Been watching the resale market for shows that I didn’t get through the club. Hoping the prices dip post Christmas. Still very high for first night Pittsburg, and ofc the Florida shows. Would love a second leg that includes Canada, and some easier destinations for us northerners. Fingers crossed for Europe as I’ve got to be there in July anyway 🤞
There still isnt a single credible rumour on Europe unfortunately.
Been watching the resale market for shows that I didn’t get through the club. Hoping the prices dip post Christmas. Still very high for first night Pittsburg, and ofc the Florida shows. Would love a second leg that includes Canada, and some easier destinations for us northerners. Fingers crossed for Europe as I’ve got to be there in July anyway 🤞
There still isnt a single credible rumour on Europe unfortunately.
Same here. We got the second night in Pitt. But not the first. Prices are disgusting on resale right now. Europe would be gold as I have to be there anyway this summer
I loved attending festivals until about 2017.... cannot stand most lineups since
I think there's just too much competition...there are so many festivals now that all the lineups get watered down as a result.
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DMB, Fall Out Boy and Luke Combs are your headliners.
Festival headliners get worse every year. Same thing happening over here in the U.K. - the line up at Reading for example is absolutely terrible compared to the 2000s which were fantastic. Reading used to be the best festival in the world in its prime. Strangely you have to go to the smaller festivals like Victorious to get a decent line-up.
PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 &05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01& 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18& 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16& 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II, 08/29& 08/31/24: Wrigley Field I & II, 09/03& 09/04/24: MSG I & II, 09/27& 09/29/24: Ohana Festival I & II
EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival
Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.
Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08 ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
No, we all just get a year older every year and less in touch with what is popular and in demand
I think that's part of it too...but do you look at that Jazz Fest lineup as what's "in"?
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No, we all just get a year older every year and less in touch with what is popular and in demand
I find several new artists I like yearly. My wife is into pop and hip hop. I feel like I am the older crowd that should still be able to find one decent festival somewhere in the country.
(yes, I'm biased towards Hartford lol, and no I have nothing to base it on)
Or....a common just-outside-the-BC-radius stop....
Don't tempt ME with a good time, I fuckin' love Maine. Would love to get them in Portland (pretty sure Jeff would JUMP at this lol)
PJ Maine show please!
Which shows are you doing?
Zero, at the moment.
How come? I thought you had mentioned doing Pittsburgh?
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"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
No, we all just get a year older every year and less in touch with what is popular and in demand
A lot of these fests are swimming in nostalgia though. It's like this is shit I didn't want to see 20 years ago much less today.
I am guessing there is a % of the population who feels that way about Pearl Jam (except 35 years). I had a handyman putting up some stuff in my office who was shocked they were still together.
No, we all just get a year older every year and less in touch with what is popular and in demand
A lot of these fests are swimming in nostalgia though. It's like this is shit I didn't want to see 20 years ago much less today.
I am guessing there is a % of the population who feels that way about Pearl Jam (except 35 years). I had a handyman putting up some stuff in my office who was shocked they were still together.
Oh for sure. My only point was that this isn't a case of "old fogey hate festival of garbage music the kids listen to."
No, we all just get a year older every year and less in touch with what is popular and in demand
A lot of these fests are swimming in nostalgia though. It's like this is shit I didn't want to see 20 years ago much less today.
I am guessing there is a % of the population who feels that way about Pearl Jam (except 35 years). I had a handyman putting up some stuff in my office who was shocked they were still together.
Oh for sure. My only point was that this isn't a case of "old fogey hate festival of garbage music the kids listen to."
Default festival line-up for the last 4 years: The Killers, Foo Fighters, a rapper with Lil in his name that I have never heard of.
No, we all just get a year older every year and less in touch with what is popular and in demand
A lot of these fests are swimming in nostalgia though. It's like this is shit I didn't want to see 20 years ago much less today.
I am guessing there is a % of the population who feels that way about Pearl Jam (except 35 years). I had a handyman putting up some stuff in my office who was shocked they were still together.
