Harris vs Trump vs RFK Jr - VOTE NOW AND DISCUSS

Tim Simmons

Kamala Harris

mrussel1 said:

Tim Simmons said:

Years down the line we may sell our barrels to other countries when we don’t consume as much and have adapted to cleaner tech. But right now, it’s about stockpiling. 

There's no such thing as US oil.  It's all sold on the commodities market. 

gotcha

mrussel1

Kamala Harris

teskeinc said:

Tim Simmons said:

Consumers have demonstrated they will (have to?) pay that much. No incentive for the oil companies to change it. Especially when they see the writing is in the wall that they are in their way out. May as well get it while you can. 

Still doesn’t explain the disparity in National Average in the last 1-15 years. Outside of Covid the demand didn’t vary much. You could even argue demand is less with more electric cars on the road every day. But averages ranged from $2- close to $5 a gallon. There’s manipulation to the market. 

Um yeah. OPEC+ is a cartel.  They manipulate the market.  Are you new to all of this?  

Here's the price per barrel over time.  Notice if you pick out certain months it correlates the price per gallon?  

BF25394

teskeinc said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

teskeinc said:

Go Beavers said:

The Juggler said:

teskeinc said:

josevolution said:

I’m just hoping she doesn’t fumble the debate she has to make him own all his disasters and make him come unhinged on live tv 

Trump rambles the same thing every debate. If he were to just hammer Kamala on the border and economy for 90 minutes she would be in trouble. But you know he can’t, he will go off on his tangents, tell a few lies and exaggerations like he did vs Biden.

Why did Donald Trump kill the bipartisan, most conservative in decades, border bill? Easy retort...even you cannot answer it (as I have given you multiple attempts by this point).

Kamala would sign that bill into law and protect our borders. Donald Trump wants the borders wide open for his own political gain because he knows people like you are not paying attention. 

On both the economy and the border, Harris can pretty much flip both to point out his failures in each category. 

Inflation is 20% since 2021. Over 10 million have illegally crossed as well. How do you flip that? Polls show overwhelmingly on who handles both issues better and it’s Trump, not even close. The last thing the Dems want to talk about are those issues. That’s why Dems pivot to abortion, always a win for them.

Polls often times don’t reflect reality. Something POOTWH supporters aren’t living in.

The reality is Inflation is +20% since Biden/Harris took office. Gas prices are significantly higher, interest rates are 3x higher, 10+ million illegals have crossed the border under their watch. Wars were started in Ukraine and Gaza under Biden/Harris. 

Emotional voters (90% here) are looking for a friend in a President. You can spin all those statistics if you want and blame Trump but all that was under Biden/Harris. If they did a great job, Biden would have been a shoe in like Obama in 2012. Reality is they did a terrible job, that’s why the race is tight.

A war directly involving the United States was ended in Afghanistan under Biden/Harris. That war was waged for all four years of the Trump administration. Trump supporters have to stop pretending that there were "no wars" when Trump was president. It's a flat-out falsehood. Biden was the one who did what no one else had been able to do for 20 years, finally ripping the Band-Aid off and ending that war. And Trump supporters simultaneously pretend that war wasn't happening when Trump was president and also complain that Biden "botched" the exit from the war.

Russia's war on Ukraine started in 2014 when they invaded and annexed Crimea. You should definitely feel free to withhold your vote from Obama and Biden for that happening on their watch. And the war involving the Israelis did not start in Gaza. It started in Israel, when 1,200 of its citizens were murdered in a brutal attack by Hamas in October. Anyway, if you're going to blame Biden or Harris for the fact that there are wars in the world that the United States did not launch, then blame Trump for all of the wars that were ongoing in the world when he was president, like in Yemen, in the Caucasus and in the Sahel.

BF25394

teskeinc said:

20 year low gas prices because of Covid? Wasn’t Trump President for 3 years prior? Or those don’t count? 

We faced a generational crisis in 2020, and Trump had the opportunity to provide leadership in that crisis. He failed miserably. Why would anyone want to give him the opportunity to be responsible for handling a crisis again? Remember, his idea of leadership was to keep a ship with infected passengers offshore so that the "numbers" wouldn't go up from the 15 cases that had been identified at that time, as if the people were not infected if you didn't count them as infected. Remember also that all of the restrictions and purported infringements on people's freedom that happened in the wake of COVID happened on Trump's watch. Fifteen days to stop the spread? That was Trump's government that promulgated that.

