#47 - Musk/trump/Vance

OnWis97

Choccoloccotide said:

I sure struck a nerve with that beta comment.  Keep piling on guys and gals. 

On the contrary. We're laughing at your semi-dated insecurity-based insults.

Gern Blansten

Choccoloccotide said:

Back to the topics …..Matt Gaetz FYI:  Remember, there is a former federal agent in federal prison right now for trying to lie about Matt Gaetz’s personal life and extort his family for $25 million Gaetz is a victim of a Deep State attack This is why they’re going all out to stop him.  Gaetz will be the next AG.  Either by Senate confirmation or Recess appointment.

whoa...looks like we struck a nerve with your pedo boy Gaetz

brianlux

Choccoloccotide said:

Back to the topics …..Matt Gaetz FYI:  Remember, there is a former federal agent in federal prison right now for trying to lie about Matt Gaetz’s personal life and extort his family for $25 million Gaetz is a victim of a Deep State attack This is why they’re going all out to stop him.  Gaetz will be the next AG.  Either by Senate confirmation or Recess appointment.

We were on topic. It's not only about what you want to say.

Merkin Baller

brianlux said:

I've been hesitant to post some thoughts I've had recently because we're really early in the most dysfunctional period in American history, but I'm curious as to what you some of you think about this, so here goes:

I think that if Harris had won the election, her voters would have responded with joy, happiness, celebration, etc.  I don't get the feeling that way about the MAGA fans.  They seem either subdued, snarky/troll like, and often angry- not anger like the disappointment type anger we Harris voters feel, but just the usual mean bully style anger.  Part of that, I suppose, is that's just how some people are normally. But my guess is that part of it is because I think deep down, MAGA fans know they have fucked up themselves (as well as everybody else)by electing the Felon into office.  There's a lot being said about how the felon and his pals have made promises they cannot and don't intend to keep, and I think a lot of MAGAs know that.  OOOPS, too late!  

For those of us who love democracy and freedom from tyranny, it's important to keep this point in the foreground and made recognizable because it's almost blatantly evident and those voters need to own it.

Anger has always been a staple of the movement, why would that change now? 

Regarding the boldfaced: I don't think there's anything that can happen that will inspire any sort of reflection or self awareness... victimhood is as intrinsic to the movement as anger. It will always be someone else's fault. 

Gern Blansten

Merkin Baller said:

brianlux said:

I've been hesitant to post some thoughts I've had recently because we're really early in the most dysfunctional period in American history, but I'm curious as to what you some of you think about this, so here goes:

I think that if Harris had won the election, her voters would have responded with joy, happiness, celebration, etc.  I don't get the feeling that way about the MAGA fans.  They seem either subdued, snarky/troll like, and often angry- not anger like the disappointment type anger we Harris voters feel, but just the usual mean bully style anger.  Part of that, I suppose, is that's just how some people are normally. But my guess is that part of it is because I think deep down, MAGA fans know they have fucked up themselves (as well as everybody else)by electing the Felon into office.  There's a lot being said about how the felon and his pals have made promises they cannot and don't intend to keep, and I think a lot of MAGAs know that.  OOOPS, too late!  

For those of us who love democracy and freedom from tyranny, it's important to keep this point in the foreground and made recognizable because it's almost blatantly evident and those voters need to own it.

Anger has always been a staple of the movement, why would that change now? 

Regarding the boldfaced: I don't think there's anything that can happen that will inspire any sort of reflection or self awareness... victimhood is as intrinsic to the movement as anger. It will always be someone else's fault. 

Agreed, it's natural to think that because normal minded human beings do but magats are truly in a cult. Nothing that piece of shit does makes them regret anything...ever.

Evel K

Get back to bashing the cabinet picks. Crazy town, eh?  Tell me you don't see it. They're representing America in a foreign country.

josevolution

He should have been toast when I made fun of the writer with disability! He made it ok to make fun of the disabled community and the MAGA’s love it they think it’s cool to pick on people as it’s been proven in this forum by his supporters! 

I don’t vote for rapists..

Gern Blansten

Evel K said:

Get back to bashing the cabinet picks. Crazy town, eh?  Tell me you don't see it. They're representing America in a foreign country.

yeah very strange...but neither were nominated to SecDef, DNI or AG

and we aren't pointing out the bad picks based on sexual/gender orientation but sexual assault, being compromised by Russia, complete lack of experience, etc.

