Why aren't "Got To Give" lyrics included?

MikeDigs

PJPants said:

This bridge is just amazing.  This album has some really perfect bridges.  Can't wait to hear them live.

I noticed this too about the bridges on DM.  Even on my least favorite track, Wreckage, the bridge is really great.

Go Beavers

One theory I saw in here is because the lyrics are a reference to suicide and/or suicidal ideation. 

BSully

I had this question in another tread too. Glad to know I'm not the only one who noticed.

quartered

Are all of you morons?

It's about he and his wife, which he also references at the end of Upper Hand (goes from 'just need a few of you' - i.e., his wife and two daughters to 'maybe just the two of you' - only his two daughters) and Setting Sun (which is all about he and his wife). He doesn't want to be too overt about what he's alluding to in Got to Give (although Setting Sun is pretty direct, so not sure about that), but it's clear (although I guess you could argue it could be about any of his past relationships, but seems unlikely) there are four (well five - the daughters are kind of rolled up in one) main characters in the album - Chris Cornell, Trump, Ed's wife, Ed's daughters, then one for Jeff's wife (Won't Tell), and the whole Seattle scene remnants (Wreckage).

KV4053

quartered said:

Are all of you morons?

It's about he and his wife, which he also references at the end of Upper Hand (goes from 'just need a few of you' - i.e., his wife and two daughters to 'maybe just the two of you' - only his two daughters) and Setting Sun (which is all about he and his wife). He doesn't want to be too overt about what he's alluding to in Got to Give (although Setting Sun is pretty direct, so not sure about that), but it's clear (although I guess you could argue it could be about any of his past relationships, but seems unlikely) there are four (well five - the daughters are kind of rolled up in one) main characters in the album - Chris Cornell, Trump, Ed's wife, Ed's daughters, then one for Jeff's wife (Won't Tell), and the whole Seattle scene remnants (Wreckage).

Pretty harsh words for someone who doesn't actually know the answer and is only speculating.

quartered

OK, sorry about the morons comment. But really...

KV4053

quartered said:

OK, sorry about the morons comment. But really...

Thank you. I initially took similar meanings from the lyrics as you did. But I don't really know.

Ed has very rarely written personal lyrics with some notable exceptions such as the mamasan trilogy and elderly woman.

In retrospect, I think I was just projecting my own experiences on the lyrics. 

I have since revised my thoughts on the lyrics. I now believe that Dark Matter is a concept album, at least lyrically. All of the lyrics are clearly about relationships of some kind. But, the more I listen/read them, I'm less certain that they are personal. 

MikeDigs

KV4053 said:

quartered said:

OK, sorry about the morons comment. But really...

Thank you. I initially took similar meanings from the lyrics as you did. But I don't really know.

Ed has very rarely written personal lyrics with some notable exceptions such as the mamasan trilogy and elderly woman.

In retrospect, I think I was just projecting my own experiences on the lyrics. 

I have since revised my thoughts on the lyrics. I now believe that Dark Matter is a concept album, at least lyrically. All of the lyrics are clearly about relationships of some kind. But, the more I listen/read them, I'm less certain that they are personal. 

You just made me realize something that I was pondering about the album.  I noticed that all of the bridges in this album are great, and I had wondered if the concept of "strong bridges" would factor in somehow.  Now I see how it does, if we focus on having good relationships we need to have strong connections or "bridges".  This album is so cool.

KV4053

MikeDigs said:

KV4053 said:

quartered said:

OK, sorry about the morons comment. But really...

Thank you. I initially took similar meanings from the lyrics as you did. But I don't really know.

Ed has very rarely written personal lyrics with some notable exceptions such as the mamasan trilogy and elderly woman.

In retrospect, I think I was just projecting my own experiences on the lyrics. 

I have since revised my thoughts on the lyrics. I now believe that Dark Matter is a concept album, at least lyrically. All of the lyrics are clearly about relationships of some kind. But, the more I listen/read them, I'm less certain that they are personal. 

You just made me realize something that I was pondering about the album.  I noticed that all of the bridges in this album are great, and I had wondered if the concept of "strong bridges" would factor in somehow.  Now I see how it does, if we focus on having good relationships we need to have strong connections or "bridges".  This album is so cool.

That is deep. You might be on to something. Love it. 

I am so intrigued by this album, I asked my Stanford PhD psychologist friend to help me analyze the lyrics. He hasn't responded 🤣🤣🤣

PJammin'

KV4053 said:

MikeDigs said:

KV4053 said:

quartered said:

OK, sorry about the morons comment. But really...

Thank you. I initially took similar meanings from the lyrics as you did. But I don't really know.

Ed has very rarely written personal lyrics with some notable exceptions such as the mamasan trilogy and elderly woman.

