This is the way. There is no substitute. https://www.phishfirstentry.com/ Online lotto open 2 days prior to show, find out the day before if you won (around 200 winners), queue starts 2 hours before doors on show day, ID check, plus one (optional), also ID check for plus one - find out the day before. It would take PJ 2-3 employees to accomplish this per show. Camping for two nights is certifiable when the point (IMHO) of touring around with your friends is to see the world not hang out on a sidewalk. To a larger point it would also allow a lot of people up front who would not normally get that opportunity for a lot of (work/life) reason's that keep them from the queue.
I looked at their site, once you get a GA ticket you have to enter a separate lottery for rail? The band controls which fan gets what number in line?
How to do you get GA tickets? Through the band’s fanclub ticket lottery?
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This is the way. There is no substitute. https://www.phishfirstentry.com/ Online lotto open 2 days prior to show, find out the day before if you won (around 200 winners), queue starts 2 hours before doors on show day, ID check, plus one (optional), also ID check for plus one - find out the day before. It would take PJ 2-3 employees to accomplish this per show. Camping for two nights is certifiable when the point (IMHO) of touring around with your friends is to see the world not hang out on a sidewalk. To a larger point it would also allow a lot of people up front who would not normally get that opportunity for a lot of (wok/life) reason's that keep them from the queue. Present Tense for days in a Queue. Lol.
This is definitely the best system. But anybody that is mad at people in the Pearl Jam pit or this system, should go check out phish.net. The phish pit is very far from perfect. The most notorious Phish pit jerk, nicknamed Antelope Greg, died this year and it seemed like every member of the phish community had a story about what an asshole he was.
If anybody in the Pearl Jam pit ever sees a person with a tarp and duct tape, tackle that person. Trust me.
It is comparing two different era's of Phish - this system is very new, and Greg's antics are from the 1.0 era. The common theme is entitlement, this system will not cure that or stop people from abusing the system, but it is a much better way to run the queue with minimal investment, again in my opinion. I love all the people up front a lot, I miss hanging out with most of them. The camping thing is fine for a night if that is your jam - but with these shows spread out over a month with a night in between shows, spending a whole tour (month) in tent is getting a bit ridiculous. Just my two cents. Carry on!
This is the way. There is no substitute. https://www.phishfirstentry.com/ Online lotto open 2 days prior to show, find out the day before if you won (around 200 winners), queue starts 2 hours before doors on show day, ID check, plus one (optional), also ID check for plus one - find out the day before. It would take PJ 2-3 employees to accomplish this per show. Camping for two nights is certifiable when the point (IMHO) of touring around with your friends is to see the world not hang out on a sidewalk. To a larger point it would also allow a lot of people up front who would not normally get that opportunity for a lot of (work/life) reason's that keep them from the queue.
It does seem like the current system results in a bunch of people wasting a colossal amount of time. I understand that people use vacation time so they wouldn't necessarily be doing anything productive anyway, and I get that there's a social aspect to the camping that people enjoy. But there are surely better ways to socialize and use vacation time in these cities than spending 48 hours under the El tracks.
And no one in the area really wants to see a homeless encampment for a week when PJ comes to town.
This is the way. There is no substitute. https://www.phishfirstentry.com/ Online lotto open 2 days prior to show, find out the day before if you won (around 200 winners), queue starts 2 hours before doors on show day, ID check, plus one (optional), also ID check for plus one - find out the day before. It would take PJ 2-3 employees to accomplish this per show. Camping for two nights is certifiable when the point (IMHO) of touring around with your friends is to see the world not hang out on a sidewalk. To a larger point it would also allow a lot of people up front who would not normally get that opportunity for a lot of (wok/life) reason's that keep them from the queue. Present Tense for days in a Queue. Lol.
This is definitely the best system. But anybody that is mad at people in the Pearl Jam pit or this system, should go check out phish.net. The phish pit is very far from perfect. The most notorious Phish pit jerk, nicknamed Antelope Greg, died this year and it seemed like every member of the phish community had a story about what an asshole he was.
