I mean, I think we are probably at least 2-3 months away from any rumors
They aren't even hitting the road for 10 weeks or so for the last announced tour
The only other thing we've gotten is a "rumor" for is the Sphere sometime which we know will be at least August at the earliest due to other Sphere shows
So even if there is a small North America leg for the fall or around the Sphere, those rumors probably wont even leak until late spring or early summer
Europe is completely out for 2025 and South America in all likelihood would have been announced by now
We know they've begun writing/recording.
If we go 2020, 2024, 2026 with album release dates, that'd be a frequency not seen since Binaural through Avocado with three albums in six years.
Avocado through Lightning Bolt was three albums (plus a lot of PJ20 and side project stuff) in eight years.
The time period from 2018-2023 really fucked the band (and all of us) over. Here's what it MIGHT MAYBE have looked like: 2018: South America, Europe, Album Release...tour USA? 2019: Tour the 2018 album. 2020: Tour the 2018 album. 2021: Break? Writing/recording? 2022: Tour 2021/2022 album?
Instead, we ended up having 26 tour dates (27 planned) from the beginning of South America 2018 up until Sea Hear Now in 2021.
We basically had 6.5 shows per year...or about one every other month from 2018-2022.
You remember why there were no shows in 2020 and most of 2021, right?
Indeed I do.
I'm saying if the 2018 album was released AND COVID never happened, things would have looked a lot different when it came to album releases and touring plans.
Instead, the reset button was pressed HARD on that album. It obviously didn't happen and 2019 was a year off which turned into 2020 and most of 2021 off.
Some time during 2018, they said "fuck it", axed the 2018 album and whatever they had begun to pre-plan for 2019, if they had anything at all other than a "we gotta be out on tour" mindset.
Go back to Eddie's comments at Fenway 2018 about not planning to do much touring over 2019. Gigaton was NOT delayed. It's probably much more fair to think of the 2018 album as something vastly different. Gigaton was probably written/recorded over the end of 2018 and into 2019. Whatever the hell was planned to be released in 2018...there's gotta be a good collection of lost dogs there.
If you take the shows from 2018 and averaged them out over 2019, 2020 and 2021, it basically turned into the equivalent of one show every other month.
(Yeah, I get a little rambling there with that 2018 stuff only because I like to play the "alternate universe" game at times.)
I don’t think the 2018 album was scrapped? Only some songs like Can’t Deny me? Understand some of the songs recorded in 2017-18 were used for Gigaton
Mike’s comments in the Gigaton announcement about a “long & difficult process” would strongly imply that it used or repurposed at least some of the 2018 forthcoming album material. I don’t think there’s a finished album scrapped in the can somewhere, I think it evolved into Gigaton
Retrograde was part of the 2018 potential album.
Quick Escape and River Cross are another 2 that were part of the original sessions I believe. As of course was Can't Deny Me. But there was a bunch of other material recorded in those sessions that has never seen the light of day. Some of it reportedly is very very good.
I mean, I think we are probably at least 2-3 months away from any rumors
They aren't even hitting the road for 10 weeks or so for the last announced tour
The only other thing we've gotten is a "rumor" for is the Sphere sometime which we know will be at least August at the earliest due to other Sphere shows
So even if there is a small North America leg for the fall or around the Sphere, those rumors probably wont even leak until late spring or early summer
Europe is completely out for 2025 and South America in all likelihood would have been announced by now
We know they've begun writing/recording.
If we go 2020, 2024, 2026 with album release dates, that'd be a frequency not seen since Binaural through Avocado with three albums in six years.
Avocado through Lightning Bolt was three albums (plus a lot of PJ20 and side project stuff) in eight years.
The time period from 2018-2023 really fucked the band (and all of us) over. Here's what it MIGHT MAYBE have looked like: 2018: South America, Europe, Album Release...tour USA? 2019: Tour the 2018 album. 2020: Tour the 2018 album. 2021: Break? Writing/recording? 2022: Tour 2021/2022 album?
Instead, we ended up having 26 tour dates (27 planned) from the beginning of South America 2018 up until Sea Hear Now in 2021.
We basically had 6.5 shows per year...or about one every other month from 2018-2022.
You remember why there were no shows in 2020 and most of 2021, right?
Indeed I do.
I'm saying if the 2018 album was released AND COVID never happened, things would have looked a lot different when it came to album releases and touring plans.
Instead, the reset button was pressed HARD on that album. It obviously didn't happen and 2019 was a year off which turned into 2020 and most of 2021 off.
Some time during 2018, they said "fuck it", axed the 2018 album and whatever they had begun to pre-plan for 2019, if they had anything at all other than a "we gotta be out on tour" mindset.
