#47 President Donald Trump

Gern Blansten

DE4173 said:

The Juggler said:

mickeyrat said:

DE4173 said:

mickeyrat said:

DE4173 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Harris was the sitting VP. Come on. You have to acknowledge that obviously changes things. Maybe they should have let Hillary run again? 😂 

Senator Hillary Clinton (pre-emails and additional actions/inactions, etc that hurt her candidacy in 2016) lost the Dem primary in 2008 because of other reasons, so it's not outside the realm of possibility of her losing other elections (2016). 

I don't recall what Senator Kamala Harris's popularity was in 2020 (when she didn't have one electoral vote), so it's not outside the realm of possibility that she would lose other elections (2024).

Vice President Harris having four years of experience as VP definitely made a positive difference for her as a candidate in 2024. I don't know how she would've fared in an open primary, but if she lost, by lack of votes by Dems, would it be okay because the Dems said no thanks, but in a general election her loss is not okay?

hard to have any delegates when you drop out before Iowa.

Very.

The support was not there for her from the Democrat party and Democrat voters in that primary and that's okay, but losing in a general election is not okay because of other factors?

yes, top of ticket 100 days out. a county or two in Pa and Maricopa Az are conducting an inquiry in the counting process as there were some glitches at that critical time. Fuckstick made certain statements suggesting shenanigans. 

imo she and walz left it all on the field

nothing to be ashamed of imo.

The primary thing is so funny to me. I love how these people just gloss over the fact that she was on the ticket in 2020 when they won the election.

My point is for President in 2020 there were several candidates that Democrats preferred to then Senator Harris for whatever reasons, so when it came to the presidential general election in 2024, it shouldn't be a surprise that she wasn't the preferred candidate for the same and additional reasons.

The party got behind it though. It also seems like campaign finance laws may have had something to do with it. Since she was already on the ticket, etc.

Regardless...not her fault that too many dumbasses either didn't vote or voted for Cheeto fuckface

Spiritual_Chaos

Someone like Trump should have lost to a rock or no one on the democratic ticket. 

You guys should focus on why he - with everything he has shown - can win in your country and what that entails, and not blame whoever normal was put against him for not meeting the criteria to get votes from fascist-enablers and supporters. Something odd about needing this superhuman-of-charisma to win when the other person can't even count to ten.

BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT SUPERHUMAN WAS BERNIE. WOOHOOOO.

Gern Blansten

Spiritual_Chaos said:

Someone like Trump should have lost to a rock or no one on the democratic ticket. 

You guys should focus on why he - with everything he has shown - can win in your country and what that entails, and not blame whoever normal was put against him for not meeting the criteria to get votes from fascist-enablers and supporters. Something odd about needing this superhuman-of-charisma to win when the other person can't even count to ten.

BUT OBVIOUSLY THAT SUPERHUMAN WAS BERNIE. WOOHOOOO.

Which is why Biden convinced himself to stay in. He couldn't imagine anyone losing to him.

My opinion...
1. Disinformation: mostly Russia I'm sure but Iran and China (tiktok?) were pounding our social media with bullshit. 
2. Low information voters: Influenced by disinformation but also convinced that things should be better. The economy left them behind which isn't really the dems fault. Possibly their fault for not identifying the issues that they should have delivered to them though. Harris was big on expanding the child tax credit but she should have said why over and over and fucking over again.
3. GenZ: still favored Harris but they were influenced by social media and enough moved to trump. They don't remember trump from 8 years ago. 
4. trump is an enigma: A fucking moron but I'll give him credit for being a great actor driven by unbelievable narcissism. 

DE4173

Gern Blansten said:

DE4173 said:

The Juggler said:

mickeyrat said:

DE4173 said:

mickeyrat said:

DE4173 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Harris was the sitting VP. Come on. You have to acknowledge that obviously changes things. Maybe they should have let Hillary run again? 😂 

Senator Hillary Clinton (pre-emails and additional actions/inactions, etc that hurt her candidacy in 2016) lost the Dem primary in 2008 because of other reasons, so it's not outside the realm of possibility of her losing other elections (2016). 

I don't recall what Senator Kamala Harris's popularity was in 2020 (when she didn't have one electoral vote), so it's not outside the realm of possibility that she would lose other elections (2024).