If anybody in the Pearl Jam pit ever sees a person with a tarp and duct tape, tackle that person. Trust me.
Not that I'm complaining, but Phish seems to have rail regulars, like the black bra girl at MSG last year. Again, not that I'm complaining or that it impacted my behind stage view/experience
The Phish lottery hasn't changed anything, though it is a noble attempt. The same folks are still upfront at every show because they quickly figured out how to game the lottery system with fake names, multiple entries, and the same horse trading among the regulars that you see here in PJ land.
My main complaint with the rail riders is that they are absolutely selfish, absolutely hold spots and game the system any way they can, and absolutely ruin the vibes in the front of the pit. They are so defensive of their spots that there is a tense feeling the entire show. Spoiler alert, people are going to weasel their way up to the front. It's GA. How did these people survive the 90s shows? The entitlement is palpable anytime you're around this group.
The "push and shove their way up front" crew is another loathsome cohort. Lots of aberrant behavior when it's a free-for-all for the best spots.
TBH I think the roll in at lights and shove your way to the front is far worse than any things the regular rail riders do. I'd be aggro about that too if I spend 24 hours waiting for my spot
The Phish lottery hasn't changed anything, though it is a noble attempt. The same folks are still upfront at every show because they quickly figured out how to game the lottery system with fake names, multiple entries, and the same horse trading among the regulars that you see here in PJ land.
You are not wrong per se.
You know what it does change... You do not have to show up to the venue until 5PM on show day and THIS is the point.
What you do from that point on is between you and the karmic gods.
This is the way. There is no substitute. https://www.phishfirstentry.com/ Online lotto open 2 days prior to show, find out the day before if you won (around 200 winners), queue starts 2 hours before doors on show day, ID check, plus one (optional), also ID check for plus one - find out the day before. It would take PJ 2-3 employees to accomplish this per show. Camping for two nights is certifiable when the point (IMHO) of touring around with your friends is to see the world not hang out on a sidewalk. To a larger point it would also allow a lot of people up front who would not normally get that opportunity for a lot of (wok/life) reason's that keep them from the queue. Present Tense for days in a Queue. Lol.
This is definitely the best system. But anybody that is mad at people in the Pearl Jam pit or this system, should go check out phish.net. The phish pit is very far from perfect. The most notorious Phish pit jerk, nicknamed Antelope Greg, died this year and it seemed like every member of the phish community had a story about what an asshole he was.
If anybody in the Pearl Jam pit ever sees a person with a tarp and duct tape, tackle that person. Trust me.
Not that I'm complaining, but Phish seems to have rail regulars, like the black bra girl at MSG last year. Again, not that I'm complaining or that it impacted my behind stage view/experience
Oh yeah, this system also gets “gamed” since all the regular rail riders just have each other be their “plus one” and all end up at the front anyway.
The real phish problem is the tarpers. Who can all shove off. People bouncing around in the front every night typically are not the problem. I’ll mostly always be in the stands anyways, a chair is nice at set break.
"Change don't come at once, it's a wave, building before it breaks"
This is the way. There is no substitute. https://www.phishfirstentry.com/ Online lotto open 2 days prior to show, find out the day before if you won (around 200 winners), queue starts 2 hours before doors on show day, ID check, plus one (optional), also ID check for plus one - find out the day before. It would take PJ 2-3 employees to accomplish this per show. Camping for two nights is certifiable when the point (IMHO) of touring around with your friends is to see the world not hang out on a sidewalk. To a larger point it would also allow a lot of people up front who would not normally get that opportunity for a lot of (wok/life) reason's that keep them from the queue. Present Tense for days in a Queue. Lol.
