Is Nirvana the most important band since the Beatles

DriftingByTheStorm

dirtyT wrote:

trying to compare Kurt's guitar talent to Mike's? Funny stuff!!

i'm trying to say there is an incomparable difference between coming up with a good solo or riff for someone ELSE's song and WRITING YOUR OWN GODDAMN SONG!

How many songs did\does Mike take credit for WRITING ...

LYRICS, MELODY, GUITAR, ETC ...

Kurt had quite a fucking few.

jeez.

And uh ... lets see ... Down is a REAL hard song to play ... i don't think Kurt could have EVER come up with something THAT complicated ... :rolleyes:

some of you need to wake up.

Most pearl jam is pretty easy, save some solos ...

darthvedder88 wrote:

That's the most rediculous thing anyone's ever said in comparing Nirvana to Pearl Jam in a long time...dude, look at some of the songs McCready has written or helped write: Faithful, Given to Fly, Tremor Christ, Light Years, Inside Job, Marker in the Sand...McCready has all kinds of musical talent!! Kurt was really good with melody, but that was about the only real thing he had...

Faithful, Given to Fly, Tremor Christ
these songs are NO HARDER THAN MOST ANY NIRVANA SONG
Tremor Christ is MIND NUMBINGLY EASY ... Kurt had harder songs to play on Bleach!
Faithful is a cakewalk and given to fly ain't much either.
The next two you possibly get a "moderate difficulty" rating on and inside job, i dunno ... could be a bit harder,
but i've never tried it cause i don't really like it myself.




and Kurt could play a mean solo (of sorts) himself!

FinsburyParkCarrots

darthvedder88 wrote:

Kurt was really good with melody, but that was about the only real thing he had...

Melody is utterly crucial. Charles Mingus told a story of being on a tour bus one time, with a lot of jazz musicians. One new, hep cat schooled in post-Ornette hard bop walked down the aisle of the bus and stood over the swing/early bop veteran Roy Eldridge in his seat. The new cat blew the most complex, lightning fast and harmonically sophisticated riffs he could think of, right into Roy's face, with as much sneery aggression as he could muster. When the young player was done, Roy looked up, completely nonplussed, and yawned, "Yeah, but can you sing me a song?"


Kurt's playing was lyrical, and it always sang a song.

DriftingByTheStorm

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

Melody is utterly crucial. Charles Mingus told a story of being on a tour bus one time, with a lot of jazz musicians. One new, hep cat schooled in post-Ornette hard bop walked down the aisle of the bus and stood over the swing/early bop veteran Roy Eldridge in his seat. The new cat blew the most complex, lightning fast and harmonically sophisticated riffs he could think of, right into Roy's face, with as much sneery aggression as he could muster. When the young player was done, Roy looked up, completely nonplussed, and yawned, "Yeah, but can you sing me a song?" Kurt's playing was lyrical, and sang a song.

Thanks fins.
It AMAZES me the arguments people will use to try and demean Kurt.

He WAS a fucking genius. Stop trying to ignore it people.
Most bands would KILL to have ONE INFECTIOUS MELODY... Kurt gave you FOUR GODDAMN ALBUMS OF THEM!

WTF do you want?
Maybe it's not your cup of tea but it was crazy good talent and will continue to be thought of as so by anyone with half an un-biased brain!

darthvedder88

FinsburyParkCarrots wrote:

Melody is utterly crucial. Charles Mingus told a story of being on a tour bus one time, with a lot of jazz musicians. One new, hep cat schooled in post-Ornette hard bop walked down the aisle of the bus and stood over the swing/early bop veteran Roy Eldridge in his seat. The new cat blew the most complex, lightning fast and harmonically sophisticated riffs he could think of, right into Roy's face, with as much sneery aggression as he could muster. When the young player was done, Roy looked up, completely nonplussed, and yawned, "Yeah, but can you sing me a song?"


Kurt's playing was lyrical, and sang a song.

Pearl Jam has plenty of melody in their music, plus some more!!!! Sure not all of their songs are catchy, but it's nice to have something different every now and then...

searchlightsoul

This thread has definatley tapped a major issue in the psyche of a lot of Pearl Jam fans.

Matty Boy

It seems that each decade the rock media picks a band(s) to overhype. Here's how I see it. I'll give you the medias pick(s) and I'll list the rock fans pick(s).

50's
Media-Elvis
Rock Fans-Chuck Berry

60's
Media-The Beatles and Bob Dylan
Rock Fans-The Rolling Stones, Jimi Hendrix, The Doors, Led Zeppelin, and CCR

70's
Media-The Ramones, Sex pistols, and Bruce Sprinsteen
Rock Fans-Led Zeppelin, The Stones, The Who, Pink Floyd, and Aerosmith

80's
Media-U2, The Clash, and The Police
Rock Fans-AC/DC, Guns N' Roses, Metallica, and Ozzy

90's
Media-Nirvana and Radiohead
Rock Fans- Pearl Jam and Oasis

DriftingByTheStorm

You put GnR in the Rock Fans pick not the Media pick?

