Did you look at the clip? It is a CO local news station report.
I did, I watched it a couple times - what CO local news station reported it? I didn't see where it was referenced. I did see where the clerk explained how this is proof the system works (not that I needed that explanation, but you clearly do). Sure, 3 ballots slipped through, but I'm sure like myself, you've done your homework and you know 3 ballots is nothing. You SHOULD know that no volume of voter fraud large enough to influence a presidential election is in play now, nor has it ever been. It doesn't exist in the volume that you've been tricked into thinking it does. You're being played, which brings me to my next point:
Natalie Winters, the person whose tweet you referenced works for Steve Bannon... a man who went to jail for defrauding trump supporters.
Do better.
Wrong. When margins are less than 25k in certain states, fraud can certainly determine the outcome.
& yet it never has because it's never existed in a large enough volume to do so. The next time fraud determines a US presidential election will be the first time... it doesn't exist on the level you've been tricked into believing by a man who never stops lying.
Do some homework that doesn't involve listening to RW propaganda outlets like Steve Bannon's war room.
So the 2000 election was fraudulent?
I wish I was a sacrifice, but somehow still lived on.
Did you look at the clip? It is a CO local news station report.
I did, I watched it a couple times - what CO local news station reported it? I didn't see where it was referenced. I did see where the clerk explained how this is proof the system works (not that I needed that explanation, but you clearly do). Sure, 3 ballots slipped through, but I'm sure like myself, you've done your homework and you know 3 ballots is nothing. You SHOULD know that no volume of voter fraud large enough to influence a presidential election is in play now, nor has it ever been. It doesn't exist in the volume that you've been tricked into thinking it does. You're being played, which brings me to my next point:
Natalie Winters, the person whose tweet you referenced works for Steve Bannon... a man who went to jail for defrauding trump supporters.
Do better.
Wrong. When margins are less than 25k in certain states, fraud can certainly determine the outcome.
& yet it never has because it's never existed in a large enough volume to do so. The next time fraud determines a US presidential election will be the first time... it doesn't exist on the level you've been tricked into believing by a man who never stops lying.
Do some homework that doesn't involve listening to RW propaganda outlets like Steve Bannon's war room.
Thanks man. MAGA's are more than welcome to follow these instructions. Or they can choose to spread voter disinformation I suppose.
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Like goods being smuggled into our country, only a small percentage get caught.
there are ways to investigate voter fraud, though. and no one seems to be able to prove it. Just a whole bunch of red-clad idiots claiming they saw trucks filled with ballots, driving away to an undisclosed location, somehow all the ones that voted R. imagine that.
and when they have proven it, it's almost always REPUBLICANS. imagine that.
The way our system is now is why I have confidence in our election results. We have 50 states and each one has their own system of conducting the election. I believe if there was a single national process, there would be a larger possibility of corruption and cheating in a number large enough to alter the results. Just my thought. . I believe the results after Nov 5 will be as accurate as possible because we are not a garbage country. Happy voting.
Like goods being smuggled into our country, only a small percentage get caught.
Given all the Republicans that got caught, one would suspect there were many more...
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PORTLAND, Maine — The now-disbanded voting integrity commission launched by the Trump administration uncovered no evidence to support claims of widespread voter fraud, according to an analysis of administration documents released Friday.
In a letter to Vice President Mike Pence and Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, who are both Republicans and led the commission, Maine Secretary of State Matthew Dunlap said the documents show there was a “pre-ordained outcome” and that drafts of a commission report included a section on evidence of voter fraud that was “glaringly empty.”
“It’s calling into the darkness, looking for voter fraud,” Dunlap, a Democrat, told The Associated Press. “There’s no real evidence of it anywhere.”
Republican President Donald Trump convened the commission to investigate the 2016 presidential election after making unsubstantiated claims that between 3 million and 5 million ballots were illegally cast. Critics, including Dunlap, reject his claims of widespread voter fraud.
