The number of unique songs is great and likely always will be with this band.
The issue is the number of songs that are making every show vs how many have made every show in the past.
75% of the show is pretty much locked out of those 113 songs with little room of variation between shows.
You would have to see the whole tour to get that variety when in the past 3 shows would give you so many more unique songs.
There are three songs that have been played at every show this year.
The top 20th most played song this tour is played 8 out of 17 shows.
The 20th most played song in 2022 was played 10 out of 33 shows.
It is not even close no matter how you want to keep spinning it.
You made a comment about the number of songs being played at every show. I stated a fact about the number of songs that have been played at every show. That's not spin. It's an inconvenient fact, and you responded by moving the goalpost. You could have replied, "Yeah, they've played three songs at every show this year, but they only played one song at every show in 2022." I don't think that's a meaningful difference, but we could agree to disagree. Instead, you decided to accuse me of being disingenuous.
Almost every show then. Better?
You keep defending the variety of sets like nothing has changed.
Look at the stats on the top 20 songs played. Again it’s not even close to 2 years ago.
so what?
Do you really need it explained to you...?
no but do you need it explained why things change?
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Doubt it’s the setlist. Ed doesn’t write them in that style of penmanship anymore. Probably a setlist generator deal (is that still available?) of what has been played in Missoula plus DM songs. We’ll see…
^Exactly. Sell the shirt during / after the show, and they could have just blurred the images of the shirt on social media. This would have been ideal.
During the show? With all the merchaholics, there would be a mass exodus mid show once word got out about a setlist shirt on sale now at the merch stands.
^Exactly. Sell the shirt during / after the show, and they could have just blurred the images of the shirt on social media. This would have been ideal.
During the show? With all the merchaholics, there would be a mass exodus mid show once word got out about a setlist shirt on sale now at the merch stands.
Lol, "merchaholics" that's great. I was thinking that a few people would go just to beat the post-show lines. But they def should have blurred the image of the shirt before the show.
Doubt it’s the setlist. Ed doesn’t write them in that style of penmanship anymore. Probably a setlist generator deal (is that still available?) of what has been played in Missoula plus DM songs. We’ll see…
Could Ed not have written the setlist on a different sheet of paper, given it to someone, then they typed it up using the setlist font? The seattle 2018 is written in the same style which is when they started doing them and if you look at the real setlist its different penmanship.
I love how lucky we are as fans that a (possible) setlist leaked a couple days before a show and it causes this kind of uproar. Not many major bands change it up like Pearl Jam so the odd thing here and there throughout a career isn't a big deal to me (although I'm not going to the show so may feel different if I was there).
If it isn't the setlist, then I agree its an odd shirt choice like "oh hey, nice shirt, how was DOC live?", "oh, they didnt play it at the show, its just on the setlist tshirt".....
For what its worth, I think this was the real setlist intended for the show but wouldnt be totally surprised to see something different now, even an intended setlist can change throughout the night anyway
I don't know how it is lucky to find out the set before the show. PJ ain't about fireworks and laser beams etc, their whole 'jam' has been about just walking on stage and playing whatever the hell, so to go against this principal of playing more rigid sets (pre-determined many days in advance) is just rubbing fans up the wrong way. But as time goes by and people get older, I guess this is just the way it goes.
It is just a bit weird to think someone went up to EV and said 'please can you write the setlist for missoula now because we want to print it on the back of a shirt to sell before the show'.
It probably came across wrong but I meant lucky in the sense of what we’ve had from this band for so long, go see another major band and I could probably find the ‘copy and paste’ setlist used all tour.
and regarding setlists, I thought I read that over recent years the set lists are not written day or show but before the tour, maybe tinkered with on the day but generally done in advance.
Doubt it’s the setlist. Ed doesn’t write them in that style of penmanship anymore. Probably a setlist generator deal (is that still available?) of what has been played in Missoula plus DM songs. We’ll see…
It’s Jeff’s handwriting and yup just a mashup of what’s been played to date. Not tonight’s set.
To quote the 10C from Newsletter #8: "Please understand we have a lot of members and it is very hard to please everybody. If you are one of those unhappy people...please call 1-900-IDN-TCAR."
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
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Doubt it’s the setlist. Ed doesn’t write them in that style of penmanship anymore. Probably a setlist generator deal (is that still available?) of what has been played in Missoula plus DM songs. We’ll see…
It’s Jeff’s handwriting and yup just a mashup of what’s been played to date. Not tonight’s set.
The number of unique songs is great and likely always will be with this band.
The issue is the number of songs that are making every show vs how many have made every show in the past.
75% of the show is pretty much locked out of those 113 songs with little room of variation between shows.
You would have to see the whole tour to get that variety when in the past 3 shows would give you so many more unique songs.
There are three songs that have been played at every show this year.
The top 20th most played song this tour is played 8 out of 17 shows.
The 20th most played song in 2022 was played 10 out of 33 shows.
It is not even close no matter how you want to keep spinning it.
You made a comment about the number of songs being played at every show. I stated a fact about the number of songs that have been played at every show. That's not spin. It's an inconvenient fact, and you responded by moving the goalpost. You could have replied, "Yeah, they've played three songs at every show this year, but they only played one song at every show in 2022." I don't think that's a meaningful difference, but we could agree to disagree. Instead, you decided to accuse me of being disingenuous.
Almost every show then. Better?
You keep defending the variety of sets like nothing has changed.
Look at the stats on the top 20 songs played. Again it’s not even close to 2 years ago.
I don't think you're taking into account that they are touring behind a new album and committed to playing the songs from that album, or at least that was the approach they took on the first leg, with a third of the set made up of Dark Matter songs across the first ten non-festival shows. They weren't doing that in 2022 once Matt got COVID and they had to deemphasize Gigaton.
Doubt it’s the setlist. Ed doesn’t write them in that style of penmanship anymore. Probably a setlist generator deal (is that still available?) of what has been played in Missoula plus DM songs. We’ll see…
It’s Jeff’s handwriting and yup just a mashup of what’s been played to date. Not tonight’s set.
boom! crisis avoided. lol
Wait, there was a crisis with Boom? I'm glad he's O.K.
I like the shirt whether it's accurate or not. Honestly who cares? Does it cause one stress to walk around knowing a few songs were added/omitted? Unless you run into a rabid Evenbro who is walking behind you it will NEVER come up in conversation.
I dunno man PJ fans can be pretty odd, usually the first 2 questions asked by PJ fans are how many shows have you been to and what is your 10c number, odd things to ask strangers. I wouldnt put it past at all someone going up to me and saying 'HEY DID YOU SEE THE SETLIST ON THE SHIRT, I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY ARE GONNA PLAY SMILE''.
This is spot on lol 60 139XXX
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The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
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2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
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"...I changed by not changing at all..."
and regarding setlists, I thought I read that over recent years the set lists are not written day or show but before the tour, maybe tinkered with on the day but generally done in advance.
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
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albany 06
hartford 06
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The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)
1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
2020: Oakland, Oakland: 2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana