Zack De La Rocha continues to call for revolution

ryan198

verb_to_trust wrote:

You take the rantings and posturing of musicians far too seriously. Why do you have all these romatic notions towards a rap artist's pleading for a violent revolution?

Can you not form your alligences and world views based on things other thank rock musicians who can't put their money where their mouth is but spout rhetoric indescriminantly anyway?

Its a fucking rock band dude.......relax.......and listen to the music. If you have to crack open a bio of your little buddy Che while you have your headphones on listening to MUSIC so as you don't convulse.......please do so

Have you or anyone who poses this similar argument ever come to think that perhaps people like myself and che6 choose to listen to Pearl Jam and Rage b/c we agreed with their opinions before we got into their music. I remember the first time I purchased a PJ album was b/c they tried to fight ticketmaster, and I thought it was just cause to support the band for. Rage I never got into until 1998 when I had started looking more into our political process, and policies, and didn't like what I saw. After watching the Matrix and Godzilla "Wake Up" and "No Shelter" I started digging their message and got into the band. Now obviously I have also listened to and read other artists and authors because I listen to these bands, but whose to say that I wouldn't have come across Chomsky, Giroux, Zinn or MC5, Old 'Stones, Afrikka Bambatta, on my own accord? On that note, is it not silly now to think that these artists blindly "lead us" to supporting, or doing things, I think most people are smarter than that.

verb_to_trust

ryan198 wrote:

Have you or anyone who poses this similar argument ever come to think that perhaps people like myself and che6 choose to listen to Pearl Jam and Rage b/c we agreed with their opinions before we got into their music. I remember the first time I purchased a PJ album was b/c they tried to fight ticketmaster, and I thought it was just cause to support the band for. Rage I never got into until 1998 when I had started looking more into our political process, and policies, and didn't like what I saw. After watching the Matrix and Godzilla "Wake Up" and "No Shelter" I started digging their message and got into the band. Now obviously I have also listened to and read other artists and authors because I listen to these bands, but whose to say that I wouldn't have come across Chomsky, Giroux, Zinn or MC5, Old 'Stones, Afrikka Bambatta, on my own accord? On that note, is it not silly now to think that these artists blindly "lead us" to supporting, or doing things, I think most people are smarter than that.

To me, its about the music......and thats what a lot of people tend to forget.

I persoanlly don't get into bands because they voted for the same candidate as me, or planted a bunch of trees somehwere...

at the end of the day if the music sucks i'm not interested

elmer

Cheguevara6 wrote:

Oh how I wish i was at Rock the Bells. Zack dropped this bomb at the show!

"we need to rise up like the youth in Iraq and bring these fuckers to their knees"

And he said the band and he refuse to back down from calling for Bush to be tried and hung

There are very few people I agree with more in the world than Zack

Its a question of what we as a generation decide to do. Are we willing to graduate, get married have kids, buy our white houses and white picket fences. Or are we going to refuse that, and say "hey thats not how it works"

Bush is a murderer and killer and a war criminal.

And the only way to stop the goddamn war, isnt to go gaga for Obama or Hillary. They aint gonna end it folks.

As Ben Harper said "there are two ways things change. 1)people say "hey I aint going to stand for you putting your boots on my chest any more, and rising up or 2) manhattan being submerged in water due to global warming, or a similar crazy event. And he further stated, its past time for reform.

We need to rise up. Rise! RISE! This system doesnt give a crap about you. And if you think Obama and hilary give a damn about you you must be high on meth.

RISE!

Rise and then what? like is there a better system to be put into place? all of us that have to live in the aftermath of the "revolution" are gonna have some serious hard times in front yeah? maybe create a better world for future generations.........but what about the anarchy that would immediatly follow?

can global warming even be stopped?

ryan198

I certainly don't think the music sucks, in fact, what they sing about, and how they perform it is what makes me like both Rage and PJ. I just happened to get interested in them b/c I liked their politics in the first place. Heck I even gave the Dixie Chicks, and other bands of the sort a shot...some I have stuck with and others I haven't - that's when the music comes into play. I refuse to listen to Lynard Skynard (even though Sweet Home Alabama is a well performed song), because I'm not interested in promoted Southern White Supremacy through my music. My main point was that I don't take what Eddie or Zach say/sing to heart b/c I blindly follow them, but since I got into them for their political views in the first place I basically already agree with most of what they are writing/singing/performing, and when they say something I really like I will argue for them.

tybird

ryan198 wrote:

I refuse to listen to Lynard Skynard (even though Sweet Home Alabama is a well performed song), because I'm not interested in promoted Southern White Supremacy through my music.