This is definitely the best system. But anybody that is mad at people in the Pearl Jam pit or this system, should go check out phish.net. The phish pit is very far from perfect. The most notorious Phish pit jerk, nicknamed Antelope Greg, died this year and it seemed like every member of the phish community had a story about what an asshole he was.
If anybody in the Pearl Jam pit ever sees a person with a tarp and duct tape, tackle that person. Trust me.
Not that I'm complaining, but Phish seems to have rail regulars, like the black bra girl at MSG last year. Again, not that I'm complaining or that it impacted my behind stage view/experience
Oh yeah, this system also gets “gamed” since all the regular rail riders just have each other be their “plus one” and all end up at the front anyway.
The real phish problem is the tarpers. Who can all shove off. People bouncing around in the front every night typically are not the problem. I’ll mostly always be in the stands anyways, a chair is nice at set break.
Yes, I noticed all of the tarps laid out before the show.
The Phish lottery hasn't changed anything, though it is a noble attempt. The same folks are still upfront at every show because they quickly figured out how to game the lottery system with fake names, multiple entries, and the same horse trading among the regulars that you see here in PJ land.
You are not wrong per se.
You know what it does change... You do not have to show up to the venue until 5PM on show day and THIS is the point.
What you do from that point on is between you and the karmic gods.
See you all in 2025 (in the queue, lol)
Seems like it would still go the way it does with PJ though. When PJ and/or the venue make a statement saying no camping out or lining up before 8a, the diehards just camp out and line up elsewhere. Then when the ppl who actually followed the rules show up at 8a, they're told there was already a line and that they're behind all those people. I'd imagine the Phish diehards do the same.
This is the way. There is no substitute. https://www.phishfirstentry.com/ Online lotto open 2 days prior to show, find out the day before if you won (around 200 winners), queue starts 2 hours before doors on show day, ID check, plus one (optional), also ID check for plus one - find out the day before. It would take PJ 2-3 employees to accomplish this per show. Camping for two nights is certifiable when the point (IMHO) of touring around with your friends is to see the world not hang out on a sidewalk. To a larger point it would also allow a lot of people up front who would not normally get that opportunity for a lot of (wok/life) reason's that keep them from the queue. Present Tense for days in a Queue. Lol.
This is definitely the best system. But anybody that is mad at people in the Pearl Jam pit or this system, should go check out phish.net. The phish pit is very far from perfect. The most notorious Phish pit jerk, nicknamed Antelope Greg, died this year and it seemed like every member of the phish community had a story about what an asshole he was.
If anybody in the Pearl Jam pit ever sees a person with a tarp and duct tape, tackle that person. Trust me.
Not that I'm complaining, but Phish seems to have rail regulars, like the black bra girl at MSG last year. Again, not that I'm complaining or that it impacted my behind stage view/experience
Oh yeah, this system also gets “gamed” since all the regular rail riders just have each other be their “plus one” and all end up at the front anyway.
The real phish problem is the tarpers. Who can all shove off. People bouncing around in the front every night typically are not the problem. I’ll mostly always be in the stands anyways, a chair is nice at set break.
I've played my Tarpers rant on this forum at Even Flow-esque levels
I'm relatively new to "Pearl Jam Rail Culture". I've gotten rail 5 times in the last 20 shows I have attended. Some of those tickets were 10C lottery wins, others I obsessively checked F2F.
While waiting in line, I've made incredible friends. I've helped others who are new to the process because during my first night, many people were very kind and generous to me. I have witnessed MORE incredible acts of generosity than negativity while in line and that is what keeps me going back (when I have the time and tickets, of course). Except for the stressors of getting to the line early enough, I find waiting in line to be very relaxing. That's my selling point when I try to convince my fiends. There's nothing to do all day but sit, relax, and connect with others about Pearl Jam. I've waited my whole life for that! No one I knew liked them when I was growing up. The day goes fast for me because it's probably the only chance I can actually feel okay about not being productive for most of the day. How rare is that?
