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Pearl Jam or Taylor Swift?

Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,846
edited April 2024 in The Porch
Both albums released today. Two artist juggernauts.
Which album do you think is the best?
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"

Pearl Jam or Taylor Swift? 170 votes

Pearl Jam - Dark Matter
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Taylor Swift - The Tortured Poets Department
14%
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  • Force Of NatureForce Of Nature York, England Posts: 1,109
    Well commercially it would be rather surprising if Taylor didnt come out on top
  • just_onejust_one Lisbon Posts: 2,213
    Taylor Swift - The Tortured Poets Department
    i love PJ but realistically Taylor is the right answer.

    the girl is a juggernaut now and rightfully so (i dont like her but playing 3:30 hours shows where she actually sings and plays) you gotta give her credit for it
  • kramerica4kramerica4 Posts: 284
    Taylor Swift - The Tortured Poets Department
    Swift will outsell Pearl Jam 20:1 or so.
    I hope DM will sell more than 100,000 units first week (definitely doable).
    But of course, Dark Matter will slaughter the Taylor record in terms of quality.
    And that's what is important in the end.

  • YourDirtisMyfoodYourDirtisMyfood Boston Posts: 4,655
    Wait is Tortured Poets a double album?
  • just_onejust_one Lisbon Posts: 2,213
    Taylor Swift - The Tortured Poets Department
    YourDirtisMyfood said:
    Wait is Tortured Poets a double album?
    yes
  • droptheleash9droptheleash9 Posts: 1,440
    edited April 2024
    Pearl Jam - Dark Matter
    Pearl Jam isn’t in the same stratosphere of fame as Taylor Swift. She is the most famous person on the planet right now.

    She’s certainly an extremely talented artist worthy of the praise but at this point she could fart into a microphone for 14 songs and her cult-like fan base would find a way to spin it that it is the pinnacle of artistic creation. So you’ll never get a fair evaluation from the “swifties.”

    All that said, I’m sure both albums will be great but giving PJ the edge for no other reason than their record will be judged more objectively.
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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,846
    droptheleash9 said:
    She’s certainly an extremely talented artist worthy of the praise but at this point she could fart into a microphone for 14 songs and her cult-like fan base would find a way to spin it that it is the pinnacle of artistic creation. So you’ll never get a fair evaluation from the “swifties.”
    Do you from the Jamily
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • marumarukomarumaruko Posts: 288
    Taylor Swift - The Tortured Poets Department
    I remember this read which one will be more successful, not which one is the best. haha 
    Then of course Pearl Jam. 
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  • dugangsxrdugangsxr Posts: 686
    Can’t believe I clicked on this…..
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  • JeBurkhardtJeBurkhardt Posts: 5,024
    My guess is that Taylor's will sell more albums in the first week than Dark Matter will sell for the rest of the year. 
  • matt84matt84 Posts: 780
    edited April 2024
    Looking forward to listening to both. I expect Taylor to have the better album.
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  • marjenmarjen CT Posts: 808
    It’s going to be a very overwhelming day. Way too much music to digest from 2 of my all time favorites. PJ is up first this morning.  Must respect the elders. Good day to be alive. 
  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 11,942
    Pearl Jam - Dark Matter
    I believe Cloud Nothings also came out with a new album...
    Spectrum 10/27/09; New Orleans JazzFest 5/1/10; Made in America 9/2/12; Phila, PA 10/21/13; Phila, PA 10/22/13; Baltimore Arena 10/27/13;
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    Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; Phila, PA 9/7/24; Phila, PA 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24

    Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
  • BSullyBSully Indiana Posts: 1,334
    Pearl Jam - Dark Matter
    It's really a no-brainer, but you know she will outsell them just because she is the current hotness.
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  • SVRDhand13SVRDhand13 Posts: 26,522
    Pearl Jam - Dark Matter
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    I believe Cloud Nothings also came out with a new album...
    Saw them about ten years ago. Such a great band!
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  • IndifferenceIndifference Posts: 2,739
    Better question who will sell more vinyl?

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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 30,846
    Indifference said:
    Better question who will sell more vinyl?
    Taytay
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 11,942
    Pearl Jam - Dark Matter
    I like some of Taylor's music. And I think both of her 2020 albums were better than Gigaton. (ducks)  And I really like Gigaton.

    No I haven't listened to her new one yet. Not quite ready for 31 songs or whatever. I understand some are produced by Aaron Dessner, and he produced Folklore & Evermore, so looking forward to that.

    Anyway, this Cloud Nothings album rocks and I can't believe people are complaining about Dark Matter.

    MUSIC!!!
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,095
    Pearl Jam/Taylor Swift is the new Barbenheimmer. 