The Trump administration last month complied with a court order to turn over documents from the voting integrity commission to Dunlap. The commission met just twice and has not issued a report.
“There’s no real evidence of it anywhere.”
Dunlap’s findings received immediate pushback Friday from Kobach, who acted as vice-chair of the commission while Pence served as chair.
“For some people, no matter how many cases of voter fraud you show them, there will never be enough for them to admit that there’s a problem,” said Kobach, who is running for Kansas governor and has a good chance of unseating the incumbent, Jeff Colyer, in the Republican primary Tuesday.
“It appears that Secretary Dunlap is willfully blind to the voter fraud in front of his nose,” Kobach said in a statement released by his spokesman.
Kobach said there have been more than 1,000 convictions for voter fraud since 2000, and that the commission presented 8,400 instances of double voting in the 2016 election in 20 states.
“Had the commission done the same analysis of all 50 states, the number would have been exponentially higher,” Kobach said.
In response, Dunlap said those figures were never brought before the commission, and that Kobach hasn’t presented any evidence for his claims of double voting. He said the commission was presented with a report claiming over 1,000 convictions for various forms of voter misconduct since 1948.
Pence’s office did not immediately respond to a request for comment Friday.
Dunlap said he is unsure whether the administration has released all relevant documents, and said the matter is in litigation. He said he was repeatedly rebuffed when he sought access to commission records including meeting materials, witness invitations and correspondence.
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Republicans ramp up efforts to court Amish voters in Pennsylvania
Where mail-in ballots could matter most
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Oct 17th 2024|PARADISE, PENNSYLVANIA
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“That’s not a woman’s position,” a straw-hatted Amish man in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, says wistfully, referring to the presidency. “I’ve got [voter-registration] papers in my pocket right now.” He’s been taking part in a “mud sale”, an Amish charity auction, in a field near the community of Paradise. While the auctioneer shows off his impressive lung capacity, several Republican volunteers mingle among the crowd handing out voter-registration papers and Trump-Vance flags. “I did this four years ago,” one of them says, and “it’s even better now.”
Pennsylvania has 93,000 Amish people, double the number in 2000. Almost half live in Lancaster County. They could in theory help swing the critical state, which Joe Biden won by just over 80,000 votes in 2020. But the Amish, who famously eschew electricity and cars, don’t have much time for politics either. Typically, less than 10% vote. That said, it’s clear that the Amish worldview aligns neatly with traditional Republican beliefs in limited government and social conservatism, say Steve Nolt and Kyle Kopko, academics at Elizabethtown College. Of Amish folk who do register, more than 90% do so as Republicans.
Efforts to court them have increased. “Amish PAC”, founded in 2016, spent more than $300,000 on advertising in the past two presidential cycles. The scarcity of Trump billboards in the area points to a tactical shift to face-to-face canvassing, which Mr Kopko reckons has found greater success. Between 2016 and 2020 voter registration among the Amish in Lancaster County doubled to over 4,000, and among those registered turnout grew from 49% to 71%.
With Pennsylvania a toss-up, Republican operatives are busy. Scott Presler, a conservative activist, founded “Early Vote Action” in 2023 to encourage mail-in voting. “The Amish could very well save the United States,” he says. Mr Presler and his ilk have been turning up at Amish sawmills and farmers’ markets, pitching their message that Donald Trump stands for world peace and the freedom for the Amish to live as they choose. Their U-turn on mail-in voting, “something which the Democrats really pushed”, he gloats, will enable the Amish to vote in private, away from the prying eyes of any disapproving peers.
Even if the Amish taboo around voting has begun to fray, there is a snag. By tradition, Amish weddings happen on Tuesdays in autumn and involve hundreds of guests. Presidential elections, held on a Tuesday in November, may well be overshadowed. So early voting may not just be a smart tactic in turning out the Amish. It could be essential. ■
Juggler, I want to say on the outset here that I am not upset with you for posting this. I am upset at the topic and I will explain why.