Go back to Eddie's comments at Fenway 2018 about not planning to do much touring over 2019. Gigaton was NOT delayed. It's probably much more fair to think of the 2018 album as something vastly different. Gigaton was probably written/recorded over the end of 2018 and into 2019. Whatever the hell was planned to be released in 2018...there's gotta be a good collection of lost dogs there.
If you take the shows from 2018 and averaged them out over 2019, 2020 and 2021, it basically turned into the equivalent of one show every other month.
(Yeah, I get a little rambling there with that 2018 stuff only because I like to play the "alternate universe" game at times.)
I don’t think the 2018 album was scrapped? Only some songs like Can’t Deny me? Understand some of the songs recorded in 2017-18 were used for Gigaton
Mike’s comments in the Gigaton announcement about a “long & difficult process” would strongly imply that it used or repurposed at least some of the 2018 forthcoming album material. I don’t think there’s a finished album scrapped in the can somewhere, I think it evolved into Gigaton
Retrograde was part of the 2018 potential album.
Quick Escape and River Cross are another 2 that were part of the original sessions I believe. As of course was Can't Deny Me. But there was a bunch of other material recorded in those sessions that has never seen the light of day. Some of it reportedly is very very good.
I mean, I think we are probably at least 2-3 months away from any rumors
They aren't even hitting the road for 10 weeks or so for the last announced tour
The only other thing we've gotten is a "rumor" for is the Sphere sometime which we know will be at least August at the earliest due to other Sphere shows
So even if there is a small North America leg for the fall or around the Sphere, those rumors probably wont even leak until late spring or early summer
Europe is completely out for 2025 and South America in all likelihood would have been announced by now
We know they've begun writing/recording.
If we go 2020, 2024, 2026 with album release dates, that'd be a frequency not seen since Binaural through Avocado with three albums in six years.
Avocado through Lightning Bolt was three albums (plus a lot of PJ20 and side project stuff) in eight years.
The time period from 2018-2023 really fucked the band (and all of us) over. Here's what it MIGHT MAYBE have looked like: 2018: South America, Europe, Album Release...tour USA? 2019: Tour the 2018 album. 2020: Tour the 2018 album. 2021: Break? Writing/recording? 2022: Tour 2021/2022 album?
Instead, we ended up having 26 tour dates (27 planned) from the beginning of South America 2018 up until Sea Hear Now in 2021.
We basically had 6.5 shows per year...or about one every other month from 2018-2022.
You remember why there were no shows in 2020 and most of 2021, right?
Indeed I do.
I'm saying if the 2018 album was released AND COVID never happened, things would have looked a lot different when it came to album releases and touring plans.
Instead, the reset button was pressed HARD on that album. It obviously didn't happen and 2019 was a year off which turned into 2020 and most of 2021 off.
Some time during 2018, they said "fuck it", axed the 2018 album and whatever they had begun to pre-plan for 2019, if they had anything at all other than a "we gotta be out on tour" mindset.
Go back to Eddie's comments at Fenway 2018 about not planning to do much touring over 2019. Gigaton was NOT delayed. It's probably much more fair to think of the 2018 album as something vastly different. Gigaton was probably written/recorded over the end of 2018 and into 2019. Whatever the hell was planned to be released in 2018...there's gotta be a good collection of lost dogs there.
If you take the shows from 2018 and averaged them out over 2019, 2020 and 2021, it basically turned into the equivalent of one show every other month.
(Yeah, I get a little rambling there with that 2018 stuff only because I like to play the "alternate universe" game at times.)
I don’t think the 2018 album was scrapped? Only some songs like Can’t Deny me? Understand some of the songs recorded in 2017-18 were used for Gigaton
Mike’s comments in the Gigaton announcement about a “long & difficult process” would strongly imply that it used or repurposed at least some of the 2018 forthcoming album material. I don’t think there’s a finished album scrapped in the can somewhere, I think it evolved into Gigaton
Retrograde was part of the 2018 potential album.
Quick Escape and River Cross are another 2 that were part of the original sessions I believe. As of course was Can't Deny Me. But there was a bunch of other material recorded in those sessions that has never seen the light of day. Some of it reportedly is very very good.
Get it Back was from that time as well.
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I mean, I think we are probably at least 2-3 months away from any rumors
They aren't even hitting the road for 10 weeks or so for the last announced tour
The only other thing we've gotten is a "rumor" for is the Sphere sometime which we know will be at least August at the earliest due to other Sphere shows
So even if there is a small North America leg for the fall or around the Sphere, those rumors probably wont even leak until late spring or early summer
Europe is completely out for 2025 and South America in all likelihood would have been announced by now
We know they've begun writing/recording.
If we go 2020, 2024, 2026 with album release dates, that'd be a frequency not seen since Binaural through Avocado with three albums in six years.
