Voter ID

Tim Simmons

Best I can figure out is that its whether or not there are obstacles to people getting IDs (There are) or are some people just lazy (There are). Both can be true. 

Bentleyspop

Tim Simmons said:

Best I can figure out is that its whether or not there are obstacles to people getting IDs (There are) or are some people just lazy (There are). Both can be true. 

I recently forgot my ID  at a car rental place in Florida. They seemed unable to get it in an envelope and mail it to me.
I replaced it by going online to the Colorado state lic/reg site and renewed online. Eazy peazy.

But for some people getting a state issued ID is nowhere near that easy. Not everyone has their birth certificate or even their SS card readily available.  Or have a DMV located near to them.

If they're going to make the IDs mandatory then they need to male it easier to get them. For EVERYONE. 

Tim Simmons

I mean thats the bottom line for any of this. Get IDs into peoples hands. For anything. Not just voting.


But this "issue" is an issue because its not really about requiring IDs to vote (I know it comes across that way with the appeals to the public and among public conversations, like this thread), its really about preventing as many people who fall into certain categories who can vote from doing so. 

mace1229

Gern Blansten said:

I guarantee you she doesn't know where her fucking birth cert is

Neither do I. But I can get one, I've done it before. Would probably be easier to order a new one than to sort through the boxes in the crawl space where it probably is. 

I don't want to argue back and forth about your mother in law, so speaking in general of that age group. My grandma is in an assisted living and there are people there who can take residents to appointments and I'm pretty sure the DMV if needed. They also work with social workers who can help get help for that sort of thing too. Thats really the whole point of assisted living, and why it costs so much. If they don't assist you in those things, it's just an over-priced apartment that serves food. 
Also, some states offer homebound DMV visits, especially to facilities like nursing homes and assisted living facilities. My state offers homebound DMV visits, they just require a formal request to be paper mailed in and document a reason. 
You can also renew it online if a new picture is not needed.
My point is, where there's a will, there's a way. She would need one to update her will and power of attorney. It's not completely irrelevant for someone in her situation to still need an ID after they stop driving. Sure, it might be a hassle, but so are taxes. 
I agree requirements should be made far in advance. But I do think resources are available to those who need them. I've said before I don't agree with the SAVE act, but basic ID requirements are not unreasonable. As long as any changes are made far enough in advance. 

josevolution

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

I guarantee you she doesn't know where her fucking birth cert is

Neither do I. But I can get one, I've done it before. Would probably be easier to order a new one than to sort through the boxes in the crawl space where it probably is. 

I don't want to argue back and forth about your mother in law, so speaking in general of that age group. My grandma is in an assisted living and there are people there who can take residents to appointments and I'm pretty sure the DMV if needed. They also work with social workers who can help get help for that sort of thing too. Thats really the whole point of assisted living, and why it costs so much. If they don't assist you in those things, it's just an over-priced apartment that serves food. 
Also, some states offer homebound DMV visits, especially to facilities like nursing homes and assisted living facilities. My state offers homebound DMV visits, they just require a formal request to be paper mailed in and document a reason. 
You can also renew it online if a new picture is not needed.
My point is, where there's a will, there's a way. She would need one to update her will and power of attorney. It's not completely irrelevant for someone in her situation to still need an ID after they stop driving. Sure, it might be a hassle, but so are taxes. 
I agree requirements should be made far in advance. But I do think resources are available to those who need them. 

But but for the 2024 campaign no one was demanding this  then so why now? It’s the same as always when Republicans win elections they don’t question any votes but when Democrats win surely they must of cheated 

Halifax2TheMax

*The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Dems are against safe and secure elections and want non-citizens to vote.

Dems want to defund DHS-TSA, that’s why you had to wait in line or missed your flight.

Dems are for men playing in women’s sports.

Dems are for mutilating children.

There’s your campaign ads for September through election day. SCOTUS decision on mail in ballots by August, maybe as late as September.

Bentleyspop

Tim Simmons said:

I mean thats the bottom line for any of this. Get IDs into peoples hands. For anything. Not just voting.


But this "issue" is an issue because its not really about requiring IDs to vote (I know it comes across that way with the appeals to the public and among public conversations, like this thread), its really about preventing as many people who fall into certain categories who can vote from doing so. 

Exactly
Bottom line is that the retRUmplican party doesn't want anyone except white men to vote or to have access to vote.

Gern Blansten

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

I guarantee you she doesn't know where her fucking birth cert is

Neither do I. But I can get one, I've done it before. Would probably be easier to order a new one than to sort through the boxes in the crawl space where it probably is. 

