DONALD J. TRUMP & JD VANCE 2024

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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,086
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    I don’t see anything wrong with what he said:
    ”Look, I love my wife so much. I love her because she’s who she is,” he told host Megyn Kelly on her show Friday. “Obviously, she’s not a white person, and we’ve been accused, attacked by some white supremacists over that. But I just, I love Usha.”

    Usha Vance has faced a slew of far-right attacks targeting her Indian heritage following her husband’s nomination to the Republican ticket. 

    “Who is this guy, really? Do we really expect that the guy who has an Indian wife and named their kid Vivek is going to support white identity?” prominent white supremacist Nick Fuentes said of Vance

    In the context of the article you linked, what’s wrong with what he said?

    I pointed out what's wrong already...you are in full apologist mode. Dude said she's not white BUT I love her. The "BUT" suggests a "hey yeah she's not one of us but I love her" vibe.
    The problem is you (probably intentionally, but I don’t know that for fact) misquoted him to make it sound worse.
    You wrote “she's not white but I love her”

    What he actually said “Look, I love my wife so much. I love her because she’s who she is. Obviously, she’s not a white person, and we’ve been accused, attacked by some white supremacists over that. But I just, I love Usha.”

    He’s defending their relationship against white supremacists. Omitting the middle part and directly connecting the “she’s not white” to the “I love her”like you did changes the tone and meaning.

    You’re taking someone in an interracial marriage and misquote them to make it sound like he’s racist. Seems ironic to me.
    The word “but” doesn’t enter the person’s brain unless they’re validating what the critics said or they themselves think her race is a deficiency. 
  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,589
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  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,275
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    I don’t see anything wrong with what he said:
    ”Look, I love my wife so much. I love her because she’s who she is,” he told host Megyn Kelly on her show Friday. “Obviously, she’s not a white person, and we’ve been accused, attacked by some white supremacists over that. But I just, I love Usha.”

    Usha Vance has faced a slew of far-right attacks targeting her Indian heritage following her husband’s nomination to the Republican ticket. 

    “Who is this guy, really? Do we really expect that the guy who has an Indian wife and named their kid Vivek is going to support white identity?” prominent white supremacist Nick Fuentes said of Vance

    In the context of the article you linked, what’s wrong with what he said?

    I pointed out what's wrong already...you are in full apologist mode. Dude said she's not white BUT I love her. The "BUT" suggests a "hey yeah she's not one of us but I love her" vibe.
    The problem is you (probably intentionally, but I don’t know that for fact) misquoted him to make it sound worse.
    You wrote “she's not white but I love her”

    What he actually said “Look, I love my wife so much. I love her because she’s who she is. Obviously, she’s not a white person, and we’ve been accused, attacked by some white supremacists over that. But I just, I love Usha.”

    He’s defending their relationship against white supremacists. Omitting the middle part and directly connecting the “she’s not white” to the “I love her”like you did changes the tone and meaning.

    You’re taking someone in an interracial marriage and misquote them to make it sound like he’s racist. Seems ironic to me.
    The word “but” doesn’t enter the person’s brain unless they’re validating what the critics said or they themselves think her race is a deficiency. 
    Exactly... I'm not suggesting he's racist I'm pointing out that he is complacent to the white supremacy belief. He didn't say "don't vote for me I love her" he basically said yeah she's not one us but I love her 
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  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    I don’t see anything wrong with what he said:
    ”Look, I love my wife so much. I love her because she’s who she is,” he told host Megyn Kelly on her show Friday. “Obviously, she’s not a white person, and we’ve been accused, attacked by some white supremacists over that. But I just, I love Usha.”

    Usha Vance has faced a slew of far-right attacks targeting her Indian heritage following her husband’s nomination to the Republican ticket. 

    “Who is this guy, really? Do we really expect that the guy who has an Indian wife and named their kid Vivek is going to support white identity?” prominent white supremacist Nick Fuentes said of Vance

    In the context of the article you linked, what’s wrong with what he said?