Now I hope I can convey my intention clearly here, as I'm trying to provide a fair insight into the situation. Reading through this thread, I am not going to tell anyone that they didn't experience what they experienced, for better or worse. I have a friend that had a very bad experience, and some of the behavior lines up with some things that other friends have told me they experienced. Of course, I only know their side, but when different people (from different regions of the US) say the same thing, it's really hard not to wonder if they are true. That said, I try to give people the benefit of the doubt and talk with them. Some of the people I heard bad things about turned out to be awesome AF! And others, I've tried to break the ice but got the cold shoulder instead. What can you do? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. We all have bad moments or get off on the wrong foot with someone. I realize now, more often than not, it's a misunderstanding.
Speaking of the idea of official numbering systems, I want to share what Iron Maiden does (I'm also in their fan club). I'm curious about your thoughts. IMFC gives fans with GA tickets the opportunity to enter into their First to the Barrier contest. The week of the show, 60 people (and their plus 1) are notified that they won. This is how they choose winners: "All the valid entries for a show go into a spreadsheet, then we de-duplicate the entries to make sure it’s only one per person. Then we have a quick visual check for anything obviously wrong (like people not putting a real name in). Finally we use a random number generator to assign each entry a number, and sort the entries based on that number. The lowest 60 numbers win." No waiting in line, just show up and get your wristband and you can enter in to as many shows as you have GA tickets for. Not everyone who qualifies for the contest enters.
I'd love for 10C to do this, but there's one caveat. Everyone who has rail for Iron Maiden loses their minds during the show! We all know the energy you provide to a band comes back at you. Meaning, people who win FTTB bring the energy every time. I'm not sure if PJ fans can consistently do this, TBH. Am I wrong? I do know that as it is right now, the PJ rail regulars consistently bring it!
I think I saw you in Vancouver! This is a solid suggestion!
So say for Pittsburgh, Iron Maiden notifies all the GA ticket holders of their rail contest. 60 people enter the contest and the band draws and assigns number 1-60. number 1-20 get rail and numbers 20-60 will be second row and so on? I just guess led how long their rail im sure you would k ow the exact cut off number.
Iron Maiden runs the same contest for every concert date?
The system makes sense and some locations do this but it’s not a sanctioned contest.
MSG I believe gave out numbered wristbands in the AM and asked everyone to leave.
i think the fan base will bring the energy more. You can use MSG as an example, everyone was well rested and brought the energy.
Yeah, iron maiden has the same contest for every show, except for places with official systems in place. I just saw them in Japan this year, bought tickets through the fan club last year. No first to the barrier contest there because GA tickets sold in Japan (for small shows all the way up to arena shows) assign tickets a letter and group number, kind of like Southwest Airlines. If you buy tickets early, you get a low number. Since IMFC had a presale, they automatically get the best numbers. It's awesome and efficient.
They play the same arenas as pearl jam. Definitely more than 20 can get on the rail. And the filling in patterns are similar a lot of People opt into forgoing the rail on the sides for great middle spots in front of the singer.
And Hi! Yes I was in Vancouver... I had GA N2. Didn't camp out though, got there at 10 am show day and was 1 person behind the rail Stone's side. Small queue though, bad weather.
Ahh ok, a lot of people have been sharing their experiences of what other bands do and it sounds great. All up to the band if they want to change it.
I remember you, I was the short girl on stone’s side N2 I think you were behind me. Hope to see you at other shows. If I see you I will say hi!
I'll be in Florida for GA, and I got seats so far for ATL and Nashville! Hope to see you!
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Side note: there sure is a whole bunch of trash left behind after every single GA line.
Sometimes it's just a little, sometimes it's a LOT. And untold plastic bottles mixed in with trash. More coffee cups & to-go boxes than you can shake a stick at.
On top of abandoned air mattresses, coolers, foldable chairs, and other ephemeral items.