You can't tell me that trump can't find a SecDef that is qualified. Just ridiculous

Gern Blansten

LOL...RFK on video saying that cryptocurrency is the "beginning of slavery"

Evel K

Gern Blansten said:

Evel K said:

Get back to bashing the cabinet picks. Crazy town, eh?  Tell me you don't see it. They're representing America in a foreign country.

yeah very strange...but neither were nominated to SecDef, DNI or AG

and we aren't pointing out the bad picks based on sexual/gender orientation but sexual assault, being compromised by Russia, complete lack of experience, etc.

You can't tell me that trump can't find a SecDef that is qualified. Just ridiculous

These are DEI appointments.  So yes, they are based on sexual/ gender orientation.  This is a problem that will be addressed.  When you're looking at your list for SecDef try to cross-reference it with this  https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://intelligence.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=1432&ved=2ahUKEwicxv7z796JAxW5vokEHebJKlgQFnoECCsQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1vdRg4raqpQMSTL_VnHc-i

The Juggler

A nation of idiots run by morons...

The Juggler

hunterh75 said:

Look here folks, an overwhelmingly majority of the nation is not happy with this current administration and didn't believe in four more years of the same ignorance we've been dealt under Biden/Harris. The people have spoken.  Now suck it up buttercup and deal with it. 

Literally 50% of the vote is an "overwhelming majority" to these people.


A nation of idiots will be run by morons...

Gern Blansten

Evel K said:

Gern Blansten said:

Evel K said:

Get back to bashing the cabinet picks. Crazy town, eh?  Tell me you don't see it. They're representing America in a foreign country.

yeah very strange...but neither were nominated to SecDef, DNI or AG

and we aren't pointing out the bad picks based on sexual/gender orientation but sexual assault, being compromised by Russia, complete lack of experience, etc.

You can't tell me that trump can't find a SecDef that is qualified. Just ridiculous

These are DEI appointments.  So yes, they are based on sexual/ gender orientation.  This is a problem that will be addressed.  When you're looking at your list for SecDef try to cross-reference it with this  https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://intelligence.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=1432&ved=2ahUKEwicxv7z796JAxW5vokEHebJKlgQFnoECCsQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1vdRg4raqpQMSTL_VnHc-i

a little comprehension please...I'm saying that we aren't making fun of trump's appointments based on sexual/gender orientation...we are pointing out the horrible lack of experience.

Now about Gabbard...DEI?

Evel K

Gern Blansten said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Has anyone pointed out that the new Department of Government Efficiency, to be headed by Elon Musk, has the acronym of DOGE?? There is no way that is a coincidence.

Is that stupid bit-coin still around?  Figures they would find a way to make it seem corrupt; connecting a quasi-gov't agency with a private venture.  

yeah I feel sorry for the idiots that are probably putting their life savings into that shit

Here's a demographic that could swing an election.  Go ahead and say crypto's a scam. While you're at it, the neighbor's kid just rode his bike across the corner of your lawn.

MayDay10

The Juggler said:

hunterh75 said:

Look here folks, an overwhelmingly majority of the nation is not happy with this current administration and didn't believe in four more years of the same ignorance we've been dealt under Biden/Harris. The people have spoken.  Now suck it up buttercup and deal with it. 

Literally 50% of the vote is an "overwhelming majority" to these people.


A nation of idiots will be run by morons...

Objectively, it is a pretty big deal.

for decades, the Republican Party was dying out with the greatest generation and the baby boomers.  They didn't have an answer, and Texas was going to turn blue before long.

