Anyone else hoping for less politics this tour??

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  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    Dollpartz wrote:
    Ed calling Bush an asshole would simply be overstating the obvious, I think they will focus instead on pumping the crowd up to get out and vote for Obama in November!

    Again ... he can do what he wants. But there aren't a hell of a lot of people going to the show who will be like, "I wasn't sure who to vote for when I walked in here tonight. But this long-haired dude with the baritone voice says I should vote for Obama. So that's what I'll do!"

    It doesn't offend me if Ed wants to tell me who to vote for. I just don't see the point.
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  • Whywhyzed
    Whywhyzed Posts: 270
    slightofjeff wrote:
    Again ... he can do what he wants. But there aren't a hell of a lot of people going to the show who will be like, "I wasn't sure who to vote for when I walked in here tonight. But this long-haired dude with the baritone voice says I should vote for Obama. So that's what I'll do!"

    It doesn't offend me if Ed wants to tell me who to vote for. I just don't see the point.

    It's more the people who weren't going to vote for anyone, methinks.

    1st post, yay.
  • Brez
    Brez Posts: 570
    It's an election year.
    And before his first step... He's off again...
  • JP2026766
    JP2026766 Posts: 1,125
    I have no problem with the band being political, as long as they don't go overboard with it, it's fine by me. If they say anything, I'd expect something like "We support Obama, but what's most important is that you go out and vote"

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  • bicyclejoe
    bicyclejoe USA Posts: 1,203
    MattyJoe wrote:
    Wrong. Art is emotion.

    I'm guessing you don't know much about art history or rock 'n' roll history then.

    For all of you wanting a rock band without politics or subversive lyrics, a band that doesn't make you think about anything but getting drunk, laid and high, may I direct you to the Kiss Arm web site.
    My Pearl Jam Road: 10/22/90 Seattle | 12/22/90 Seattle, Moore Theater | 9/29/92 Seattle, Magnusson Park, Drop in the Park | 9/5/93 The Gorge, with Neil Young and Blind Melon | 7/20/06 Portland, Arlene Schnitzer Concert Hall with Sleater-Kinney | 7/22/06 The Gorge, 10/21/06 Mountain View, Shoreline Ampitheatre, Bridge School Benefit | 9/21/09 Seattle | 9/22/09 Seattle | 9/26/09 Portland, OR | 7/14/2011 Eddie Vedder, Portland, OR | 11/29/13 Portland, OR
  • slightofjeff
    slightofjeff Posts: 7,762
    bicyclejoe wrote:
    I'm guessing you don't know much about art history or rock 'n' roll history then.

    So every song in the history of rock n roll is political?

    "I Wanna Hold Your Hand" -- political?
    "Surfin' Safari" -- political?
    "I Can't Get No Satisfaction" -- political?
    "I Wanna Be Sedated" -- political?
    "Cat Scratch Fever" -- political?
    "Elderly Woman Behind the Counter in a Small Town" -- political?

    No, they are not. Not every rock song springs from politics. Not all art springs from politics.

    Art springs from feeling and emotion, and is a reflection of that feeling and emotion. A slice of that emotion can come from politics, sure, but there is a whole palate of inspiration out there apart from politics as well. Love, hate, anger, etc etc etc.

    So to say art = politics is actually to be very limiting of what art can be about. If PJ believed that, they wouldn't play about 3/4 of their catalogue.
    everybody wants the most they can possibly get
    for the least they could possibly do
  • Tremendous Upside
    Tremendous Upside Posts: 118
    People who want to strip politics out of Pearl Jam miss the point

    They have ALWAYS tackled the tough issues and put their political viewpoint out there

    Choose to listen but not agree, fine

    But to reject the political aspects of Pearl Jam is to reject the band itself
  • Tremendous Upside
    Tremendous Upside Posts: 118
    slightofjeff wrote:
    So every song in the history of rock n roll is political?

    "I Wanna Hold Your Hand" -- political?
    "Surfin' Safari" -- political?
    "I Can't Get No Satisfaction" -- political?
    "I Wanna Be Sedated" -- political?
    "Cat Scratch Fever" -- political?
    "Elderly Woman Behind the Counter in a Small Town" -- political?

    No, they are not. Not every rock song springs from politics. Not all art springs from politics.

    Art springs from feeling and emotion, and is a reflection of that feeling and emotion. A slice of that emotion can come from politics, sure, but there is a whole palate of inspiration out there apart from politics as well. Love, hate, anger, etc etc etc.

    So to say art = politics is actually to be very limiting of what art can be about. If PJ believed that, they wouldn't play about 3/4 of their catalogue.

    Art in of itself doesn't equal politics, but I would argue that PJ's political worldview informs all of their music

    And that worldview is not some static thing to point to and say "look, that's what Pearl Jam believes"

    It is a constantly changing and evolving manifestation of their desire to make this planet a better, safer, sturdier place than they found it

    And not agreeing with a particular viewpoint or two seems like a pretty petty criticism of the band

    Open your mind to what PJ and everyone else has to say, do some research, and make up your own mind
  • ramblinpony
    ramblinpony Posts: 115
    I hope they decide to only do speeches on this tour.

    No songs, just rants.
  • orig_long red
    orig_long red Posts: 2,029
    I prefer shows not be ruined by Ed's political feelings. He's obviously allowed to have any opinions he wants, but just keep that stuff out of MSG this year. At Uniondale '03, I witnessed a great PJ show deteriorate into boos and thrown change and a shortened encore. Never again, please.
    Jam out with your clam out.
  • NY PJ1
    NY PJ1 Posts: 9,533
    long red wrote:
    I prefer shows not be ruined by Ed's political feelings. He's obviously allowed to have any opinions he wants, but just keep that stuff out of MSG this year. At Uniondale '03, I witnessed a great PJ show deteriorate into boos and thrown change and a shortened encore. Never again, please.


    that was such a blazing main set ,,, dam u vedder
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,827
    NY PJ1 wrote:
    that was such a blazing main set ,,, dam u vedder

    i know your stance on this subject j and yeah it might of been too soon to get on the leader of this country but really the cluless were in full force that night and after all ed was correct .....
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  • NY PJ1
    NY PJ1 Posts: 9,533
    josevolution wrote:
    i know your stance on this subject j and yeah it might of been too soon to get on the leader of this country but really the cluless were in full force that night and after all ed was correct .....


    its a waste to debate because i was directly affected (very hard by 911)
    i lost over 100 friends family and co-workers

    so i just didnt want to hear about bush that night


    in hindsight yes he's a fool...... but that night i just wanted music and it was pearl jam at their very best in the main set and poof it was gone
  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,827
    NY PJ1 wrote:
    its a waste to debate because i was directly affected (very hard by 911)
    i lost over 100 friends family and co-workers

    so i just didnt want to hear about bush that night


    in hindsight yes he's a fool...... but that night i just wanted music and it was pearl jam at their very best in the main set and poof it was gone

    i hear you bro i can't deny that we just needed music ....and i agree it was probably the hottest set i had witnessed up to that point in the tour ....i expect even more passion this time ....ok i'm off to work
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • NY PJ1
    NY PJ1 Posts: 9,533
    josevolution wrote:
    i hear you bro i can't deny that we just needed music ....and i agree it was probably the hottest set i had witnessed up to that point in the tour ....i expect even more passion this time ....ok i'm off to work


    it was a blazing set lol

    later dude

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