Zack De La Rocha continues to call for revolution

DOSW

soulsinging wrote:

becos he's onstage calling for a violent and bloody revolution... while he is onstage making money talking about it. he's got enough $. why isn't he in the streets of dc gunning people down? cos he's full of shit and his revolution talk is just part of his image.

Or maybe if he started gunning people down, he'd be thrown in jail for life and boom, that would be the end of his attempts at starting a fire. If he tried to start a revolution right now, it would die before it ever started. Do you think he's a moron or something? If he had the right support behind him, then he could very well do it. I'm not saying he definitely would, because I don't know him. But all signs point to it.

Kraven

If theres one person Id want to be around right now, it would be John Lennon.

jeffbr

soulsinging wrote:

becos he's onstage calling for a violent and bloody revolution... while he is onstage making money talking about it. he's got enough $. why isn't he in the streets of dc gunning people down? cos he's full of shit and his revolution talk is just part of his image.

Perfectly stated.

I have no issue with his opposition to the current administration. I have no issue with his opposition to the war. I have no issue with the music - in fact I like much of it. But some fans need to figure it out - he's an entertainer who has been taliking shit for years.

Let's turn it around and send it back to those who think he's "the man." What specific revolutionary actions has Zack taken which lead you to believe he's the real deal?

soulsinging

DOSW wrote:

Or maybe if he started gunning people down, he'd be thrown in jail for life and boom, that would be the end of his attempts at starting a fire. If he tried to start a revolution right now, it would die before it ever started. Do you think he's a moron or something? If he had the right support behind him, then he could very well do it. I'm not saying he definitely would, because I don't know him. But all signs point to it.

the right support? what would qualify as the right support? he's had 7 years and for most of it he was nowhere to be seen. suddenly audioslave breaks up and he's screaming revolution. if he were so devoted, what was he doing the other 5 years? apparently not planning a revolution.

all im saying is if he wants to praise iraqi insurgents then he should stop preaching and pick up a weapon and put his money and actions where his mouth is. and this is coming from a ralph nader supporting, george bush hating, anti-iraq war from the day we invaded afghanistan liberal. he's blowing hot air and preaching dorm room politics that help burnouts everywhere feel like they're edgy and sticking it to the man by listening to ratm and hanging a che poster next to the marley-blunt one in their dorm and trying to grow dreadlocks.

lucylespian

soulsinging wrote:

becos he's onstage calling for a violent and bloody revolution... while he is onstage making money talking about it. he's got enough $. why isn't he in the streets of dc gunning people down? cos he's full of shit and his revolution talk is just part of his image.

Oh how true this is.

Do any of you think RATM would have got back together if none of this terrorist/war shit was going on ??


It's just more marketting !!
Plus, ironically, after teh revolution he wants, anyone calling for destruction of the then current government would be shot down. That's where the true hipocrisy lies.

Zach would not be able to exist in teh world he is calling for, nor would our mate Che the thread starter.

markymark550

soulsinging wrote:

the right support? what would qualify as the right support? he's had 7 years and for most of it he was nowhere to be seen. suddenly audioslave breaks up and he's screaming revolution. if he were so devoted, what was he doing the other 5 years? apparently not planning a revolution.

he was working on his hip-hop career during that time....

eamonpatrick

Cheguevara6 wrote:

Oh how I wish i was at Rock the Bells. Zack dropped this bomb at the show!

"we need to rise up like the youth in Iraq and bring these fuckers to their knees"

And he said the band and he refuse to back down from calling for Bush to be tried and hung

There are very few people I agree with more in the world than Zack

Its a question of what we as a generation decide to do. Are we willing to graduate, get married have kids, buy our white houses and white picket fences. Or are we going to refuse that, and say "hey thats not how it works"

Bush is a murderer and killer and a war criminal.

And the only way to stop the goddamn war, isnt to go gaga for Obama or Hillary. They aint gonna end it folks.

As Ben Harper said "there are two ways things change. 1)people say "hey I aint going to stand for you putting your boots on my chest any more, and rising up or 2) manhattan being submerged in water due to global warming, or a similar crazy event. And he further stated, its past time for reform.

We need to rise up. Rise! RISE! This system doesnt give a crap about you. And if you think Obama and hilary give a damn about you you must be high on meth.

RISE!

VIVA LA REVOLUCION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

soulsinging

markymark550 wrote:

he was working on his hip-hop career during that time....

maybe he should have been working on building his guerilla army if he's so gung ho on a revolution... but that might cut into his profit margin i suppose.

dg1979us

soulsinging wrote:

becos he's onstage calling for a violent and bloody revolution... while he is onstage making money talking about it. he's got enough $. why isn't he in the streets of dc gunning people down? cos he's full of shit and his revolution talk is just part of his image.

A limousine revolutionaire. I like the band, but it is impossible to take these guys seriously on any type of revolutionary message.

scot88

soulsinging wrote:

he's blowing hot air and preaching dorm room politics that help burnouts everywhere feel like they're edgy and sticking it to the man by listening to ratm and hanging a che poster next to the marley-blunt one in their dorm and trying to grow dreadlocks.

you deserve a medal for that statement. absolutley spot on.