The story posted here pains me to no end. I am half Amish and, of course, as you all must know, I despise Trump. My father was full-blooded Amish. He would have hated seeing these people supporting Trump. He too would have felt nothing but loathing for Trump. He was a Democrat and loved democracy. And he was a Carter fan. In fact, he and my mother spent a good part of one of their summers in retirement working with Habitat for Humanity.
Here's a little history regarding the Amish:
Amish people migrated from their homeland in an area that bordered Germany, Switzerland and France, and came to America in the early 18th century to avoid persecution. Because they strove to live a simple agrarian lifestyle, practice their faith, and live by their own communal lifestyle, they had little need or interest in something as foreign to them as national politics.
That the Amish are talked about at all in this context is extremely removed what what tradition Amish people are about. And that the name Donald Trump should be associated with these people at all illustrates how aggressively a certain poisonous influence in this country has seeped and spread into many lives.
I want to remind you good folks that as a whole, you are a group of people who are not in favor of racism, bigotry, and prejudice. Please remember that when you talk about the Amish. The media in general has been remiss in recognizing the difference between traditional Amish community and some of the more visible modern splinter groups of Amish people. You don't hear much about the traditional Amish people in the news because they shun the media and the broader American culture, and they do this as a way of self preservation. They are a quiet people who live simply and close to the land and have no interest in being assimilated.
So, please, before you jump to conclusions, make generalizations, and pass judgement about these people as a whole, perhaps consider there is much more to this picture that what our media paints.
Thank you.
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NEWS COVERAGE OH MY GOD KAMALA IS DOING THE NO 1 PODCAST CALL HER DADDY NEWS COVERAGE 680k views in 2 weeks on youtube
Trump on Rogan (which Kamala said no to, I thought I read?) 10 million in 10 hours on youtube
Theo Von with Trump (that Kamala also has not done but been invited to) 14 million views on youtube
I don't think bringing out Beyonce (or other celebrities) to an arena full of democratic voters matter as much. Even though Kamala is not the viewing-magnet as Trump, her on Rogan I imagine would be a must-see/listen for people. It would be the event of the campaign for her, outside of the debate with Trump. And it should have come our of nowhere before Trump's I believe, not now looking like a reaction (if it happens). Just like Trump out of nowhere being on Theo Von.
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"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
Like goods being smuggled into our country, only a small percentage get caught.
Wait, so you are saying there is massive voter fraud in this country? Are you trying to prove out the horseshoe theory?
Nope, all I am saying is that if one person is caught, then I think there is a decent probability that others may be doing the same. As a general rule, not specific to voter fraud.
The way our system is now is why I have confidence in our election results. We have 50 states and each one has their own system of conducting the election. I believe if there was a single national process, there would be a larger possibility of corruption and cheating in a number large enough to alter the results. Just my thought. . I believe the results after Nov 5 will be as accurate as possible because we are not a garbage country. Happy voting.
Sweden has a single national process (and so does many other democratic countries). I would be amazed if anyone would come to the conclusion that the possibility of corruption and cheating would be larger in Sweden because of that, than the US even with this amazing obstacle of 50 different systems.
Don't you also only have to skew the results a little in a few specific states because of this amazing system called "electoral collage"? And don't you have that heavily politicized and manipulated gerrymandering system for deciding voting districts? How is that not corruption already?
Take a look around. Could also be useful when deciding where on the "garbage country" scale a country is.
Happy voting (Don't vote Trump people).
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It’s a funny thing… One doesn’t have to limit their understanding of voter fraud to supposition or assumption; there are ample studies & investigations available for those inclined to learn more.
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So the 2000 election was fraudulent?
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and when they have proven it, it's almost always REPUBLICANS. imagine that.