I don't want to argue back and forth about your mother in law, so speaking in general of that age group. My grandma is in an assisted living and there are people there who can take residents to appointments and I'm pretty sure the DMV if needed. They also work with social workers who can help get help for that sort of thing too. Thats really the whole point of assisted living, and why it costs so much. If they don't assist you in those things, it's just an over-priced apartment that serves food. 
Also, some states offer homebound DMV visits, especially to facilities like nursing homes and assisted living facilities. My state offers homebound DMV visits, they just require a formal request to be paper mailed in and document a reason. 
You can also renew it online if a new picture is not needed.
My point is, where there's a will, there's a way. She would need one to update her will and power of attorney. It's not completely irrelevant for someone in her situation to still need an ID after they stop driving. Sure, it might be a hassle, but so are taxes. 
I agree requirements should be made far in advance. But I do think resources are available to those who need them. I've said before I don't agree with the SAVE act, but basic ID requirements are not unreasonable. As long as any changes are made far enough in advance. 

sure she could get a ride....it's still a hindrance, an obstacle to keep her from voting

why? to fit the narrative that the orange fuckhead vomits out regularly that some of you believe

Halifax2TheMax

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

I guarantee you she doesn't know where her fucking birth cert is

Neither do I. But I can get one, I've done it before. Would probably be easier to order a new one than to sort through the boxes in the crawl space where it probably is. 

I don't want to argue back and forth about your mother in law, so speaking in general of that age group. My grandma is in an assisted living and there are people there who can take residents to appointments and I'm pretty sure the DMV if needed. They also work with social workers who can help get help for that sort of thing too. Thats really the whole point of assisted living, and why it costs so much. If they don't assist you in those things, it's just an over-priced apartment that serves food. 
Also, some states offer homebound DMV visits, especially to facilities like nursing homes and assisted living facilities. My state offers homebound DMV visits, they just require a formal request to be paper mailed in and document a reason. 
You can also renew it online if a new picture is not needed.
My point is, where there's a will, there's a way. She would need one to update her will and power of attorney. It's not completely irrelevant for someone in her situation to still need an ID after they stop driving. Sure, it might be a hassle, but so are taxes. 
I agree requirements should be made far in advance. But I do think resources are available to those who need them. I've said before I don't agree with the SAVE act, but basic ID requirements are not unreasonable. As long as any changes are made far enough in advance. 

*The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Nice, selective edit. Talk about moving the goal posts.

Here’s what you said in Jose’s quote of your post:

I agree requirements should be made far in advance. But I do think resources are available to those who need them. 

And here’s what you posted previously:

 show previous quotes

I said in previous elections. The save act does not apply retroactively.  
I don't agree with all of the save act, but I do think there is nothing wrong with basic ID requirements. As Tempo pointed out, nobody is struggling to get a basic ID and who is willing and able to go out and vote.

Again, what part(s) of the SAVE Act do you agree with or is it now that you don’t agree with any of it? What’s the number of Americans managing their daily lives in the absence of valid government issued ID?

Tim Simmons

Halifax2TheMax said:

*The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Dems are against safe and secure elections and want non-citizens to vote.

Dems want to defund DHS-TSA, that’s why you had to wait in line or missed your flight.

Dems are for men playing in women’s sports.

Dems are for mutilating children.

There’s your campaign ads for September through election day. SCOTUS decision on mail in ballots by August, maybe as late as September.

Its a good thing the things this Admin are actually doing are way more unpopular with the median voter than any of these issues.

Halifax2TheMax

*The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

From Letter From An American:

The SAVE America Act Trump wants is pretty openly a voter suppression measure: voting by undocumented immigrants is already virtually nonexistent, and it is already illegal. And the Brookings Institution reported in 2025 that only about four cases of mail fraud occur per 10 million mail-in ballots, or 0.000043% of total mail ballots cast. But Republicans are using the idea of voter fraud to argue for measures that could toss more than 21 million Americans off the voter rolls. 

mace1229

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

I guarantee you she doesn't know where her fucking birth cert is

Neither do I. But I can get one, I've done it before. Would probably be easier to order a new one than to sort through the boxes in the crawl space where it probably is. 

I don't want to argue back and forth about your mother in law, so speaking in general of that age group. My grandma is in an assisted living and there are people there who can take residents to appointments and I'm pretty sure the DMV if needed. They also work with social workers who can help get help for that sort of thing too. Thats really the whole point of assisted living, and why it costs so much. If they don't assist you in those things, it's just an over-priced apartment that serves food. 
Also, some states offer homebound DMV visits, especially to facilities like nursing homes and assisted living facilities. My state offers homebound DMV visits, they just require a formal request to be paper mailed in and document a reason. 
You can also renew it online if a new picture is not needed.
My point is, where there's a will, there's a way. She would need one to update her will and power of attorney. It's not completely irrelevant for someone in her situation to still need an ID after they stop driving. Sure, it might be a hassle, but so are taxes. 
I agree requirements should be made far in advance. But I do think resources are available to those who need them. I've said before I don't agree with the SAVE act, but basic ID requirements are not unreasonable. As long as any changes are made far enough in advance. 