This shift was as major as it gets in US politics.  That is a lot of people who voted for Biden, who willingly pulled the lever for Trump this time (knowing full-well who Trump is).  

tbergs

Gern Blansten said:

Choccoloccotide said:

Back to the topics …..Matt Gaetz FYI:  Remember, there is a former federal agent in federal prison right now for trying to lie about Matt Gaetz’s personal life and extort his family for $25 million Gaetz is a victim of a Deep State attack This is why they’re going all out to stop him.  Gaetz will be the next AG.  Either by Senate confirmation or Recess appointment.

whoa...looks like we struck a nerve with your pedo boy Gaetz

Who's the former federal agent? Bob Kent was Air Force intelligence, but he's not in prison and was never charged; however, serial conman and fraudster Stephen Alford was convicted for trying to extort Gaetz' dad for 25 million. Any more misleading information you want to spread on your quest to defend another rapist? Not sure what you obsession is with trying to defend these human pieces of garbage. 

mace1229

brianlux said:

I've been hesitant to post some thoughts I've had recently because we're really early in the most dysfunctional period in American history, but I'm curious as to what you some of you think about this, so here goes:

I think that if Harris had won the election, her voters would have responded with joy, happiness, celebration, etc.  I don't get the feeling that way about the MAGA fans.  They seem either subdued, snarky/troll like, and often angry- not anger like the disappointment type anger we Harris voters feel, but just the usual mean bully style anger.  Part of that, I suppose, is that's just how some people are normally. But my guess is that part of it is because I think deep down, MAGA fans know they have fucked up themselves (as well as everybody else)by electing the Felon into office.  There's a lot being said about how the felon and his pals have made promises they cannot and don't intend to keep, and I think a lot of MAGAs know that.  OOOPS, too late!  

For those of us who love democracy and freedom from tyranny, it's important to keep this point in the foreground and made recognizable because it's almost blatantly evident and those voters need to own it.

I know this will irritate several people here, but I will try to ignore their responses and answer your question. 

First, it's the loudest people we see and remember. Half of the voting population voted for trump, so it's safe to assume they represent roughly half the country (same with Harris). I don't see half the country acting like how you described. Half are not snarky, rude, angry, etc. Thats just the 5% (or whatever percent you want to give it) that make their voices the loudest.

There are messed up things all around us, but I see most people, on both sides, as generally good. I keep hearing about J6 and a list of bad or annoying things republican voters have done. But I can list the same things about groups who lean left. Did we forget the "fiery but peaceful" riots? Burning down police buildings, fast food chains and even small businesses. Several police were ambushed and murdered, and sometimes to the cheers of witnesses. And those same police had groups protesting at the hospital that were trying to save their lives, chanting to let the pigs die.
Those are horrible people in my opinion. But I also know they don't represent the majority of the groups they are associated with either. 
What I find interesting is everything the right does seems to get replayed. But the 2020 riots seem all but forgotten. Maybe someone has brought it up and I missed it, but I haven't heard anyone talk about how FEMA had directed volunteers to skip trump houses for hurricane relief. If that doesn't fit the same behavior you're talking about, then I don't know what does. But again, that does not represent the majority of people who voted against trump. Most people are generally good. They have different opinions on what will get the country back on top. Maybe they don't follow the news and are less aware. Maybe they have different filters on what they believe is true or not. Whatever the reason for how they voted. But our perceptions and stereotypes of voters on both sides only reflect the loudest, and usually most obnoxious, of that group. At the core this country is still filled with good people who want to do the right thing. 

Evel K

Gern Blansten said:

Evel K said:

Gern Blansten said:

Evel K said:

Get back to bashing the cabinet picks. Crazy town, eh?  Tell me you don't see it. They're representing America in a foreign country.

yeah very strange...but neither were nominated to SecDef, DNI or AG

and we aren't pointing out the bad picks based on sexual/gender orientation but sexual assault, being compromised by Russia, complete lack of experience, etc.

You can't tell me that trump can't find a SecDef that is qualified. Just ridiculous

These are DEI appointments.  So yes, they are based on sexual/ gender orientation.  This is a problem that will be addressed.  When you're looking at your list for SecDef try to cross-reference it with this  https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://intelligence.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=1432&ved=2ahUKEwicxv7z796JAxW5vokEHebJKlgQFnoECCsQAQ&usg=AOvVaw1vdRg4raqpQMSTL_VnHc-i

a little comprehension please...I'm saying that we aren't making fun of trump's appointments based on sexual/gender orientation...we are pointing out the horrible lack of experience.

Now about Gabbard...DEI?