    I pointed out what's wrong already...you are in full apologist mode. Dude said she's not white BUT I love her. The "BUT" suggests a "hey yeah she's not one of us but I love her" vibe.
    The problem is you (probably intentionally, but I don’t know that for fact) misquoted him to make it sound worse.
    You wrote “she's not white but I love her”

    What he actually said “Look, I love my wife so much. I love her because she’s who she is. Obviously, she’s not a white person, and we’ve been accused, attacked by some white supremacists over that. But I just, I love Usha.”

    He’s defending their relationship against white supremacists. Omitting the middle part and directly connecting the “she’s not white” to the “I love her”like you did changes the tone and meaning.

    You’re taking someone in an interracial marriage and misquote them to make it sound like he’s racist. Seems ironic to me.
    The word “but” doesn’t enter the person’s brain unless they’re validating what the critics said or they themselves think her race is a deficiency. 
    Exactly... I'm not suggesting he's racist I'm pointing out that he is complacent to the white supremacy belief. He didn't say "don't vote for me I love her" he basically said yeah she's not one us but I love her 
    his old college buddy says jd has completely flipped his position on every issue. if he tolerates that racism because he needs the votes, it is tacit approval.

    dems don't stand for that stuff.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,589
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,589

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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,451
    edited July 31
    The idea that Vance doesn’t know exactly who he & trump are pandering to is laughable. 
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,275
    Vance needs to be challenged with some questions related to childless GOP women....start with Ginny Thomas. 
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,589
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,589

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  • curmudgeonesscurmudgeoness Posts: 3,988
    George is putting his money where his mouth is, and I'm here for it.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,589

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  • FiveBelowFiveBelow Posts: 1,288
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    I don’t see anything wrong with what he said:
    ”Look, I love my wife so much. I love her because she’s who she is,” he told host Megyn Kelly on her show Friday. “Obviously, she’s not a white person, and we’ve been accused, attacked by some white supremacists over that. But I just, I love Usha.”

    Usha Vance has faced a slew of far-right attacks targeting her Indian heritage following her husband’s nomination to the Republican ticket. 

    “Who is this guy, really? Do we really expect that the guy who has an Indian wife and named their kid Vivek is going to support white identity?” prominent white supremacist Nick Fuentes said of Vance

    In the context of the article you linked, what’s wrong with what he said?

    I pointed out what's wrong already...you are in full apologist mode. Dude said she's not white BUT I love her. The "BUT" suggests a "hey yeah she's not one of us but I love her" vibe.
    The problem is you (probably intentionally, but I don’t know that for fact) misquoted him to make it sound worse.
    You wrote “she's not white but I love her”

    What he actually said “Look, I love my wife so much. I love her because she’s who she is. Obviously, she’s not a white person, and we’ve been accused, attacked by some white supremacists over that. But I just, I love Usha.”

    He’s defending their relationship against white supremacists. Omitting the middle part and directly connecting the “she’s not white” to the “I love her”like you did changes the tone and meaning.

    You’re taking someone in an interracial marriage and misquote them to make it sound like he’s racist. Seems ironic to me.
    The word “but” doesn’t enter the person’s brain unless they’re validating what the critics said or they themselves think her race is a deficiency. 
    Does this also apply to anyone whose go-to defense is “but trump, or but the republicans” any time someone breaks the cardinal sin of criticizing democrats around here? 
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,275
    FiveBelow said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    I don’t see anything wrong with what he said:
    ”Look, I love my wife so much. I love her because she’s who she is,” he told host Megyn Kelly on her show Friday. “Obviously, she’s not a white person, and we’ve been accused, attacked by some white supremacists over that. But I just, I love Usha.”

    Usha Vance has faced a slew of far-right attacks targeting her Indian heritage following her husband’s nomination to the Republican ticket. 

    “Who is this guy, really? Do we really expect that the guy who has an Indian wife and named their kid Vivek is going to support white identity?” prominent white supremacist Nick Fuentes said of Vance

    In the context of the article you linked, what’s wrong with what he said?