Oh for sure. My only point was that this isn't a case of "old fogey hate festival of garbage music the kids listen to."
Default festival line-up for the last 4 years: The Killers, Foo Fighters, a rapper with Lil in his name that I have never heard of.
Hey man, don't be knockin' Lil Poops!
PJ - 09/23/98: West Palm Beach II, 08/12/00: Tampa, 04/12/03: Orlando, 04/13/03: Tampa, 06/12/08: Tampa, 06/27/08: Hartford, 09/22/09: Seattle II, 04/11/16: Tampa, 05/01 &05/02/16: MSG I & II, 09/18/21: Sea Hear Now, 10/01& 10/02/21: Ohana Encore I & II, 05/06 & 05/07/22: Los Angeles I & II, 09/11/22: MSG, 09/16/22: Nashville, 09/02/23: St. Paul II, 09/07/23: Chicago II, 09/18& 09/19/23: Austin I & II, 05/16& 05/18/24: Las Vegas I & II, 08/29& 08/31/24: Wrigley Field I & II, 09/03& 09/04/24: MSG I & II, 09/27& 09/29/24: Ohana Festival I & II
EV - 08/04 & 08/05/08: (Eddie solo, w/Liam Finn) NYC I & II, 11/27 & 11/28/12: (Eddie solo, w/Glen Hansard) Orlando I & II, 02/09 & 02/10/22: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Chicago I & II, 09/30/23: (Eddie & the Earthlings) Ohana Festival
Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.
Wanted Posters: WPB '98, Tampa/WPB '00, Tampa '03, EV Batmobile '08 ISO: any picks, or setlists from any of my shows!
No, we all just get a year older every year and less in touch with what is popular and in demand
A lot of these fests are swimming in nostalgia though. It's like this is shit I didn't want to see 20 years ago much less today.
I am guessing there is a % of the population who feels that way about Pearl Jam (except 35 years). I had a handyman putting up some stuff in my office who was shocked they were still together.
Oh for sure. My only point was that this isn't a case of "old fogey hate festival of garbage music the kids listen to."
Default festival line-up for the last 4 years: The Killers, Foo Fighters, a rapper with Lil in his name that I have never heard of.
I think part of the problem is the slow death of rock music in the mainstream. There are very few successful new rock acts over the past 10 years or so… Most bands that qualify as rock headliners for festivals now are “legacy acts” - and I’m not just talking about PJ, Metallica, Radiohead or RHCP who’ve been around for 30+ years, I would also include the likes of Foo Fighters, Blink-182, The Killers, Jack White and Linkin Park in that…
DMB, Fall Out Boy and Luke Combs are your headliners.
Festival headliners get worse every year. Same thing happening over here in the U.K. - the line up at Reading for example is absolutely terrible compared to the 2000s which were fantastic. Reading used to be the best festival in the world in its prime. Strangely you have to go to the smaller festivals like Victorious to get a decent line-up.
I think we are getting old LOL. I looked at the reading line up and felt like my dad when i was growing up. Its absolute bollocks
DMB, Fall Out Boy and Luke Combs are your headliners.
Festival headliners get worse every year. Same thing happening over here in the U.K. - the line up at Reading for example is absolutely terrible compared to the 2000s which were fantastic. Reading used to be the best festival in the world in its prime. Strangely you have to go to the smaller festivals like Victorious to get a decent line-up.
I think we are getting old LOL. I looked at the reading line up and felt like my dad when i was growing up. Its absolute bollocks
Well that's the thing. How would it have looked 30 years ago seeing large swaths of middle age folks at a Lollapalooza? Outside of the occasionally night or Jazzfest people my age aren't the target demo for these festivals.
Personally I'm not a fan of how these things have morphed over the years. We use to have a main stage and a side staff. Then they started having two main stages which was fine because the mains weren't concurrent. There are still a few still like this but a lot of the biggest ones have three, four, of five stages. You are always forced to pick and choose and then fight the crowds. Now I'm going to brave the cold and yell at clouds.
DMB, Fall Out Boy and Luke Combs are your headliners.