*The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Nice, selective edit. Talk about moving the goal posts.

Here’s what you said in Jose’s quote of your post:

I agree requirements should be made far in advance. But I do think resources are available to those who need them. 

And here’s what you posted previously:

 show previous quotes

I said in previous elections. The save act does not apply retroactively.  
I don't agree with all of the save act, but I do think there is nothing wrong with basic ID requirements. As Tempo pointed out, nobody is struggling to get a basic ID and who is willing and able to go out and vote.

Again, what part(s) of the SAVE Act do you agree with or is it now that you don’t agree with any of it? What’s the number of Americans managing their daily lives in the absence of valid government issued ID?

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to get out of what you bolded.

Yes, I agree if any changes are made, they should be made far in advance. I also believe there are resources available to those who need assistance in obtaining some documents. 

And yes, I also don't agree with all of the save act (I have said I think a basic ID is reasonable).

I'm not sure what you think is the big "gotcha" moment there. 

Thats not moving the goal posts. Moving the goal posts, for example, would be like claiming 21 million people not have a basic ID. But when asked for a source, quote data that shows 21 million people don't have a passport or citizenship paperwork, and claiming that the original number of 21 million was accurate, which is not the same thing. Thats moving the goal posts. Just an example I made up. See the difference?

I don't agree with having to show anything beyond a basic ID in order to register to vote. The majority of the country also agrees with that. I've said that several times, not sure how else to say that for you. Maybe I'll try again, I don't agree with having to show anything beyond a basic ID in order to register to vote. 

Halifax2TheMax

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

I guarantee you she doesn't know where her fucking birth cert is

Neither do I. But I can get one, I've done it before. Would probably be easier to order a new one than to sort through the boxes in the crawl space where it probably is. 

I don't want to argue back and forth about your mother in law, so speaking in general of that age group. My grandma is in an assisted living and there are people there who can take residents to appointments and I'm pretty sure the DMV if needed. They also work with social workers who can help get help for that sort of thing too. Thats really the whole point of assisted living, and why it costs so much. If they don't assist you in those things, it's just an over-priced apartment that serves food. 
Also, some states offer homebound DMV visits, especially to facilities like nursing homes and assisted living facilities. My state offers homebound DMV visits, they just require a formal request to be paper mailed in and document a reason. 
You can also renew it online if a new picture is not needed.
My point is, where there's a will, there's a way. She would need one to update her will and power of attorney. It's not completely irrelevant for someone in her situation to still need an ID after they stop driving. Sure, it might be a hassle, but so are taxes. 
I agree requirements should be made far in advance. But I do think resources are available to those who need them. I've said before I don't agree with the SAVE act, but basic ID requirements are not unreasonable. As long as any changes are made far enough in advance. 

*The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Nice, selective edit. Talk about moving the goal posts.

Here’s what you said in Jose’s quote of your post:

I agree requirements should be made far in advance. But I do think resources are available to those who need them. 

And here’s what you posted previously:

 show previous quotes

I said in previous elections. The save act does not apply retroactively.  
I don't agree with all of the save act, but I do think there is nothing wrong with basic ID requirements. As Tempo pointed out, nobody is struggling to get a basic ID and who is willing and able to go out and vote.

Again, what part(s) of the SAVE Act do you agree with or is it now that you don’t agree with any of it? What’s the number of Americans managing their daily lives in the absence of valid government issued ID?

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to get out of what you bolded.

Yes, I agree if any changes are made, they should be made far in advance. I also believe there are resources available to those who need assistance in obtaining some documents. 

And yes, I also don't agree with all of the save act (I have said I think a basic ID is reasonable).

I'm not sure what you think is the big "gotcha" moment there. 

Thats not moving the goal posts. Moving the goal posts, for example, would be like claiming 21 million people not have a basic ID. But when asked for a source, quote data that shows 21 million people don't have a passport or citizenship paperwork, and claiming that the original number of 21 million was accurate, which is not the same thing. Thats moving the goal posts. Just an example I made up. See the difference?

I don't agree with having to show anything beyond a basic ID in order to register to vote. The majority of the country also agrees with that. I've said that several times, not sure how else to say that for you. Maybe I'll try again, I don't agree with having to show anything beyond a basic ID in order to register to vote. 

*The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Now, you’re back to not agreeing with all of the SAVE Act. Again, for the 4th or 5th time, what part(s) of it are you for? Liking the transgender bans? Basic ID has nothing to do with it. And also, how many Americans are functioning in society without any form of government issued ID or is just those, whatever made up number that is, that are living under a pier? If my number was way off, what is it?

Love your minimization of disenfranchisement. Do you believe in states rights?

gimmesometruth27

is not having an id a crime?

if not, if this passes, it probably will be at some point.

mace1229

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

I guarantee you she doesn't know where her fucking birth cert is

Neither do I. But I can get one, I've done it before. Would probably be easier to order a new one than to sort through the boxes in the crawl space where it probably is. 