In retrospect, I think I was just projecting my own experiences on the lyrics. 

I have since revised my thoughts on the lyrics. I now believe that Dark Matter is a concept album, at least lyrically. All of the lyrics are clearly about relationships of some kind. But, the more I listen/read them, I'm less certain that they are personal. 

You just made me realize something that I was pondering about the album.  I noticed that all of the bridges in this album are great, and I had wondered if the concept of "strong bridges" would factor in somehow.  Now I see how it does, if we focus on having good relationships we need to have strong connections or "bridges".  This album is so cool.

That is deep. You might be on to something. Love it. 

I am so intrigued by this album, I asked my Stanford PhD psychologist friend to help me analyze the lyrics. He hasn't responded 🤣🤣🤣

BF25394

quartered said:

Are all of you morons?

It's about he and his wife, which he also references at the end of Upper Hand (goes from 'just need a few of you' - i.e., his wife and two daughters to 'maybe just the two of you' - only his two daughters) and Setting Sun (which is all about he and his wife). He doesn't want to be too overt about what he's alluding to in Got to Give (although Setting Sun is pretty direct, so not sure about that), but it's clear (although I guess you could argue it could be about any of his past relationships, but seems unlikely) there are four (well five - the daughters are kind of rolled up in one) main characters in the album - Chris Cornell, Trump, Ed's wife, Ed's daughters, then one for Jeff's wife (Won't Tell), and the whole Seattle scene remnants (Wreckage).

You're projecting a lot onto all of these songs. "Won't Tell" is about a dream that Jeff had about Joni Mitchell and Neil Young, not Jeff's wife. And sometimes, as in "Waiting for Stevie," Ed just invents characters and stories. Don't assume that these songs are autobiographical, other than "Something Special," which Ed has talked about. I don't hear "Wreckage" as being about Seattle; I hear it as being about America in a divided time, trying to figure a way out of the morass we've been in since Trump came down the escalator nine years ago and took our public discourse and politics to new lows.

Spiritual_Chaos

quartered said:

Are all of you morons?

It's about he and his wife, which he also references at the end of Upper Hand (goes from 'just need a few of you' - i.e., his wife and two daughters to 'maybe just the two of you' - only his two daughters) and Setting Sun (which is all about he and his wife). He doesn't want to be too overt about what he's alluding to in Got to Give (although Setting Sun is pretty direct, so not sure about that), but it's clear (although I guess you could argue it could be about any of his past relationships, but seems unlikely) there are four (well five - the daughters are kind of rolled up in one) main characters in the album - Chris Cornell, Trump, Ed's wife, Ed's daughters, then one for Jeff's wife (Won't Tell), and the whole Seattle scene remnants (Wreckage).

We know roughly 0,5% of these peoples lives. A small sliver that is being shown or told publically. 

And I argue the moron is the one who is cramming every line and thought of these people into that 0,5% known. 

Lifted

quartered said:

Are all of you morons?

It's about he and his wife, which he also references at the end of Upper Hand (goes from 'just need a few of you' - i.e., his wife and two daughters to 'maybe just the two of you' - only his two daughters) and Setting Sun (which is all about he and his wife). He doesn't want to be too overt about what he's alluding to in Got to Give (although Setting Sun is pretty direct, so not sure about that), but it's clear (although I guess you could argue it could be about any of his past relationships, but seems unlikely) there are four (well five - the daughters are kind of rolled up in one) main characters in the album - Chris Cornell, Trump, Ed's wife, Ed's daughters, then one for Jeff's wife (Won't Tell), and the whole Seattle scene remnants (Wreckage).

Jeeze...calling people morons for, who knows what, and then pretty much creating your own narrative for someone else's art and stating it as fact.

I will not speculate on what these songs mean to Ed, but I will say that the words are beautifully written throughout the album and touch on universal themes that virtually any adult could relate to. Lyrically, i think this album is right there with No Code for the strongest in the PJ catalog. People were calling this a divorce album when it came out, which I didn't really get....and 50+ SPINS (pun intended) later, I still don't.

Lastly, why do so many people on this board want so desperately to believe that every song is about Chris Cornell? More than likely, none of these songs are about him. 

KV4053

KV4053 said:

quartered said:

OK, sorry about the morons comment. But really...

Thank you. I initially took similar meanings from the lyrics as you did. But I don't really know.

Ed has very rarely written personal lyrics with some notable exceptions such as the mamasan trilogy and elderly woman.

In retrospect, I think I was just projecting my own experiences on the lyrics. 

I have since revised my thoughts on the lyrics. I now believe that Dark Matter is a concept album, at least lyrically. All of the lyrics are clearly about relationships of some kind. But, the more I listen/read them, I'm less certain that they are personal. 

