F2F is OPEN

Chrrie

Mac57 said:

Just missed 2 for Hollywood N2 Sect 204 row J seats 13 & 14. First Tickets that I have seen a month, but couldn't even cart. Still looking for 2 together or 2 singles.

FWIW as of right now there are no tickets in that row/section on Vivid or StubHub at the moment. So if nothing shows up in the next 24 hours likely that was a link. 

Also anecdotally I have had no “glitches” on links for less desirable seats or less in demand shows— shows that have had recent drops or more activity in general. Not really drawing conclusions from that because I don’t know everyone’s experience but thought it was interesting to note. 

Mac57

Chrrie said:

Mac57 said:

Just missed 2 for Hollywood N2 Sect 204 row J seats 13 & 14. First Tickets that I have seen a month, but couldn't even cart. Still looking for 2 together or 2 singles.

FWIW as of right now there are no tickets in that row/section on Vivid or StubHub at the moment. So if nothing shows up in the next 24 hours likely that was a link. 

Also anecdotally I have had no “glitches” on links for less desirable seats or less in demand shows— shows that have had recent drops or more activity in general. Not really drawing conclusions from that because I don’t know everyone’s experience but thought it was interesting to note. 

Thanks, TickPick has 2 in row J, but no seat #s. Let's just hope someone here got the tickets and good luck for all of us still looking for tickets.

given2flym

Mac57 said:

Chrrie said:

Mac57 said:

Just missed 2 for Hollywood N2 Sect 204 row J seats 13 & 14. First Tickets that I have seen a month, but couldn't even cart. Still looking for 2 together or 2 singles.

FWIW as of right now there are no tickets in that row/section on Vivid or StubHub at the moment. So if nothing shows up in the next 24 hours likely that was a link. 

Also anecdotally I have had no “glitches” on links for less desirable seats or less in demand shows— shows that have had recent drops or more activity in general. Not really drawing conclusions from that because I don’t know everyone’s experience but thought it was interesting to note. 

Thanks, TickPick has 2 in row J, but no seat #s. Let's just hope someone here got the tickets and good luck for all of us still looking for tickets.

Not sure where you’re seeing 204 J. Nothing on Tickpick as of now. Either night

Mac57

oops, I looked at 304, Lets hope a fan got the tickets. Thanks for checking.

Chrrie

Mac57 said:

Just missed 2 for Hollywood N2 Sect 204 row J seats 13 & 14. First Tickets that I have seen a month, but couldn't even cart. Still looking for 2 together or 2 singles.

Look who made it! 

I’m sorry if posting these every time it happens is getting old but I want the system to change going forward and I’m not going to be complacent or resigned about it in the hopes it bothers other people enough too. 

Merkin Baller

Chrrie said:

Mac57 said:

Just missed 2 for Hollywood N2 Sect 204 row J seats 13 & 14. First Tickets that I have seen a month, but couldn't even cart. Still looking for 2 together or 2 singles.

Look who made it! 

I’m sorry if posting these every time it happens is getting old but I want the system to change going forward and I’m not going to be complacent or resigned about it in the hopes it bothers other people enough too. 

Keep posting them. 

@Sea @Kat - is there any corrective action in the works for these 10C tickets falling into the hands of scalpers, or is this the new norm moving forward? 

ally12

Chrrie said:

Mac57 said:

Just missed 2 for Hollywood N2 Sect 204 row J seats 13 & 14. First Tickets that I have seen a month, but couldn't even cart. Still looking for 2 together or 2 singles.

Look who made it! 

I’m sorry if posting these every time it happens is getting old but I want the system to change going forward and I’m not going to be complacent or resigned about it in the hopes it bothers other people enough too. 

I think you are doing a great job tbh. You seem to have the knowledge, background and concert goer experience to fully understand the issues.

i would say put a proposal together and try to get into someone’s hands

given2flym

Merkin Baller said:

Chrrie said:

Mac57 said:

Just missed 2 for Hollywood N2 Sect 204 row J seats 13 & 14. First Tickets that I have seen a month, but couldn't even cart. Still looking for 2 together or 2 singles.

Look who made it! 

I’m sorry if posting these every time it happens is getting old but I want the system to change going forward and I’m not going to be complacent or resigned about it in the hopes it bothers other people enough too. 

