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I'll concede that you did say "as long as you don't sell"....true... my response was due to seeing tons of people panic and sell when it's low and then wait until it goes back up to buy.
And yes...I understand the stock market and its historical returns. I've got my series 7 after all. I was dissecting your comment that everything that goes down will comes back up which is definitely not true when you look at individual stocks. If you are referring to the market in general sure it will go back up...always does. But tons of people still lose.
And I'm sorry about the red hat comment. You probably don't need another one.
I subscribe to the ronco method of 401k investment.
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Q: Republican members of Congress are facing pushback from voters in town halls. Voters say they’re angry at what your administration is doing. What do you say to them?
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ALERT: While you were distracted, Trump just ordered the Justice Department to DELETE the federal police misconduct database. That means no records, no accountability, and no way to track abuses. This is how a police state starts.
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NEW: One of Trump’s most damaging strikes against U.S. climate policy is buried in an executive order that would obliterate a critically important calculation the government uses to gauge the real-world costs that climate change imposes on the economy.
The change would effectively transfer financial responsibility from oil drillers, auto manufacturers and others and leave Americans to face greater direct costs as warming continues.
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One of President Donald Trump’s most damaging strikes at the foundation of U.S. climate policy is buried deep in a sweeping Inauguration Day executive order focused on “Unleashing American Energy.” Half way through the lengthy document is a directive that would obliterate an obscure but critically important calculation the government uses to gauge the real-world costs that climate change is imposing on the U.S. economy.
Getting rid of the measure, called the “social cost of carbon,” would upend energy and environmental regulations meant to address climate change and could have the long-term effect of shifting costs from polluting industries directly onto Americans as the expenses of climate change rise.
The measure essentially establishes a price for each ton of carbon emitted, based on the long-term damages it is expected to cause in the future. It has become the government’s primary tool to weigh the economic costs of climate change — such as disaster cleanup or health impacts from warming — against the burden of regulations.
The executive order disbanded the working group, which included the treasury secretary, energy secretary and director of national economic policy, that set the social cost of carbon and advised how it should be implemented. It revoked that group’s previous decisions. And it directed the Environmental Protection Agency, which calculates the figure and bases regulatory proposals on it, to reconsider using the social cost of carbon altogether with the goal of eradicating “abuse” that stands in the way of affordable energy production.
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Doesn’t the timing seem a little bit too convenient that the same time Trump appoints Alice Marie Johnson as “Pardon Czar” and does the photo opp at the White House, he also shuts down the National Law Enforcement Accountability Database, a federal misconduct tracking system ordered by Biden, that was intended to prevent officers with disciplinary records from being rehired by other agencies ?
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Just did a tax return on a retired couple...they aren't old enough to take RMDs from their IRAs yet so social security and interest income is their only reportable income.
Total interest $5,440, Total SS $66,148....taxable income $0
Just pointing out how the "no tax on social security" thing is geared heavily toward the wealthy.
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Just did a tax return on a retired couple...they aren't old enough to take RMDs from their IRAs yet so social security and interest income is their only reportable income.
Total interest $5,440, Total SS $66,148....taxable income $0
Just pointing out how the "no tax on social security" thing is geared heavily toward the wealthy.
$66K plus social security for one year? Holy shit! We get no more near that much.
"Don't give in to the lies. Don't give in to the fear. Hold on to the truth. And to hope."
Just did a tax return on a retired couple...they aren't old enough to take RMDs from their IRAs yet so social security and interest income is their only reportable income.
Total interest $5,440, Total SS $66,148....taxable income $0
Just pointing out how the "no tax on social security" thing is geared heavily toward the wealthy.
$66K plus social security for one year? Holy shit! We get no more near that much.
High earner...two high earners together can gross about $80K. Kind of crazy.
And zero tax if that is your only income.
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Yeah but I wonder if the return equals the investment. I will wait until 67 to claim it but it seems like have been paying much more. Probably from age 20 or so.
Yeah but I wonder if the return equals the investment. I will wait until 67 to claim it but it seems like have been paying much more. Probably from age 20 or so.
I started putting into social security when I was 14 years old. I went and got a job at a local hot dog stand. Haha
Take me piece by piece..... Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
Yeah but I wonder if the return equals the investment. I will wait until 67 to claim it but it seems like have been paying much more. Probably from age 20 or so.
depends on how long you live...that's what makes the decision of taking it at 62 vs full retirement age hard to answer.