Vice President Harris having four years of experience as VP definitely made a positive difference for her as a candidate in 2024. I don't know how she would've fared in an open primary, but if she lost, by lack of votes by Dems, would it be okay because the Dems said no thanks, but in a general election her loss is not okay?

hard to have any delegates when you drop out before Iowa.

Very.

The support was not there for her from the Democrat party and Democrat voters in that primary and that's okay, but losing in a general election is not okay because of other factors?

yes, top of ticket 100 days out. a county or two in Pa and Maricopa Az are conducting an inquiry in the counting process as there were some glitches at that critical time. Fuckstick made certain statements suggesting shenanigans. 

imo she and walz left it all on the field

nothing to be ashamed of imo.

The primary thing is so funny to me. I love how these people just gloss over the fact that she was on the ticket in 2020 when they won the election.

My point is for President in 2020 there were several candidates that Democrats preferred to then Senator Harris for whatever reasons, so when it came to the presidential general election in 2024, it shouldn't be a surprise that she wasn't the preferred candidate for the same and additional reasons.

The party got behind it though. It also seems like campaign finance laws may have had something to do with it. Since she was already on the ticket, etc.

Regardless...not her fault that too many dumbasses either didn't vote or voted for Cheeto fuckface

True. She was able to keep the money which was very important to the campaign.

I have to ask though, if it wasn't her fault that millions of people didn't vote as did in 2020, especially as it was against the existential threat that is Trump (thread integrity 😉), then whose fault is it?

Gern Blansten

DE4173 said:

Gern Blansten said:

DE4173 said:

The Juggler said:

mickeyrat said:

DE4173 said:

mickeyrat said:

DE4173 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Harris was the sitting VP. Come on. You have to acknowledge that obviously changes things. Maybe they should have let Hillary run again? 😂 

Senator Hillary Clinton (pre-emails and additional actions/inactions, etc that hurt her candidacy in 2016) lost the Dem primary in 2008 because of other reasons, so it's not outside the realm of possibility of her losing other elections (2016). 

I don't recall what Senator Kamala Harris's popularity was in 2020 (when she didn't have one electoral vote), so it's not outside the realm of possibility that she would lose other elections (2024).

Vice President Harris having four years of experience as VP definitely made a positive difference for her as a candidate in 2024. I don't know how she would've fared in an open primary, but if she lost, by lack of votes by Dems, would it be okay because the Dems said no thanks, but in a general election her loss is not okay?

hard to have any delegates when you drop out before Iowa.

Very.

The support was not there for her from the Democrat party and Democrat voters in that primary and that's okay, but losing in a general election is not okay because of other factors?

yes, top of ticket 100 days out. a county or two in Pa and Maricopa Az are conducting an inquiry in the counting process as there were some glitches at that critical time. Fuckstick made certain statements suggesting shenanigans. 

imo she and walz left it all on the field

nothing to be ashamed of imo.

The primary thing is so funny to me. I love how these people just gloss over the fact that she was on the ticket in 2020 when they won the election.

My point is for President in 2020 there were several candidates that Democrats preferred to then Senator Harris for whatever reasons, so when it came to the presidential general election in 2024, it shouldn't be a surprise that she wasn't the preferred candidate for the same and additional reasons.

The party got behind it though. It also seems like campaign finance laws may have had something to do with it. Since she was already on the ticket, etc.

Regardless...not her fault that too many dumbasses either didn't vote or voted for Cheeto fuckface

True. She was able to keep the money which was very important to the campaign.

I have to ask though, if it wasn't her fault that millions of people didn't vote as did in 2020, especially as it was against the existential threat that is Trump (thread integrity 😉), then whose fault is it?

the non-voters?

brianlux

If you wonder why your food prices go up this year, this will likely be one reason why.  This was one of the most ignorant, foolish acts of this clown's career. 

https://www.sfgate.com/centralcalifornia/article/trump-california-reservoir-dump-kaweah-success-20209496.php?utm_content=cta&sid=612dbff15f5bff20ec044798&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=roundup&utm_campaign=sfgt | the daily&stn=nf

Trump's 2.2 billion-gallon dump from California reservoirs just got even uglier

The Washington Post snagged a memo written by an Army Corps of Engineers official who worked on the releases

Excerpts from the article:

The three-day release from Lake Kaweah and Lake Success by the Army Corp of Engineers was water that’s typically saved for the drier, hotter growing season, as SFGATE reported at the time.