Second, the guy still hasn't conceded an election that he plainly lost, and then he tried to steal it in multiple ways. "Find me 11,780 votes." Why would anyone want to give him the opportunity to regain the power that practically had to be clawed away from him all the way up through January 6? No reasonable person should want that guy anywhere near the power of the presidency.

BF25394

teskeinc said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

teskeinc said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Only morons call facts “spin”. 

and the smart morons have "alternative facts".

gimmesometruth27 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

Only morons call facts “spin”. 

and the smart morons have "alternative facts".

Go find your safe space Sparky!

i don't need one. 


this really isn't going well for you, is it?

😂😂😂 All comedy my friend. I’ve got people posting 4 pages defending Tampon Tim. Another couple pages of people trying to defend Biden/Harris record to 99% radical left supporters! 😂😂😂😂 What isn’t going well?

One of the reasons why Donald Trump has yet to reach 47 percent of the vote in a presidential election is that he and his supporters brand anyone who opposes Trump as "radical left." The fact is that the radical left makes up a portion of the Democratic Party, and a smaller portion of the large number of independent voters like me, whereas almost the entire Republican Party consists of radical extremists who want to abandon our decades-long alliances, eliminate large portions of the federal government (including millions of jobs), police the sexual and reproductive lives of Americans, and elect a convicted felon who tried to steal the last election in defiance of every legal and political norm this country has observed for as long as anyone alive can remember.

You don't seem to ever learn. In 2008, the Republicans tried very hard to paint Barack Obama as a radical leftist. Normal people who don't marinate in the fever swamp of Fox News and right-wing talk radio looked at Obama and said, "This guy? A radical? WTF is wrong with these people?" Feel free to try that strategy again with former prosecutor Harris and military veteran and football coach Walz. I doubt it's going to work. You're a radical right-wing hammer, so everything you see is a radical left-wing nail. Most normal people have no idea what you're talking about.

BF25394

teskeinc said:

The country is slowly transitioning to electric vehicle and solar. The infrastructure just isn’t there or affordability for most Americans. Wouldn’t a policy of producing our own oil vs relying on importing from Middle East and Venezuela for say the next 15-20 years keeping transportation costs lower and lowering inflation all while building the infrastructure to transition to all electric be a more prudent policy for the country?

We supposedly have more oil reserves than anywhere in the world in Alaska.

1995 called and wants its talking point back. The United States is currently the world's largest producer of crude oil. We do not rely on imported oil. We are a net exporter of oil.

teskeinc

BF25394 said:

teskeinc said:

The country is slowly transitioning to electric vehicle and solar. The infrastructure just isn’t there or affordability for most Americans. Wouldn’t a policy of producing our own oil vs relying on importing from Middle East and Venezuela for say the next 15-20 years keeping transportation costs lower and lowering inflation all while building the infrastructure to transition to all electric be a more prudent policy for the country?

We supposedly have more oil reserves than anywhere in the world in Alaska.

1995 called and wants its talking point back. The United States is currently the world's largest producer of crude oil. We do not rely on imported oil. We are a net exporter of oil.

Thanks for your 17 minutes of spin that’s already been posted 100 times on here. Morning Joe should honor you for the great grammar tho!

Halifax2TheMax

teskeinc said:

BF25394 said:

teskeinc said:

The country is slowly transitioning to electric vehicle and solar. The infrastructure just isn’t there or affordability for most Americans. Wouldn’t a policy of producing our own oil vs relying on importing from Middle East and Venezuela for say the next 15-20 years keeping transportation costs lower and lowering inflation all while building the infrastructure to transition to all electric be a more prudent policy for the country?

We supposedly have more oil reserves than anywhere in the world in Alaska.

1995 called and wants its talking point back. The United States is currently the world's largest producer of crude oil. We do not rely on imported oil. We are a net exporter of oil.

Thanks for your 17 minutes of spin that’s already been posted 100 times on here. Morning Joe should honor you for the great grammar tho!

Per usual, you got shit.

BF25394

teskeinc said:

BF25394 said:

teskeinc said:

The country is slowly transitioning to electric vehicle and solar. The infrastructure just isn’t there or affordability for most Americans. Wouldn’t a policy of producing our own oil vs relying on importing from Middle East and Venezuela for say the next 15-20 years keeping transportation costs lower and lowering inflation all while building the infrastructure to transition to all electric be a more prudent policy for the country?

We supposedly have more oil reserves than anywhere in the world in Alaska.

1995 called and wants its talking point back. The United States is currently the world's largest producer of crude oil. We do not rely on imported oil. We are a net exporter of oil.

Thanks for your 17 minutes of spin that’s already been posted 100 times on here. Morning Joe should honor you for the great grammar tho!