Keep posting them. 

@Sea @Kat - is there any corrective action in the works for these 10C tickets falling into the hands of scalpers, or is this the new norm moving forward? 

Thanks for tagging Kat and Sea. I don’t know who can do something or what can even be done, but the evidence is all over. And it’s not just a pair here and there. It’s essentially every bit of inventory that is intended to be sold within the community - at face value - ending up on secondary sites. They essentially control more of the inventory than is on TM. 

Merkin Baller

given2flym said:

Merkin Baller said:

Chrrie said:

Mac57 said:

Just missed 2 for Hollywood N2 Sect 204 row J seats 13 & 14. First Tickets that I have seen a month, but couldn't even cart. Still looking for 2 together or 2 singles.

Look who made it! 

I’m sorry if posting these every time it happens is getting old but I want the system to change going forward and I’m not going to be complacent or resigned about it in the hopes it bothers other people enough too. 

Keep posting them. 

@Sea @Kat - is there any corrective action in the works for these 10C tickets falling into the hands of scalpers, or is this the new norm moving forward? 

Thanks for tagging Kat and Sea. I don’t know who can do something or what can even be done, but the evidence is all over. And it’s not just a pair here and there. It’s essentially every bit of inventory that is intended to be sold within the community - at face value - ending up on secondary sites. They essentially control more of the inventory than is on TM. 

If 10C tickets aren't restricted to the 10C anymore, that's a pretty big membership perk out the window. 

RatherStarved

Merkin Baller said:

given2flym said:

Merkin Baller said:

Chrrie said:

Mac57 said:

Just missed 2 for Hollywood N2 Sect 204 row J seats 13 & 14. First Tickets that I have seen a month, but couldn't even cart. Still looking for 2 together or 2 singles.

Look who made it! 

I’m sorry if posting these every time it happens is getting old but I want the system to change going forward and I’m not going to be complacent or resigned about it in the hopes it bothers other people enough too. 

Keep posting them. 

@Sea @Kat - is there any corrective action in the works for these 10C tickets falling into the hands of scalpers, or is this the new norm moving forward? 

Thanks for tagging Kat and Sea. I don’t know who can do something or what can even be done, but the evidence is all over. And it’s not just a pair here and there. It’s essentially every bit of inventory that is intended to be sold within the community - at face value - ending up on secondary sites. They essentially control more of the inventory than is on TM. 

If 10C tickets aren't restricted to the 10C anymore, that's a pretty big membership perk out the window. 

I’m not defending what’s going on but the perk is being able to enter the draw.  Ten club has never offered to my knowledge that ten club members have first dibs on tickets sold by other ten club members.  That would be a cool thing but I don’t think we ever had that, so we can’t have lost it.  

Go Animal

Chrrie said:

Mac57 said:

Just missed 2 for Hollywood N2 Sect 204 row J seats 13 & 14. First Tickets that I have seen a month, but couldn't even cart. Still looking for 2 together or 2 singles.

Look who made it! 

I’m sorry if posting these every time it happens is getting old but I want the system to change going forward and I’m not going to be complacent or resigned about it in the hopes it bothers other people enough too. 

No, it needs to be done/said.

given2flym

RatherStarved said:

Merkin Baller said:

given2flym said:

Merkin Baller said:

Chrrie said:

Mac57 said:

Just missed 2 for Hollywood N2 Sect 204 row J seats 13 & 14. First Tickets that I have seen a month, but couldn't even cart. Still looking for 2 together or 2 singles.

Look who made it! 

I’m sorry if posting these every time it happens is getting old but I want the system to change going forward and I’m not going to be complacent or resigned about it in the hopes it bothers other people enough too. 

Keep posting them. 

@Sea @Kat - is there any corrective action in the works for these 10C tickets falling into the hands of scalpers, or is this the new norm moving forward? 

Thanks for tagging Kat and Sea. I don’t know who can do something or what can even be done, but the evidence is all over. And it’s not just a pair here and there. It’s essentially every bit of inventory that is intended to be sold within the community - at face value - ending up on secondary sites. They essentially control more of the inventory than is on TM. 

If 10C tickets aren't restricted to the 10C anymore, that's a pretty big membership perk out the window. 