The idea that Southern California’s overall water supply hindered firefighting efforts during the Palisades and Eaton fires has been roundly rejected by experts. And vitally, the outlets of Lake Kaweah and Lake Success, which are just west of the Sierra Nevada and manage water for farms in the eastern San Joaquin Valley, are not set up for sending water far south.

Rep. Jim Costa, a Democrat who represents a chunk of the San Joaquin Valley, wrote in a Feb. 1 letter to Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth that the releases — coming as they did when there’s little demand for irrigation, as well as a low snowpack — pose “grave threats to a reliable water supply this year.”

Gern Blansten

brianlux said:

If you wonder why your food prices go up this year, this will likely be one reason why.  This was one of the most ignorant, foolish acts of this clown's career. 

https://www.sfgate.com/centralcalifornia/article/trump-california-reservoir-dump-kaweah-success-20209496.php?utm_content=cta&sid=612dbff15f5bff20ec044798&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=roundup&utm_campaign=sfgt | the daily&stn=nf

Trump's 2.2 billion-gallon dump from California reservoirs just got even uglier

The Washington Post snagged a memo written by an Army Corps of Engineers official who worked on the releases

Excerpts from the article:

The three-day release from Lake Kaweah and Lake Success by the Army Corp of Engineers was water that’s typically saved for the drier, hotter growing season, as SFGATE reported at the time.

The idea that Southern California’s overall water supply hindered firefighting efforts during the Palisades and Eaton fires has been roundly rejected by experts. And vitally, the outlets of Lake Kaweah and Lake Success, which are just west of the Sierra Nevada and manage water for farms in the eastern San Joaquin Valley, are not set up for sending water far south.

Rep. Jim Costa, a Democrat who represents a chunk of the San Joaquin Valley, wrote in a Feb. 1 letter to Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth that the releases — coming as they did when there’s little demand for irrigation, as well as a low snowpack — pose “grave threats to a reliable water supply this year.”

I was reading that yesterday....really fucking stupid and textbook trump

and the worst part? he'll brag about it until he dies and the magats will applaud him for it

HughFreakingDillon

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Harris was the sitting VP. Come on. You have to acknowledge that obviously changes things. Maybe they should have let Hillary run again? 😂 

Not in 2020.

Not what in 2020?

Harris wasn’t VP in 2020. She was a senator when chosen to run with Brandon and she didn’t have any primary delegates or victories as a POTUS candidate. I think that was the point DE was trying to make.

I know. I was referring to 2024. 

Halifax2TheMax

DE4173 said:

Gern Blansten said:

DE4173 said:

The Juggler said:

mickeyrat said:

DE4173 said:

mickeyrat said:

DE4173 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Harris was the sitting VP. Come on. You have to acknowledge that obviously changes things. Maybe they should have let Hillary run again? 😂 

Senator Hillary Clinton (pre-emails and additional actions/inactions, etc that hurt her candidacy in 2016) lost the Dem primary in 2008 because of other reasons, so it's not outside the realm of possibility of her losing other elections (2016). 

I don't recall what Senator Kamala Harris's popularity was in 2020 (when she didn't have one electoral vote), so it's not outside the realm of possibility that she would lose other elections (2024).

Vice President Harris having four years of experience as VP definitely made a positive difference for her as a candidate in 2024. I don't know how she would've fared in an open primary, but if she lost, by lack of votes by Dems, would it be okay because the Dems said no thanks, but in a general election her loss is not okay?

hard to have any delegates when you drop out before Iowa.

Very.

The support was not there for her from the Democrat party and Democrat voters in that primary and that's okay, but losing in a general election is not okay because of other factors?

yes, top of ticket 100 days out. a county or two in Pa and Maricopa Az are conducting an inquiry in the counting process as there were some glitches at that critical time. Fuckstick made certain statements suggesting shenanigans. 

imo she and walz left it all on the field

nothing to be ashamed of imo.

The primary thing is so funny to me. I love how these people just gloss over the fact that she was on the ticket in 2020 when they won the election.

My point is for President in 2020 there were several candidates that Democrats preferred to then Senator Harris for whatever reasons, so when it came to the presidential general election in 2024, it shouldn't be a surprise that she wasn't the preferred candidate for the same and additional reasons.

The party got behind it though. It also seems like campaign finance laws may have had something to do with it. Since she was already on the ticket, etc.

Regardless...not her fault that too many dumbasses either didn't vote or voted for Cheeto fuckface

True. She was able to keep the money which was very important to the campaign.

