This business about new production has me concerned about the variety of the sets we’re going to get. I’ll continue to remain optimistic but I think I’ll wait and see what May brings before I commit to any additional shows.
Varied set lists are the band's stock-in-trade, so I'd be surprised if that changed. Stone even mentions variety in the interview.
The variety went down with the shorter set lengths though. With them still keeping the same backbone of staples.
Even with it beings the band "stock-in-trade".
Just a reminder, that they should mix up that rigid backbone a bit PLAY INSIGNIFICANCE !
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
New album songs Short sets Still playing a lot of the hits
All means variety will be less and less this tour. It’s impossible not to happen. 2013/14 we had the luxury of having 30 plus songs a night to let those guaranteed songs being played each night not matter so much.
They did an excellent job last year of mixing it up but Gigaton songs were not heavy in rotation.
New album songs Short sets Still playing a lot of the hits
All means variety will be less and less this tour. It’s impossible not to happen. 2013/14 we had the luxury of having 30 plus songs a night to let those guaranteed songs being played each night not matter so much.
They did an excellent job last year of mixing it up but Gigaton songs were not heavy in rotation.
Yeah, unfortunately, by the time they started playing shows again, Gigaton's newness had long worn off. It never really went through it's proper tour cycle. It sucks, but it is what it is.
I'm definitely expecting for them to go back to how they used to do things. Dark Matter will likely be played heavily most nights. Which maybe leaves you 15-18 other songs to include. Add in the staples, and you're cycling through 6-8 other songs each night. I hope they do a better job of cycling through their hits but we'll see. Just looking forward to seeing them again. Feels like it's been far too long.
They did an excellent job last year of mixing it up but Gigaton songs were not heavy in rotation.
But in ‘22, apart from very early on, there wasn’t much Gigaton either - it was 3 or 4 from the album, tracks from rearviewmirror, and for some reason unthought known. I think last year showed they’ve got their sea legs back in terms of the catalog and we should be able to get lots of the new record and a broad spectrum of songs.
2023 had way more variety than 2022, but 2022 didn’t have the two nights in each city format. I think we still get big variety on the two night cities.
2003: Uniondale, MSG x2 | 2004: Reading | 2005: Gorge, Vancouver, Philly | 2006: East Rutherford x2, Gorge x2, Camden 1, Hartford | 2008: MSG x2, VA Beach | 2009: Philly x3 | 2010: MSG x2, Bristow | 2011: Alpine Valley x2 | 2012: MIA Philly | 2013: Wrigley, Charlottesville, Brooklyn 2 | 2014: Milan, Amsterdam 1 | 2016: MSG x2, Fenway x2, Wrigley 2 | 2018: Rome, Krakow, Berlin, Wrigley 2 | 2021: Sea Hear Now | 2022: San Diego, LA x2, MSG, Camden, Nashville, St. Louis, Denver | 2023: St. Paul 1, Chicago x2, Fort Worth x2, Austin 2 | 2024: Las Vegas 1, Seattle x2, Indy, MSG x2, Philly x2, Baltimore, Ohana 2
This business about new production has me concerned about the variety of the sets we’re going to get. I’ll continue to remain optimistic but I think I’ll wait and see what May brings before I commit to any additional shows.
Varied set lists are the band's stock-in-trade, so I'd be surprised if that changed. Stone even mentions variety in the interview.
The variety went down with the shorter set lengths though. With them still keeping the same backbone of staples.
Even with it beings the band "stock-in-trade".
Just a reminder, that they should mix up that rigid backbone a bit PLAY INSIGNIFICANCE !
And yet at the last eight shows they played in 2023, they played at least 104 different songs. That's incredible variety.
New album songs Short sets Still playing a lot of the hits
All means variety will be less and less this tour. It’s impossible not to happen. 2013/14 we had the luxury of having 30 plus songs a night to let those guaranteed songs being played each night not matter so much.
They did an excellent job last year of mixing it up but Gigaton songs were not heavy in rotation.
