Anyone else hoping for less politics this tour??

meme

MattyJoe wrote:

We can say goodbye to our prosperous economy if all of Obama's idea come to fruition. The only reason most of you are voting for him is because of the Iraq war. I agree that we shouldn't be there, but I am also well aware of what else Obama believes in.

National Healthcare certainly has good intention behind it, I can't fault him or other Democrats for that, but it just won't work. Subsidizing insurance costs is only the first stage of his plan. He eventually wants to nationalize the entire system, like Canada. The quality of the healthcare will be significantly reduced, the traditional government bureaucracy will overrun the system causing extensive waits and backups for surgeries and doctor visits, medical breakthroughs will hardly ever occur in the United States anymore, doctors will no longer be private practicing, they'll be government employees earning much less than they are now; all of these things are fostered by competition between businesses which would be eliminated by National Healthcare. By no means do I think I deserve good healthcare just because I have the ability to pay while others get nothing. I just don't think this is the solution.

You haven't made an argument though, just baseless speculation. Things work reasonably well in many countries with universal health care coverage. And they work for everyone.

panthergirl

binauralonthecape wrote:

there seems to be more and more liberal spew each tour, and with this year being an election year, i"m guessing eddie will have something to say, so who else is tired of it???

no, not tired of it. agree with it.
hope to hear more of it.

you gotta expect it with it being an election year.
hope you (and anyone who disagrees with it) can respect the person who is speaking and refrain from yelling comments such as "shut up and sing"

that is just totally obnoxious.

patrickredeyes

binauralonthecape wrote:

there seems to be more and more liberal spew each tour, and with this year being an election year, i"m guessing eddie will have something to say, so who else is tired of it???

It's all just part of going to a PJ show.

LloydChristmas

I love his rants...its a perfect time to grab another drink and have a bathroom break without missing any songs.

electronblue

POT ~ Politics On Tour

even though i d:Dn't indulge...~

swallowedwords

I'm definitely no liberal. I consider myself Libertarian, and if you look at my signature, you'll see who I thought would've made the best choice for President. Anyway, Ed's left wing rants never really bothered me. I actually really like what he's done for the West Memphis Three.

So, go ahead and rant about politics, Ed. Just wrap it up quickly

_Crazy_Mary_

smithnic wrote:

I'm hoping for 10X more to get you people who don't like it to leave! It's a political band and always has been! I love it!! Someone needs to say something, and DO something. If you don't like it, why are you a fan of the band?

Wow, how very open-minded of you. :rolleyes:

I love pearl jam's music but disagree 100% with them politically. hmmm... how is that possible?

I, too, hope Eddie can keep his hate-speech to himself.

Carlos D

I don't care but I thought the thing on VH1 Storytellers was quite embarrassing,when it gets to the point that Ed feels like skipping over the story of Betterman to talk shite about Dick Cheney you know the whole politics thing needs to take a back seat for a while.The only worthwhile thing on that show was the story about Alive and how it affected him.

So by all means,talk politics......but too much of it and people just stop listening.

CitizenRick

Just an FYI....Pearl Jam=liberal politics (17+ years)

It's what they do...it's what fuels their fire...like it or not.

I hope he rants more than usual...we are in dire straits here and those on the fence need to step up and help get rid of the "Bush era" policies and ideals.

Rant away Ed!

homeratbat

binauralonthecape wrote:

there seems to be more and more liberal spew each tour, and with this year being an election year, i"m guessing eddie will have something to say, so who else is tired of it???

not i...

josevolution

i wan't you guys to come to your senses !!!! ...:D

MattyJoe

swallowedwords wrote:

I'm definitely no liberal. I consider myself Libertarian, and if you look at my signature, you'll see who I thought would've made the best choice for President. Anyway, Ed's left wing rants never really bothered me. I actually really like what he's done for the West Memphis Three.

So, go ahead and rant about politics, Ed. Just wrap it up quickly

Nice. I can deal with libertarians. Actually this country would be WAY better off if it was more libertarian.

slightofjeff

I think the "liberal spew" of which you speak has become vastly overrated. I went to five shows on the last tour. The only political comment I can really think of from those five shows was a dedication of "Fuckin' Up" to our president, vice president and secretary of defense.

And that was it.

Maybe there was more on the Vote for Change Tour, but I didn't go to any shows then.

So, what I'm saying is, I think you've exaggerated the length and frequency of this "liberal spew" or "rants" or whatever you'd like to call them.

slightofjeff

Speakers wrote:

McCain is way more evil than Obama.

Two thoughts:

1) How could you possibly claim to know this?

and 2) "Evil?!?" Really? That's the word you're going for. "Evil?!?" Political discourse is difficult enough in this country without one side or the other stooping to ridiculous melodramatics.