Spin? It's a fact. You implied a falsehood-- that we rely on imported oil and don't produce our own-- and I corrected your erroneous implication.

Grammar? What are you talking about?

Halifax2TheMax

BF25394 said:

teskeinc said:

BF25394 said:

teskeinc said:

The country is slowly transitioning to electric vehicle and solar. The infrastructure just isn’t there or affordability for most Americans. Wouldn’t a policy of producing our own oil vs relying on importing from Middle East and Venezuela for say the next 15-20 years keeping transportation costs lower and lowering inflation all while building the infrastructure to transition to all electric be a more prudent policy for the country?

We supposedly have more oil reserves than anywhere in the world in Alaska.

1995 called and wants its talking point back. The United States is currently the world's largest producer of crude oil. We do not rely on imported oil. We are a net exporter of oil.

Thanks for your 17 minutes of spin that’s already been posted 100 times on here. Morning Joe should honor you for the great grammar tho!

Spin? It's a fact. You implied a falsehood-- that we rely on imported oil and don't produce our own-- and I corrected your erroneous implication.

Grammar? What are you talking about?

Shits been lost. For. A. Long. Time. Coming.

njhaley1

Kamala Harris

BF25394 said:

teskeinc said:

BF25394 said:

teskeinc said:

The country is slowly transitioning to electric vehicle and solar. The infrastructure just isn’t there or affordability for most Americans. Wouldn’t a policy of producing our own oil vs relying on importing from Middle East and Venezuela for say the next 15-20 years keeping transportation costs lower and lowering inflation all while building the infrastructure to transition to all electric be a more prudent policy for the country?

We supposedly have more oil reserves than anywhere in the world in Alaska.

1995 called and wants its talking point back. The United States is currently the world's largest producer of crude oil. We do not rely on imported oil. We are a net exporter of oil.

Thanks for your 17 minutes of spin that’s already been posted 100 times on here. Morning Joe should honor you for the great grammar tho!

Spin? It's a fact. You implied a falsehood-- that we rely on imported oil and don't produce our own-- and I corrected your erroneous implication.

Grammar? What are you talking about?

It has to be a parody account - posting the most off-the-wall things to rile everyone up and motivate them to vote. 

I'd say it's working, and hope they keep posting. 

Poncier

teskeinc said:

 

Only coincidence that demand was less those 4 years during Trump? Demand was less during 2020 lockdowns for sure but not 2016-2019.

 

You do know Trump was not President in 2016 (the lowest price on that timeline).
He took office in 2017.

The Juggler

Kamala Harris

teskeinc said:

😂😂😂 No, it was me who killed the bi-partisan bill. Johnson is a friend of mine, I told him to axe it. My bad.

So are you just afraid to admit that Trump killed the bipartisan border bill? For someone who claims (lies?) about being an independent and also concerned about the border, you sure do seem adverse to bipartisan legislation that would help solve the problem for some strange, most assuredly disingenuous, reason. 

Why does Trump want open borders?

The Juggler

Kamala Harris

The wheels are falling off the maga bus, folks. Trump has consistently lead on the economy forever.



https://www.cnbc.com/2024/08/09/harris-erases-trumps-lead-economy-new-cnbc-generation-lab-survey.html

Harris erases Trump’s lead on economy among younger Americans, CNBC/Generation Lab survey finds

Published Fri, Aug 9 20244:28 PM EDTUpdated Moments Ago

Jason Gewirtz@jasongewirtz

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Key Points

• Vice President Kamala Harris has erased Donald Trump’s lead on the question of who would handle the economy better, a new CNBC Generation Lab survey of younger Americans finds.
• If the presidential election were held today, the latest poll found Harris holding a 12-point lead over Trump among younger Americans, 46% to 34%.
• More than two-thirds of younger Americans say the economy is heading in the wrong direction, but they do not appear to blame Harris for this.

U.S. Vice President Kamala Harris and Republican presidential nominee and former U.S. President Donald Trump.

Brendan Mcdermid | Elizabeth Frantz | Reuters

Younger Americans do not appear to hold Vice President Kamala Harris responsible for what many of them believe is a worsening U.S. economy under the Biden-Harris administration, according to a new survey from CNBC and Generation Lab.

The latest quarterly Youth & Money Survey, taken after Biden dropped out of the race in July, reveals that 69% of Americans between 18 and 34 years old believe the economy is getting worse under President Joe Biden.

But they also think the candidate best able to improve the economy is the de facto Democratic nominee Harris, not Republican nominee and former President Donald Trump.