Talking down again. The point is, you have zero problems with Biden using DEI instead of most qualified and trash President Trump for appointing people he considers loyal. 

josevolution

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

I've been hesitant to post some thoughts I've had recently because we're really early in the most dysfunctional period in American history, but I'm curious as to what you some of you think about this, so here goes:

I think that if Harris had won the election, her voters would have responded with joy, happiness, celebration, etc.  I don't get the feeling that way about the MAGA fans.  They seem either subdued, snarky/troll like, and often angry- not anger like the disappointment type anger we Harris voters feel, but just the usual mean bully style anger.  Part of that, I suppose, is that's just how some people are normally. But my guess is that part of it is because I think deep down, MAGA fans know they have fucked up themselves (as well as everybody else)by electing the Felon into office.  There's a lot being said about how the felon and his pals have made promises they cannot and don't intend to keep, and I think a lot of MAGAs know that.  OOOPS, too late!  

For those of us who love democracy and freedom from tyranny, it's important to keep this point in the foreground and made recognizable because it's almost blatantly evident and those voters need to own it.

I know this will irritate several people here, but I will try to ignore their responses and answer your question. 

First, it's the loudest people we see and remember. Half of the voting population voted for trump, so it's safe to assume they represent roughly half the country (same with Harris). I don't see half the country acting like how you described. Half are not snarky, rude, angry, etc. Thats just the 5% (or whatever percent you want to give it) that make their voices the loudest.

There are messed up things all around us, but I see most people, on both sides, as generally good. I keep hearing about J6 and a list of bad or annoying things republican voters have done. But I can list the same things about groups who lean left. Did we forget the "fiery but peaceful" riots? Burning down police buildings, fast food chains and even small businesses. Several police were ambushed and murdered, and sometimes to the cheers of witnesses. And those same police had groups protesting at the hospital that were trying to save their lives, chanting to let the pigs die.
Those are horrible people in my opinion. But I also know they don't represent the majority of the groups they are associated with either. 
What I find interesting is everything the right does seems to get replayed. But the 2020 riots seem all but forgotten. Maybe someone has brought it up and I missed it, but I haven't heard anyone talk about how FEMA had directed volunteers to skip trump houses for hurricane relief. If that doesn't fit the same behavior you're talking about, then I don't know what does. But again, that does not represent the majority of people who voted against trump. Most people are generally good. They have different opinions on what will get the country back on top. Maybe they don't follow the news and are less aware. Maybe they have different filters on what they believe is true or not. Whatever the reason for how they voted. But our perceptions and stereotypes of voters on both sides only reflect the loudest, and usually most obnoxious, of that group. At the core this country is still filled with good people who want to do the right thing. 

What’s the equivalent of Jan 6th done by liberal woke democrats? I mean in my opinion there’s nothing that compares to that event

jerparker20

Choccoloccotide said:

Back to the topics …..Matt Gaetz FYI:  Remember, there is a former federal agent in federal prison right now for trying to lie about Matt Gaetz’s personal life and extort his family for $25 million Gaetz is a victim of a Deep State attack This is why they’re going all out to stop him.  Gaetz will be the next AG.  Either by Senate confirmation or Recess appointment.

Matt Gaetz is a victim of his own stupidity and self made fuckery, not the “deep state.” 

mace1229

josevolution said:

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

I've been hesitant to post some thoughts I've had recently because we're really early in the most dysfunctional period in American history, but I'm curious as to what you some of you think about this, so here goes:

I think that if Harris had won the election, her voters would have responded with joy, happiness, celebration, etc.  I don't get the feeling that way about the MAGA fans.  They seem either subdued, snarky/troll like, and often angry- not anger like the disappointment type anger we Harris voters feel, but just the usual mean bully style anger.  Part of that, I suppose, is that's just how some people are normally. But my guess is that part of it is because I think deep down, MAGA fans know they have fucked up themselves (as well as everybody else)by electing the Felon into office.  There's a lot being said about how the felon and his pals have made promises they cannot and don't intend to keep, and I think a lot of MAGAs know that.  OOOPS, too late!  

For those of us who love democracy and freedom from tyranny, it's important to keep this point in the foreground and made recognizable because it's almost blatantly evident and those voters need to own it.

I know this will irritate several people here, but I will try to ignore their responses and answer your question. 

First, it's the loudest people we see and remember. Half of the voting population voted for trump, so it's safe to assume they represent roughly half the country (same with Harris). I don't see half the country acting like how you described. Half are not snarky, rude, angry, etc. Thats just the 5% (or whatever percent you want to give it) that make their voices the loudest.