You really don't have a clue about that band........do you? Let's see......"Saturday Night Special" is an anti-gun violence song...."That Smell" is anti-addiction (both drugs and alcohol)....."Sweet Home Alabama" is just answering Neil Young's "Southern Man" and "Alabama", explaining that not everyone in the South had a set of white sheets with eye-holes in them...."The Ballad of Curtis Low" is an homage to a local black man who taught one of the boys to play the guitar.....real white supremacy in action there. :rolleyes:

ryan198

tybird wrote:

You really don't have a clue about that band........do you? Let's see......"Saturday Night Special" is an anti-gun violence song...."That Smell" is anti-addiction (both drugs and alcohol)....."Sweet Home Alabama" is just answering Neil Young's "Southern Man" and "Alabama", explaining that not everyone in the South had a set of white sheets with eye-holes in them...."The Ballad of Curtis Low" is an homage to a local black man who taught one of the boys to play the guitar.....real white supremacy in action there. :rolleyes:

Two things...1. Neil Young definitely understood that not everyone in Alabama was like that ("You've got a wheel in the ditch, and a wheel on the track") .... "in Birmingham they love the govenor...boom...boom...boom" and "Watergate does not bother me, does your conscious bother you" are two lines that could quite easily be used to contest your notion of it. Further, as Green Day said on their little VH1 number, "once the song is out in public you lose the power to shape the meaning on your own", and if you look at how Skynard fans react to this song, especially in old videos you will not think it's such a progressive song - flying the southern battle cross and all that jazz.

tybird

ryan198 wrote:

Two things...1. Neil Young definitely understood that not everyone in Alabama was like that ("You've got a wheel in the ditch, and a wheel on the track") .... "in Birmingham they love the govenor...boom...boom...boom" and "Watergate does not bother me, does your conscious bother you" are two lines that could quite easily be used to contest your notion of it. Further, as Green Day said on their little VH1 number, "once the song is out in public you lose the power to shape the meaning on your own", and if you look at how Skynard fans react to this song, especially in old videos you will not think it's such a progressive song - flying the southern battle cross and all that jazz.

The problems is with your argument about Birmingham loving the governor is that he never carried the county in which Birmingham is located in any of the elections that he won, so Birmingham did not really love him.....and he felt the same way about the city & county.

jsaso

this thread must be closed!

soulsinging

Kann wrote:

That's bs. First of all, ratm never suggested killing innocent people. And they would be hypocrites if they faked their anger/rage against the current system just to win a little more money.
I'm still wondering how do you doubt their anger isn't real?
Some said (not necessarily you) that they reunited now to jumb on the antiwar/bush bandwagon to make some money. Why can't they be genuinely pissed off like many of their fans?

And yes they have money (though much much less than pj since this is the example that is used) and... they even were signed on a major. Does this make their message less accurate? They are not happy with something and express that frustration.
The fact that Zack isn't currently serving lifetime in prison for killing the assistant director of a corporation doesn't affect the honesty of his message, he believes bush is a criminal (and he isn't alone) and that he shoud have a death sentence a la Saddam. I think he believes it => he is honest about his message.
Only fair in his view, and I heard the same by non musician as well but they weren't asked to sacrifice their lives to prove they really really meant what they were saying.

he encouraged people to rise up like iraqi insurgents. iraqi insurgents murder innocent people on a daily basis. thus, telling his audience to emulate them is advocating senseless and reckless violence.

soulsinging

tybird wrote:

You really don't have a clue about that band........do you? Let's see......"Saturday Night Special" is an anti-gun violence song...."That Smell" is anti-addiction (both drugs and alcohol)....."Sweet Home Alabama" is just answering Neil Young's "Southern Man" and "Alabama", explaining that not everyone in the South had a set of white sheets with eye-holes in them...."The Ballad of Curtis Low" is an homage to a local black man who taught one of the boys to play the guitar.....real white supremacy in action there. :rolleyes:

no shit. i read that and wondered if im listening to the right lynyrd skynyrd. im trying very hard to recall their big KKK anthem... it's not coming to me...

soulsinging

ryan198 wrote:

Two things...1. Neil Young definitely understood that not everyone in Alabama was like that ("You've got a wheel in the ditch, and a wheel on the track") .... "in Birmingham they love the govenor...boom...boom...boom" and "Watergate does not bother me, does your conscious bother you" are two lines that could quite easily be used to contest your notion of it. Further, as Green Day said on their little VH1 number, "once the song is out in public you lose the power to shape the meaning on your own", and if you look at how Skynard fans react to this song, especially in old videos you will not think it's such a progressive song - flying the southern battle cross and all that jazz.