    I pointed out what's wrong already...you are in full apologist mode. Dude said she's not white BUT I love her. The "BUT" suggests a "hey yeah she's not one of us but I love her" vibe.
    The problem is you (probably intentionally, but I don’t know that for fact) misquoted him to make it sound worse.
    You wrote “she's not white but I love her”

    What he actually said “Look, I love my wife so much. I love her because she’s who she is. Obviously, she’s not a white person, and we’ve been accused, attacked by some white supremacists over that. But I just, I love Usha.”

    He’s defending their relationship against white supremacists. Omitting the middle part and directly connecting the “she’s not white” to the “I love her”like you did changes the tone and meaning.

    You’re taking someone in an interracial marriage and misquote them to make it sound like he’s racist. Seems ironic to me.
    The word “but” doesn’t enter the person’s brain unless they’re validating what the critics said or they themselves think her race is a deficiency. 
    Does this also apply to anyone whose go-to defense is “but trump, or but the republicans” any time someone breaks the cardinal sin of criticizing democrats around here? 
    It depends doesn't it? If you have a problem with a "lie" a democrat told but you don't have a similar problem with a lie that tRump told then yeah...you're going to get comments about that.
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  • josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 29,538
    FiveBelow said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    I don’t see anything wrong with what he said:
    ”Look, I love my wife so much. I love her because she’s who she is,” he told host Megyn Kelly on her show Friday. “Obviously, she’s not a white person, and we’ve been accused, attacked by some white supremacists over that. But I just, I love Usha.”

    Usha Vance has faced a slew of far-right attacks targeting her Indian heritage following her husband’s nomination to the Republican ticket. 

    “Who is this guy, really? Do we really expect that the guy who has an Indian wife and named their kid Vivek is going to support white identity?” prominent white supremacist Nick Fuentes said of Vance

    In the context of the article you linked, what’s wrong with what he said?

    I pointed out what's wrong already...you are in full apologist mode. Dude said she's not white BUT I love her. The "BUT" suggests a "hey yeah she's not one of us but I love her" vibe.
    The problem is you (probably intentionally, but I don’t know that for fact) misquoted him to make it sound worse.
    You wrote “she's not white but I love her”

    What he actually said “Look, I love my wife so much. I love her because she’s who she is. Obviously, she’s not a white person, and we’ve been accused, attacked by some white supremacists over that. But I just, I love Usha.”

    He’s defending their relationship against white supremacists. Omitting the middle part and directly connecting the “she’s not white” to the “I love her”like you did changes the tone and meaning.

    You’re taking someone in an interracial marriage and misquote them to make it sound like he’s racist. Seems ironic to me.
    The word “but” doesn’t enter the person’s brain unless they’re validating what the critics said or they themselves think her race is a deficiency. 
    Does this also apply to anyone whose go-to defense is “but trump, or but the republicans” any time someone breaks the cardinal sin of criticizing democrats around here? 
    But trumpollini incited an insurrection! Did I use but correctly? I’m here to learn. 
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  • Go BeaversGo Beavers Posts: 9,086
    FiveBelow said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    I don’t see anything wrong with what he said:
    ”Look, I love my wife so much. I love her because she’s who she is,” he told host Megyn Kelly on her show Friday. “Obviously, she’s not a white person, and we’ve been accused, attacked by some white supremacists over that. But I just, I love Usha.”

    Usha Vance has faced a slew of far-right attacks targeting her Indian heritage following her husband’s nomination to the Republican ticket. 

    “Who is this guy, really? Do we really expect that the guy who has an Indian wife and named their kid Vivek is going to support white identity?” prominent white supremacist Nick Fuentes said of Vance

    In the context of the article you linked, what’s wrong with what he said?