Avocado through Lightning Bolt was three albums (plus a lot of PJ20 and side project stuff) in eight years.
The time period from 2018-2023 really fucked the band (and all of us) over. Here's what it MIGHT MAYBE have looked like: 2018: South America, Europe, Album Release...tour USA? 2019: Tour the 2018 album. 2020: Tour the 2018 album. 2021: Break? Writing/recording? 2022: Tour 2021/2022 album?
Instead, we ended up having 26 tour dates (27 planned) from the beginning of South America 2018 up until Sea Hear Now in 2021.
We basically had 6.5 shows per year...or about one every other month from 2018-2022.
You remember why there were no shows in 2020 and most of 2021, right?
Indeed I do.
I'm saying if the 2018 album was released AND COVID never happened, things would have looked a lot different when it came to album releases and touring plans.
Instead, the reset button was pressed HARD on that album. It obviously didn't happen and 2019 was a year off which turned into 2020 and most of 2021 off.
Some time during 2018, they said "fuck it", axed the 2018 album and whatever they had begun to pre-plan for 2019, if they had anything at all other than a "we gotta be out on tour" mindset.
Go back to Eddie's comments at Fenway 2018 about not planning to do much touring over 2019. Gigaton was NOT delayed. It's probably much more fair to think of the 2018 album as something vastly different. Gigaton was probably written/recorded over the end of 2018 and into 2019. Whatever the hell was planned to be released in 2018...there's gotta be a good collection of lost dogs there.
If you take the shows from 2018 and averaged them out over 2019, 2020 and 2021, it basically turned into the equivalent of one show every other month.
(Yeah, I get a little rambling there with that 2018 stuff only because I like to play the "alternate universe" game at times.)
I don’t think the 2018 album was scrapped? Only some songs like Can’t Deny me? Understand some of the songs recorded in 2017-18 were used for Gigaton
Mike’s comments in the Gigaton announcement about a “long & difficult process” would strongly imply that it used or repurposed at least some of the 2018 forthcoming album material. I don’t think there’s a finished album scrapped in the can somewhere, I think it evolved into Gigaton
Retrograde was part of the 2018 potential album.
Quick Escape and River Cross are another 2 that were part of the original sessions I believe. As of course was Can't Deny Me. But there was a bunch of other material recorded in those sessions that has never seen the light of day. Some of it reportedly is very very good.
Get it Back was from that time as well.
Think that might have been from the gigaton sessions rather than the aborted BoB 2018 project. Could be wrong tho. Damn good song either way!
I mean, I think we are probably at least 2-3 months away from any rumors
They aren't even hitting the road for 10 weeks or so for the last announced tour
The only other thing we've gotten is a "rumor" for is the Sphere sometime which we know will be at least August at the earliest due to other Sphere shows
So even if there is a small North America leg for the fall or around the Sphere, those rumors probably wont even leak until late spring or early summer
Europe is completely out for 2025 and South America in all likelihood would have been announced by now
We know they've begun writing/recording.
If we go 2020, 2024, 2026 with album release dates, that'd be a frequency not seen since Binaural through Avocado with three albums in six years.
Avocado through Lightning Bolt was three albums (plus a lot of PJ20 and side project stuff) in eight years.
The time period from 2018-2023 really fucked the band (and all of us) over. Here's what it MIGHT MAYBE have looked like: 2018: South America, Europe, Album Release...tour USA? 2019: Tour the 2018 album. 2020: Tour the 2018 album. 2021: Break? Writing/recording? 2022: Tour 2021/2022 album?
Instead, we ended up having 26 tour dates (27 planned) from the beginning of South America 2018 up until Sea Hear Now in 2021.
We basically had 6.5 shows per year...or about one every other month from 2018-2022.
You remember why there were no shows in 2020 and most of 2021, right?
Indeed I do.
I'm saying if the 2018 album was released AND COVID never happened, things would have looked a lot different when it came to album releases and touring plans.
Instead, the reset button was pressed HARD on that album. It obviously didn't happen and 2019 was a year off which turned into 2020 and most of 2021 off.
Some time during 2018, they said "fuck it", axed the 2018 album and whatever they had begun to pre-plan for 2019, if they had anything at all other than a "we gotta be out on tour" mindset.
Go back to Eddie's comments at Fenway 2018 about not planning to do much touring over 2019. Gigaton was NOT delayed. It's probably much more fair to think of the 2018 album as something vastly different. Gigaton was probably written/recorded over the end of 2018 and into 2019. Whatever the hell was planned to be released in 2018...there's gotta be a good collection of lost dogs there.
If you take the shows from 2018 and averaged them out over 2019, 2020 and 2021, it basically turned into the equivalent of one show every other month.