Wonder how the band would feel if they saw it first hand at around 6pm every day of show?? 🤔
PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 &05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01& 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18& 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16& 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II, 08/29& 08/31/24: Wrigley Field I & II, 09/03& 09/04/24: MSG I & II, 09/27& 09/29/24: Ohana Festival I & II
EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival
Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.
Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08 ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
The Phish lottery hasn't changed anything, though it is a noble attempt. The same folks are still upfront at every show because they quickly figured out how to game the lottery system with fake names, multiple entries, and the same horse trading among the regulars that you see here in PJ land.
You are not wrong per se.
You know what it does change... You do not have to show up to the venue until 5PM on show day and THIS is the point.
What you do from that point on is between you and the karmic gods.
See you all in 2025 (in the queue, lol)
Seems like it would still go the way it does with PJ though. When PJ and/or the venue make a statement saying no camping out or lining up before 8a, the diehards just camp out and line up elsewhere. Then when the ppl who actually followed the rules show up at 8a, they're told there was already a line and that they're behind all those people. I'd imagine the Phish diehards do the same.
I think the point is that there's no incentive to show up early since your spot in line is fixed beforehand.
Side note: there sure is a whole bunch of trash left behind after every single GA line.
Sometimes it's just a little, sometimes it's a LOT. And untold plastic bottles mixed in with trash. More coffee cups & to-go boxes than you can shake a stick at.
On top of abandoned air mattresses, coolers, foldable chairs, and other ephemeral items.
Wonder how the band would feel if they saw it first hand at around 6pm every day of show?? 🤔
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PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 &05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01& 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18& 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16& 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II, 08/29& 08/31/24: Wrigley Field I & II, 09/03& 09/04/24: MSG I & II, 09/27& 09/29/24: Ohana Festival I & II
EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival
Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.
Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08 ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
Side note: there sure is a whole bunch of trash left behind after every single GA line.
Sometimes it's just a little, sometimes it's a LOT. And untold plastic bottles mixed in with trash. More coffee cups & to-go boxes than you can shake a stick at.
On top of abandoned air mattresses, coolers, foldable chairs, and other ephemeral items.
Wonder how the band would feel if they saw it first hand at around 6pm every day of show?? 🤔
If true, someone should start a GA Line Debris thread and post pics/video from each show
Side note: there sure is a whole bunch of trash left behind after every single GA line.
Sometimes it's just a little, sometimes it's a LOT. And untold plastic bottles mixed in with trash. More coffee cups & to-go boxes than you can shake a stick at.
On top of abandoned air mattresses, coolers, foldable chairs, and other ephemeral items.
Wonder how the band would feel if they saw it first hand at around 6pm every day of show?? 🤔
The queues I've been in have been tidy. People make a point of collecting debris and put it in the bin. I've not seen mess. But that's my view at Europe shows
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this song is meant to be called i got shit,itshould be called i got shit tickets-hartford 06 -
I'm relatively new to "Pearl Jam Rail Culture". I've gotten rail 5 times in the last 20 shows I have attended. Some of those tickets were 10C lottery wins, others I obsessively checked F2F.
While waiting in line, I've made incredible friends. I've helped others who are new to the process because during my first night, many people were very kind and generous to me. I have witnessed MORE incredible acts of generosity than negativity while in line and that is what keeps me going back (when I have the time and tickets, of course). Except for the stressors of getting to the line early enough, I find waiting in line to be very relaxing. That's my selling point when I try to convince my fiends. There's nothing to do all day but sit, relax, and connect with others about Pearl Jam. I've waited my whole life for that! No one I knew liked them when I was growing up. The day goes fast for me because it's probably the only chance I can actually feel okay about not being productive for most of the day. How rare is that?