    I pointed out what's wrong already...you are in full apologist mode. Dude said she's not white BUT I love her. The "BUT" suggests a "hey yeah she's not one of us but I love her" vibe.
    The problem is you (probably intentionally, but I don’t know that for fact) misquoted him to make it sound worse.
    You wrote “she's not white but I love her”

    What he actually said “Look, I love my wife so much. I love her because she’s who she is. Obviously, she’s not a white person, and we’ve been accused, attacked by some white supremacists over that. But I just, I love Usha.”

    He’s defending their relationship against white supremacists. Omitting the middle part and directly connecting the “she’s not white” to the “I love her”like you did changes the tone and meaning.

    You’re taking someone in an interracial marriage and misquote them to make it sound like he’s racist. Seems ironic to me.
    The word “but” doesn’t enter the person’s brain unless they’re validating what the critics said or they themselves think her race is a deficiency. 
    Does this also apply to anyone whose go-to defense is “but trump, or but the republicans” any time someone breaks the cardinal sin of criticizing democrats around here? 
    Key word you used is ‘defense’. Vance needed to defend the attacks on his wife, and did so with a nod to the critics. 

    ‘But Trump’ is used in a different context as a counter-argument, as in ‘you’re supporting a guy who does the same or worse’. 
  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,451
    The insistence that there’s a democrat or left wing equivalent to trump or the maga movement isn’t based in reality. 
  • gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 Posts: 23,303
    The insistence that there’s a democrat or left wing equivalent to trump or the maga movement isn’t based in reality. 
    they will tell you barrack HUSSEIN obama is worse.
    "You can tell the greatness of a man by what makes him angry."  - Lincoln

    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
  • Gern BlanstenGern Blansten Posts: 20,275
    edited July 31
    The insistence that there’s a democrat or left wing equivalent to trump or the maga movement isn’t based in reality. 
    they will tell you barrack HUSSEIN obama is worse.
    I actually saw someone use the Barack Obama uses a teleprompter insult this morning...thought that golden oldie was dead

    Which is a good example of a situation requiring a "what about tRump" response
    Post edited by Gern Blansten on
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    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 39,025
    The insistence that there’s a democrat or left wing equivalent to trump or the maga movement isn’t based in reality. 
    they will tell you barrack HUSSEIN obama is worse.
    And that Dems have to clean up their messes too. Speaking of which, when is POOTWH going to be “forced” out? He’s old, senile, babbling like a brook, scared of a woman, with make up on his collar and catsup on his sleeves and front of his shirt. When’s that hot mess getting cleaned up?
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  • Merkin BallerMerkin Baller Posts: 11,451
    Yeah, It’s funny how old age and diminished mental capacity isn’t a hang up for people anymore… both sides indeed. 
  • brianluxbrianlux Posts: 42,033
    mickeyrat said:


    I missed to beginning of this whole "Last Supper" deal.  What is that all about?
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  • FiveBelowFiveBelow Posts: 1,288
    FiveBelow said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    I don’t see anything wrong with what he said:
    ”Look, I love my wife so much. I love her because she’s who she is,” he told host Megyn Kelly on her show Friday. “Obviously, she’s not a white person, and we’ve been accused, attacked by some white supremacists over that. But I just, I love Usha.”

    Usha Vance has faced a slew of far-right attacks targeting her Indian heritage following her husband’s nomination to the Republican ticket. 

    “Who is this guy, really? Do we really expect that the guy who has an Indian wife and named their kid Vivek is going to support white identity?” prominent white supremacist Nick Fuentes said of Vance

    In the context of the article you linked, what’s wrong with what he said?

    I pointed out what's wrong already...you are in full apologist mode. Dude said she's not white BUT I love her. The "BUT" suggests a "hey yeah she's not one of us but I love her" vibe.
    The problem is you (probably intentionally, but I don’t know that for fact) misquoted him to make it sound worse.
    You wrote “she's not white but I love her”

    What he actually said “Look, I love my wife so much. I love her because she’s who she is. Obviously, she’s not a white person, and we’ve been accused, attacked by some white supremacists over that. But I just, I love Usha.”

    He’s defending their relationship against white supremacists. Omitting the middle part and directly connecting the “she’s not white” to the “I love her”like you did changes the tone and meaning.