(Yeah, I get a little rambling there with that 2018 stuff only because I like to play the "alternate universe" game at times.)
I don’t think the 2018 album was scrapped? Only some songs like Can’t Deny me? Understand some of the songs recorded in 2017-18 were used for Gigaton
Mike’s comments in the Gigaton announcement about a “long & difficult process” would strongly imply that it used or repurposed at least some of the 2018 forthcoming album material. I don’t think there’s a finished album scrapped in the can somewhere, I think it evolved into Gigaton
Retrograde was part of the 2018 potential album.
Quick Escape and River Cross are another 2 that were part of the original sessions I believe. As of course was Can't Deny Me. But there was a bunch of other material recorded in those sessions that has never seen the light of day. Some of it reportedly is very very good.
Get it Back was from that time as well.
Think that might have been from the gigaton sessions rather than the aborted BoB 2018 project. Could be wrong tho. Damn good song either way!
Good call, just looked it up and Josh Evan’s has a credit on it.
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Teamed up with the right artist, a Sphere show would be really cool. Imagine fully immersive evolution video! The guys have never shied away from being at the edge of new technology / experiences for the fans so I think that would be on brand for them and a great show. I don't personally enjoy Vegas and likely wouldn't go.
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And since there's no derailing this thread (already derailed), what was the deal with Olé? I'm sure there's a whole thread somewhere, but if someone could give an abbreviated version I would appreciate it. That song was always a wtf for me.
I would take any arena or stadium within an 8 hour flight over the Sphere.
Same. Would be an easy pass for me… if I’m going all the way there, I’m going for a band that makes sense to play there. Those graphics are not sphere ready. Unless they look worse because they’ve been condensed on a smaller screen for the tours. Could list 50 bands I’d think make sense for the Sphere over PJ.
I would actually prefer to watch a recorded PJ concert at the Sphere, optimized for the screens. It’s not a great live venue imho.
Different strokes for different folks. The GA experience I had for U2 was fantastic. One of the best reasons was even though I was at the front there weren’t amps and speakers firing right at you. The sound was crystal clear and superb without the loudness.
And since there's no derailing this thread (already derailed), what was the deal with Olé? I'm sure there's a whole thread somewhere, but if someone could give an abbreviated version I would appreciate it. That song was always a wtf for me.
Not sure why/what they were in the studio for but it was released as a precursor to a tour I think?? Perhaps a South American tour?
The 2013 SiriusXM Town Hall Lightning Bolt release popped up on my app yesterday, so I re-listened to it. One of the questions from the audience was "Where do you see yourselves in 10 years?". Stone jumped in with "Not doing a Las Vegas residency". I bet 12-13 years after he'll be fine with it
The $2+ Billion Sphere will eventually convince many big acts to do residencies to recoup the costs, whether the actual band members want to do it or not.
And since there's no derailing this thread (already derailed), what was the deal with Olé? I'm sure there's a whole thread somewhere, but if someone could give an abbreviated version I would appreciate it. That song was always a wtf for me.
Not sure why/what they were in the studio for but it was released as a precursor to a tour I think?? Perhaps a South American tour?
it was released just prior to the 2011 Canadian tour, and then they went to SA after that. Played a bunch of times on both legs.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
And since there's no derailing this thread (already derailed), what was the deal with Olé? I'm sure there's a whole thread somewhere, but if someone could give an abbreviated version I would appreciate it. That song was always a wtf for me.
Not sure why/what they were in the studio for but it was released as a precursor to a tour I think?? Perhaps a South American tour?
it was released just prior to the 2011 Canadian tour, and then they went to SA after that. Played a bunch of times on both legs.
Good note - as in 2011, didn’t they “try to get another record out quick” after Backspacer. First Lightning Bolt sessions were in 2011. Then reconvened in 2013
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And since there's no derailing this thread (already derailed), what was the deal with Olé? I'm sure there's a whole thread somewhere, but if someone could give an abbreviated version I would appreciate it. That song was always a wtf for me.
Not sure why/what they were in the studio for but it was released as a precursor to a tour I think?? Perhaps a South American tour?
it was released just prior to the 2011 Canadian tour, and then they went to SA after that. Played a bunch of times on both legs.
Good note - as in 2011, didn’t they “try to get another record out quick” after Backspacer. First Lightning Bolt sessions were in 2011. Then reconvened in 2013
Mike mentioned something about putting out an EP of stuff that got left off BS I think.
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
And since there's no derailing this thread (already derailed), what was the deal with Olé? I'm sure there's a whole thread somewhere, but if someone could give an abbreviated version I would appreciate it. That song was always a wtf for me.