Festival headliners get worse every year. Same thing happening over here in the U.K. - the line up at Reading for example is absolutely terrible compared to the 2000s which were fantastic. Reading used to be the best festival in the world in its prime. Strangely you have to go to the smaller festivals like Victorious to get a decent line-up.
I think we are getting old LOL. I looked at the reading line up and felt like my dad when i was growing up. Its absolute bollocks
It’s a much bigger difference now. I mean the bands in our era like PJ, Nirvana, GNR, QOTSA etc aren’t massively different style wise to bands in the 70s like the Who, Led Zeppelin etc. But compare our bands to the current Reading headliners like Chappell Roan, Travis Scott etc. completely different genres
Probably ten years ago or so I remember sitting around with some of my family and we were asking our nieces and nephews (early teens at the time) who was "their voice" -- the musician or act that they felt spoke for their generation. And the answers were interesting because they kept saying things like Green Day, RHCP, etc and I had to keep telling them in my grumpy uncle voice that nope those were mine.
Part of it is the destruction of the music industry -- while it has opened doors for people who otherwise would not have ever had a chance, it has also eliminated that support system for talented acts. There really was something magical about a young and talented group getting a record deal with a major label, allowing them the room to focus solely on music for the next several months as they toured and recorded. Yes, there were some nefarious components of this model as well -- with the label attempting to "mold" that next record into something profitable for them. Bands like PJ were able to largely reject that noise but others weren't as good at it or didn't have the leverage.
All that to say, it's no surprise we don't see a lot of 10-15 year old acts still at the top of their game. ANY business staying around longer than ten years is a big win, but the music industry is especially near-sighted in its current form. What's the next shiny thing?
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I think you don't have overnight rock band success stories because there are so many different avenues for discovering new rock music now. It's not like the old days when we were all listening to FM rock stations and hearing basically the same stuff. It's a slower build now. As a result you have bands like Ghost and Goose playing arenas. King Gizzard is getting close. Just to name a couple.
DMB, Fall Out Boy and Luke Combs are your headliners.
Festival headliners get worse every year. Same thing happening over here in the U.K. - the line up at Reading for example is absolutely terrible compared to the 2000s which were fantastic. Reading used to be the best festival in the world in its prime. Strangely you have to go to the smaller festivals like Victorious to get a decent line-up.
I think we are getting old LOL. I looked at the reading line up and felt like my dad when i was growing up. Its absolute bollocks
It’s a much bigger difference now. I mean the bands in our era like PJ, Nirvana, GNR, QOTSA etc aren’t massively different style wise to bands in the 70s like the Who, Led Zeppelin etc. But compare our bands to the current Reading headliners like Chappell Roan, Travis Scott etc. completely different genres
I get that too, but my old man was a Motown guy. One of the mods and not one of the rockers so when i was off to Glastonbury in the 90's and leeds and reading right up to 2005 ish (before the gradual decline started) i think he thought i had a screw loose.
I remember torturing with RATM vividly.
Some of the utter dross out there today, stuff I am sure is championed to our kids on tiktok and the likes, genuinely hurts my head and senses and I do wonder if ive just gone full circle.
The thing is the way music is enjoyed has changed dramatically. Kids don't even consume music in full songs anymore, nevermind albums, its all 30-40 second snippets ......its all doomed
I think you don't have overnight rock band success stories because there are so many different avenues for discovering new rock music now. It's not like the old days when we were all listening to FM rock stations and hearing basically the same stuff. It's a slower build now. As a result you have bands like Ghost and Goose playing arenas. King Gizzard is getting close. Just to name a couple.
I agree completely about the lack of rock band success stories and it being a different model now. However artists like Drake, Kendrick Lamar, Post Malone seem to be the "rock stars" of today - I don't know if its overnight success but they do seem to have had some of that instant impact and early career success which means they can sell out stadiums and headline the big festivals now.
I get they're solo artists, but I do wonder what makes them able to have such success in the same industry landscape whilst bands seem to struggle to break through in the same way with the younger generation.