I don't want to argue back and forth about your mother in law, so speaking in general of that age group. My grandma is in an assisted living and there are people there who can take residents to appointments and I'm pretty sure the DMV if needed. They also work with social workers who can help get help for that sort of thing too. Thats really the whole point of assisted living, and why it costs so much. If they don't assist you in those things, it's just an over-priced apartment that serves food. 
Also, some states offer homebound DMV visits, especially to facilities like nursing homes and assisted living facilities. My state offers homebound DMV visits, they just require a formal request to be paper mailed in and document a reason. 
You can also renew it online if a new picture is not needed.
My point is, where there's a will, there's a way. She would need one to update her will and power of attorney. It's not completely irrelevant for someone in her situation to still need an ID after they stop driving. Sure, it might be a hassle, but so are taxes. 
I agree requirements should be made far in advance. But I do think resources are available to those who need them. I've said before I don't agree with the SAVE act, but basic ID requirements are not unreasonable. As long as any changes are made far enough in advance. 

sure she could get a ride....it's still a hindrance, an obstacle to keep her from voting

why? to fit the narrative that the orange fuckhead vomits out regularly that some of you believe

I don't think voter fraud is rampant enough to change an election. I'm sure there is fraud, but it's not by the millions. I also think showing a standard ID when voting and registering is completely reasonable. 
But I don't think a change should be effective immediately. Say maybe 5 years from now would be reasonable. I think my state already requires it though. 

It's not like people have to go through this process of getting their first ID every time they vote. At least in my state, non-driving IDs never expire for people over 65. So when you are done driving, renew your license one last time for a non-driving ID and you will never have to do it ever again even if you live to 104.
Anyone who doesn't currently have an ID has 5 years to figure out how to get the documents they need and get one. That seems more than reasonable to me. I really don't know what a valid argument against that would be.

mace1229

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

I guarantee you she doesn't know where her fucking birth cert is

Neither do I. But I can get one, I've done it before. Would probably be easier to order a new one than to sort through the boxes in the crawl space where it probably is. 

I don't want to argue back and forth about your mother in law, so speaking in general of that age group. My grandma is in an assisted living and there are people there who can take residents to appointments and I'm pretty sure the DMV if needed. They also work with social workers who can help get help for that sort of thing too. Thats really the whole point of assisted living, and why it costs so much. If they don't assist you in those things, it's just an over-priced apartment that serves food. 
Also, some states offer homebound DMV visits, especially to facilities like nursing homes and assisted living facilities. My state offers homebound DMV visits, they just require a formal request to be paper mailed in and document a reason. 
You can also renew it online if a new picture is not needed.
My point is, where there's a will, there's a way. She would need one to update her will and power of attorney. It's not completely irrelevant for someone in her situation to still need an ID after they stop driving. Sure, it might be a hassle, but so are taxes. 
I agree requirements should be made far in advance. But I do think resources are available to those who need them. I've said before I don't agree with the SAVE act, but basic ID requirements are not unreasonable. As long as any changes are made far enough in advance. 

*The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Nice, selective edit. Talk about moving the goal posts.

Here’s what you said in Jose’s quote of your post:

I agree requirements should be made far in advance. But I do think resources are available to those who need them. 

And here’s what you posted previously:

 show previous quotes

I said in previous elections. The save act does not apply retroactively.  
I don't agree with all of the save act, but I do think there is nothing wrong with basic ID requirements. As Tempo pointed out, nobody is struggling to get a basic ID and who is willing and able to go out and vote.

Again, what part(s) of the SAVE Act do you agree with or is it now that you don’t agree with any of it? What’s the number of Americans managing their daily lives in the absence of valid government issued ID?

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to get out of what you bolded.

Yes, I agree if any changes are made, they should be made far in advance. I also believe there are resources available to those who need assistance in obtaining some documents. 

And yes, I also don't agree with all of the save act (I have said I think a basic ID is reasonable).

I'm not sure what you think is the big "gotcha" moment there. 

Thats not moving the goal posts. Moving the goal posts, for example, would be like claiming 21 million people not have a basic ID. But when asked for a source, quote data that shows 21 million people don't have a passport or citizenship paperwork, and claiming that the original number of 21 million was accurate, which is not the same thing. Thats moving the goal posts. Just an example I made up. See the difference?

I don't agree with having to show anything beyond a basic ID in order to register to vote. The majority of the country also agrees with that. I've said that several times, not sure how else to say that for you. Maybe I'll try again, I don't agree with having to show anything beyond a basic ID in order to register to vote. 

*The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Now, you’re back to not agreeing with all of the SAVE Act. Again, for the 4th or 5th time, what part(s) of it are you for? Liking the transgender bans? Basic ID has nothing to do with it. And also, how many Americans are functioning in society without any form of government issued ID or is just those, whatever made up number that is, that are living under a pier? If my number was way off, what is it?

