Pearl Jam or Taylor Swift?

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  • jimjam1982
    jimjam1982 AZ Posts: 1,471
    Pearl Jam - Dark Matter
    more popular - taylor swift?
    better musically and lyrically? pearl jam

    It's not even debatable. each member of pearl jam has more musical talent then taylor could ever hope to have.  don't confuse popularity, appearance, and performer ability to be the same as musical talent.
  • YourDirtisMyfood
    YourDirtisMyfood Boston Posts: 4,668
    jimjam1982 said:
    more popular - taylor swift?
    better musically and lyrically? pearl jam

    It's not even debatable. each member of pearl jam has more musical talent then taylor could ever hope to have.  don't confuse popularity, appearance, and performer ability to be the same as musical talent.
    The Tortured Bad Take Department 
  • SVRDhand13
    SVRDhand13 Posts: 27,016
    Pearl Jam - Dark Matter
    My daughter is two years old and can name two musical artists... Pearl Jam and Taylor Swift.  Thanks to her dad and mom, respectively lol. 
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,591
    jimjam1982 said:
    more popular - taylor swift?
    better musically and lyrically? pearl jam

    It's not even debatable. each member of pearl jam has more musical talent then taylor could ever hope to have.  don't confuse popularity, appearance, and performer ability to be the same as musical talent.
    don't confuse popularity, appearance, and performer ability to be the same as lack of musical talent.
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  • PJammin'
    PJammin' Posts: 1,913
    Taylor is talented but personally I’m getting sick of her being everywhere I turn. I’d love for her to disappear for awhile. 
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  • Spiritual_Chaos
    Spiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,591
    edited April 2024
    PJammin' said:
    Taylor is talented but personally I’m getting sick of her being everywhere I turn. I’d love for her to disappear for awhile. 
    Maybe she’ll stop making videos and release Who You Are as the first single soon :)
    "Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
  • JayBar
    JayBar Posts: 51
    Pearl Jam - Dark Matter
    Billboard poll has TS at 60+%

    https://www.billboard.com/music/music-news/new-music-releases-poll-taylor-swift-nicki-minaj-1235661545/


  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    jimjam1982 said:
    more popular - taylor swift?
    better musically and lyrically? pearl jam

    It's not even debatable. each member of pearl jam has more musical talent then taylor could ever hope to have.  don't confuse popularity, appearance, and performer ability to be the same as musical talent.
    You have a blind spot here if you can't see that Taylor Swift is an incredibly talented performer, musician and songwriter. Sometimes, things are really popular because they're really good. She may not be your speed, but suggesting that she is not talented is not really a credible or defensible take.

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  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    jimjam1982 said:
    more popular - taylor swift?
    better musically and lyrically? pearl jam

    It's not even debatable. each member of pearl jam has more musical talent then taylor could ever hope to have.  don't confuse popularity, appearance, and performer ability to be the same as musical talent.
    don't confuse popularity, appearance, and performer ability to be the same as lack of musical talent.
    These are two strong back-to-back posts, my Swedish friend. (Everyone I know goes away in the end...) This one is well-said, and the one about not making videos and releasing "Who You Are" is genius.
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  • Zod
    Zod Posts: 10,914
    I can't make an opinion because I don't appreciate the modern pop genre.   So any opinion would hold biased because I can't unbiasedly judge a genre I don't appreciate :)  I think people who like rock and modern pop would need to chime in.
  • HughFreakingDillon
    HughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 39,787
    I really can't stand pop music for the most part, but man, her talent is undeniable. Her likability is off the freaking charts. if there's a single billionaire on the planet that isn't a POS, it's her. 
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  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    Zod said:
    I can't make an opinion because I don't appreciate the modern pop genre.   So any opinion would hold biased because I can't unbiasedly judge a genre I don't appreciate :)  I think people who like rock and modern pop would need to chime in.
    Have you listened to Folklore and Evermore? If she were an unknown artist, those albums would have been branded as Triple-A or college rock. As it was, Billboard grouped them with Rock & Alternative.

    I went to Target today to pick up The Tortured Poets Department (and toiletries). I also considered buying, but did not buy, another copy of the Dark Matter CD since mine is not scheduled to arrive until Monday. Why didn't I buy it? It's $17.99 plus tax (the LP was $39.99 at Target), and since I was able to burn the downloads onto a CD, I couldn't justify paying 20 bucks to see the artwork three days early when I've already purchased a CD, an LP and a Blu-ray.

    Anyway, back to Taylor. As most folks here know, I'm a fan of her, not only as an artist but as a person. Hugh Dillon is spot on; I have seen her sincerity and kindness in the real world with no cameras present. But I have to say that the decision to offer all of these variants with a single unique song on each is really exploiting her fans. Not only are there four different LPs, each with a unique track, but there are also four different CDs (with four different covers and four different posters inside, apparently). Of course, no one is obligated to buy all of the different variants, but imagine how hard it would be to resist if Pearl Jam did something like this. (We don't even have to imagine because we have people buying fourteen different Pearl Jam LPs that don't even have unique tracks.) I would hate to be the parent of a 12-year-old whose favorite artist is Taylor Swift trying to explain why they'll have to settle for one album variant only because that's all the budget will allow. As for myself, not having heard any of the tracks, as a consumer, I felt a little paralyzed as to which CD to buy. I basically defaulted to number 1. Hopefully, "The Manuscript" is better than the three songs on the other discs that I passed on.