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No PJ at Boston Calling
2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
2017: RRHoF 4/7 2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4 2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18
2022: MSG 9/11 2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
2025: Pittsburgh 5/16+5/18
Easy pass. Lol
2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
2017: RRHoF 4/7 2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4 2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18
2022: MSG 9/11 2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
2025: Pittsburgh 5/16+5/18
1998 Raleigh
2000 Virginia Beach
2003 Raleigh
2016 Raleigh Thanks HB2
2016 Columbia
2020 Baltimore Thanks COVID
2022 Baltimore The only original COVID venue not rescheduled (due to construction) :(
2022 Denver
2024 Baltimore
2025 Raleigh 1 and 2
Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.
1998 Raleigh
2000 Virginia Beach
2003 Raleigh
2016 Raleigh Thanks HB2
2016 Columbia
2020 Baltimore Thanks COVID
2022 Baltimore The only original COVID venue not rescheduled (due to construction) :(
2022 Denver
2024 Baltimore
2025 Raleigh 1 and 2
2010: Newark 5/18 MSG 5/20-21 2011: PJ20 9/3-4 2012: Made In America 9/2
2013: Brooklyn 10/18-19 Philly 10/21-22 Hartford 10/25 2014: ACL10/12
2015: NYC 9/23 2016: Tampa 4/11 Philly 4/28-29 MSG 5/1-2 Fenway 8/5+8/7
2017: RRHoF 4/7 2018: Fenway 9/2+9/4 2021: Sea Hear Now 9/18
2022: MSG 9/11 2024: MSG 9/3-4 Philly 9/7+9/9 Fenway 9/15+9/17
2025: Pittsburgh 5/16+5/18
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
lol I see that too
Song Wishlist: Oceans, Brother, Alone, Let Me Sleep, full W.M.A., Hold On, Bugs/all of Vitalogy, Gremmie Out Of Control (BAM!), Mankind, Around The Bend (full band), Whale Song (DOUBLE BAM!), The Long Road, Don't Gimme No Lip, Pilate, Push Me Pull Me, All Those Yesterdays, Rival, Parting Ways, Ghost, Bu$hleaguer, WWS, Parachutes, Army Reserve, low octave Driftin', Strangest Tribe, Other Side, Undone, Fatal, Hitchhiker, Education, Black Red Yellow, Of the Earth, Love Reign O'er Me, Gonna See My Friend, Amongst the Waves, Santa Cruz, Infallible, Yellow Moon, Alright, Comes Then Goes, Got to Give, and the Mamasan Trilogy.
Part of it is the destruction of the music industry -- while it has opened doors for people who otherwise would not have ever had a chance, it has also eliminated that support system for talented acts. There really was something magical about a young and talented group getting a record deal with a major label, allowing them the room to focus solely on music for the next several months as they toured and recorded. Yes, there were some nefarious components of this model as well -- with the label attempting to "mold" that next record into something profitable for them. Bands like PJ were able to largely reject that noise but others weren't as good at it or didn't have the leverage.
All that to say, it's no surprise we don't see a lot of 10-15 year old acts still at the top of their game. ANY business staying around longer than ten years is a big win, but the music industry is especially near-sighted in its current form. What's the next shiny thing?
1998 Raleigh
2000 Virginia Beach
2003 Raleigh
2016 Raleigh Thanks HB2
2016 Columbia
2020 Baltimore Thanks COVID
2022 Baltimore The only original COVID venue not rescheduled (due to construction) :(
2022 Denver
2024 Baltimore
2025 Raleigh 1 and 2
I remember torturing with RATM vividly.
Some of the utter dross out there today, stuff I am sure is championed to our kids on tiktok and the likes, genuinely hurts my head and senses and I do wonder if ive just gone full circle.
The thing is the way music is enjoyed has changed dramatically. Kids don't even consume music in full songs anymore, nevermind albums, its all 30-40 second snippets ......its all doomed
I get they're solo artists, but I do wonder what makes them able to have such success in the same industry landscape whilst bands seem to struggle to break through in the same way with the younger generation.