I’m not defending what’s going on but the perk is being able to enter the draw.  Ten club has never offered to my knowledge that ten club members have first dibs on tickets sold by other ten club members.  That would be a cool thing but I don’t think we ever had that, so we can’t have lost it.  

While technically true, the initial fan 2 fan iteration in 2022 ( and parts of 2023 ) made it function as a true fan to fan marketplace. Yes, non tenclub members could purchase those resale tickets, but it was at face value and it was always going to be at face value unless a seller wanted to go through the mess of selling an entire account, etc. Effectively putting tickets in the hands of actual fans. And keeping them there. 

Once the transferable barcode hack came into play, fan to fan essentially died because of the ability of scalpers to relatively easily transfer a ticket sold on a secondary market. 

Chrrie

ally12 said:

Chrrie said:

Mac57 said:

Just missed 2 for Hollywood N2 Sect 204 row J seats 13 & 14. First Tickets that I have seen a month, but couldn't even cart. Still looking for 2 together or 2 singles.

Look who made it! 

I’m sorry if posting these every time it happens is getting old but I want the system to change going forward and I’m not going to be complacent or resigned about it in the hopes it bothers other people enough too. 

I think you are doing a great job tbh. You seem to have the knowledge, background and concert goer experience to fully understand the issues.

i would say put a proposal together and try to get into someone’s hands

Thanks! It’s not even about whether I’ll be able to get tickets eventually. I haven’t had tickets more than 24 hours out to all the shows I wanted to go to since 2023. Although I’ll admit I’m concerned about Hollywood but I trust my fan to fan skills more than anyone except maybe SHZA haha 

The barcode hack has been out for almost two years by the time the first shows begin. The exploit has been explained on tech blogs, I cannot fathom why the loophole shouldn’t have been closed in a hotfix within a week unless they just don’t care which at this point should be pretty obvious. I’m hoping if the artists can put pressure on them through their channels we could see it be fixed eventually, and I’m not saying that would completely stop scalping but they’d have to go back to credential sharing which has been an option since 2022 and we all know the process was possible to win on that tour and even in 23. 

RatherStarved

given2flym said:

RatherStarved said:

Merkin Baller said:

given2flym said:

Merkin Baller said:

Chrrie said:

Mac57 said:

Just missed 2 for Hollywood N2 Sect 204 row J seats 13 & 14. First Tickets that I have seen a month, but couldn't even cart. Still looking for 2 together or 2 singles.

Look who made it! 

I’m sorry if posting these every time it happens is getting old but I want the system to change going forward and I’m not going to be complacent or resigned about it in the hopes it bothers other people enough too. 

Keep posting them. 

@Sea @Kat - is there any corrective action in the works for these 10C tickets falling into the hands of scalpers, or is this the new norm moving forward? 

Thanks for tagging Kat and Sea. I don’t know who can do something or what can even be done, but the evidence is all over. And it’s not just a pair here and there. It’s essentially every bit of inventory that is intended to be sold within the community - at face value - ending up on secondary sites. They essentially control more of the inventory than is on TM. 

If 10C tickets aren't restricted to the 10C anymore, that's a pretty big membership perk out the window. 

I’m not defending what’s going on but the perk is being able to enter the draw.  Ten club has never offered to my knowledge that ten club members have first dibs on tickets sold by other ten club members.  That would be a cool thing but I don’t think we ever had that, so we can’t have lost it.  

While technically true, the initial fan 2 fan iteration in 2022 ( and parts of 2023 ) made it function as a true fan to fan marketplace. Yes, non tenclub members could purchase those resale tickets, but it was at face value and it was always going to be at face value unless a seller wanted to go through the mess of selling an entire account, etc. Effectively putting tickets in the hands of actual fans. And keeping them there. 

Once the transferable barcode hack came into play, fan to fan essentially died because of the ability of scalpers to relatively easily transfer a ticket sold on a secondary market. 

Don’t get me wrong, I loved the 2022-23 system and I hate it now.  

given2flym

Don’t get me wrong, I loved the 2022-23 system and I hate it now.  

That’s the thing. It’s the same system. It has just been exploited to the point of being of no use to fans. 

It is now on Ticketmaster, probably by way of pressure from artists, etc., to do something to close those loopholes that would allow the feature to function as it did. As intended. 

