has nothing to do with all of the bad publicity and weird behavior. And I believe that they put on a good live show. I just hate their songs, even their early hits. I think I gave them more than a fair chance, since I seem to have been surrounded by Oasis admirers.

I'm not very dogmatic about these things, and I'm willing to listen to almost everything, but I equate Oasis with structured noise.

soulsinging

this thread inspired me to load my ipod with the "stop the clocks tracklist" (taken from my cd's, i didnt bother to buy it since i had all the songs). im curious to hear how they play out, though we could probly argue for days about what great songs are missing.

pjoasisrule

soulsinging wrote:

this thread inspired me to load my ipod with the "stop the clocks tracklist" (taken from my cd's, i didnt bother to buy it since i had all the songs). im curious to hear how they play out, though we could probly argue for days about what great songs are missing.

Very disappointing greatest hits, the tracklisting is a bit ridiculous and they only put 9 songs on each cd

soulsinging

pjoasisrule wrote:

Very disappointing greatest hits, the tracklisting is a bit ridiculous and they only put 9 songs on each cd

it's no rearviewmirror, that's for sure. they coulda fit all their singles on 2 discs with ease i think. it clocks in at 87 minutes... barely over one cd.

pjoasisrule

soulsinging wrote:

it's no rearviewmirror, that's for sure. they coulda fit all their singles on 2 discs with ease i think. it clocks in at 87 minutes... barely over one cd.

Rearviewmirror is possibly the best greatest hits ever