you're right... 2 lines in their entire catalogue clearly makes them white supremacists. my bad.

let's play a game, let's cherry pick as many lines as we can to make bands racist.

i think pearl jam are fundamentalist christians... they have a song about "let's call in an angel." clearly, they hate homos and everyone else and want to establish a theocracy in preparation for the end times.

this logic is fun

ryan198

soulsinging wrote:

you're right... 2 lines in their entire catalogue clearly makes them white supremacists. my bad.

let's play a game, let's cherry pick as many lines as we can to make bands racist.

i think pearl jam are fundamentalist christians... they have a song about "let's call in an angel." clearly, they hate homos and everyone else and want to establish a theocracy in preparation for the end times.

this logic is fun

while it is arguable that lynard skynard is/is not a band of white supremacists (having the southern battle cross as part of your logo does help my argument a bit), there is clearly no denying that the way the song has been perceived and celebrated, especially in its early incarnations, clearly celebrated a White South...it's really not even close. Go on youtube and watch it, you'll see a bunch of white people flying the southern battle flag (which during that time and before was about the preservation of segregation in the south ... this is quite clear).

Now, we can surely play this game with Pearl Jam, however they have often come out against racism, sexism, etc. and yet I have read people on threads here saying that as a black fan had a white male sing "Not for you" to them in reference to the idea that Pearl Jam is not for them. Is this the same as Lynard Skynard fans flying the southern battle flag? I suppose to a degree, but the way "Not For You" and "Sweet Home Alabama" have been used by widespread audiences is not the same, at least from what I have seen.

yieldtome

ryan198 wrote:

while it is arguable that lynard skynard is/is not a band of white supremacists (having the southern battle cross as part of your logo does help my argument a bit), there is clearly no denying that the way the song has been perceived and celebrated, especially in its early incarnations, clearly celebrated a White South...it's really not even close. Go on youtube and watch it, you'll see a bunch of white people flying the southern battle flag (which during that time and before was about the preservation of segregation in the south ... this is quite clear).

Now, we can surely play this game with Pearl Jam, however they have often come out against racism, sexism, etc. and yet I have read people on threads here saying that as a black fan had a white male sing "Not for you" to them in reference to the idea that Pearl Jam is not for them. Is this the same as Lynard Skynard fans flying the southern battle flag? I suppose to a degree, but the way "Not For You" and "Sweet Home Alabama" have been used by widespread audiences is not the same, at least from what I have seen.

God, you are so ignorant about Lynyrd Skynyrd, and the dichotomy of southern pride versus the racist connotation of some of the confederate symbols (not to mention irony as a poetic device in songs), that I find it difficult to take your stance on any issue seriously. I believe you must be born and raised in the south to truly understand that there is a unique culture and heritage that we as southerners are intensely proud of, while being torn by the ugliness that stains the legacy. But back on topic...Zach De La Rocha is still spouting ill-conceived rhetoric, which frankly makes him look hypocritical, blind, or just plain stupid.

verb_to_trust

RISE!

RISE!

................RISE!

haha

markymark550

ryan198 wrote:

while it is arguable that lynard skynard is/is not a band of white supremacists (having the southern battle cross as part of your logo does help my argument a bit), there is clearly no denying that the way the song has been perceived and celebrated, especially in its early incarnations, clearly celebrated a White South...it's really not even close. Go on youtube and watch it, you'll see a bunch of white people flying the southern battle flag (which during that time and before was about the preservation of segregation in the south ... this is quite clear).

Now, we can surely play this game with Pearl Jam, however they have often come out against racism, sexism, etc. and yet I have read people on threads here saying that as a black fan had a white male sing "Not for you" to them in reference to the idea that Pearl Jam is not for them. Is this the same as Lynard Skynard fans flying the southern battle flag? I suppose to a degree, but the way "Not For You" and "Sweet Home Alabama" have been used by widespread audiences is not the same, at least from what I have seen.

wow....you are really talking out of your ass on this issue

I would try to explain it, but tybird, soulsinging, and yieldtome have done a good job already and there's no need to rehash what they've already posted.

soulsinging

ryan198 wrote:

while it is arguable that lynard skynard is/is not a band of white supremacists (having the southern battle cross as part of your logo does help my argument a bit), there is clearly no denying that the way the song has been perceived and celebrated, especially in its early incarnations, clearly celebrated a White South...it's really not even close. Go on youtube and watch it, you'll see a bunch of white people flying the southern battle flag (which during that time and before was about the preservation of segregation in the south ... this is quite clear).

Now, we can surely play this game with Pearl Jam, however they have often come out against racism, sexism, etc. and yet I have read people on threads here saying that as a black fan had a white male sing "Not for you" to them in reference to the idea that Pearl Jam is not for them. Is this the same as Lynard Skynard fans flying the southern battle flag? I suppose to a degree, but the way "Not For You" and "Sweet Home Alabama" have been used by widespread audiences is not the same, at least from what I have seen.

did you see the youtube video posted on here recently that sued do the evolution to imply that blacks were inferior? does the fan reaction make the band racist? just becos a segment of the lynyrd skynyrd audience might be racist and respond to the songs thus does not make the band white supremacists. much as i think it's stupid to wave the confederate flag, i understand that it's not about racism to southerners. the song is about loving their home state despite its flaws. in fact, you misquoted the lyrics dude: "in birmingham they love the governor, boo hoo hoo, now we all did what we could do." hardly sounds like a white supremacist statement to me. sounds more like a "we fucked up, but let's put it behind it and stop using it to justify our prejudice against all southerners as ignorant racists."

the reason lynyrd skynyrd fans show up like that is becos skynyrd is their band. they're one of the only bands to play southern rock for and by southerners. they sound southern, they have the influences. it's like all the goths turning up at marilyn manson shows. dyou assume all manson fans are satan-worshipping evildoers? no, it's just a community that grew up around the band. all skynyrd is is a rallying point... this is our band, our heritage, and our music. it's got nothing to do with racism and everything to do community.

in fact, if you look closer, skynyrd was very active in deconstructing the southern machismo. plenty of songs were written against that gun-slinging good ole boy lifestyle... songs that deplored the careless violence and love of fighting. if a large part of their audience doesnt get that, it's no more their fault than it is pearl jam's fault that 75% of the pearl at a pearl jam concert in 92 singing along to jeremy were the same kind of jock fratboys that caused the tragedy inspiring the song.

nowayimfaithfull

Cheguevara6 wrote:

Oh how I wish i was at Rock the Bells. Zack dropped this bomb at the show!

"we need to rise up like the youth in Iraq and bring these fuckers to their knees"

And he said the band and he refuse to back down from calling for Bush to be tried and hung

There are very few people I agree with more in the world than Zack

Its a question of what we as a generation decide to do. Are we willing to graduate, get married have kids, buy our white houses and white picket fences. Or are we going to refuse that, and say "hey thats not how it works"

Bush is a murderer and killer and a war criminal.

And the only way to stop the goddamn war, isnt to go gaga for Obama or Hillary. They aint gonna end it folks.

As Ben Harper said "there are two ways things change. 1)people say "hey I aint going to stand for you putting your boots on my chest any more, and rising up or 2) manhattan being submerged in water due to global warming, or a similar crazy event. And he further stated, its past time for reform.

We need to rise up. Rise! RISE! This system doesnt give a crap about you. And if you think Obama and hilary give a damn about you you must be high on meth.

RISE!

you would be hiding under the sheets

jsaso

when will this thread end
zach doesnt know shit about the world, bono doesnt know shit..
i dont know shit

sj.brodie

verb_to_trust wrote:

To me, its about the music......and thats what a lot of people tend to forget.

I persoanlly don't get into bands because they voted for the same candidate as me, or planted a bunch of trees somehwere...

at the end of the day if the music sucks i'm not interested

This is the only relevant post here. Take the revolutionary talk into 'a moving train' and keep it clean.

thelowlightargentina

Cheguevara6 wrote:

Oh how I wish i was at Rock the Bells. Zack dropped this bomb at the show!

"we need to rise up like the youth in Iraq and bring these fuckers to their knees"

And he said the band and he refuse to back down from calling for Bush to be tried and hung

There are very few people I agree with more in the world than Zack

Its a question of what we as a generation decide to do. Are we willing to graduate, get married have kids, buy our white houses and white picket fences. Or are we going to refuse that, and say "hey thats not how it works"

Bush is a murderer and killer and a war criminal.

And the only way to stop the goddamn war, isnt to go gaga for Obama or Hillary. They aint gonna end it folks.

As Ben Harper said "there are two ways things change. 1)people say "hey I aint going to stand for you putting your boots on my chest any more, and rising up or 2) manhattan being submerged in water due to global warming, or a similar crazy event. And he further stated, its past time for reform.

We need to rise up. Rise! RISE! This system doesnt give a crap about you. And if you think Obama and hilary give a damn about you you must be high on meth.

RISE!

Great post, we need this kind of message and music