Is Nirvana the most important band since the Beatles

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  • Pearl Jam and toast
    Pearl Jam and toast Posts: 4,475
    Matty Boy wrote:
    Let me start off by saying that I'm a fan of Nirvana but they're the most overhyped band of all time. The media sold Kurt as the voice of a generation after he killed himself. Kurt wanted to be memorialized in death so like a smart little student of rock he shot himself at 27 so he could get himself grouped in with Jim, Jimi, and Janis. If Eddie had died at 27 instead of Kurt he would have been immortalized in the same way. Pearl Jam was a bigger band than Nirvana at the time of Kurts suicide, and "Ten" has outsold "Nevermind", but the self righteous rock media likes to now tell us that Nirvana was the biggest band ever from Seattle.


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  • Tek Money
    Tek Money Posts: 642
    Cheguevara6 wrote:
    I agree with Ben Harpers assertion that pearl Jam is the best band in the world, and have actually posted that a few times. But how many people disagreed with Ben when he said it? How many of you did? I didnt disagree.

    I did. I still do. I love Pearl Jam. But they are not the best.
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  • ii44
    ii44 Posts: 430
    Sure they may have not had the talent of, say, Soundgarden, but Nirvana was a great fucking band with great fucking songwriting. Nevermind is far and away better than any single album PJ has put out, there's no filler on it. Every song is fucking ace. Eddie even said that their album was better.

    The amount of hate they get on this board is confusing to say the least.
  • Gary Carter
    Gary Carter Posts: 14,077
    Cheguevara6 wrote:
    name another band that changed the cultural landscape and really ushered in a new era during the last 15 years? Name another band that really kickstarted a movement?
    green day and the ramones come to mind. yes i think if kurt hadnt killed himself they would never been had such ass kissing from people in the music biz or from fans of music.yes u could say the doors are overhyped but i didnt see nirvana beeing banned from cities
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  • pirlo21
    pirlo21 Posts: 534
    When Eddie Vedder said Pearl Jam wouldn't be where they are without Nirvana, you could also say that none of them would be where they were if it weren't for Soundgarden.
    People will talk about Green River, Skin Yard, U-Men, The Melvins etc. But Sub Pop was set up specifically for Soundgarden!! Then they were the first of the Seattle bands to sign to a major label.
    So, in my opinion, although they didn't have the comercial success of others at the time, were the biggest influence.
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  • BinFrog
    BinFrog MA Posts: 7,314
    Most important band since The Beatles:

    Run DMC
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  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    no

    no band is more 'important' than the Beatles
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • Arctangent
    Arctangent Posts: 614
    Is Nirvana the most important band since the Beatles?

    what an hilarious concept. the beatles were completely over-rated imo and nirvana were ok but nothing special. cobain and co were in the right place at the right time.

    time for the old folks home mr petty!
  • BinFrog
    BinFrog MA Posts: 7,314
    Arctangent wrote:
    Is Nirvana the most important band since the Beatles?

    what an hilarious concept. the beatles were completely over-rated imo and nirvana were ok but nothing special. cobain and co were in the right place at the right time.

    time for the old folks home mr petty!


    I agree that Nirvana was a case of being in the right place at the right time. But The Beatles, overrated? Tell that to every band since them who owe their careers to them.
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  • markymark550
    markymark550 Columbia, SC Posts: 5,217
    Cheguevara6 wrote:
    frankly I think all the Nirvana and Kurt hatred on the board is anger that Pearl Jam and Eddie werent and arent revered and hailed as much as Nirvana and Kurt were.

    As I said, Pearl Jam is important, a hugely important band. That goes without saying. But come on people, lets not kid ourselves. The effect Nirvana and Kurt had on everything was pretty amazing.

    Take it from eddie himself, "I dont think anyone of us, would be here if it wasnt for Kurt Cobain".

    Pearl Jam should be praised by critics and fans in the future, but I think Nirvana should be classified as ushering in the rock revolution of the early 90's.