I have to ask though, if it wasn't her fault that millions of people didn't vote as did in 2020, especially as it was against the existential threat that is Trump (thread integrity 😉), then whose fault is it?

Non-voters and COOTWH voters. And the repub party for selling their souls for COOTWH. Could have run “normalcy” but ran “burn it all down” instead. Now the folks who voted for it should own it.

brianlux

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

If you wonder why your food prices go up this year, this will likely be one reason why.  This was one of the most ignorant, foolish acts of this clown's career. 

https://www.sfgate.com/centralcalifornia/article/trump-california-reservoir-dump-kaweah-success-20209496.php?utm_content=cta&sid=612dbff15f5bff20ec044798&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=roundup&utm_campaign=sfgt | the daily&stn=nf

Trump's 2.2 billion-gallon dump from California reservoirs just got even uglier

The Washington Post snagged a memo written by an Army Corps of Engineers official who worked on the releases

Excerpts from the article:

The three-day release from Lake Kaweah and Lake Success by the Army Corp of Engineers was water that’s typically saved for the drier, hotter growing season, as SFGATE reported at the time.

The idea that Southern California’s overall water supply hindered firefighting efforts during the Palisades and Eaton fires has been roundly rejected by experts. And vitally, the outlets of Lake Kaweah and Lake Success, which are just west of the Sierra Nevada and manage water for farms in the eastern San Joaquin Valley, are not set up for sending water far south.

Rep. Jim Costa, a Democrat who represents a chunk of the San Joaquin Valley, wrote in a Feb. 1 letter to Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth that the releases — coming as they did when there’s little demand for irrigation, as well as a low snowpack — pose “grave threats to a reliable water supply this year.”

I was reading that yesterday....really fucking stupid and textbook trump

and the worst part? he'll brag about it until he dies and the magats will applaud him for it

Exactly!  His incredibly lame-brained declaration was, “Today, 1.6 billion gallons and, in 3 days, it will be 5.2 billion gallons. Everybody should be happy about this long fought Victory! I only wish they listened to me six years ago – There would have been no fire!” 

Complete and utter bullshit!

Halifax2TheMax

Gern Blansten said:

brianlux said:

If you wonder why your food prices go up this year, this will likely be one reason why.  This was one of the most ignorant, foolish acts of this clown's career. 

https://www.sfgate.com/centralcalifornia/article/trump-california-reservoir-dump-kaweah-success-20209496.php?utm_content=cta&sid=612dbff15f5bff20ec044798&utm_source=newsletter&utm_medium=email&utm_term=roundup&utm_campaign=sfgt | the daily&stn=nf

Trump's 2.2 billion-gallon dump from California reservoirs just got even uglier

The Washington Post snagged a memo written by an Army Corps of Engineers official who worked on the releases

Excerpts from the article:

The three-day release from Lake Kaweah and Lake Success by the Army Corp of Engineers was water that’s typically saved for the drier, hotter growing season, as SFGATE reported at the time.

The idea that Southern California’s overall water supply hindered firefighting efforts during the Palisades and Eaton fires has been roundly rejected by experts. And vitally, the outlets of Lake Kaweah and Lake Success, which are just west of the Sierra Nevada and manage water for farms in the eastern San Joaquin Valley, are not set up for sending water far south.

Rep. Jim Costa, a Democrat who represents a chunk of the San Joaquin Valley, wrote in a Feb. 1 letter to Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth that the releases — coming as they did when there’s little demand for irrigation, as well as a low snowpack — pose “grave threats to a reliable water supply this year.”

I was reading that yesterday....really fucking stupid and textbook trump

and the worst part? he'll brag about it until he dies and the magats will applaud him for it

Impeachable offense?

DE4173

Understood. Thanks to you both.

Spiritual_Chaos

To busy planning exercises with Russia I imagine. Speaking of threats to the world:

The United States has told its allies that it does not plan to participate in military exercises in Europe, according to reports.

The move, the latest in Donald Trump's pivot away from the bloc, would see America pull out of exercises beyond those already scheduled for this year.

The withdrawal concerns exercises that are on the "drawing board", according to Swedish newspaper Expressen.

It means that Nato countries will be forced to plan exercises without the participation of the US military, the largest in the alliance.

mickeyrat

https://www.threads.net/@keithboykin/post/DG58a6PPX8t?xmt=AQGz-eB3EYgIWNDvfeRJ8YN0nkzNC0O2LixxXCj2v_fyhg

The Army Corps of Engineers knowingly wasted 2.5 billion gallons of precious California water under instructions from the White House to take a photo and send it to Trump for a social media post.