I ran my numbers and found that if I knew for a fact that I would live to 80 it would make sense to wait to pull SS until I was 70. Then if I live to 90 my SS benefit payout would have been about $120K higher than pulling at 67...$319K more if I pulled at 62.
If I pull at 67 vs 62 and live to 90 it's a gap of about $200K. Can be significant
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The Jimmy Carter Presidential Library was forced to cancel events featuring authors of books on civil rights, climate change, and homelessness after the Trump administration fired the National Archivist. The National Archives oversees programming at 13 presidential libraries.
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NEW: Public health teams are being gutted, imperiling efforts to safeguard organ donation and prevent maternal and infant death. Many workers expressed fear at what would happen to the work they left behind. https://propub.li/4386GDt
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Remember the underground "mine" President Musk mentioned? The federal workers there were interviewed, and it's no surprise they voted for Trump. What frustrates me is that now they're regretting their vote because it hurt them. They fail to see the bigger picture—how social services, undocumented tax dollars, and free education for all children benefit our country. For them, it's all about "me, me, me," mixed with hate for anyone who doesn't look like them. usathreads
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-EV 8/14/93
While rooting against the Ravens failing.
1996; 9/28 New York
1997: 11/14 Oakland, 11/15 Oakland
1998: 7/5 Dallas, 7/7 Albuquerque, 7/8 Phoenix, 7/10 San Diego, 7/11 Las Vegas
2000: 10/17 Dallas
2003: 4/3 OKC
2012: 11/17 Tulsa(EV), 11/18 Tulsa(EV)
2013: 11/16 OKC
2014: 10/8 Tulsa
2022: 9/20 OKC
2023: 9/13 Ft Worth, 9/15 Ft Worth
https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/21/politics/trump-fires-top-us-general-cq-brown/index.html
-EV 8/14/93
yes, I am in fact rooting against the failure of the united states.
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me too.
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non-evil people:
-EV 8/14/93
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Trump: I have the best poll numbers
(Polls show that Trump’s approval is plunging)
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Trump Order Shifts the Financial Burden of Climate Change Onto Individuals
The change would effectively transfer financial responsibility from oil drillers, auto manufacturers and others and leave Americans to face greater direct costs as warming continues.
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One of President Donald Trump’s most damaging strikes at the foundation of U.S. climate policy is buried deep in a sweeping Inauguration Day executive order focused on “Unleashing American Energy.” Half way through the lengthy document is a directive that would obliterate an obscure but critically important calculation the government uses to gauge the real-world costs that climate change is imposing on the U.S. economy.
Getting rid of the measure, called the “social cost of carbon,” would upend energy and environmental regulations meant to address climate change and could have the long-term effect of shifting costs from polluting industries directly onto Americans as the expenses of climate change rise.
The measure essentially establishes a price for each ton of carbon emitted, based on the long-term damages it is expected to cause in the future. It has become the government’s primary tool to weigh the economic costs of climate change — such as disaster cleanup or health impacts from warming — against the burden of regulations.
The executive order disbanded the working group, which included the treasury secretary, energy secretary and director of national economic policy, that set the social cost of carbon and advised how it should be implemented. It revoked that group’s previous decisions. And it directed the Environmental Protection Agency, which calculates the figure and bases regulatory proposals on it, to reconsider using the social cost of carbon altogether with the goal of eradicating “abuse” that stands in the way of affordable energy production.
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Yesterday, Trump cleared insurrectionists of even more crimes, including illegal gun possession and drug dealing.
How is this making America safer?
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This really explains the affinity and subservience of comrade president krasnov to putin and russia ‼️
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Total interest $5,440, Total SS $66,148....taxable income $0
Just pointing out how the "no tax on social security" thing is geared heavily toward the wealthy.
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
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2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
$66K plus social security for one year? Holy shit! We get no more near that much.
And zero tax if that is your only income.
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
Till there aint nothing left worth taking away from me.....
I ran my numbers and found that if I knew for a fact that I would live to 80 it would make sense to wait to pull SS until I was 70. Then if I live to 90 my SS benefit payout would have been about $120K higher than pulling at 67...$319K more if I pulled at 62.
If I pull at 67 vs 62 and live to 90 it's a gap of about $200K. Can be significant
The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
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