Love your minimization of disenfranchisement. Do you believe in states rights?

Requiring people to show a standard ID when voting is reasonable. Proof of citizenship, passports, birth certificates, etc should not be required.

Requiring people to show a standard ID when voting is reasonable. Proof of citizenship, passports, birth certificates, etc should not be required.

Requiring people to show a standard ID when voting is reasonable. Proof of citizenship, passports, birth certificates, etc should don't be required.

Not really sure how else to say it. But you keep asking over and over. A standard ID has your name and a picture issued by the government. If it has that, it's a standard ID and should be all that is required. 

Requiring people to show a standard ID when voting is reasonable. Proof of citizenship, passports, birth certificates, etc should not be required.

Halifax2TheMax

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

I guarantee you she doesn't know where her fucking birth cert is

Neither do I. But I can get one, I've done it before. Would probably be easier to order a new one than to sort through the boxes in the crawl space where it probably is. 

I don't want to argue back and forth about your mother in law, so speaking in general of that age group. My grandma is in an assisted living and there are people there who can take residents to appointments and I'm pretty sure the DMV if needed. They also work with social workers who can help get help for that sort of thing too. Thats really the whole point of assisted living, and why it costs so much. If they don't assist you in those things, it's just an over-priced apartment that serves food. 
Also, some states offer homebound DMV visits, especially to facilities like nursing homes and assisted living facilities. My state offers homebound DMV visits, they just require a formal request to be paper mailed in and document a reason. 
You can also renew it online if a new picture is not needed.
My point is, where there's a will, there's a way. She would need one to update her will and power of attorney. It's not completely irrelevant for someone in her situation to still need an ID after they stop driving. Sure, it might be a hassle, but so are taxes. 
I agree requirements should be made far in advance. But I do think resources are available to those who need them. I've said before I don't agree with the SAVE act, but basic ID requirements are not unreasonable. As long as any changes are made far enough in advance. 

*The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Nice, selective edit. Talk about moving the goal posts.

Here’s what you said in Jose’s quote of your post:

I agree requirements should be made far in advance. But I do think resources are available to those who need them. 

And here’s what you posted previously:

 show previous quotes

I said in previous elections. The save act does not apply retroactively.  
I don't agree with all of the save act, but I do think there is nothing wrong with basic ID requirements. As Tempo pointed out, nobody is struggling to get a basic ID and who is willing and able to go out and vote.

Again, what part(s) of the SAVE Act do you agree with or is it now that you don’t agree with any of it? What’s the number of Americans managing their daily lives in the absence of valid government issued ID?

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to get out of what you bolded.

Yes, I agree if any changes are made, they should be made far in advance. I also believe there are resources available to those who need assistance in obtaining some documents. 

And yes, I also don't agree with all of the save act (I have said I think a basic ID is reasonable).

I'm not sure what you think is the big "gotcha" moment there. 

Thats not moving the goal posts. Moving the goal posts, for example, would be like claiming 21 million people not have a basic ID. But when asked for a source, quote data that shows 21 million people don't have a passport or citizenship paperwork, and claiming that the original number of 21 million was accurate, which is not the same thing. Thats moving the goal posts. Just an example I made up. See the difference?

I don't agree with having to show anything beyond a basic ID in order to register to vote. The majority of the country also agrees with that. I've said that several times, not sure how else to say that for you. Maybe I'll try again, I don't agree with having to show anything beyond a basic ID in order to register to vote. 

*The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Now, you’re back to not agreeing with all of the SAVE Act. Again, for the 4th or 5th time, what part(s) of it are you for? Liking the transgender bans? Basic ID has nothing to do with it. And also, how many Americans are functioning in society without any form of government issued ID or is just those, whatever made up number that is, that are living under a pier? If my number was way off, what is it?

Love your minimization of disenfranchisement. Do you believe in states rights?

Requiring people to show a standard ID when voting is reasonable. Proof of citizenship, passports, birth certificates, etc should not be required.

Requiring people to show a standard ID when voting is reasonable. Proof of citizenship, passports, birth certificates, etc should not be required.

Requiring people to show a standard ID when voting is reasonable. Proof of citizenship, passports, birth certificates, etc should don't be required.

Not really sure how else to say it. But you keep asking over and over. A standard ID has your name and a picture issued by the government. If it has that, it's a standard ID and should be all that is required. 

Requiring people to show a standard ID when voting is reasonable. Proof of citizenship, passports, birth certificates, etc should not be required.

*The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

What part(s) of the SAFE Act do you agree with?

How many Americans function in society without government issued ID?

What part(s) of the SAFE Act do you agree with?

How many Americans function in society without government issued ID?

What part(s) of the SAFE Act do you agree with?

How many Americans function in society without government issued ID?

What part(s) of the SAFE Act do you agree with?

How many Americans function in society without government issued ID?

