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  • Go Beavers
    Go Beavers Posts: 9,702
    mace1229 said:
    Vitalogensia said:
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    Bentleyspop said:
    mickeyrat said:
    A Nativity display at a church in Massachusetts is sparking a debate after swapping Mary, Joseph and baby Jesus for a sign that reads "ICE was here."
    Details: https://www.wpri.com/new-england/massachusetts/ice-was-here-massachusetts-church-displays-message-in-nativity-scene/
    Well they were undocumented immigrants. 
    Good for that church
    . Are they trying to say they got deported out of Bethlehem?
    They were returning to their country of origin by order of the government. So blaming ICE for them not being there really doesn't make much sense. If anything, ICE would have been the reason they were there. 
    That would be like saying ICE stopped a group of hispanics from returning to their home country and forced them to stay here. Doesn't really make sense. I don't think they thought this one through. 
    The myth of Jesus’s birth doesn’t make much sense either, so perhaps it’s appropriate to play with facts in order to make a point? 
    It's a church, so I really doubt they are trying to make fun of the "myth."
    Whether you believe it or not, doesn't change the details of the story. If you understand the details, it's a stupid analogy that doesn't make sense. They weren't immigrants, they were ordered by the government to return to their homeland for a census. The two cities were not that far apart and ruled under the same king at the time. Saying ICE would have deported them as illegal immigrants for returning to their homeland as ordered by the head of government is just a dumb analogy. 
    I’m not a biblical scholar, but I think you’re probably relying too much on the accuracy of Luke’s gospel, which is a little loose. The church in the photo is probably referring to Matthew and when they fled to Egypt:

    13 Now when they had departed, behold, xan angel of the Lord appeared to Joseph in a dream and said, “Rise, take the child and his mother, and flee to Egypt, and remain there until I tell you, for Herod is about to search for the child, to destroy him.” 14 And he rose and took the child and his mother by night and departed to Egypt 15 and remained there until the death of Herod. yThis was to fulfill what the Lord had spoken by the prophet, z“Out of Egypt I called my son.”
  • mace1229
    mace1229 Posts: 10,088
    Vitalogensia said:
    mace1229 said:
    Vitalogensia said:
    mace1229 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    mickeyrat said:
    A Nativity display at a church in Massachusetts is sparking a debate after swapping Mary, Joseph and baby Jesus for a sign that reads "ICE was here."
    Details: https://www.wpri.com/new-england/massachusetts/ice-was-here-massachusetts-church-displays-message-in-nativity-scene/
    Well they were undocumented immigrants. 
    Good for that church
    . Are they trying to say they got deported out of Bethlehem?
    They were returning to their country of origin by order of the government. So blaming ICE for them not being there really doesn't make much sense. If anything, ICE would have been the reason they were there. 
    That would be like saying ICE stopped a group of hispanics from returning to their home country and forced them to stay here. Doesn't really make sense. I don't think they thought this one through. 
    The myth of Jesus’s birth doesn’t make much sense either, so perhaps it’s appropriate to play with facts in order to make a point? 
    It's a church, so I really doubt they are trying to make fun of the "myth."
    Whether you believe it or not, doesn't change the details of the story. If you understand the details, it's a stupid analogy that doesn't make sense. They weren't immigrants, they were ordered by the government to return to their homeland for a census. The two cities were not that far apart and ruled under the same king at the time. Saying ICE would have deported them as illegal immigrants for returning to their homeland as ordered by the head of government is just a dumb analogy. 
    Respectfully, I didn’t write they were making fun of it, I questioned if they were trying to make a point. Since you know the details, though, can you tell me what day, month, and year the Bible gives us for Jesus’s birth?  That might help clear up why I view the story as a widely held false belief, aka myth. 
    The Bible doesn’t give an exact day or year, and you probably knew that.
    I didn’t mean to imply you said they were making fun of it, but if an organization went to that extent to make a scene of something they didn’t believe in, I’d take it as mocking. But it’s a church, so they weren’t.
    Believing in it doesn’t change whether it’s a silly analogy or not. I’m just saying how do they compare Jesus to an illegal immigrant? He traveled a short distance to his ancestral town not far away. Maybe everyone doesn’t know all the details, but most people are familiar with the general idea of the story. Why would Jesus have been deported from the kingdom of Judea, the ancestral homeland of the Jewish people? Was Jesus not Jewish enough for the homeland of the Jews? 
    It’s so ironic and silly that it’s actually pretty funny.
  • mickeyrat
    mickeyrat Posts: 45,587
    mace1229 said:
    josevolution said:
    mace1229 said:
    Bentleyspop said:
    mickeyrat said:
    A Nativity display at a church in Massachusetts is sparking a debate after swapping Mary, Joseph and baby Jesus for a sign that reads "ICE was here."
    Details: https://www.wpri.com/new-england/massachusetts/ice-was-here-massachusetts-church-displays-message-in-nativity-scene/
    Well they were undocumented immigrants. 
    Good for that church
    . Are they trying to say they got deported out of Bethlehem?
    They were returning to their country of origin by order of the government. So blaming ICE for them not being there really doesn't make much sense. If anything, ICE would have been the reason they were there. 
    That would be like saying ICE stopped a group of hispanics from returning to their home country and forced them to stay here. Doesn't really make sense. I don't think they thought this one through. 
    lol no they are saying ICE would grab folks in church if they thought they were there or that ICE would deport Mary baby Jesus and Joseph ! That’s how I’m seeing it still though I like what that church did 
    Thats what I said, they are portraying it that Mary, Jesus and Joseph got deported by ICE. But they were returning to their country of origin as ordered by the government. ICE deporting them isn't a good analogy here. 