    Someone above made the point of being tired of her and wanting her to go away for a while, and I get that. I would just say that at least her saturation in the culture is primarily a function of the fact that she keeps making music. She's not in the news because she's on reality shows or selling a fragrance or a fashion line or a bunch of other stuff that's extraneous to her art. Yes, she is dating a very famous person, but even that is not something we've heard much about since football season ended. And a lot of the stuff that people choose to write about her is not really anything she's responsible for. Think of that asinine thinkpiece in the New York Times a few months ago speculating about her sexual orientation. Or the article they ran this week about her and Beyonce staying out of each other's way with their release dates-- as if this is something new (the Beatles and Stones used to do the same thing), and as if it benefits anyone other than Beyonce, whose sales are dwarfed by Swift's and would lose a head-to-head battle for number one in a walkover.
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  • marjen
    marjen CT Posts: 808
    For those asking for Taylor to go away, she pretty much did once already. After reputation. She had gotten so insanely popular at that point that there was a huge backlash against her. The thing is she is so damn talented that she came back after that is now even more popular than she was before. I have been a fan of hers since she came out. I don’t like pop music but she is such a great songwriter I found it impossible not to love her music. And folklore is a masterpiece. She might not be your thing but you really can’t deny at this point that she is a prolific writer and performer. 
  • MD190661
    MD190661 Posts: 394
    EH14457 said:
    I reeeeeally wasn’t expecting to say this, but Dark Matter is better than TTPD.

    Admittedly I’m a bigger Pearl Jam fan, but I own most of Taylor’s albums on vinyl… I’ve watched all her docs. I appreciate good pop music. 

    TTPD feels like she just wanted to get some shit off her chest quickly after a breakup and move on. There are some great lyrics and some cringe lyrics. Production-wise, it feels like a lazy extension of Midnights.

    No doubt it’ll have billions of streams and be in contention for album of the year because everything she touches turns to gold right now. But it’s… not great. Jack Antonoff needs to go away for a while. 
    My daughter who is a huge TS fan said it sounds like she just wrote a lot of poetry last year and then put some music behind it. As opposed to writing songs and thinking of the production, if that makes sense. She's been playing it since last night so I've heard a fair amount already. It all kind of sounds the same to me. Sort of like a cross of Folklore and Midnights. Not a dis, just what I've experienced, though I haven't given it its due yet. Glad she's gone for the weekend so I can listen to Dark Matter in peace and have to compete with Tay Tay. 
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  • Eddieredder
    Eddieredder Posts: 753
    TS isn't what I would say is my genre. I'm not the audience. Not really my type of music. With that said, you can't deny her talent. Its hard to reach such a broad spectrum of people. As I said, its not my type of music......but its good.  
  • Johnny Abruzzo
    Johnny Abruzzo Philly Posts: 12,439
    Pearl Jam - Dark Matter
    I'll reserve judgment as I've heard Dark Matter like 6 times and not even half of the Poets album. That "Daddy" song is absolutely brutal, I will say.

    I liked the Cloud Nothings album and the Local Natives album didn't do much for me, but sometimes they take a while to grow on me. Apparently there's also a Nikki Minaj album - I don't know the first thing about her.
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  • PJ_Soul
    PJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,765
    Pearl Jam - Dark Matter
    jimjam1982 said:
    more popular - taylor swift?
    better musically and lyrically? pearl jam

    It's not even debatable. each member of pearl jam has more musical talent then taylor could ever hope to have.  don't confuse popularity, appearance, and performer ability to be the same as musical talent.

    Say what? Taylor Swift is INSANELY musically talented.
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  • Zod
    Zod Posts: 10,914
    Spiritual_Chaos said:
    PJammin' said:
    Taylor is talented but personally I’m getting sick of her being everywhere I turn. I’d love for her to disappear for awhile. 
    Maybe she’ll stop making videos and release Who You Are as the first single soon :)
    This has occurred to me.  Will she hit the point where she needs a break from the fame, but is unable to turn it off.  Will she go all PJ, or will she be fine with it? :)
  • BF25394
    BF25394 Posts: 4,940
    Johnny Abruzzo said:
    Apparently there's also a Nikki Minaj album - I don't know the first thing about her.
    Then you already know more than you need to.
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  • Haijay
    Haijay Posts: 449
    PJ_Soul said:
    jimjam1982 said:
    more popular - taylor swift?
    better musically and lyrically? pearl jam

    It's not even debatable. each member of pearl jam has more musical talent then taylor could ever hope to have.  don't confuse popularity, appearance, and performer ability to be the same as musical talent.

    Say what? Taylor Swift is INSANELY musically talented.
    Yep, at spewing out the commercial, canned pop crap. No argument there

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