Not sure why/what they were in the studio for but it was released as a precursor to a tour I think?? Perhaps a South American tour?
it was released just prior to the 2011 Canadian tour, and then they went to SA after that. Played a bunch of times on both legs.
Good note - as in 2011, didn’t they “try to get another record out quick” after Backspacer. First Lightning Bolt sessions were in 2011. Then reconvened in 2013
Mike mentioned something about putting out an EP of stuff that got left off BS I think.
Yes! I think I read they had like 25 songs recorded for Avocado, and then got it down to 13. 2x4, Cold Confession, and Let it Ride being 3 of them.
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I would take any arena or stadium within an 8 hour flight over the Sphere.
Same. Would be an easy pass for me… if I’m going all the way there, I’m going for a band that makes sense to play there. Those graphics are not sphere ready. Unless they look worse because they’ve been condensed on a smaller screen for the tours. Could list 50 bands I’d think make sense for the Sphere over PJ.
I would actually prefer to watch a recorded PJ concert at the Sphere, optimized for the screens. It’s not a great live venue imho.
Different strokes for different folks. The GA experience I had for U2 was fantastic. One of the best reasons was even though I was at the front there were amps and speakers firing right at you. The sound was crystal clear and superb without the loudness.
totally agree with you!!! i did GA for U2 also. Was one of the best LIVE concert experiences ive been to. I'd love to see every band that i like give it a crack. Some might hit, some might miss.. But it would be unforgettable either way.
I would take any arena or stadium within an 8 hour flight over the Sphere.
Same. Would be an easy pass for me… if I’m going all the way there, I’m going for a band that makes sense to play there. Those graphics are not sphere ready. Unless they look worse because they’ve been condensed on a smaller screen for the tours. Could list 50 bands I’d think make sense for the Sphere over PJ.
I would actually prefer to watch a recorded PJ concert at the Sphere, optimized for the screens. It’s not a great live venue imho.
I complete disagree. The sphere had the best acoustics/sound I've ever hard at a concert. It sounded amazing in there. People thing about the visual, but that place is built for sound. Most big concerts in North America are at Arena's and Stadiums and music events are the secondary function. If the Sphere wasn't so far away, I'd see shows at the sphere over any Arena/Stadium shows. There are some bars/theatre's and the Gorge that I like better, but only one of those is of comparable size.
I would take any arena or stadium within an 8 hour flight over the Sphere.
Same. Would be an easy pass for me… if I’m going all the way there, I’m going for a band that makes sense to play there. Those graphics are not sphere ready. Unless they look worse because they’ve been condensed on a smaller screen for the tours. Could list 50 bands I’d think make sense for the Sphere over PJ.
I would actually prefer to watch a recorded PJ concert at the Sphere, optimized for the screens. It’s not a great live venue imho.
I complete disagree. The sphere had the best acoustics/sound I've ever hard at a concert. It sounded amazing in there. People thing about the visual, but that place is built for sound. Most big concerts in North America are at Arena's and Stadiums and music events are the secondary function. If the Sphere wasn't so far away, I'd see shows at the sphere over any Arena/Stadium shows. There are some bars/theatre's and the Gorge that I like better, but only one of those is of comparable size.
100% That Holoplot system is incredible -- thousands of modules, completely steerable and independent rigs -- every speaker in the cab has its own amp. It is absolutely the cutting edge of live music. It puzzles me why people think the band, who are music nerds at heart, wouldn't want to experience that for themselves and the fans. I remember when Binaural came out and a lot of PJ fans were upset that the band had worked with Tchad Blake to use that technology...some people just don't like the experimentation I guess.
I know some people in the industry, including friends of mine, lament the environmental impact of it -- the power consumption needed to feed the system is substantial. And I think some may just not like the Vegas-ness of it all -- and I totally get that, Vegas isn't really my vibe either. But it really is an impressive innovation and I hope we get to experience our favorite band in that environment at least once.
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I would take any arena or stadium within an 8 hour flight over the Sphere.
Same. Would be an easy pass for me… if I’m going all the way there, I’m going for a band that makes sense to play there. Those graphics are not sphere ready. Unless they look worse because they’ve been condensed on a smaller screen for the tours. Could list 50 bands I’d think make sense for the Sphere over PJ.
I would actually prefer to watch a recorded PJ concert at the Sphere, optimized for the screens. It’s not a great live venue imho.
I complete disagree. The sphere had the best acoustics/sound I've ever hard at a concert. It sounded amazing in there. People thing about the visual, but that place is built for sound. Most big concerts in North America are at Arena's and Stadiums and music events are the secondary function. If the Sphere wasn't so far away, I'd see shows at the sphere over any Arena/Stadium shows. There are some bars/theatre's and the Gorge that I like better, but only one of those is of comparable size.