    zoom in on the pic and read the smaller sign below the ice sign.
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  • mickeyrat
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    Americans have been dragged, tackled, beaten, tased and shot by immigration agents.

    They’ve had their necks kneeled on.

    They’ve been held outside in the rain while in their underwear.

    At least three citizens were pregnant when agents detained them.

    In case you missed it, read our full investigation (published October): https://propub.li/4ayCDIL
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  • josevolution
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    Well the president said they are all criminals and dirt bags from shithole nations so their treatment will fall on deaf ears! This time next year this won’t even make the news 
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
  • mickeyrat
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    In the Nativity scene outside Lake Street Church in Evanston, Illinois, Mary and Joseph are wearing gas masks, Jesus is nestled in a reflective blanket with his hands bound with zip ties, and behind the family stands three Roman centurions wearing vests with a very modern label: ICE.

    Read the full story: https://religionnews.com/2025/12/05/ice-nativity-scenes-churches-reimagine-christmas-story-amid-deportations/
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  • mickeyrat
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    I am presently at The Jesuit Retreat Center in Parma, Ohio.

    I plan on asking where Mary, Joseph and the kid are....

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  • Tim Simmons
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    I’ve seen some churches not put out Mary and Joseph until the 3rd Sunday in Advent and then Jesus at the Christmas vigil. 
  • mickeyrat
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    edited December 7
    Tim Simmons said:
    I’ve seen some churches not put out Mary and Joseph until the 3rd Sunday in Advent and then Jesus at the Christmas vigil. 
    thats basically what the director here said when I  asked. they arrive on xmas eve
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  • Bentleyspop
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    mickeyrat said:
    Tim Simmons said:
    I’ve seen some churches not put out Mary and Joseph until the 3rd Sunday in Advent and then Jesus at the Christmas vigil. 
    thats basically what the director here said when I  asked. they arrive on xmas eve
    Do they have their papers?
  • mickeyrat
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    BREAKING: A federal judge ordered that immigration officials immediately release Kilmar Abrego Garcia, the mistakenly deported man who is now back in the United States and faces criminal charges. https://trib.al/JX5WEKk
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  • Halifax2TheMax
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