There are messed up things all around us, but I see most people, on both sides, as generally good. I keep hearing about J6 and a list of bad or annoying things republican voters have done. But I can list the same things about groups who lean left. Did we forget the "fiery but peaceful" riots? Burning down police buildings, fast food chains and even small businesses. Several police were ambushed and murdered, and sometimes to the cheers of witnesses. And those same police had groups protesting at the hospital that were trying to save their lives, chanting to let the pigs die.
Those are horrible people in my opinion. But I also know they don't represent the majority of the groups they are associated with either. 
What I find interesting is everything the right does seems to get replayed. But the 2020 riots seem all but forgotten. Maybe someone has brought it up and I missed it, but I haven't heard anyone talk about how FEMA had directed volunteers to skip trump houses for hurricane relief. If that doesn't fit the same behavior you're talking about, then I don't know what does. But again, that does not represent the majority of people who voted against trump. Most people are generally good. They have different opinions on what will get the country back on top. Maybe they don't follow the news and are less aware. Maybe they have different filters on what they believe is true or not. Whatever the reason for how they voted. But our perceptions and stereotypes of voters on both sides only reflect the loudest, and usually most obnoxious, of that group. At the core this country is still filled with good people who want to do the right thing. 

What’s the equivalent of Jan 6th done by liberal woke democrats? I mean in my opinion there’s nothing that compares to that event

I would say causing billions of dollars in damage and multiple murders in the name of "protest" throughout the summer of 2020 compares.  How does it not? If anything, its greater by every measure. They burned down more government buildings as well as small businesses. More people were injured and killed. All in the name of what they politically stood for. 

josevolution

mace1229 said:

josevolution said:

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

I've been hesitant to post some thoughts I've had recently because we're really early in the most dysfunctional period in American history, but I'm curious as to what you some of you think about this, so here goes:

I think that if Harris had won the election, her voters would have responded with joy, happiness, celebration, etc.  I don't get the feeling that way about the MAGA fans.  They seem either subdued, snarky/troll like, and often angry- not anger like the disappointment type anger we Harris voters feel, but just the usual mean bully style anger.  Part of that, I suppose, is that's just how some people are normally. But my guess is that part of it is because I think deep down, MAGA fans know they have fucked up themselves (as well as everybody else)by electing the Felon into office.  There's a lot being said about how the felon and his pals have made promises they cannot and don't intend to keep, and I think a lot of MAGAs know that.  OOOPS, too late!  

For those of us who love democracy and freedom from tyranny, it's important to keep this point in the foreground and made recognizable because it's almost blatantly evident and those voters need to own it.

I know this will irritate several people here, but I will try to ignore their responses and answer your question. 

First, it's the loudest people we see and remember. Half of the voting population voted for trump, so it's safe to assume they represent roughly half the country (same with Harris). I don't see half the country acting like how you described. Half are not snarky, rude, angry, etc. Thats just the 5% (or whatever percent you want to give it) that make their voices the loudest.

There are messed up things all around us, but I see most people, on both sides, as generally good. I keep hearing about J6 and a list of bad or annoying things republican voters have done. But I can list the same things about groups who lean left. Did we forget the "fiery but peaceful" riots? Burning down police buildings, fast food chains and even small businesses. Several police were ambushed and murdered, and sometimes to the cheers of witnesses. And those same police had groups protesting at the hospital that were trying to save their lives, chanting to let the pigs die.
Those are horrible people in my opinion. But I also know they don't represent the majority of the groups they are associated with either. 
What I find interesting is everything the right does seems to get replayed. But the 2020 riots seem all but forgotten. Maybe someone has brought it up and I missed it, but I haven't heard anyone talk about how FEMA had directed volunteers to skip trump houses for hurricane relief. If that doesn't fit the same behavior you're talking about, then I don't know what does. But again, that does not represent the majority of people who voted against trump. Most people are generally good. They have different opinions on what will get the country back on top. Maybe they don't follow the news and are less aware. Maybe they have different filters on what they believe is true or not. Whatever the reason for how they voted. But our perceptions and stereotypes of voters on both sides only reflect the loudest, and usually most obnoxious, of that group. At the core this country is still filled with good people who want to do the right thing. 