Mac57

Chrrie said:

Mac57 said:

Just missed 2 for Hollywood N2 Sect 204 row J seats 13 & 14. First Tickets that I have seen a month, but couldn't even cart. Still looking for 2 together or 2 singles.

Look who made it! 

I’m sorry if posting these every time it happens is getting old but I want the system to change going forward and I’m not going to be complacent or resigned about it in the hopes it bothers other people enough too. 

Thanks, and keep up the good work!, should be interesting in Hollywood for Night 2. Good luck all.

EH14457

given2flym said:

Don’t get me wrong, I loved the 2022-23 system and I hate it now.  

That’s the thing. It’s the same system. It has just been exploited to the point of being of no use to fans. 

It is now on Ticketmaster, probably by way of pressure from artists, etc., to do something to close those loopholes that would allow the feature to function as it did. As intended. 

That's the correct take. All the shenanigans happening with F2F this tour are squarely TM's fault for not being able to secure their platform. F2F was marketed as a way to ensure that more tickets get into real fans' hands at face value. But now that 3rd parties can generate the barcodes for non-transferable tickets it's open season for bots & brokers on F2F tickets. And as we've seen repeatedly in this thread, TM's anti-bot algorithms are ineffective. Sophisticated broker-networks are still snatching up F2F listings in seconds while actual fans who sporadically refresh get blocked. Again, TM's fault.

I would argue that at this point there is an extremely strong likelihood that more real fans would get face value tickets if the tickets were made transferrable via TM rather than locked into TM F2F. I just have to believe, based on anecdotal evidence, that there are enough like-minded fans on PJ socials who want to swap tickets or would sell extras at face value (off platform transaction + ticket transfer). But right now neither of those is possible.

A more elegant solution (10c marketplace, escrow, etc... for 10c-linked TM accounts) would take prioritization and development, so odds of that happening are probably very low. But aside from any contractual impediments, enabling ticket transfers for this tour should be as simple as flipping a switch. If I were 10c I would seriously consider making that request of TM. The intent of F2F was great, but TM hasn't upheld their end of the bargain. And it really like feels like fans are jumping through way more hoops right now for any chance of face value tickets than they would be if F2F just didn't even exist.

steven87

Chrrie said:

Mac57 said:

Just missed 2 for Hollywood N2 Sect 204 row J seats 13 & 14. First Tickets that I have seen a month, but couldn't even cart. Still looking for 2 together or 2 singles.

Look who made it! 

I’m sorry if posting these every time it happens is getting old but I want the system to change going forward and I’m not going to be complacent or resigned about it in the hopes it bothers other people enough too. 

Please keep on doing this! And thanks for all your hard work! The only way things will change is if we’re able to find enough examples of scalpers exploiting the existing system and they decide to revamp it for future tours. Keep fighting the good fight! 💪

ally12

Chrrie said:

ally12 said:

Chrrie said:

Mac57 said:

Just missed 2 for Hollywood N2 Sect 204 row J seats 13 & 14. First Tickets that I have seen a month, but couldn't even cart. Still looking for 2 together or 2 singles.

Look who made it! 

I’m sorry if posting these every time it happens is getting old but I want the system to change going forward and I’m not going to be complacent or resigned about it in the hopes it bothers other people enough too. 

I think you are doing a great job tbh. You seem to have the knowledge, background and concert goer experience to fully understand the issues.

i would say put a proposal together and try to get into someone’s hands

Thanks! It’s not even about whether I’ll be able to get tickets eventually. I haven’t had tickets more than 24 hours out to all the shows I wanted to go to since 2023. Although I’ll admit I’m concerned about Hollywood but I trust my fan to fan skills more than anyone except maybe SHZA haha 

The barcode hack has been out for almost two years by the time the first shows begin. The exploit has been explained on tech blogs, I cannot fathom why the loophole shouldn’t have been closed in a hotfix within a week unless they just don’t care which at this point should be pretty obvious. I’m hoping if the artists can put pressure on them through their channels we could see it be fixed eventually, and I’m not saying that would completely stop scalping but they’d have to go back to credential sharing which has been an option since 2022 and we all know the process was possible to win on that tour and even in 23. 

Interesting! Hopefully the band  noticed  the shift in ticketing practices during the current tour and hopefully are brainstorming some ideas

given2flym

And another pair from Facebook yesterday: