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  • pjl44
    pjl44 Posts: 10,527
    josevolution said:
    brianlux said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    brianlux said:
    cincybearcat said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    The very stable genius now wants to stop taxation on social security payments.
    Ummm..  the shit is already going to run out soon, now you save the people a few bucks a year and leave them with nothing, sooner.
    Assholery.

    Ummm it’s assholery to not tax social security payments? Of all the things…

    Nothing like good old double taxation, right? 
    You agree with him that not taxing is a good idea?
    It won't make it much longer as is.  
    Short sighted change, imo

    I must been reading cross eyed (sort of joking... actually having some vision issues).  No, I'm NOT in favor of taxing Social Security.  If I'm not mistaken, that means that money gets taxed twice.  Yes?
    It’s weird to me that we work for like let’s say 30+ years in the books paying taxes like I did and when I’m ready to start collecting SS i I have to pay taxes on this $$ too? 
    I mean the taxes are the least of the problem for us. You better hope it's still there when you're up.
  • brianlux
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    F Me In The Brain said:
    brianlux said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    brianlux said:
    cincybearcat said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    The very stable genius now wants to stop taxation on social security payments.
    Ummm..  the shit is already going to run out soon, now you save the people a few bucks a year and leave them with nothing, sooner.
    Assholery.

    Ummm it’s assholery to not tax social security payments? Of all the things…

    Nothing like good old double taxation, right? 
    You agree with him that not taxing is a good idea?
    It won't make it much longer as is.  
    Short sighted change, imo

    I must been reading cross eyed (sort of joking... actually having some vision issues).  No, I'm NOT in favor of taxing Social Security.  If I'm not mistaken, that means that money gets taxed twice.  Yes?
    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/trump-social-security-income-tax-cut-here-is-the-impact-on-benefits/

    You found some common ground with Donnie.
    ;)

    However, if Johnny's point can be implemented it looks like we could continue to fund.  (If implemented, I'd certainly be fine with the idea Trump has.)

    Haha!  Men 'n my bud Donnie :lol:
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,834
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    Yes social security is taxed but there is a low income exclusion. I agree it shouldn’t be taxed but yeah that is a big budget impact. Of course Trump doesn’t say where to get the money. 
    Taxing social security should never have happened. Happened under Reagan who I actually think was a great president overall, but this was a terrible idea and straight up theft for the $ already taken away from people. 
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  • cincybearcat
    cincybearcat Posts: 16,834
    josevolution said:
    brianlux said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    brianlux said:
    cincybearcat said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    The very stable genius now wants to stop taxation on social security payments.
    Ummm..  the shit is already going to run out soon, now you save the people a few bucks a year and leave them with nothing, sooner.
    Assholery.

    Ummm it’s assholery to not tax social security payments? Of all the things…

    Nothing like good old double taxation, right? 
    You agree with him that not taxing is a good idea?
    It won't make it much longer as is.  
    Short sighted change, imo

    I must been reading cross eyed (sort of joking... actually having some vision issues).  No, I'm NOT in favor of taxing Social Security.  If I'm not mistaken, that means that money gets taxed twice.  Yes?
    It’s weird to me that we work for like let’s say 30+ years in the books paying taxes like I did and when I’m ready to start collecting SS i I have to pay taxes on this $$ too? 
    I agree.
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  • Johnny Abruzzo
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    cincybearcat said:
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    Yes social security is taxed but there is a low income exclusion. I agree it shouldn’t be taxed but yeah that is a big budget impact. Of course Trump doesn’t say where to get the money. 
    Taxing social security should never have happened. Happened under Reagan who I actually think was a great president overall, but this was a terrible idea and straight up theft for the $ already taken away from people. 
    Tell me 5 Reagan accomplishments. 
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  • brianlux
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    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    Yes social security is taxed but there is a low income exclusion. I agree it shouldn’t be taxed but yeah that is a big budget impact. Of course Trump doesn’t say where to get the money. 
    Taxing social security should never have happened. Happened under Reagan who I actually think was a great president overall, but this was a terrible idea and straight up theft for the $ already taken away from people. 
    Tell me 5 Reagan accomplishments. 