What part(s) of the SAFE Act do you agree with?

How many Americans function in society without government issued ID?

What part(s) of the SAFE Act do you agree with?

How many Americans function in society without government issued ID?

What part(s) of the SAFE Act do you agree with?

How many Americans function in society without government issued ID?

mace1229

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

I guarantee you she doesn't know where her fucking birth cert is

Neither do I. But I can get one, I've done it before. Would probably be easier to order a new one than to sort through the boxes in the crawl space where it probably is. 

I don't want to argue back and forth about your mother in law, so speaking in general of that age group. My grandma is in an assisted living and there are people there who can take residents to appointments and I'm pretty sure the DMV if needed. They also work with social workers who can help get help for that sort of thing too. Thats really the whole point of assisted living, and why it costs so much. If they don't assist you in those things, it's just an over-priced apartment that serves food. 
Also, some states offer homebound DMV visits, especially to facilities like nursing homes and assisted living facilities. My state offers homebound DMV visits, they just require a formal request to be paper mailed in and document a reason. 
You can also renew it online if a new picture is not needed.
My point is, where there's a will, there's a way. She would need one to update her will and power of attorney. It's not completely irrelevant for someone in her situation to still need an ID after they stop driving. Sure, it might be a hassle, but so are taxes. 
I agree requirements should be made far in advance. But I do think resources are available to those who need them. I've said before I don't agree with the SAVE act, but basic ID requirements are not unreasonable. As long as any changes are made far enough in advance. 

*The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Nice, selective edit. Talk about moving the goal posts.

Here’s what you said in Jose’s quote of your post:

I agree requirements should be made far in advance. But I do think resources are available to those who need them. 

And here’s what you posted previously:

 show previous quotes

I said in previous elections. The save act does not apply retroactively.  
I don't agree with all of the save act, but I do think there is nothing wrong with basic ID requirements. As Tempo pointed out, nobody is struggling to get a basic ID and who is willing and able to go out and vote.

Again, what part(s) of the SAVE Act do you agree with or is it now that you don’t agree with any of it? What’s the number of Americans managing their daily lives in the absence of valid government issued ID?

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to get out of what you bolded.

Yes, I agree if any changes are made, they should be made far in advance. I also believe there are resources available to those who need assistance in obtaining some documents. 

And yes, I also don't agree with all of the save act (I have said I think a basic ID is reasonable).

I'm not sure what you think is the big "gotcha" moment there. 

Thats not moving the goal posts. Moving the goal posts, for example, would be like claiming 21 million people not have a basic ID. But when asked for a source, quote data that shows 21 million people don't have a passport or citizenship paperwork, and claiming that the original number of 21 million was accurate, which is not the same thing. Thats moving the goal posts. Just an example I made up. See the difference?

I don't agree with having to show anything beyond a basic ID in order to register to vote. The majority of the country also agrees with that. I've said that several times, not sure how else to say that for you. Maybe I'll try again, I don't agree with having to show anything beyond a basic ID in order to register to vote. 

*The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Now, you’re back to not agreeing with all of the SAVE Act. Again, for the 4th or 5th time, what part(s) of it are you for? Liking the transgender bans? Basic ID has nothing to do with it. And also, how many Americans are functioning in society without any form of government issued ID or is just those, whatever made up number that is, that are living under a pier? If my number was way off, what is it?

Love your minimization of disenfranchisement. Do you believe in states rights?

Requiring people to show a standard ID when voting is reasonable. Proof of citizenship, passports, birth certificates, etc should not be required.

Requiring people to show a standard ID when voting is reasonable. Proof of citizenship, passports, birth certificates, etc should not be required.

Requiring people to show a standard ID when voting is reasonable. Proof of citizenship, passports, birth certificates, etc should don't be required.

Not really sure how else to say it. But you keep asking over and over. A standard ID has your name and a picture issued by the government. If it has that, it's a standard ID and should be all that is required. 

Requiring people to show a standard ID when voting is reasonable. Proof of citizenship, passports, birth certificates, etc should not be required.

*The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

What part(s) of the SAFE Act do you agree with?

How many Americans function in society without government issued ID?

What part(s) of the SAFE Act do you agree with?

How many Americans function in society without government issued ID?

What part(s) of the SAFE Act do you agree with?

How many Americans function in society without government issued ID?

What part(s) of the SAFE Act do you agree with?

How many Americans function in society without government issued ID?

What part(s) of the SAFE Act do you agree with?

How many Americans function in society without government issued ID?

What part(s) of the SAFE Act do you agree with?

How many Americans function in society without government issued ID?

What part(s) of the SAFE Act do you agree with?