Pearl_Jam_CSC

for me nirvana have a few good songs however i do believe the status they seem to get these days is unfortunately because of kurts suicide.

FinsburyParkCarrots

darthvedder88 wrote:

Pearl Jam has plenty of melody in their music, plus some more!!!! Sure not all of their songs are catchy, but it's nice to have something different every now and then...

Sure, they have, but Nirvana's melodies have really seized the popular consciousness by the bollocks. I don't think they did it with quite the same counter-cultural aggression as early punk in the mid to late seventies, but they seem to sum up the entire feel of late 1991 to early 1994 as a historical moment, more than Clinton coming into power, the rise of Bill Gates, the continuing collapse of Sovietism or whatever girlfriend I was seeing at the time.

In terms of musical importance, although Jimi Hendrix's career ran near enough parallel with the late Beatles period (September 1966- September 1970), he was the father of whatever transmogrifications pop (the post rock and roll, moptop beat sound) made into rock, post-rock and beyond.

keeponrockin

I'd go with The Ramones or Run DMC.

For guitar playing, Hendrix.

thankyougrandma

They're the most important band in popular musical culture since the Beatles and no band had the same impact since Nirvana. Beatles and Nirvana were far from being the greatest musician or the most talented musicians of all time. But if it's about the impact on culture, i say yes, Nirvana is the most important band since the Beatles.

I laugh at those saying Nirvana are important because of Kurt's suicide, i also laugh when i read that Nirvana only influenced bands like ... Nickelback, when this band alone sounds a lot more like Pearl Jam than they do sound like Nirvana... but nevermind... .

BTW i'm not a huge Nirvana fan, but i do remember very well that music changed a lot after their entrance in the mainstream music culture. I know that many bands were out there making better music at the time, but none had the massive mainstream impact Nirvana had.

Pearl Jam and toast

Something I'm not gonna bother to quote..

SO..

Kurt vs. Mike writing.

Kurt - Decent lyricist, even above average. With a few exceptions the music he writes is extraordinarily basic though. There's hardly anything imaginative or creative about it (there ARE exceptions mind you - also the way he started to break out of crappy half-baked power chord riffs with In Utero is one reason I say it's his best work).

Mike doesn't write much, but his music is exceptional. Music doesn't have to be hard to play to be well written. He has the ability to capture fairly unique feelings with simple chord progressions and melodies. Even Down, that little guitar riff in the verse just sticks in your head and makes you feel good.

I wouldn't really call one of them better than the other for a lot of reasons though.

mole1985

Nirvana were huge media type hits but they weren't important or that influentual. It's like saying Artic Monkeys are important. They are a big band but the only people who will take inspiration from them are copy cats. Artic Monkeys didn't start this new wave indie-emo-crybaby-bollocks but they are one of the ones who will be remembered most and are a huge media hit. Same with Nirvana.

NickyNooch

Realistically, the Ramones.

failedpersephone

to answer the original question: no.

pjoasisrule

Sawyer wrote:

...nope, the most overhyped band ever.....if Kurt did not become headless, they would never get the glory they do.

You do know that they were huge when they were around right?

pjoasisrule

mole1985 wrote:

The Beatles changed music and inspired countless of other bands and continue to do so today. All the bands that mention nirvana as their influence are generally crap i.e. Nickleback, it's that kinda standard y'know.

It doesnt matter if they mention them as an influence........every newer band is influenced by them directly or indirectly. Popular music would not be the same today if it wasnt for Nirvana, much of the other great music at the time would not have made it big if it wasnt for Nirvana. To doubt their importance is just ignorant, look at all the facts before you claim that Nirvana wasnt an incredibly important band.

mole1985

Nirvana wasn't influentual or important in the grand scheme of things, in today's music and any influence seems to have been a negative one really. But nirvana was important to individuals and they helped people (including me) get into listening music and broadiningtheir horizons. Today's bands that have a clear nirvana influence Nickleback, Inme, Avril Lavigne are generally, ingeneral a big pile of poo.

josevolution

yes they light the fuse to an explosion but in no way were they the best at it and i have been thru 2 of those explosions the first being THE SEX PISTOLS ......

fada

Sawyer wrote:

...nope, the most overhyped band ever.....if Kurt did not become headless, they would never get the glory they do.

Alot of artist are hailed more in death than in their living lifetime. Elvis and Nirvana are such examples.

I don't think that it was Nirvana alone that powered the grunge movement. Pearl Jam were equally as big and alot of the fella's older than me in my youth( I was too young to get into pearl jam at the time) all had the bands long hair and shirt look.