    1.  First person to have taught a chimp how to read.
    While he was filming Bedtime for Bonzo in 1951 Ronald Reagan was tasked with wrangling his chimpanzee co-star Peggy for a scene When he did so Peggy grabbed his necktie and started

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  • mickeyrat
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    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    Yes social security is taxed but there is a low income exclusion. I agree it shouldn’t be taxed but yeah that is a big budget impact. Of course Trump doesn’t say where to get the money. 
    Taxing social security should never have happened. Happened under Reagan who I actually think was a great president overall, but this was a terrible idea and straight up theft for the $ already taken away from people. 
    Tell me 5 Reagan accomplishments. 

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  • Halifax2TheMax
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    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    Yes social security is taxed but there is a low income exclusion. I agree it shouldn’t be taxed but yeah that is a big budget impact. Of course Trump doesn’t say where to get the money. 
    Taxing social security should never have happened. Happened under Reagan who I actually think was a great president overall, but this was a terrible idea and straight up theft for the $ already taken away from people. 
    Tell me 5 Reagan accomplishments. 
    2. Made ketchup a vegetable.
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  • F Me In The Brain
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    Forgot he was President?
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  • Poncier
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    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    Yes social security is taxed but there is a low income exclusion. I agree it shouldn’t be taxed but yeah that is a big budget impact. Of course Trump doesn’t say where to get the money. 
    He said the same thing about tipped workers at the RNC. No taxon tips.
    So, a waitress doesn't have to pay income tax but a teacher and a truck driver do. Makes perfect sense and sounds quite equitable.
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  • brianlux
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    Halifax2TheMax said:
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    cincybearcat said:
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    Yes social security is taxed but there is a low income exclusion. I agree it shouldn’t be taxed but yeah that is a big budget impact. Of course Trump doesn’t say where to get the money. 
    Taxing social security should never have happened. Happened under Reagan who I actually think was a great president overall, but this was a terrible idea and straight up theft for the $ already taken away from people. 
    Tell me 5 Reagan accomplishments. 
    2. Made ketchup a vegetable.

    Haha!  Ohhhhh, that's a good one!
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    -Roberto Benigni

  • josevolution
    josevolution Posts: 31,595
    He did pass the amnesty act which helped immigrants like myself! But his trickle down policies failed! 
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,178
    brianlux said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    brianlux said:
    cincybearcat said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    The very stable genius now wants to stop taxation on social security payments.
    Ummm..  the shit is already going to run out soon, now you save the people a few bucks a year and leave them with nothing, sooner.
    Assholery.

    Ummm it’s assholery to not tax social security payments? Of all the things…

    Nothing like good old double taxation, right? 
    You agree with him that not taxing is a good idea?
    It won't make it much longer as is.  
    Short sighted change, imo

    I must been reading cross eyed (sort of joking... actually having some vision issues).  No, I'm NOT in favor of taxing Social Security.  If I'm not mistaken, that means that money gets taxed twice.  Yes?
    Not really... Most seniors don't pay tax on it anyway. As income increases then some of it can be taxable but no more than 50% is taxable unless your income is high in retirement then you might pay tax on 85% of your benefit.



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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,178
    edited August 2024
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    Yes social security is taxed but there is a low income exclusion. I agree it shouldn’t be taxed but yeah that is a big budget impact. Of course Trump doesn’t say where to get the money. 
    The proposal sounds good but I guarantee that most seniors don't pay tax on it now.

    Seniors with only ss income aren't even required to file a tax return. Unless benefits are very high 
    Post edited by Gern Blansten on
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • Lerxst1992
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    Gern Blansten said:
    brianlux said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    brianlux said:
    cincybearcat said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    The very stable genius now wants to stop taxation on social security payments.
    Ummm..  the shit is already going to run out soon, now you save the people a few bucks a year and leave them with nothing, sooner.
    Assholery.

    Ummm it’s assholery to not tax social security payments? Of all the things…

    Nothing like good old double taxation, right? 
    You agree with him that not taxing is a good idea?
    It won't make it much longer as is.  
    Short sighted change, imo

    I must been reading cross eyed (sort of joking... actually having some vision issues).  No, I'm NOT in favor of taxing Social Security.  If I'm not mistaken, that means that money gets taxed twice.  Yes?
    Not really... Most seniors don't pay tax on it anyway. As income increases then some of it can be taxable but no more than 50% is taxable unless your income is high in retirement then you might pay tax on 85% of your benefit.




    per googling, income over $44k SS becomes 85% taxable. $44k annual income? That’s barely enough to afford PJ tickets in NY. Rent? No chance.
  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,360
    Plenty of seniors live on < 44k per year. It’s rough out there. 
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,178
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    brianlux said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    brianlux said:
    cincybearcat said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    The very stable genius now wants to stop taxation on social security payments.
    Ummm..  the shit is already going to run out soon, now you save the people a few bucks a year and leave them with nothing, sooner.
    Assholery.