Now I hope I can convey my intention clearly here, as I'm trying to provide a fair insight into the situation. Reading through this thread, I am not going to tell anyone that they didn't experience what they experienced, for better or worse. I have a friend that had a very bad experience, and some of the behavior lines up with some things that other friends have told me they experienced. Of course, I only know their side, but when different people (from different regions of the US) say the same thing, it's really hard not to wonder if they are true. That said, I try to give people the benefit of the doubt and talk with them. Some of the people I heard bad things about turned out to be awesome AF! And others, I've tried to break the ice but got the cold shoulder instead. What can you do? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. We all have bad moments or get off on the wrong foot with someone. I realize now, more often than not, it's a misunderstanding.
Speaking of the idea of official numbering systems, I want to share what Iron Maiden does (I'm also in their fan club). I'm curious about your thoughts. IMFC gives fans with GA tickets the opportunity to enter into their First to the Barrier contest. The week of the show, 60 people (and their plus 1) are notified that they won. This is how they choose winners: "All the valid entries for a show go into a spreadsheet, then we de-duplicate the entries to make sure it’s only one per person. Then we have a quick visual check for anything obviously wrong (like people not putting a real name in). Finally we use a random number generator to assign each entry a number, and sort the entries based on that number. The lowest 60 numbers win." No waiting in line, just show up and get your wristband and you can enter in to as many shows as you have GA tickets for. Not everyone who qualifies for the contest enters.
I'd love for 10C to do this, but there's one caveat. Everyone who has rail for Iron Maiden loses their minds during the show! We all know the energy you provide to a band comes back at you. Meaning, people who win FTTB bring the energy every time. I'm not sure if PJ fans can consistently do this, TBH. Am I wrong? I do know that as it is right now, the PJ rail regulars consistently bring it!
I think I saw you in Vancouver! This is a solid suggestion!
So say for Pittsburgh, Iron Maiden notifies all the GA ticket holders of their rail contest. 60 people enter the contest and the band draws and assigns number 1-60. number 1-20 get rail and numbers 20-60 will be second row and so on? I just guess led how long their rail im sure you would k ow the exact cut off number.
Iron Maiden runs the same contest for every concert date?
The system makes sense and some locations do this but it’s not a sanctioned contest.
MSG I believe gave out numbered wristbands in the AM and asked everyone to leave.
i think the fan base will bring the energy more. You can use MSG as an example, everyone was well rested and brought the energy.
Yeah, iron maiden has the same contest for every show, except for places with official systems in place. I just saw them in Japan this year, bought tickets through the fan club last year. No first to the barrier contest there because GA tickets sold in Japan (for small shows all the way up to arena shows) assign tickets a letter and group number, kind of like Southwest Airlines. If you buy tickets early, you get a low number. Since IMFC had a presale, they automatically get the best numbers. It's awesome and efficient.
They play the same arenas as pearl jam. Definitely more than 20 can get on the rail. And the filling in patterns are similar a lot of People opt into forgoing the rail on the sides for great middle spots in front of the singer.
And Hi! Yes I was in Vancouver... I had GA N2. Didn't camp out though, got there at 10 am show day and was 1 person behind the rail Stone's side. Small queue though, bad weather.
Ahh ok, a lot of people have been sharing their experiences of what other bands do and it sounds great. All up to the band if they want to change it.
I remember you, I was the short girl on stone’s side N2 I think you were behind me. Hope to see you at other shows. If I see you I will say hi!
I'll be in Florida for GA, and I got seats so far for ATL and Nashville! Hope to see you!
Have fun! I’m heading out to Pittsburgh. Congrats on the GA for Florida! What a score!
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We think it's a convenience to be able to put in for every show we might want to attend, and have our +1 also put in for every show who we might want to attend, with zero downside other than sitting on extra tickets for a few months, but ultimately it costs all of us a great deal of stress and money. It is not the perk we think it is.
Demand has ch
anged, every 10c member that wants tickets would get tickets from the 10c to almost every show. Those that get shutout initially wouldn't panic have to turn to PJ Premium or worse and get scalped.
People would still trade their extra GA and alot of the diehards would still find a way, but it would be harder and lead to some different faces.