Character Zero

Kraven wrote:

If theres one person Id want to be around right now, it would be John Lennon.

You said it. I love Rage Against the Machine, and I like their ideals, in all honesty I do but a violent revolution simply won't work in these times in a country like the US. Things like tanks, planes etc. that civillians just don't have will squash a revolution in minutes and secondly, violence breeds violence not peace, it always has and it always will.

John Lennon was a true visionary and a real revolutionary. He had the american people actually pushing for peace, in a non-violent, diplomatic way. He urged people to voice their opinions, vote and bring about change through unity not uprising and the government was SCARED SHITLESS of John Lennon. This government doesn't give a fuck about Rage Against the Machine. Politicians make their money off making somebody miserable, big business and military strength, pushing for peace strikes the heart of all of those and is far more terrifying for politicians than playing into their hands with a violent upbringing.

"All We are Saying, Is Give Peace a Chance"

Yellow Bedwetter

Listen to the Smashing Pumpkins new song:
United States
It's a great 9min song on the new album about Revolution.

Danimal

Is McDonalds going to sponser this Revolution? If so, I'm in....

Kann

lucylespian wrote:

Oh how true this is.

Do any of you think RATM would have got back together if none of this terrorist/war shit was going on ??
It's just more marketting !!

That's unfair for ratm. It's possible they wouldn't have gotten back together without the terror/war piece going on. But it is possible the reason isn't for marketing purposes.

Never once I have doubted that Zach (as well as the other members) is genuinely pissed off. And most of his fans are pissed off as well. And he is pissed off at the society, and now he is pissed off enough against the admnistration that he got his band back together (which btw was the best music news in a long time). He probably won't die throwing molotov cocktails at the white house while screamin "viva la revolucion" but you can't deny the anger (and rage) of this band is real.

And the anger that his fans feel find an answer in his lyrics and his speeches. So maybe they won't die throwing molotov cocktails at the white house either but at least they'll try and see through the constant flow of bs around us and act to change some things around them. And all of this make them more than just the money lovin pricks you turn them out to be.

RoundTheFrontWay

Cheguevara6 wrote:

Bush is a murderer and killer and a war criminal.

We need to rise up. Rise! RISE! This system doesnt give a crap about you. And if you think Obama and hilary give a damn about you you must be high on meth.

RISE!

Wow dude. I'm not a big fan of Bush and I understand your apathy with there not being much to choose from amongst politicians in the two major parties but you are an idiot.

If you think Bush is a murderer and war criminal why don't you actually learn about your namesake Che Guevera. You heard him mentioned in song and saw the cool t-shirts of him and think he was a great visionary of change. Why don't you ask the Cuban people what they think of him. He only slaughtered and tortured their families by the 100s. Then he went on to wreak havoc in South America and accomplished nothing positive.

That Castro revolution worked real well too as now instead of there being haves and have nots in Cuba there are only have nots with the exception of Castro's inner circle. I'll take my white house and picket fence any day.

Feel free to continue toking on your joints and proselytizing about things you know nothing about though.

jsaso

musician should just play music they dont know shit about the world

josevolution

Vedd Hedd wrote:

You know, I actually agree with some of what you have to say, but as an owner of a house and a fence, Im a little put off by that statement.

I see no reason why we cannot simply be politically active, while also working to support a family and home.

...and a white picket fence, or whatever icono-50's imagery that represents to you.

yeah i agree i own a house have 2 kids no fence but i make sure i get my ass to the voting booth to all the elections i can vote at and i've worked hard at getting that house so yeah i don't agree with that statement or zach's views .....

Rhinocerous Surprise

jsaso wrote:

musician should just play music they dont know shit about the world

So writers should just write novels/poems, and not worry about the world at large? The problem isn't that musicians write about "the world", it's that they take a very simplistic view of the problems they tackle. Which is probably a necessity for a 4 minute rock song. Ne'ertheless, I'd prefer that musicians write about something they care about, rather than studiously avoiding writing about "the world".

Lifted

pjl44 wrote:

What's stupid is calling for Bush to be hung. It's stupid because it never could/should happen. It's also stupid because anyone continuing to call out Bush and not Cheney as the ultimate instigator of 90% of our woes either can't read or is too lazy to do so.

Our political troubles continue to be fueled by your Ann Coulters, Zach de la Rochas, Bill O'Reillys and Michael Moores. Provocate your masses with the most insane shit you can spew out of your mouth rather than sit down with the "bad guys" on "the other team" and discuss REAL issues with an eye toward REAL solutions.

Or you can just paint a swastika on George Bush's head and tell yourself you're making a difference...

agreed 100%. i like rage as a band, but come on. what the hell have they ever done to make the world a better place. shut the fuck up.

josevolution

does anybody remember GHANDHI he preached non violence to get his point across and it worked ......