What’s the equivalent of Jan 6th done by liberal woke democrats? I mean in my opinion there’s nothing that compares to that event

I would say causing billions of dollars in damage and multiple murders in the name of "protest" throughout the summer of 2020 compares.  How does it not? If anything, it’s greater by every measure. They burned down more government buildings as well as small businesses. More people were injured and killed. All in the name of what they politically stood for. 

Jan 6 was about ending democracy I’m my opinion it’s not on the same level! How many cops were beaten by protesters? From what I remember cops were kicking ass throughout that whole period! 

tbergs

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

I've been hesitant to post some thoughts I've had recently because we're really early in the most dysfunctional period in American history, but I'm curious as to what you some of you think about this, so here goes:

I think that if Harris had won the election, her voters would have responded with joy, happiness, celebration, etc.  I don't get the feeling that way about the MAGA fans.  They seem either subdued, snarky/troll like, and often angry- not anger like the disappointment type anger we Harris voters feel, but just the usual mean bully style anger.  Part of that, I suppose, is that's just how some people are normally. But my guess is that part of it is because I think deep down, MAGA fans know they have fucked up themselves (as well as everybody else)by electing the Felon into office.  There's a lot being said about how the felon and his pals have made promises they cannot and don't intend to keep, and I think a lot of MAGAs know that.  OOOPS, too late!  

For those of us who love democracy and freedom from tyranny, it's important to keep this point in the foreground and made recognizable because it's almost blatantly evident and those voters need to own it.

I know this will irritate several people here, but I will try to ignore their responses and answer your question. 

First, it's the loudest people we see and remember. Half of the voting population voted for trump, so it's safe to assume they represent roughly half the country (same with Harris). I don't see half the country acting like how you described. Half are not snarky, rude, angry, etc. Thats just the 5% (or whatever percent you want to give it) that make their voices the loudest.

There are messed up things all around us, but I see most people, on both sides, as generally good. I keep hearing about J6 and a list of bad or annoying things republican voters have done. But I can list the same things about groups who lean left. Did we forget the "fiery but peaceful" riots? Burning down police buildings, fast food chains and even small businesses. Several police were ambushed and murdered, and sometimes to the cheers of witnesses. And those same police had groups protesting at the hospital that were trying to save their lives, chanting to let the pigs die.
Those are horrible people in my opinion. But I also know they don't represent the majority of the groups they are associated with either. 
What I find interesting is everything the right does seems to get replayed. But the 2020 riots seem all but forgotten. Maybe someone has brought it up and I missed it, but I haven't heard anyone talk about how FEMA had directed volunteers to skip trump houses for hurricane relief. If that doesn't fit the same behavior you're talking about, then I don't know what does. But again, that does not represent the majority of people who voted against trump. Most people are generally good. They have different opinions on what will get the country back on top. Maybe they don't follow the news and are less aware. Maybe they have different filters on what they believe is true or not. Whatever the reason for how they voted. But our perceptions and stereotypes of voters on both sides only reflect the loudest, and usually most obnoxious, of that group. At the core this country is still filled with good people who want to do the right thing. 

Thanks for the response on this Mace. You put a lot in here, but I'm just going to focus on the FEMA example. In that instance, a single employee was at fault, not FEMA in general, and ultimately fired. No prominent, or even reasonable person, on the dems side is defending it. Seems like it was handled appropriately. On the other hand, many of the things you're listing, people, including the incoming president, still to this day defend or downplay. 

mrussel1

Evel K said:

Gern Blansten said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Has anyone pointed out that the new Department of Government Efficiency, to be headed by Elon Musk, has the acronym of DOGE?? There is no way that is a coincidence.

Is that stupid bit-coin still around?  Figures they would find a way to make it seem corrupt; connecting a quasi-gov't agency with a private venture.  

yeah I feel sorry for the idiots that are probably putting their life savings into that shit

Here's a demographic that could swing an election.  Go ahead and say crypto's a scam. While you're at it, the neighbor's kid just rode his bike across the corner of your lawn.