100% That Holoplot system is incredible -- thousands of modules, completely steerable and independent rigs -- every speaker in the cab has its own amp. It is absolutely the cutting edge of live music. It puzzles me why people think the band, who are music nerds at heart, wouldn't want to experience that for themselves and the fans. I remember when Binaural came out and a lot of PJ fans were upset that the band had worked with Tchad Blake to use that technology...some people just don't like the experimentation I guess.
I know some people in the industry, including friends of mine, lament the environmental impact of it -- the power consumption needed to feed the system is substantial. And I think some may just not like the Vegas-ness of it all -- and I totally get that, Vegas isn't really my vibe either. But it really is an impressive innovation and I hope we get to experience our favorite band in that environment at least once.
I think most people associate the Sphere with the visual element more than the audio element, so that can drive who they think would be a fit to play it. We (myself included) are learning a lot more about the latter.
This is also a band that has had a punk ethos streak that extends to the fan base. While admirable in some ways it also tends toward grouchiness, rule-following, and minimalism. It's a contingent that will reflexively bristle when presented with something like the Sphere.
I would take any arena or stadium within an 8 hour flight over the Sphere.
Same. Would be an easy pass for me… if I’m going all the way there, I’m going for a band that makes sense to play there. Those graphics are not sphere ready. Unless they look worse because they’ve been condensed on a smaller screen for the tours. Could list 50 bands I’d think make sense for the Sphere over PJ.
I would actually prefer to watch a recorded PJ concert at the Sphere, optimized for the screens. It’s not a great live venue imho.
I complete disagree. The sphere had the best acoustics/sound I've ever hard at a concert. It sounded amazing in there. People thing about the visual, but that place is built for sound. Most big concerts in North America are at Arena's and Stadiums and music events are the secondary function. If the Sphere wasn't so far away, I'd see shows at the sphere over any Arena/Stadium shows. There are some bars/theatre's and the Gorge that I like better, but only one of those is of comparable size.
100% That Holoplot system is incredible -- thousands of modules, completely steerable and independent rigs -- every speaker in the cab has its own amp. It is absolutely the cutting edge of live music. It puzzles me why people think the band, who are music nerds at heart, wouldn't want to experience that for themselves and the fans. I remember when Binaural came out and a lot of PJ fans were upset that the band had worked with Tchad Blake to use that technology...some people just don't like the experimentation I guess.
I know some people in the industry, including friends of mine, lament the environmental impact of it -- the power consumption needed to feed the system is substantial. And I think some may just not like the Vegas-ness of it all -- and I totally get that, Vegas isn't really my vibe either. But it really is an impressive innovation and I hope we get to experience our favorite band in that environment at least once.
Ah, I think the power consumption answers a question I have. I went to the First and Last U2 shows, amazing audio. Then last NOV I went to Vegas for F1 and saw the V-U2 "Immersive Concert Film", audio was terrible. They place a row of speaker stacks across the floor of where the stage would have been, and the audio seemed to just come from there instead of the 160,000 speakers in the ceiling. Wondered why they did that.
I would take any arena or stadium within an 8 hour flight over the Sphere.
Same. Would be an easy pass for me… if I’m going all the way there, I’m going for a band that makes sense to play there. Those graphics are not sphere ready. Unless they look worse because they’ve been condensed on a smaller screen for the tours. Could list 50 bands I’d think make sense for the Sphere over PJ.
I would actually prefer to watch a recorded PJ concert at the Sphere, optimized for the screens. It’s not a great live venue imho.
I complete disagree. The sphere had the best acoustics/sound I've ever hard at a concert. It sounded amazing in there. People thing about the visual, but that place is built for sound. Most big concerts in North America are at Arena's and Stadiums and music events are the secondary function. If the Sphere wasn't so far away, I'd see shows at the sphere over any Arena/Stadium shows. There are some bars/theatre's and the Gorge that I like better, but only one of those is of comparable size.
100% That Holoplot system is incredible -- thousands of modules, completely steerable and independent rigs -- every speaker in the cab has its own amp. It is absolutely the cutting edge of live music. It puzzles me why people think the band, who are music nerds at heart, wouldn't want to experience that for themselves and the fans. I remember when Binaural came out and a lot of PJ fans were upset that the band had worked with Tchad Blake to use that technology...some people just don't like the experimentation I guess.
I know some people in the industry, including friends of mine, lament the environmental impact of it -- the power consumption needed to feed the system is substantial. And I think some may just not like the Vegas-ness of it all -- and I totally get that, Vegas isn't really my vibe either. But it really is an impressive innovation and I hope we get to experience our favorite band in that environment at least once.