    SwiftieJammer
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  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 11,942
    Pearl Jam - Dark Matter
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Pearl Jam/Taylor Swift is the new Barbenheimmer. 

    SwiftieJammer
    LOL I think this made my day. (not that it was so bad to begin with)
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    Phila, PA 4/28/16; Phila, PA 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22;
    Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; Phila, PA 9/7/24; Phila, PA 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24

    Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
  • The JugglerThe Juggler Posts: 49,495
    Taylor Swift - The Tortured Poets Department
    This is like asking someone to choose between Johnny Guitar or Black. Duh--Swift all day long baby!

    https://community.pearljam.com/discussion/285925/sticky-black-vs-johnny-guitar#latest
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  • bicyclejoebicyclejoe USA Posts: 1,203
    Pearl Jam - Dark Matter

    My Pearl Jam Road: 10/22/90 Seattle | 12/22/90 Seattle, Moore Theater | 9/29/92 Seattle, Magnusson Park, Drop in the Park | 9/5/93 The Gorge, with Neil Young and Blind Melon | 7/20/06 Portland, Arlene Schnitzer Concert Hall with Sleater-Kinney | 7/22/06 The Gorge, 10/21/06 Mountain View, Shoreline Ampitheatre, Bridge School Benefit | 9/21/09 Seattle | 9/22/09 Seattle | 9/26/09 Portland, OR | 7/14/2011 Eddie Vedder, Portland, OR | 11/29/13 Portland, OR
  • YourDirtisMyfoodYourDirtisMyfood Boston Posts: 4,655
    Dark Matter/Tortured Poets hmmmmm I see a theme.
  • bicyclejoebicyclejoe USA Posts: 1,203
    Pearl Jam - Dark Matter
    Throw in the Ticketmaster continuum, and this day could have some seriously cosmic consequences.
    My Pearl Jam Road: 10/22/90 Seattle | 12/22/90 Seattle, Moore Theater | 9/29/92 Seattle, Magnusson Park, Drop in the Park | 9/5/93 The Gorge, with Neil Young and Blind Melon | 7/20/06 Portland, Arlene Schnitzer Concert Hall with Sleater-Kinney | 7/22/06 The Gorge, 10/21/06 Mountain View, Shoreline Ampitheatre, Bridge School Benefit | 9/21/09 Seattle | 9/22/09 Seattle | 9/26/09 Portland, OR | 7/14/2011 Eddie Vedder, Portland, OR | 11/29/13 Portland, OR
  • mpedonempedone 540xxx - Manchester, NH Posts: 1,961
    Is it okay to like both?
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  • bootlegger10bootlegger10 Posts: 16,091
    So far new Taylor sounds a lot like her last record.
  • Johnny AbruzzoJohnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 11,942
    Pearl Jam - Dark Matter
    mpedone said:
    Is it okay to like both?
    YES!!!
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    Phila, PA 4/28/16; Phila, PA 4/29/16; Fenway Park 8/7/16; Fenway Park 9/2/18; Asbury Park 9/18/21; Camden 9/14/22;
    Las Vegas 5/16/24; Las Vegas 5/18/24; Phila, PA 9/7/24; Phila, PA 9/9/24; Baltimore Arena 9/12/24

    Tres Mtns - TLA 3/23/11; EV - Tower Theatre 6/25/11; Temple of the Dog - Tower Theatre 11/5/16
  • EH14457EH14457 Orlando, FL Posts: 340
    edited April 2024
    I reeeeeally wasn’t expecting to say this, but Dark Matter is better than TTPD.

    Admittedly I’m a bigger Pearl Jam fan, but I own most of Taylor’s albums on vinyl… I’ve watched all her docs. I appreciate good pop music. 

    TTPD feels like she just wanted to get some shit off her chest quickly after a breakup and move on. There are some great lyrics and some cringe lyrics. Production-wise, it feels like a lazy extension of Midnights.

    No doubt it’ll have billions of streams and be in contention for album of the year because everything she touches turns to gold right now. But it’s… not great. Jack Antonoff needs to go away for a while. 

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  • bmurray06bmurray06 Austin, Texas Posts: 155
    Pearl Jam - Dark Matter
    HughFreakingDillon said:
    Pearl Jam/Taylor Swift is the new Barbenheimmer. 

    SwiftieJammer
    #TayJam
  • BF25394BF25394 Posts: 4,743
    How does anyone have a considered opinion on this question?! These albums have been out for less than 12 hours.

    The only comparison I'm capable of making at this point on this subject is that Pearl Jam is my favorite band, and I really loved Gigaton, but Folklore was the best album of 2020.
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