    You’re taking someone in an interracial marriage and misquote them to make it sound like he’s racist. Seems ironic to me.
    The word “but” doesn’t enter the person’s brain unless they’re validating what the critics said or they themselves think her race is a deficiency. 
    Does this also apply to anyone whose go-to defense is “but trump, or but the republicans” any time someone breaks the cardinal sin of criticizing democrats around here? 
    It depends doesn't it? If you have a problem with a "lie" a democrat told but you don't have a similar problem with a lie that tRump told then yeah...you're going to get comments about that.
    I have a problem with anyone who lies or deceives, party affiliation is irrelevant to me. Criticizing one while giving a pass to the other simply because they suck less doesn't make sense to me. I see a lot of that around here.
    FiveBelow said:
    mace1229 said:
    mace1229 said:
    I don’t see anything wrong with what he said:
    ”Look, I love my wife so much. I love her because she’s who she is,” he told host Megyn Kelly on her show Friday. “Obviously, she’s not a white person, and we’ve been accused, attacked by some white supremacists over that. But I just, I love Usha.”

    Usha Vance has faced a slew of far-right attacks targeting her Indian heritage following her husband’s nomination to the Republican ticket. 

    “Who is this guy, really? Do we really expect that the guy who has an Indian wife and named their kid Vivek is going to support white identity?” prominent white supremacist Nick Fuentes said of Vance

    In the context of the article you linked, what’s wrong with what he said?

    I pointed out what's wrong already...you are in full apologist mode. Dude said she's not white BUT I love her. The "BUT" suggests a "hey yeah she's not one of us but I love her" vibe.
    The problem is you (probably intentionally, but I don’t know that for fact) misquoted him to make it sound worse.
    You wrote “she's not white but I love her”

    What he actually said “Look, I love my wife so much. I love her because she’s who she is. Obviously, she’s not a white person, and we’ve been accused, attacked by some white supremacists over that. But I just, I love Usha.”

    He’s defending their relationship against white supremacists. Omitting the middle part and directly connecting the “she’s not white” to the “I love her”like you did changes the tone and meaning.

    You’re taking someone in an interracial marriage and misquote them to make it sound like he’s racist. Seems ironic to me.
    The word “but” doesn’t enter the person’s brain unless they’re validating what the critics said or they themselves think her race is a deficiency. 
    Does this also apply to anyone whose go-to defense is “but trump, or but the republicans” any time someone breaks the cardinal sin of criticizing democrats around here? 
    Key word you used is ‘defense’. Vance needed to defend the attacks on his wife, and did so with a nod to the critics. 

    ‘But Trump’ is used in a different context as a counter-argument, as in ‘you’re supporting a guy who does the same or worse’. 
    Another common misconception is that simple criticism of the democratic party equates to support for the republican party. It doesn't. It is possible to critique them independently.

  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 38,589
    brianlux said:
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    I missed to beginning of this whole "Last Supper" deal.  What is that all about?
    paris olympics and CINO's (fake ass christians) in outrage over a performance art piece

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  • curmudgeonesscurmudgeoness Posts: 3,988
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    The Olympics' opening ceremony featured a tableau that apparently was reminiscent of "The Last Supper," and folks are big mad about it. Edit to add: Because this was the first time in history that "The Last Supper" had been appropriated in popular culture. /s

    (Again, with enthusiasm, I recommend Brent Terhune's take on this -- on YouTube)
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    All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
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    George Conway's PsychoPAC ad:

    All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 48,908

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/jd-vance-2021-war-against-204358464.html


    D Vance In 2021: 'We Have To Go To War' Against The Idea That Women Don't Have To Have Kids

    Jennifer Bendery
    Updated Tue, July 30, 2024 at 9:26 PM EDT·4 min read
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    Donald Trump’s vice presidential pick, JD Vance, said in 2021 that “we have to go to war” against the idea that women can decide not to have children, suggesting that someone who focuses on building their career instead of making babies will be “a sad, lonely, pathetic person.”