How many Americans function in society without government issued ID?

a) I agree that a a basic ID should be required, but nothing beyond that. No birth certificate, passport, etc. Which would mean if your name changed due to marriage or transgendered, it wouldn't matter that it doesn't match your birth certificate. I'm really at a loss as to how that is not clear by now. And I'm just going to have to leave it at that, if that still doesn't make sense to you, it's time to just move on.

b) Google overview says that approximately 3 million adults don't have any form of ID. How many of them function or  don't function as an adult I don't know, because I'm sure that includes recent high school graduates or college students still living off their parents and never really needed one. 

Gern Blansten

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

I guarantee you she doesn't know where her fucking birth cert is

Neither do I. But I can get one, I've done it before. Would probably be easier to order a new one than to sort through the boxes in the crawl space where it probably is. 

I don't want to argue back and forth about your mother in law, so speaking in general of that age group. My grandma is in an assisted living and there are people there who can take residents to appointments and I'm pretty sure the DMV if needed. They also work with social workers who can help get help for that sort of thing too. Thats really the whole point of assisted living, and why it costs so much. If they don't assist you in those things, it's just an over-priced apartment that serves food. 
Also, some states offer homebound DMV visits, especially to facilities like nursing homes and assisted living facilities. My state offers homebound DMV visits, they just require a formal request to be paper mailed in and document a reason. 
You can also renew it online if a new picture is not needed.
My point is, where there's a will, there's a way. She would need one to update her will and power of attorney. It's not completely irrelevant for someone in her situation to still need an ID after they stop driving. Sure, it might be a hassle, but so are taxes. 
I agree requirements should be made far in advance. But I do think resources are available to those who need them. I've said before I don't agree with the SAVE act, but basic ID requirements are not unreasonable. As long as any changes are made far enough in advance. 

sure she could get a ride....it's still a hindrance, an obstacle to keep her from voting

why? to fit the narrative that the orange fuckhead vomits out regularly that some of you believe

I don't think voter fraud is rampant enough to change an election. I'm sure there is fraud, but it's not by the millions. I also think showing a standard ID when voting and registering is completely reasonable. 
But I don't think a change should be effective immediately. Say maybe 5 years from now would be reasonable. I think my state already requires it though. 

It's not like people have to go through this process of getting their first ID every time they vote. At least in my state, non-driving IDs never expire for people over 65. So when you are done driving, renew your license one last time for a non-driving ID and you will never have to do it ever again even if you live to 104.
Anyone who doesn't currently have an ID has 5 years to figure out how to get the documents they need and get one. That seems more than reasonable to me. I really don't know what a valid argument against that would be.

I don't disagree with that....as long as the process is laid out and everyone is aware. The cost to the local precincts would be huge so any law passed would have to come with a shitload of funding. Which would probably not always be used ethically.

Halifax2TheMax

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mace1229 said:

Gern Blansten said:

I guarantee you she doesn't know where her fucking birth cert is

Neither do I. But I can get one, I've done it before. Would probably be easier to order a new one than to sort through the boxes in the crawl space where it probably is. 

I don't want to argue back and forth about your mother in law, so speaking in general of that age group. My grandma is in an assisted living and there are people there who can take residents to appointments and I'm pretty sure the DMV if needed. They also work with social workers who can help get help for that sort of thing too. Thats really the whole point of assisted living, and why it costs so much. If they don't assist you in those things, it's just an over-priced apartment that serves food. 
Also, some states offer homebound DMV visits, especially to facilities like nursing homes and assisted living facilities. My state offers homebound DMV visits, they just require a formal request to be paper mailed in and document a reason. 
You can also renew it online if a new picture is not needed.
My point is, where there's a will, there's a way. She would need one to update her will and power of attorney. It's not completely irrelevant for someone in her situation to still need an ID after they stop driving. Sure, it might be a hassle, but so are taxes. 
I agree requirements should be made far in advance. But I do think resources are available to those who need them. I've said before I don't agree with the SAVE act, but basic ID requirements are not unreasonable. As long as any changes are made far enough in advance. 

*The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Nice, selective edit. Talk about moving the goal posts.

Here’s what you said in Jose’s quote of your post:

I agree requirements should be made far in advance. But I do think resources are available to those who need them. 

And here’s what you posted previously:

 show previous quotes

I said in previous elections. The save act does not apply retroactively.  
I don't agree with all of the save act, but I do think there is nothing wrong with basic ID requirements. As Tempo pointed out, nobody is struggling to get a basic ID and who is willing and able to go out and vote.

Again, what part(s) of the SAVE Act do you agree with or is it now that you don’t agree with any of it? What’s the number of Americans managing their daily lives in the absence of valid government issued ID?

I'm not sure what I'm supposed to get out of what you bolded.

Yes, I agree if any changes are made, they should be made far in advance. I also believe there are resources available to those who need assistance in obtaining some documents. 

And yes, I also don't agree with all of the save act (I have said I think a basic ID is reasonable).

I'm not sure what you think is the big "gotcha" moment there. 