I'll leave it there, lest this thread beg to be moved to the Train ... Go Pearl Jam!

angryyoungman

binauralonthecape wrote:

there seems to be more and more liberal spew each tour, and with this year being an election year, i"m guessing eddie will have something to say, so who else is tired of it???

honestly dude, i don't think this is the band for you. . .go to a nickelback show, im sure they don't say anything political there

bas

MattyJoe wrote:

We can say goodbye to our prosperous economy if all of Obama's idea come to fruition. The only reason most of you are voting for him is because of the Iraq war. I agree that we shouldn't be there, but I am also well aware of what else Obama believes in.

National Healthcare certainly has good intention behind it, I can't fault him or other Democrats for that, but it just won't work. Subsidizing insurance costs is only the first stage of his plan. He eventually wants to nationalize the entire system, like Canada. The quality of the healthcare will be significantly reduced, the traditional government bureaucracy will overrun the system causing extensive waits and backups for surgeries and doctor visits, medical breakthroughs will hardly ever occur in the United States anymore, doctors will no longer be private practicing, they'll be government employees earning much less than they are now; all of these things are fostered by competition between businesses which would be eliminated by National Healthcare. By no means do I think I deserve good healthcare just because I have the ability to pay while others get nothing. I just don't think this is the solution.

There already are extensive waits and backups for surgeries, specialists, ER visits, PCP visits, and I think we (doctors) no longer practice privately since we are controlled by insurance agencies, HMOs - diagnostic tests and treatments are controlled by them.

ONCE DEVIDED

odnt like what he has to say dont go

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

i would rather he keep the politics in his drunken rants and out of his lyrics from now on, and keep it to a couple of minutes, please. I could go the rest of my life without hearing such 'gems' as No More War, Army Reserve, and Bushleaguer.

Of course, he wont, but its all good. i need a pee break anyway.

angryyoungman

MrSmith wrote:

i would rather he keep the politics in his drunken rants and out of his lyrics from now on, and keep it to a couple of minutes, please. I could go the rest of my life without hearing such 'gems' as No More War, Army Reserve, and Bushleaguer.

Of course, he wont, but its all good. i need a pee break anyway.

another guy who should go to a nickelback show. . .again, i don't think this is the band for you

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

angryyoungman wrote:

another guy who should go to a nickelback show. . .again, i don't think this is the band for you

you dont know what the fuck you are talking about, little one.

Kingmidget

Lizardking wrote:

If you want PJ to stop talking poliitics, then maybe you are missing what Pearl Jam are about this point of there career? It would be like asking John Lennon not to voice his opinion, not happening.

Bingo! Lady with the purple hair, give me back my blotter dammit!! (

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

The whole time i'm thinking to myself ,"goddamnit they could be playing Immortality right now instead of preaching to the choir!"

oh i dont expect him to change now, and it doesnt really bother me that much, and i even agree with him for the most part. still dont like it though. The music makes up for it.

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

oh yeah, it seems that he has scaled the political stuff back a lot lately. And he generally seems to be more respectful than before.

so i dont agree that it has gotten more political.

angryyoungman

MrSmith wrote:

you dont know what the fuck you are talking about, little one.

really? but you're the one who's been listening to pearl jam and thinking they are ac/dc or aerosmith or something. . .i think i have a pretty good idea of what im talking about if you dont mind me saying

swallowedwords

MattyJoe wrote:

Nice. I can deal with libertarians. Actually this country would be WAY better off if it was more libertarian.

Very true! Unfortunately, too many Americans are lemmings. I actually considered myself a Republican before Bush.

Smellyman2

"Are you ready to rock New York!!!!!"

can't wait till they dumb down their shows and save me the 5 xtra minutes of torture.

Then the shows will Rock!!!!

LikeAnOpeningBandForTheSun

angryyoungman wrote:

really? but you're the one who's been listening to pearl jam and thinking they are ac/dc or aerosmith or something. . .i think i have a pretty good idea of what im talking about if you dont mind me saying

huh? i dont think they are some AC/DC band. I know what i'm getting when i go to a show. I dont have to like everything to like the rest. I can go, listen to the music, go get a beer when goes into his drunken rants, and generally enjoy myself. its not that hard.

Smellyman2

MrSmith wrote:

huh? i dont think they are some AC/DC band. I know what i'm getting when i go to a show. I dont have to like everything to like the rest. I can go, listen to the music, go get a beer when goes into his drunken rants, and generally enjoy myself. its not that hard.

Then quit whining and take a pee and get your beer.

angryyoungman

Smellyman wrote:

"Are you ready to rock New York!!!!!"

can't wait till they dumb down their shows and save me the 5 xtra minutes of torture.

Then the shows will Rock!!!!

lol, some people don't get it

callen

binauralonthecape wrote:

there seems to be more and more liberal spew each tour, and with this year being an election year, i"m guessing eddie will have something to say, so who else is tired of it???

After what this country and subsequently the world went through after the last 8 years of the current administrations crap, would find it fitting Ed lets it rip. Going to DC in hopes he makes it political.