    And sure Eddie was called a spokesman of a generation too, there is no question Ten, Vs and Vitalogy had a major impact in the 90's.
    Che, I don't usually agree with your political views, but in this case I agree with you 100%
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    Nirvana was and still remains the biggest hype the world has ever known.
  • Arctangent
    Arctangent Posts: 614
    BinFrog wrote:
    I agree that Nirvana was a case of being in the right place at the right time. But The Beatles, overrated? Tell that to every band since them who owe their careers to them.

    i did say that was in my opinion. as far as i'm concerned the beatles were a bit like nirvana - right place right time. they were the original boy band but there were better pop bands than them. then when they started taking illegal substances nd getting weird there were better psychadellic bands than them. a lot of credit for the music they made has to go to sir george martin - most of the new ideas in their music came from him.
  • Hitch-Hiker
    Hitch-Hiker Posts: 2,873
    I would argue that U2 or The Clash have had a bigger impact on music than Nirvana. Hell, Michael Jackson has had a bigger impact on music than Nirvana. Putting aside all personal feelings about the music itself. There have been plenty of artists since the Beatles that were more important than Nirvana.
    Remember people, we're talking about over 3 decades of music here. Think about all the great bands that have been and gone in that time and think about their influence now. Nirvana were influential, but not as much as they're hyped up to be.
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  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    Arctangent wrote:
    most of the new ideas in their music came from him.

    hmmm... i dont think thats true. He definitely created new ways of "recording" the new ideas, but backward tape loops, feedback, bird noises, french horns, etc etc... all these ideas came from the band themselves.

    GMartin just developed a means to record it


    EDIT: just read what Hitch-Hiker said and Led Zeppelin springs to mind.

    Led zep have had a more musical, social, cultural impact than Nirvana... Led Zep influenced so much and so many that Nirvana never will.. Nirvana werent diverse enough and they left very little in terms of musical legacy for bands to be inspired by.
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • BinFrog
    BinFrog MA Posts: 7,314
    Arctangent wrote:
    a lot of credit for the music they made has to go to sir george martin - most of the new ideas in their music came from him.


    Wrong. A lot of the studio wizardry, and narrowing down their ideas into cohesive songs is where he came in. All the ideas were theirs, he just helped them acheive the end result. The 'new ideas' in their music came from them. How to acheive their ideas in the studio, and then some, was Geroge Martin's contribution. Yes, there is a reason he is called the 5th Beatle. But he did not write the music.
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  • Arctangent
    Arctangent Posts: 614
    BinFrog wrote:
    Wrong. A lot of the studio wizardry, and narrowing down their ideas into cohesive songs is where he came in. All the ideas were theirs, he just helped them acheive the end result. The 'new ideas' in their music came from them. How to acheive their ideas in the studio, and then some, was Geroge Martin's contribution. Yes, there is a reason he is called the 5th Beatle. But he did not write the music.

    yeah, 'cos they all carried on pushing those musical bounderies after the beatles split, didn't they? mull of kintyre anyone?
  • Ms. Haiku
    Ms. Haiku Washington DC Posts: 7,373
    Perry Farrell's band Janes' Addiction mostly because Perry Farrell was in it. It just hit me how incredibly important he was for people my age to have access to acts like PJ.
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  • dunkman
    dunkman Posts: 19,646
    Arctangent wrote:
    yeah, 'cos they all carried on pushing those musical bounderies after the beatles split, didn't they? mull of kintyre anyone?

    first ever song to reach number 1 featuring bagpipes... another musical boundary broken. ;)
    oh scary... 40000 morbidly obese christians wearing fanny packs invading europe is probably the least scariest thing since I watched an edited version of The Care Bears movie in an extremely brightly lit cinema.
  • macgyver06
    macgyver06 Posts: 2,500
    what about lasting quality...can you still listen to nirvana and like it alot??

    ive never gotteen tired of PJ...

    but when heart shaped box comes on...ehhh
    come as you are....ehhhh
    SLTS - ehhh
    polly--still ehhhh

    i can tolerate it...but ya... ehhh
  • Arctangent
    Arctangent Posts: 614
    dunkman wrote:
    first ever song to reach number 1 featuring bagpipes... another musical boundary broken. ;)

    oh, no! :eek:

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