    Ummm it’s assholery to not tax social security payments? Of all the things…

    Nothing like good old double taxation, right? 
    You agree with him that not taxing is a good idea?
    It won't make it much longer as is.  
    Short sighted change, imo

    I must been reading cross eyed (sort of joking... actually having some vision issues).  No, I'm NOT in favor of taxing Social Security.  If I'm not mistaken, that means that money gets taxed twice.  Yes?
    Not really... Most seniors don't pay tax on it anyway. As income increases then some of it can be taxable but no more than 50% is taxable unless your income is high in retirement then you might pay tax on 85% of your benefit.




    per googling, income over $44k SS becomes 85% taxable. $44k annual income? That’s barely enough to afford PJ tickets in NY. Rent? No chance.
    That's income other than ss. Most people would have moderate pension or Ira income and investment earnings. But yeah as your other non ss income increases you do pay tax on ss but it's a gradual inclusion 
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    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
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  • Gern Blansten
    Gern Blansten Mar-A-Lago Posts: 22,178
    edited August 2024
    SS benefits for people who were high earners is decent income. Not unusual to see $55k per year for some people. 
    Remember the Thomas Nine !! (10/02/2018)
    The Golden Age is 2 months away. And guess what….. you’re gonna love it! (teskeinc 11.19.24)

    1998: Noblesville; 2003: Noblesville; 2009: EV Nashville, Chicago, Chicago
    2010: St Louis, Columbus, Noblesville; 2011: EV Chicago, East Troy, East Troy
    2013: London ON, Wrigley; 2014: Cincy, St Louis, Moline (NO CODE)
    2016: Lexington, Wrigley #1; 2018: Wrigley, Wrigley, Boston, Boston
    2020: Oakland, Oakland:  2021: EV Ohana, Ohana, Ohana, Ohana
    2022: Oakland, Oakland, Nashville, Louisville; 2023: Chicago, Chicago, Noblesville
    2024: Noblesville, Wrigley, Wrigley, Ohana, Ohana; 2025: Pitt1, Pitt2
  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,809
    edited August 2024
    Lerxst1992 said:
    Gern Blansten said:
    brianlux said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    brianlux said:
    cincybearcat said:
    F Me In The Brain said:
    The very stable genius now wants to stop taxation on social security payments.
    Ummm..  the shit is already going to run out soon, now you save the people a few bucks a year and leave them with nothing, sooner.
    Assholery.

    Ummm it’s assholery to not tax social security payments? Of all the things…

    Nothing like good old double taxation, right? 
    You agree with him that not taxing is a good idea?
    It won't make it much longer as is.  
    Short sighted change, imo

    I must been reading cross eyed (sort of joking... actually having some vision issues).  No, I'm NOT in favor of taxing Social Security.  If I'm not mistaken, that means that money gets taxed twice.  Yes?
    Not really... Most seniors don't pay tax on it anyway. As income increases then some of it can be taxable but no more than 50% is taxable unless your income is high in retirement then you might pay tax on 85% of your benefit.




    per googling, income over $44k SS becomes 85% taxable. $44k annual income? That’s barely enough to afford PJ tickets in NY. Rent? No chance.



    I shut my anecedotal or Google informed opinion down and asked questions when Johnny shared this is an area he covers as part of his living.  I believe Gern is a CPA?
    Googling something doesn't give us full picture vs someone who has real world experience in topic being discussed.  

    I have argued positions that I have expert opinions on in this forum before, it is frustrating.  Persons arguing with me knew next to nothing beyond small, anecdotal experiences or shit they read online in 20 minutes.


    We can mostly agree we want Social Security to continue, beyond a talking point to try and trick at risk seniors to swing votes one way or the other

    Post edited by F Me In The Brain on
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  • F Me In The Brain
    F Me In The Brain this knows everybody from other commets Posts: 31,809
    Not a personal attack, apologies if it comes off that way.  Just something that bugged me when it happened.
    If you also work in this shit that would be funny.

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