Harris was viewed as the best candidate for the economy by 41% of poll respondents, while 40% chose Trump, while 19% said the economy would do better under someone else, like third party candidate Robert F. Kennedy Jr.

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The results amount to a seven-point swing in Democrats’ favor on the economy since CNBC asked the same question in May’s Youth & Money Survey. At that time, only 34% of respondents believed Biden, then the likely Democratic nominee, was the best candidate to boost the economy, with 40% choosing Trump and 25% saying Kennedy.

The shift in voting support for Harris is even wider among respondents overall. If the presidential election were held today, the latest poll found Harris holding a 12-point lead over Trump among younger Americans, 46% to 34%, while 21% said they would vote for either Kennedy or another candidate.

Three months ago, the same survey found Trump and Biden effectively tied, with 36% for Biden and 35% for Trump, and 29% planning to vote for Kennedy.

This jump in support for Harris today is all the more notable because of how significant the economy is to the voting choices of younger Americans.

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According to the new CNBC survey data, the “economy and cost of living” was cited more than any other issue when respondents were asked what will impact their decisions about who to vote for, with 66% of respondents naming it among their top three. Running second with 34% was “access to abortion and reproductive rights,” followed by “gun violence/control” at 26%.

Nonetheless, these results also contain warning signs for Harris and the Democratic Party.

To win the White House, Harris will likely need to do even better among young people in November than her current 12-point lead in the CNBC and Generation Lab’s survey.

‘Bidenomics’ may not be a drag on Harris

With fewer than 90 days to go before Election Day on Nov. 5, these new results could have significant implications for a presidential contest that was altered by Biden’s decision to drop out.

As pollsters race to gather data on how Harris’ candidacy is — or is not — changing the race, one of the biggest unanswered questions for both parties is whether Americans will transfer their well-documented frustration with Biden, after years of high inflation and high interest rates, directly over to Harris.

These findings suggest that the political drag of “Bidenomics” has so far not rubbed off on Harris — at least not among younger people.

In 2020 for example, Biden won voters age 18 to 29 by a margin of 24 percentage points, with 59% of the vote to Trump’s 35%.

And while young people have long made up a crucial constituency for Democratic candidates, this year, depending upon which states Kennedy appears on the ballot, the embattled anti-vaccine independent might still be able to peel away enough votes from Harris to cut into her overall margins.

Turnout is also a potential trouble spot for Democrats. The 18- to 34-year-old cohort makes up roughly a quarter of the total U.S. population, or around 76 million people, according to U.S. Census Bureau data. During the last presidential election in 2020, 57% of this age group turned out to vote.

In this survey, 77% of respondents said they either definitely or probably will vote. But in past elections, the number of people who say they plan to vote is typically much higher than those who actually do.

Economy is still a wild card

Lastly, as is always the case in an election, the economy itself could either hurt or help Harris, depending upon where it goes.

For example, this poll was taken between July 22 and July 29, before the latest jobs report showed a contraction, spurring new fears of an economic recession.

It was also taken before the market sell-off on Aug. 5, which was triggered in part by fears stemming from the rocky jobs report.

Meanwhile, most polls that sample all adults, and not just younger people, still show Trump holding on to his advantage when it comes to which candidate voters trust more to improve the economy.

Any more bad economic news between now and November could see voters blame Harris -- who has yet to fully articulate an economic agenda distinct from Biden’s — and pivot back to the perceived safety of Trump’s familiar economic agenda.

The survey interviewed 1,043 adults between the ages of 18 and 34, with a margin of error of 3.0%.

curmudgeoness

Kamala Harris

As someone who is still twitchy from the 2016 outcome, I urge everyone to not get comfortable or be overconfident.

Tim Simmons

Kamala Harris

Don't worry. Thats baked into our liberal DNA at this point. Handwringing szn approaches

Gern Blansten

Donald Trump

pjhawks said:

josevolution said:

I’m just hoping she doesn’t fumble the debate she has to make him own all his disasters and make him come unhinged on live tv 

I want her to call him a liar and a felon in the debates. See his head explode and completely lose his shit.  How do you defeat a bully.  Punch him in the damn nose,  be aggressive against him

Rewatch the Pence Harris debate... She's going to kill him 

Tim Simmons

Kamala Harris

But I'm riding the vibes for right now

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Tim Simmons

Kamala Harris

gimmesometruth27

Kamala Harris

curmudgeoness said:

As someone who is still twitchy from the 2016 outcome, I urge everyone to not get comfortable or be overconfident.

in my voting life my candidate won the popular vote but not the electoral college twice. never again.