I think if the 10c wanted a headache they could allow every member 1 hardship cancellation per lifetime, but that would create work for them and honestly, the same people that made posts crying when they had to eat their tickets because they were deployed to mars with cancer while their dog needed a brain transplant will just make the same post the second time the need a get out of jail free card.
I'm all in favor of no transfers. F2F is great in theory but it has encouraged people to hoard tickets.
I would not be against limiting 10C tickets to one show per tour.
Side note: there sure is a whole bunch of trash left behind after every single GA line.
Sometimes it's just a little, sometimes it's a LOT. And untold plastic bottles mixed in with trash. More coffee cups & to-go boxes than you can shake a stick at.
On top of abandoned air mattresses, coolers, foldable chairs, and other ephemeral items.
Wonder how the band would feel if they saw it first hand at around 6pm every day of show?? 🤔
The queues I've been in have been tidy. People make a point of collecting debris and put it in the bin. I've not seen mess. But that's my view at Europe shows
You guys are good with your waste overall 😅 even though I had seats, the GA aftermath for Chicago N2 '23 was a dump. I was embarrassed for the fandom.
PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 &05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01& 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18& 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16& 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II, 08/29& 08/31/24: Wrigley Field I & II, 09/03& 09/04/24: MSG I & II, 09/27& 09/29/24: Ohana Festival I & II
EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival
Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.
Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08 ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
The Phish lottery hasn't changed anything, though it is a noble attempt. The same folks are still upfront at every show because they quickly figured out how to game the lottery system with fake names, multiple entries, and the same horse trading among the regulars that you see here in PJ land.
You are not wrong per se.
You know what it does change... You do not have to show up to the venue until 5PM on show day and THIS is the point.
What you do from that point on is between you and the karmic gods.
See you all in 2025 (in the queue, lol)
Seems like it would still go the way it does with PJ though. When PJ and/or the venue make a statement saying no camping out or lining up before 8a, the diehards just camp out and line up elsewhere. Then when the ppl who actually followed the rules show up at 8a, they're told there was already a line and that they're behind all those people. I'd imagine the Phish diehards do the same.
I think the point is that there's no incentive to show up early since your spot in line is fixed beforehand.
Oh, I must have missed that they get a specific number for the line. I thought they just approve 200 people to line up and it's a free-for-all from there.
TBH I think the roll in at lights and shove your way to the front is far worse than any things the regular rail riders do. I'd be aggro about that too if I spend 24 hours waiting for my spot
Advice to all who are physically able (and recognizing that some of us are bigger than others): stand your ground. These people are counting on not meeting resistance. Usually it's enough to just hold your ground. Sometimes, you have to bare some fangs and get a little physical. If you see a smaller person getting pushed around near you, step up on their behalf. In my experience, these people give up when they get pushed back with intent.
The Phish lottery hasn't changed anything, though it is a noble attempt. The same folks are still upfront at every show because they quickly figured out how to game the lottery system with fake names, multiple entries, and the same horse trading among the regulars that you see here in PJ land.
You are not wrong per se.
You know what it does change... You do not have to show up to the venue until 5PM on show day and THIS is the point.
What you do from that point on is between you and the karmic gods.
See you all in 2025 (in the queue, lol)
Seems like it would still go the way it does with PJ though. When PJ and/or the venue make a statement saying no camping out or lining up before 8a, the diehards just camp out and line up elsewhere. Then when the ppl who actually followed the rules show up at 8a, they're told there was already a line and that they're behind all those people. I'd imagine the Phish diehards do the same.
Who would listen to them? I sure wouldn’t. That applies to “saving” rail spots and whatever the hell the tarps are.
TBH I think the roll in at lights and shove your way to the front is far worse than any things the regular rail riders do. I'd be aggro about that too if I spend 24 hours waiting for my spot
Advice to all who are physically able (and recognizing that some of us are bigger than others): stand your ground. These people are counting on not meeting resistance. Usually it's enough to just hold your ground. Sometimes, you have to bare some fangs and get a little physical. If you see a smaller person getting pushed around near you, step up on their behalf. In my experience, these people give up when they get pushed back with intent.
My favorite bit is when they squeeze through, calling for their "friend" lol. Happened at Ohana with spectacular results😂
STAAAACYYYYY!🤣
Me and 2 other guys started calling for "Stacy" to come meet them, but to no avail. They mysteriously gave up on "Stacy" without a HINT of urgency. They just stood next to us for the remainder of the set.
I guess they weren't that close with "Stacy" 😉
PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 &05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01& 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18& 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16& 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II, 08/29& 08/31/24: Wrigley Field I & II, 09/03& 09/04/24: MSG I & II, 09/27& 09/29/24: Ohana Festival I & II
EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival
Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.
Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08 ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
TBH I think the roll in at lights and shove your way to the front is far worse than any things the regular rail riders do. I'd be aggro about that too if I spend 24 hours waiting for my spot
Advice to all who are physically able (and recognizing that some of us are bigger than others): stand your ground. These people are counting on not meeting resistance. Usually it's enough to just hold your ground. Sometimes, you have to bare some fangs and get a little physical. If you see a smaller person getting pushed around near you, step up on their behalf. In my experience, these people give up when they get pushed back with intent.
Shit got nasty in Wrigley 13 after the reset. Bunch of dudes with numbers on their hands throwing their weight around cause they were bigger than everyone else physically and thought they were entitled to there exact same spot. It’s like dude you’re 5 feet away from where you were before. Get over yourself.
TBH I think the roll in at lights and shove your way to the front is far worse than any things the regular rail riders do. I'd be aggro about that too if I spend 24 hours waiting for my spot
Advice to all who are physically able (and recognizing that some of us are bigger than others): stand your ground. These people are counting on not meeting resistance. Usually it's enough to just hold your ground. Sometimes, you have to bare some fangs and get a little physical. If you see a smaller person getting pushed around near you, step up on their behalf. In my experience, these people give up when they get pushed back with intent.
My favorite bit is when they squeeze through, calling for their "friend" lol. Happened at Ohana with spectacular results😂
STAAAACYYYYY!🤣
Me and 2 other guys started calling for "Stacy" to come meet them, but to no avail. They mysteriously gave up on "Stacy" without a HINT of urgency. They just stood next to us for the remainder of the set.
I guess they weren't that close with "Stacy" 😉
That's happened at at least 2 Ohana headlining acts when I went in 2021 and 2024. Usually walk sideways through the crowd as to look less suspicious than pushing forward. Always carrying two drinks... one for their walk in act and one once they "give up" finding their friend.
The only thing that bugs me are the people that hop back and forth between the GA and merch lines. When merch opens they grab what they need and then hop right back into their GA spot. Maybe I'm old fashioned, but I think you should only have squatters rights to one line at a time.
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And no one in the area really wants to see a homeless encampment for a week when PJ comes to town.
You know what it does change... You do not have to show up to the venue until 5PM on show day and THIS is the point.
What you do from that point on is between you and the karmic gods.
See you all in 2025 (in the queue, lol)
Sometimes it's just a little, sometimes it's a LOT. And untold plastic bottles mixed in with trash. More coffee cups & to-go boxes than you can shake a stick at.
On top of abandoned air mattresses, coolers, foldable chairs, and other ephemeral items.
Wonder how the band would feel if they saw it first hand at around 6pm every day of show?? 🤔
Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.
Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.
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I would not be against limiting 10C tickets to one show per tour.
Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.
STAAAACYYYYY!🤣
Me and 2 other guys started calling for "Stacy" to come meet them, but to no avail. They mysteriously gave up on "Stacy" without a HINT of urgency. They just stood next to us for the remainder of the set.
I guess they weren't that close with "Stacy" 😉
Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.