Hopefully one good thing about this white elephant is local venues will spend to upgrade their sound systems, but…
It’s a carbon footprint disaster. It’s one thing for bands that have a huge following and decided they are about done touring, like new dead and the eagles. But for bands still touring, and this one that has challenges matching itinerary with routing with customer desire for shows, with visuals that are labor intensive and only usable at one location in the world, expecting fans to hop on a plane to a low population center, for a facility losing half a billion dollars a year, huge power consumption, all nutrition and hydration needing to be trucked into a dessert. Maybe it’s time they just say the whole liberal thing is just a fad and schedule the darn shows already!
I think the issue with this these days is that the tracks that didn't make a release were probably never actually finished as polished tracks like they were in the 90's when created for B sides etc, so most will remain demo's or recording studio cuts that were discarded when it was decided they wouldn't make the record. So in terms of releasable music that can be thrown together to create the b sides release version 2 there probably isnt a great deal of material in the finished format to throw out there.
I would take any arena or stadium within an 8 hour flight over the Sphere.
Same. Would be an easy pass for me… if I’m going all the way there, I’m going for a band that makes sense to play there. Those graphics are not sphere ready. Unless they look worse because they’ve been condensed on a smaller screen for the tours. Could list 50 bands I’d think make sense for the Sphere over PJ.
I would actually prefer to watch a recorded PJ concert at the Sphere, optimized for the screens. It’s not a great live venue imho.
I complete disagree. The sphere had the best acoustics/sound I've ever hard at a concert. It sounded amazing in there. People thing about the visual, but that place is built for sound. Most big concerts in North America are at Arena's and Stadiums and music events are the secondary function. If the Sphere wasn't so far away, I'd see shows at the sphere over any Arena/Stadium shows. There are some bars/theatre's and the Gorge that I like better, but only one of those is of comparable size.
100% That Holoplot system is incredible -- thousands of modules, completely steerable and independent rigs -- every speaker in the cab has its own amp. It is absolutely the cutting edge of live music. It puzzles me why people think the band, who are music nerds at heart, wouldn't want to experience that for themselves and the fans. I remember when Binaural came out and a lot of PJ fans were upset that the band had worked with Tchad Blake to use that technology...some people just don't like the experimentation I guess.
I know some people in the industry, including friends of mine, lament the environmental impact of it -- the power consumption needed to feed the system is substantial. And I think some may just not like the Vegas-ness of it all -- and I totally get that, Vegas isn't really my vibe either. But it really is an impressive innovation and I hope we get to experience our favorite band in that environment at least once.
I think most people associate the Sphere with the visual element more than the audio element, so that can drive who they think would be a fit to play it. We (myself included) are learning a lot more about the latter.
This is also a band that has had a punk ethos streak that extends to the fan base. While admirable in some ways it also tends toward grouchiness, rule-following, and minimalism. It's a contingent that will reflexively bristle when presented with something like the Sphere.
spot on. look how many freaked out at the lightning bolt tour bulbs. lol
"Oh Canada...you're beautiful when you're drunk" -EV 8/14/93
I think the issue with this these days is that the tracks that didn't make a release were probably never actually finished as polished tracks like they were in the 90's when created for B sides etc, so most will remain demo's or recording studio cuts that were discarded when it was decided they wouldn't make the record. So in terms of releasable music that can be thrown together to create the b sides release version 2 there probably isnt a great deal of material in the finished format to throw out there.
I think a bit of mixing and mastering by a guy like Josh Evans (or B’OB) could turn a lot of that cache of “unpolished” songs into releasable tracks for a “Lost Dogs 2” compilation.
I would take any arena or stadium within an 8 hour flight over the Sphere.
Same. Would be an easy pass for me… if I’m going all the way there, I’m going for a band that makes sense to play there. Those graphics are not sphere ready. Unless they look worse because they’ve been condensed on a smaller screen for the tours. Could list 50 bands I’d think make sense for the Sphere over PJ.
I would actually prefer to watch a recorded PJ concert at the Sphere, optimized for the screens. It’s not a great live venue imho.
I complete disagree. The sphere had the best acoustics/sound I've ever hard at a concert. It sounded amazing in there. People thing about the visual, but that place is built for sound. Most big concerts in North America are at Arena's and Stadiums and music events are the secondary function. If the Sphere wasn't so far away, I'd see shows at the sphere over any Arena/Stadium shows. There are some bars/theatre's and the Gorge that I like better, but only one of those is of comparable size.
100% That Holoplot system is incredible -- thousands of modules, completely steerable and independent rigs -- every speaker in the cab has its own amp. It is absolutely the cutting edge of live music. It puzzles me why people think the band, who are music nerds at heart, wouldn't want to experience that for themselves and the fans. I remember when Binaural came out and a lot of PJ fans were upset that the band had worked with Tchad Blake to use that technology...some people just don't like the experimentation I guess.