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https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/report-trump-commission-did-not-find-widespread-voter-fraud
Report: Trump commission did not find widespread voter fraud
Politics Aug 3, 2018 5:14 PM EDTPORTLAND, Maine — The now-disbanded voting integrity commission launched by the Trump administration uncovered no evidence to support claims of widespread voter fraud, according to an analysis of administration documents released Friday.
In a letter to Vice President Mike Pence and Kansas Secretary of State Kris Kobach, who are both Republicans and led the commission, Maine Secretary of State Matthew Dunlap said the documents show there was a “pre-ordained outcome” and that drafts of a commission report included a section on evidence of voter fraud that was “glaringly empty.”
“It’s calling into the darkness, looking for voter fraud,” Dunlap, a Democrat, told The Associated Press. “There’s no real evidence of it anywhere.”
Republican President Donald Trump convened the commission to investigate the 2016 presidential election after making unsubstantiated claims that between 3 million and 5 million ballots were illegally cast. Critics, including Dunlap, reject his claims of widespread voter fraud.
The Trump administration last month complied with a court order to turn over documents from the voting integrity commission to Dunlap. The commission met just twice and has not issued a report.
Dunlap’s findings received immediate pushback Friday from Kobach, who acted as vice-chair of the commission while Pence served as chair.
“For some people, no matter how many cases of voter fraud you show them, there will never be enough for them to admit that there’s a problem,” said Kobach, who is running for Kansas governor and has a good chance of unseating the incumbent, Jeff Colyer, in the Republican primary Tuesday.
“It appears that Secretary Dunlap is willfully blind to the voter fraud in front of his nose,” Kobach said in a statement released by his spokesman.
Kobach said there have been more than 1,000 convictions for voter fraud since 2000, and that the commission presented 8,400 instances of double voting in the 2016 election in 20 states.
“Had the commission done the same analysis of all 50 states, the number would have been exponentially higher,” Kobach said.
In response, Dunlap said those figures were never brought before the commission, and that Kobach hasn’t presented any evidence for his claims of double voting. He said the commission was presented with a report claiming over 1,000 convictions for various forms of voter misconduct since 1948.
Pence’s office did not immediately respond to a request for comment Friday.
Dunlap said he is unsure whether the administration has released all relevant documents, and said the matter is in litigation. He said he was repeatedly rebuffed when he sought access to commission records including meeting materials, witness invitations and correspondence.
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680k views in 2 weeks on youtube
Trump on Rogan (which Kamala said no to, I thought I read?)
10 million in 10 hours on youtube
Theo Von with Trump (that Kamala also has not done but been invited to)
14 million views on youtube
I don't think bringing out Beyonce (or other celebrities) to an arena full of democratic voters matter as much. Even though Kamala is not the viewing-magnet as Trump, her on Rogan I imagine would be a must-see/listen for people. It would be the event of the campaign for her, outside of the debate with Trump. And it should have come our of nowhere before Trump's I believe, not now looking like a reaction (if it happens). Just like Trump out of nowhere being on Theo Von.
Nope, all I am saying is that if one person is caught, then I think there is a decent probability that others may be doing the same. As a general rule, not specific to voter fraud.
Sweden has a single national process (and so does many other democratic countries). I would be amazed if anyone would come to the conclusion that the possibility of corruption and cheating would be larger in Sweden because of that, than the US even with this amazing obstacle of 50 different systems.
Don't you also only have to skew the results a little in a few specific states because of this amazing system called "electoral collage"? And don't you have that heavily politicized and manipulated gerrymandering system for deciding voting districts? How is that not corruption already?
Take a look around. Could also be useful when deciding where on the "garbage country" scale a country is.
Happy voting (Don't vote Trump people).
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People are not discussing on the same terms in here? Mods have special privileges to discuss and post, but never to be challenged ?
Disappointed in your view regarding that Mickey.
Unreal.
He is worse than Biden in this podcast.
Where are our friendly magas on this??
This is his central theme and he provided zero examples
because no maga is flooding this forum or my social media feed with it. nothing. crickets.
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