    In an interview with The Federalist in May 2021, Vance was asked what he thinks conservatives can do to encourage Americans to have more kids. He suggested cultural messaging is key.

    “To be a little stark about this, I think we have to go to war against the anti-child ideology that exists in our country,” said Vance, who is currently the Republican senator from Ohio. 

    Though he generally didn’t specify the gender of the childless people he was criticizing, the context of his remarks made it seem he was primarily speaking to women.

    Citing a conversation that had recently unfolded on Twitter, Vance described a “ridiculous effort by millennial feminist writers” to talk about why there are good reasons not to have children and how some of them were glad they didn’t have kids and even to encourage “people who had had children to talk about why they regretted having children.”

    He ripped these unnamed “mediocre millennial journalists” and suggested that if they’re advocating for women to focus on advancing their careers over making babies, they are “pathetic.”

    “Not enough people have accepted that if they put their entire life’s meaning into their credential, into where they went to school, into what kind of job they have ― if you put all of your life’s meaning into that, you’re going to be the sort of person who asks women to talk about how they regret having children,” Vance said.

    He added, “You’re going to be a sad, lonely, pathetic person and you’re going to know it internally.”

    JD Vance said in 2021 that we have to go to war against the idea that women can decide not to have children
    JD Vance said in 2021 that “we have to go to war” against the idea that women can decide not to have children. Stephen Maturen via Getty Images

    The GOP vice presidential nominee went on to say that people who have had children “have actually built something more meaningful with their lives,” and that is why “we have to go to war against that ideology and the people behind it.”

    Vance brought up his sister, Lindsay Lewis Ratliff, who he said sometimes wonders aloud if she should have waited to have children. Lewis, who is five years older than him, got married and began having kids while Vance was still living with his grandparents. She is now a mother of three.

    “Sometimes, you know, she’ll say things to me like, ‘You know, maybe I should have delayed having kids. Maybe I should have went to school,’” Vance said. “And it’s like, Lindsay, you’ve been a great mom. Your children are happy. They’re healthy.”

    “People like my sister should not feel like the cultural messaging is ‘your life is inadequate,’” he added. “The people who are sending that message should feel that their life is inadequate. And of course they do. They’re just too ashamed about it to talk about it.”

    Ratliff recently pushed back on people criticizing Vance over other comments he’s made about women and families ― specifically, his claims in 2021 that “childless cat ladies” are “miserable” and have “no direct stake” in America’s future. Ratliff called Vance a “testament to the women in his life.”

    “JD was raised by some of the strongest women I know and went on to marry an incredibly strong woman,” she said in a statement to CNN on Saturday, referring to the candidate’s wife, Usha Vance. “The attacks from the media and Democrats that assume anything otherwise is vile.”

    You can watch Vance’s full interview with The Federalist here. His comments on “going to war” against the idea that women don’t have to have kids begin at the 35:40 time stamp.

    Vance’s insistence that women make babies doesn’t seem to extend to supporting women after they have children or to women struggling with infertility.

    The Ohio Republican has referred to the idea of universal child care as “class war against normal people,” and in June, he voted against the Right to IVF Act, a bill that would have ensured women have a federal right to access reproductive technologies such as in vitro fertilization.

    Vance’s previous attacks on child-free women have resurfaced in part because he’s now the GOP vice presidential nominee, but also because he lumped Vice President Kamala Harris in as one of the “childless cat ladies.” Harris has two stepchildren in her marriage with second gentleman Doug Emhoff.

    A Trump campaign spokesperson did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

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    All those who seek to destroy the liberties of a democratic nation ought to know that war is the surest and shortest means to accomplish it.
  • FiveBelowFiveBelow Posts: 1,288
    The insistence that there’s a democrat or left wing equivalent to trump or the maga movement isn’t based in reality. 
    Where is this insistence of an equivalent you speak of? It seems to me, this false equivalence is evoked by those who only prefer to direct their criticism outwardly. Again, it is possible to critique things independently.
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