Well, I'm watching the Bill Simmons podcast with Ed and Jeff and Ed clearly says that it's not a concept album so I guess I'll give up that idea.

BrainofBGA

Stream the album on Apple Music and you get the lyrics. 

quartered

Lifted said:

quartered said:

Are all of you morons?

It's about he and his wife, which he also references at the end of Upper Hand (goes from 'just need a few of you' - i.e., his wife and two daughters to 'maybe just the two of you' - only his two daughters) and Setting Sun (which is all about he and his wife). He doesn't want to be too overt about what he's alluding to in Got to Give (although Setting Sun is pretty direct, so not sure about that), but it's clear (although I guess you could argue it could be about any of his past relationships, but seems unlikely) there are four (well five - the daughters are kind of rolled up in one) main characters in the album - Chris Cornell, Trump, Ed's wife, Ed's daughters, then one for Jeff's wife (Won't Tell), and the whole Seattle scene remnants (Wreckage).

Jeeze...calling people morons for, who knows what, and then pretty much creating your own narrative for someone else's art and stating it as fact.

I will not speculate on what these songs mean to Ed, but I will say that the words are beautifully written throughout the album and touch on universal themes that virtually any adult could relate to. Lyrically, i think this album is right there with No Code for the strongest in the PJ catalog. People were calling this a divorce album when it came out, which I didn't really get....and 50+ SPINS (pun intended) later, I still don't.

Lastly, why do so many people on this board want so desperately to believe that every song is about Chris Cornell? More than likely, none of these songs are about him. 

All I wanted was to call someone a Moron - and then I went looking for a reason. Can't you do that anymore? WHY SO SENSITIVE?

Also, seriously, Comes then Goes is CLEARLY about Cornell, so is Scared of Fear. It doesn't mean that when you write, you're not associating other characters into your storyline or into a character, but who else did Ed have a scene with (Scared of Fear) but Cornell? He was his friend. His friend left him and Seattle (did Ed go to Chris's funeral? No. Why not?), I guess I missed part of the Won't Tell story, but the simplest explanation is usually right, and Ed's lyrics have overwhelmingly been personal (either about his perspective or of someone who he's been in contact with in some way - most often the former). All I'll say about the divorce comment is - hmm, what happened next?

I'm definitely getting banned now. 

quartered

KNOW MY RIGHTS!!!

quartered

KV4053 said:

quartered said:

Are all of you morons?

It's about he and his wife, which he also references at the end of Upper Hand (goes from 'just need a few of you' - i.e., his wife and two daughters to 'maybe just the two of you' - only his two daughters) and Setting Sun (which is all about he and his wife). He doesn't want to be too overt about what he's alluding to in Got to Give (although Setting Sun is pretty direct, so not sure about that), but it's clear (although I guess you could argue it could be about any of his past relationships, but seems unlikely) there are four (well five - the daughters are kind of rolled up in one) main characters in the album - Chris Cornell, Trump, Ed's wife, Ed's daughters, then one for Jeff's wife (Won't Tell), and the whole Seattle scene remnants (Wreckage).

Pretty harsh words for someone who doesn't actually know the answer and is only speculating.

I know all the answers

lastexitlondon

It's simply your opinion and you know what they say about opinions!

Chazz

Lifted said:

quartered said:

Are all of you morons?

It's about he and his wife, which he also references at the end of Upper Hand (goes from 'just need a few of you' - i.e., his wife and two daughters to 'maybe just the two of you' - only his two daughters) and Setting Sun (which is all about he and his wife). He doesn't want to be too overt about what he's alluding to in Got to Give (although Setting Sun is pretty direct, so not sure about that), but it's clear (although I guess you could argue it could be about any of his past relationships, but seems unlikely) there are four (well five - the daughters are kind of rolled up in one) main characters in the album - Chris Cornell, Trump, Ed's wife, Ed's daughters, then one for Jeff's wife (Won't Tell), and the whole Seattle scene remnants (Wreckage).

Jeeze...calling people morons for, who knows what, and then pretty much creating your own narrative for someone else's art and stating it as fact.

I will not speculate on what these songs mean to Ed, but I will say that the words are beautifully written throughout the album and touch on universal themes that virtually any adult could relate to. Lyrically, i think this album is right there with No Code for the strongest in the PJ catalog. People were calling this a divorce album when it came out, which I didn't really get....and 50+ SPINS (pun intended) later, I still don't.

Lastly, why do so many people on this board want so desperately to believe that every song is about Chris Cornell? More than likely, none of these songs are about him. 

We really have no idea, it’s just opinions.  I totally agree with the last paragraph re Cornell, it’s like he’s the only friend Ed has ever had and lost…. maybe because he was the friend WE all know about?