Colonel Chad Caldwell obeyed Trump's reckless order even though he knew the LA wildfires had already been contained and the water would never reach Southern California anyway.

mickeyrat

video....

https://www.threads.net/@24hoursofukraine/post/DG6CJQtIBL-?xmt=AQGze_BKXq3i2WsDfeaXheKQsL9IcWCmqVCUVbIBGej_GQ

REPORTER: You said on social media that Russia is pounding Ukraine. Why not provide Ukraine with air defenses?

🇺🇦🇺🇸Trump: Because I have to know that they want to settle. We want them to settle.

mickeyrat

https://www.threads.net/@keithboykin/post/DG8YumEJSQ2?xmt=AQGzsqSpg87uzgiByK8WVvpPxqgsiehNhuvXE-Z9bKBj-A

New Trump executive order bans student loan forgiveness for low-income public service employees who work at nonprofits if they promote diversity, help immigrants, or help transgender people.

Get_Right

Gern Blansten said:

DE4173 said:

The Juggler said:

mickeyrat said:

DE4173 said:

mickeyrat said:

DE4173 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Harris was the sitting VP. Come on. You have to acknowledge that obviously changes things. Maybe they should have let Hillary run again? 😂 

Senator Hillary Clinton (pre-emails and additional actions/inactions, etc that hurt her candidacy in 2016) lost the Dem primary in 2008 because of other reasons, so it's not outside the realm of possibility of her losing other elections (2016). 

I don't recall what Senator Kamala Harris's popularity was in 2020 (when she didn't have one electoral vote), so it's not outside the realm of possibility that she would lose other elections (2024).

Vice President Harris having four years of experience as VP definitely made a positive difference for her as a candidate in 2024. I don't know how she would've fared in an open primary, but if she lost, by lack of votes by Dems, would it be okay because the Dems said no thanks, but in a general election her loss is not okay?

hard to have any delegates when you drop out before Iowa.

Very.

The support was not there for her from the Democrat party and Democrat voters in that primary and that's okay, but losing in a general election is not okay because of other factors?

yes, top of ticket 100 days out. a county or two in Pa and Maricopa Az are conducting an inquiry in the counting process as there were some glitches at that critical time. Fuckstick made certain statements suggesting shenanigans. 

imo she and walz left it all on the field

nothing to be ashamed of imo.

The primary thing is so funny to me. I love how these people just gloss over the fact that she was on the ticket in 2020 when they won the election.

My point is for President in 2020 there were several candidates that Democrats preferred to then Senator Harris for whatever reasons, so when it came to the presidential general election in 2024, it shouldn't be a surprise that she wasn't the preferred candidate for the same and additional reasons.

The party got behind it though. It also seems like campaign finance laws may have had something to do with it. Since she was already on the ticket, etc.

Regardless...not her fault that too many dumbasses either didn't vote or voted for Cheeto fuckface

I have said it before and I will say it again. Kamala lost because her campaign was terrible. They dropped the ball. 

mace1229

I never thought it was the campaign. It was the process, or lack of. People don’t like her being just appointed. Even Obama wanted some sort of process and was against it at first.
Several months before Biden dropped Kamala’s approval was very low, people were even asking if Biden would stick with her. I think most knew he would, but she was disliked enough to ask. Then all of the sudden she’s the top of the ticket.
In most elections you only need to win by switching 2-3% of the voters, or not give them a reason to vote. I think not having any process and just handing it to Kamala was enough to do that.

Gern Blansten

mace1229 said:

I never thought it was the campaign. It was the process, or lack of. People don’t like her being just appointed. Even Obama wanted some sort of process and was against it at first.
Several months before Biden dropped Kamala’s approval was very low, people were even asking if Biden would stick with her. I think most knew he would, but she was disliked enough to ask. Then all of the sudden she’s the top of the ticket.
In most elections you only need to win by switching 2-3% of the voters, or not give them a reason to vote. I think not having any process and just handing it to Kamala was enough to do that.

That had to have had an impact but I do think the campaign funds were the big issue. And maybe time...was there time to go through that process? It seems like the dems came together after those issues came to light.

DE4173

My thought was if they held an open primary and VP Harris lost, you could kiss the African American support in the general goodbye. 👋