I know some people in the industry, including friends of mine, lament the environmental impact of it -- the power consumption needed to feed the system is substantial. And I think some may just not like the Vegas-ness of it all -- and I totally get that, Vegas isn't really my vibe either. But it really is an impressive innovation and I hope we get to experience our favorite band in that environment at least once.
Hopefully one good thing about this white elephant is local venues will spend to upgrade their sound systems, but…
It’s a carbon footprint disaster. It’s one thing for bands that have a huge following and decided they are about done touring, like new dead and the eagles. But for bands still touring, and this one that has challenges matching itinerary with routing with customer desire for shows, with visuals that are labor intensive and only usable at one location in the world, expecting fans to hop on a plane to a low population center, for a facility losing half a billion dollars a year, huge power consumption, all nutrition and hydration needing to be trucked into a dessert. Maybe it’s time they just say the whole liberal thing is just a fad and schedule the darn shows already!
"Trucked into a dessert"-- now that's how I hope to die.
And since there's no derailing this thread (already derailed), what was the deal with Olé?
They realized that had achieved such a pinnacle of recorded music with "Olé" that it needed to stand alone. To surround it with other songs on an album that could only have been inferior to it would have been an injustice to those other songs.
And since there's no derailing this thread (already derailed), what was the deal with Olé?
They realized that had achieved such a pinnacle of recorded music with "Olé" that it needed to stand alone. To surround it with other songs on an album that could only have been inferior to it would have been an injustice to those other songs.
Legend says someday the human species will be able to handle Ole and Can’t Deny Me on the same album…but the time is not now. Our minds would simply melt into a puddle of goo, too much power!
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2005.....Hamilton
2011.....Toronto N1, Toronto N2, Hamilton
2013.....London, Buffalo
2014.....Detroit
2016.....Toronto N1 Toronto N2, Boston N1, Boston N2, Chicago N1
2018.....Seattle N1, Seattle N2
2022.....San Diego, Los Angeles N1, Los Angeles N2, Phoenix, Oakland N1, Oakland N2, Quebec City, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto
2023.....Fort Worth N1, Fort Worth N2, Austin N1, Austin N2
2024.....Las Vegas N1, Las Vegas N2, Los Angeles N1, Los Angeles N2, Boston N1, Boston N2
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2005.....Hamilton
2011.....Toronto N1, Toronto N2, Hamilton
2013.....London, Buffalo
2014.....Detroit
2016.....Toronto N1 Toronto N2, Boston N1, Boston N2, Chicago N1
2018.....Seattle N1, Seattle N2
2022.....San Diego, Los Angeles N1, Los Angeles N2, Phoenix, Oakland N1, Oakland N2, Quebec City, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto
2023.....Fort Worth N1, Fort Worth N2, Austin N1, Austin N2
2024.....Las Vegas N1, Las Vegas N2, Los Angeles N1, Los Angeles N2, Boston N1, Boston N2
2025.....????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
1998 Raleigh
2000 Virginia Beach
2003 Raleigh
2016 Raleigh Thanks HB2
2016 Columbia
2020 Baltimore Thanks COVID
2022 Baltimore The only original COVID venue not rescheduled (due to construction) :(
2022 Denver
2024 Baltimore
2025 Raleigh 1 and 2
The $2+ Billion Sphere will eventually convince many big acts to do residencies to recoup the costs, whether the actual band members want to do it or not.
-EV 8/14/93
Mansfield '08
Hartford '10
Worcester, Hartford '13
Global Citizen, NY '15
-EV 8/14/93
Mansfield '08
Hartford '10
Worcester, Hartford '13
Global Citizen, NY '15
Eddie Vedder Düsseldorf 06/30/2019
"The future ain't what it used to be..."
I know some people in the industry, including friends of mine, lament the environmental impact of it -- the power consumption needed to feed the system is substantial. And I think some may just not like the Vegas-ness of it all -- and I totally get that, Vegas isn't really my vibe either. But it really is an impressive innovation and I hope we get to experience our favorite band in that environment at least once.
1998 Raleigh
2000 Virginia Beach
2003 Raleigh
2016 Raleigh Thanks HB2
2016 Columbia
2020 Baltimore Thanks COVID
2022 Baltimore The only original COVID venue not rescheduled (due to construction) :(
2022 Denver
2024 Baltimore
2025 Raleigh 1 and 2
This is also a band that has had a punk ethos streak that extends to the fan base. While admirable in some ways it also tends toward grouchiness, rule-following, and minimalism. It's a contingent that will reflexively bristle when presented with something like the Sphere.
-EV 8/14/93