Scam?  Are you supportive of tokenizing or bit coin?

mrussel1

Choccoloccotide said:

Back to the topics …..Matt Gaetz FYI:  Remember, there is a former federal agent in federal prison right now for trying to lie about Matt Gaetz’s personal life and extort his family for $25 million Gaetz is a victim of a Deep State attack This is why they’re going all out to stop him.  Gaetz will be the next AG.  Either by Senate confirmation or Recess appointment.

What about the girl that testified to congress that she had sex with Gaetz when she was 17 and still in high school?  Is that a lie, deep state, what?

Evel K

josevolution said:

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

I've been hesitant to post some thoughts I've had recently because we're really early in the most dysfunctional period in American history, but I'm curious as to what you some of you think about this, so here goes:

I think that if Harris had won the election, her voters would have responded with joy, happiness, celebration, etc.  I don't get the feeling that way about the MAGA fans.  They seem either subdued, snarky/troll like, and often angry- not anger like the disappointment type anger we Harris voters feel, but just the usual mean bully style anger.  Part of that, I suppose, is that's just how some people are normally. But my guess is that part of it is because I think deep down, MAGA fans know they have fucked up themselves (as well as everybody else)by electing the Felon into office.  There's a lot being said about how the felon and his pals have made promises they cannot and don't intend to keep, and I think a lot of MAGAs know that.  OOOPS, too late!  

For those of us who love democracy and freedom from tyranny, it's important to keep this point in the foreground and made recognizable because it's almost blatantly evident and those voters need to own it.

I know this will irritate several people here, but I will try to ignore their responses and answer your question. 

First, it's the loudest people we see and remember. Half of the voting population voted for trump, so it's safe to assume they represent roughly half the country (same with Harris). I don't see half the country acting like how you described. Half are not snarky, rude, angry, etc. Thats just the 5% (or whatever percent you want to give it) that make their voices the loudest.

There are messed up things all around us, but I see most people, on both sides, as generally good. I keep hearing about J6 and a list of bad or annoying things republican voters have done. But I can list the same things about groups who lean left. Did we forget the "fiery but peaceful" riots? Burning down police buildings, fast food chains and even small businesses. Several police were ambushed and murdered, and sometimes to the cheers of witnesses. And those same police had groups protesting at the hospital that were trying to save their lives, chanting to let the pigs die.
Those are horrible people in my opinion. But I also know they don't represent the majority of the groups they are associated with either. 
What I find interesting is everything the right does seems to get replayed. But the 2020 riots seem all but forgotten. Maybe someone has brought it up and I missed it, but I haven't heard anyone talk about how FEMA had directed volunteers to skip trump houses for hurricane relief. If that doesn't fit the same behavior you're talking about, then I don't know what does. But again, that does not represent the majority of people who voted against trump. Most people are generally good. They have different opinions on what will get the country back on top. Maybe they don't follow the news and are less aware. Maybe they have different filters on what they believe is true or not. Whatever the reason for how they voted. But our perceptions and stereotypes of voters on both sides only reflect the loudest, and usually most obnoxious, of that group. At the core this country is still filled with good people who want to do the right thing. 

What’s the equivalent of Jan 6th done by liberal woke democrats? I mean in my opinion there’s nothing that compares to that event

mrussel1

Evel K said:

josevolution said:

mace1229 said:

brianlux said:

I've been hesitant to post some thoughts I've had recently because we're really early in the most dysfunctional period in American history, but I'm curious as to what you some of you think about this, so here goes:

I think that if Harris had won the election, her voters would have responded with joy, happiness, celebration, etc.  I don't get the feeling that way about the MAGA fans.  They seem either subdued, snarky/troll like, and often angry- not anger like the disappointment type anger we Harris voters feel, but just the usual mean bully style anger.  Part of that, I suppose, is that's just how some people are normally. But my guess is that part of it is because I think deep down, MAGA fans know they have fucked up themselves (as well as everybody else)by electing the Felon into office.  There's a lot being said about how the felon and his pals have made promises they cannot and don't intend to keep, and I think a lot of MAGAs know that.  OOOPS, too late!  

For those of us who love democracy and freedom from tyranny, it's important to keep this point in the foreground and made recognizable because it's almost blatantly evident and those voters need to own it.

I know this will irritate several people here, but I will try to ignore their responses and answer your question. 