Thats not moving the goal posts. Moving the goal posts, for example, would be like claiming 21 million people not have a basic ID. But when asked for a source, quote data that shows 21 million people don't have a passport or citizenship paperwork, and claiming that the original number of 21 million was accurate, which is not the same thing. Thats moving the goal posts. Just an example I made up. See the difference?

I don't agree with having to show anything beyond a basic ID in order to register to vote. The majority of the country also agrees with that. I've said that several times, not sure how else to say that for you. Maybe I'll try again, I don't agree with having to show anything beyond a basic ID in order to register to vote. 

*The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Now, you’re back to not agreeing with all of the SAVE Act. Again, for the 4th or 5th time, what part(s) of it are you for? Liking the transgender bans? Basic ID has nothing to do with it. And also, how many Americans are functioning in society without any form of government issued ID or is just those, whatever made up number that is, that are living under a pier? If my number was way off, what is it?

Love your minimization of disenfranchisement. Do you believe in states rights?

Requiring people to show a standard ID when voting is reasonable. Proof of citizenship, passports, birth certificates, etc should not be required.

Requiring people to show a standard ID when voting is reasonable. Proof of citizenship, passports, birth certificates, etc should not be required.

Requiring people to show a standard ID when voting is reasonable. Proof of citizenship, passports, birth certificates, etc should don't be required.

Not really sure how else to say it. But you keep asking over and over. A standard ID has your name and a picture issued by the government. If it has that, it's a standard ID and should be all that is required. 

Requiring people to show a standard ID when voting is reasonable. Proof of citizenship, passports, birth certificates, etc should not be required.

*The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

What part(s) of the SAFE Act do you agree with?

How many Americans function in society without government issued ID?

What part(s) of the SAFE Act do you agree with?

How many Americans function in society without government issued ID?

What part(s) of the SAFE Act do you agree with?

How many Americans function in society without government issued ID?

What part(s) of the SAFE Act do you agree with?

How many Americans function in society without government issued ID?

What part(s) of the SAFE Act do you agree with?

How many Americans function in society without government issued ID?

What part(s) of the SAFE Act do you agree with?

How many Americans function in society without government issued ID?

What part(s) of the SAFE Act do you agree with?

How many Americans function in society without government issued ID?

a) I agree that a a basic ID should be required, but nothing beyond that. No birth certificate, passport, etc. Which would mean if your name changed due to marriage or transgendered, it wouldn't matter that it doesn't match your birth certificate. I'm really at a loss as to how that is not clear by now. And I'm just going to have to leave it at that, if that still doesn't make sense to you, it's time to just move on.

b) Google overview says that approximately 3 million adults don't have any form of ID. How many of them function or  don't function as an adult I don't know, because I'm sure that includes recent high school graduates or college students still living off their parents and never really needed one. 

*The following opinion is mine and mine alone and does not represent the views of my family, friends, government and/or my past, present or future employer. US Department of State: 1-888-407-4747.

Where’s the link to your Google overview or a copy/paste?

Is 3M Americans being disenfranchised concerning to you or do they just live under the pier and wouldn’t vote anyway?

Do you believe in states’ rights?

Again, from the link you ignored:

Key findings include:

• Nearly 29 million voting-age U.S. citizens lacked a valid driver’s license and over 7 million had no other form of non-expired government-issued photo identification.

• In states with strict photo identification laws in 2020, over 3 million voting-age U.S. citizens did not have a current driver’s license, and over 1 million did not have a non-expired government-issued photo identification.

• More than 11 million people ages 18-29 did not have a current driver’s license, and more than 3 million did not have any unexpired government issued photo ID.

• Members of underrepresented racial and ethnic groups were less likely to have a current driver’s license or other government-issued photo ID. An estimated 1.86 million Black non-Hispanic Americans (6.2%) and 1.86 million Hispanic Americans (6.1%) lack a photo ID, as do 4.5% of those who identify as Native American, Native Alaskan or another race. This compares to just 2.3% of White non-Hispanic Americans and 1.6% of Asian, Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander Americans.

• Individuals with a high school degree or less were the least likely of people of all educational levels to have a current driver’s license or any photo ID. Over 18.5 million people who did not complete high school or whose highest level of education is a high school degree did not have a driver’s license.

• The analysis found a strong relationship between income and lack of a driver’s license, with adult Americans who earn less than $30,000 lacking a driver’s license at a rate about five times greater than the highest income category of $100,000 or more.

• Those who were not registered and those who did not vote in 2020 were far more likely to lack a current driver’s license and any photo ID. Adult Americans who were not registered to vote were three times more likely to lack a driver’s license (30%) than those who were registered (11%). The results were similar when comparing 2020 non-voters to 2020 voters, demonstrating the disproportionate barrier that voter ID laws may create for non-voters or infrequent voters, as well as new or first-time voters.

https://cdce.umd.edu/news/news-umd-analysis-millions-americans-don%E2%80%99t-have-id-required-vote