First, it's the loudest people we see and remember. Half of the voting population voted for trump, so it's safe to assume they represent roughly half the country (same with Harris). I don't see half the country acting like how you described. Half are not snarky, rude, angry, etc. Thats just the 5% (or whatever percent you want to give it) that make their voices the loudest.

There are messed up things all around us, but I see most people, on both sides, as generally good. I keep hearing about J6 and a list of bad or annoying things republican voters have done. But I can list the same things about groups who lean left. Did we forget the "fiery but peaceful" riots? Burning down police buildings, fast food chains and even small businesses. Several police were ambushed and murdered, and sometimes to the cheers of witnesses. And those same police had groups protesting at the hospital that were trying to save their lives, chanting to let the pigs die.
Those are horrible people in my opinion. But I also know they don't represent the majority of the groups they are associated with either. 
What I find interesting is everything the right does seems to get replayed. But the 2020 riots seem all but forgotten. Maybe someone has brought it up and I missed it, but I haven't heard anyone talk about how FEMA had directed volunteers to skip trump houses for hurricane relief. If that doesn't fit the same behavior you're talking about, then I don't know what does. But again, that does not represent the majority of people who voted against trump. Most people are generally good. They have different opinions on what will get the country back on top. Maybe they don't follow the news and are less aware. Maybe they have different filters on what they believe is true or not. Whatever the reason for how they voted. But our perceptions and stereotypes of voters on both sides only reflect the loudest, and usually most obnoxious, of that group. At the core this country is still filled with good people who want to do the right thing. 

What’s the equivalent of Jan 6th done by liberal woke democrats? I mean in my opinion there’s nothing that compares to that event

I'm sorry, were they wearing Biden 2020 hats?  Anarchists don't vote.  Jan 6th was chock full of MAGA gear specifically to support Trump.  Anarchists don't support corporate democrats.  

Evel K

mrussel1 said:

Evel K said:

Gern Blansten said:

mrussel1 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Has anyone pointed out that the new Department of Government Efficiency, to be headed by Elon Musk, has the acronym of DOGE?? There is no way that is a coincidence.

Is that stupid bit-coin still around?  Figures they would find a way to make it seem corrupt; connecting a quasi-gov't agency with a private venture.  

yeah I feel sorry for the idiots that are probably putting their life savings into that shit

Here's a demographic that could swing an election.  Go ahead and say crypto's a scam. While you're at it, the neighbor's kid just rode his bike across the corner of your lawn.

Scam?  Are you supportive of tokenizing or bit coin?

I support DeFi not CBDC. The Federal Reserve printing money is a big part of the problem. 

Go Beavers

MayDay10 said:

The Juggler said:

hunterh75 said:

Look here folks, an overwhelmingly majority of the nation is not happy with this current administration and didn't believe in four more years of the same ignorance we've been dealt under Biden/Harris. The people have spoken.  Now suck it up buttercup and deal with it. 

Literally 50% of the vote is an "overwhelming majority" to these people.


A nation of idiots will be run by morons...

Objectively, it is a pretty big deal.

for decades, the Republican Party was dying out with the greatest generation and the baby boomers.  They didn't have an answer, and Texas was going to turn blue before long.

This shift was as major as it gets in US politics.  That is a lot of people who voted for Biden, who willingly pulled the lever for Trump this time (knowing full-well who Trump is).  

Are the numbers out there of who voted Biden in 20 and went Trump in 24? 

The Juggler

MayDay10 said:

The Juggler said:

hunterh75 said:

Look here folks, an overwhelmingly majority of the nation is not happy with this current administration and didn't believe in four more years of the same ignorance we've been dealt under Biden/Harris. The people have spoken.  Now suck it up buttercup and deal with it. 

Literally 50% of the vote is an "overwhelming majority" to these people.


A nation of idiots will be run by morons...

Objectively, it is a pretty big deal.

for decades, the Republican Party was dying out with the greatest generation and the baby boomers.  They didn't have an answer, and Texas was going to turn blue before long.

This shift was as major as it gets in US politics.  That is a lot of people who voted for Biden, who willingly pulled the lever for Trump this time (knowing full-well who Trump is).  

No doubt.

However obtaining 50.2% of the total vote is most assuredly NOT an "overwhelming majority." It is not remotely close to what he thinks happened.