Yeah, unfortunately, by the time they started playing shows again, Gigaton's newness had long worn off. It never really went through it's proper tour cycle. It sucks, but it is what it is.
I'm definitely expecting for them to go back to how they used to do things. Dark Matter will likely be played heavily most nights. Which maybe leaves you 15-18 other songs to include. Add in the staples, and you're cycling through 6-8 other songs each night. I hope they do a better job of cycling through their hits but we'll see. Just looking forward to seeing them again. Feels like it's been far too long.
They leaned heavily into Gigaton initially. At the first night in Ohana, the second show back from the pandemic, they played eight songs from it, including six of the first eight songs in the set. When the 2022 shows started, they were still playing a lot from the album (eight songs at the tour opener in San Diego, as I recall). But once Matt went down, the whole M.O. shifted. Josh only knows the first five albums really well (this is by his own admission). That's why the shows from Oakland through Fresno were so light on Gigaton, and really much of anything post-1998.
They did an excellent job last year of mixing it up but Gigaton songs were not heavy in rotation.
But in ‘22, apart from very early on, there wasn’t much Gigaton either - it was 3 or 4 from the album, tracks from rearviewmirror, and for some reason unthought known. I think last year showed they’ve got their sea legs back in terms of the catalog and we should be able to get lots of the new record and a broad spectrum of songs.
Definitely getting excited for the Vancouver shows.
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"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
There was plenty of variety in 2023 shows. There was 2 repeats for the Chicago shows.
Agreed. Very few repeats in Austin as well.
Alive was the only one in Austin
I remember thinking through what they hadn’t played so far, a couple of songs into the encore, and thinking “I guess we get like 7 hits now then”, which they then did, and it was glorious.
I liked that 2023 sprinkled Gigaton in but wasn’t really Gigaton focused. 2022 was more Gigaton focused.
I am a bit concerned this year won’t have much bandwidth for variety, with their determination to play the new shit, shorter sets, and the staples like Even Flow and Alive.
On a given night there’s still nowhere I’d rather be than at a PJ show, and it’s still so cool they are still around, but it’s going to be a little disappointing compared to what it could be this year.
PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2; 2024: Vancouver 1-2, LV 1-2, LA 1-2, Napa, Barcelona 1-2
EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
It is absolutely insane to be talking about how “disappointing” it’s “going to be” at the shows in March. Also insane to decide the album will suck based on 20 seconds of Bill Raftery calls as I’ve seen more than once.
It is absolutely insane to be talking about how “disappointing” it’s “going to be” at the shows in March. Also insane to decide the album will suck based on 20 seconds of Bill Raftery calls as I’ve seen more than once.
I don’t understand this fanbase at all sometimes.
You underestimate the power of a going from a pessimistic point of view baseline to later being severely pleasantly surprised
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Even with it beings the band "stock-in-trade".
Just a reminder, that they should mix up that rigid backbone a bit
Short sets
Still playing a lot of the hits
All means variety will be less and less this tour. It’s impossible not to happen. 2013/14 we had the luxury of having 30 plus songs a night to let those guaranteed songs being played each night not matter so much.
I'm definitely expecting for them to go back to how they used to do things. Dark Matter will likely be played heavily most nights. Which maybe leaves you 15-18 other songs to include. Add in the staples, and you're cycling through 6-8 other songs each night. I hope they do a better job of cycling through their hits but we'll see. Just looking forward to seeing them again. Feels like it's been far too long.
Toronto - '96, '00, '03, '05, '06, '16, '20, '22
Ottawa - '16, '20, '22
Hamilton - '20, '22
Good interview.
Noblesville, May 7, 2010
PJ20 Night 1, 2011
Cincinnati, Oct. 1, 2014
Milwaukee, Oct. 20, 2014
Wrigley Field, Aug 20, 2016
Wrigley Field, Aug 22, 2016
Wrigley Field, Aug 18, 2018
Wrigley Field, Aug 20, 2018
St. Louis, Sept. 18, 2022
Chicago, Sept. 5, 2023
Chicago, Sept. 7, 2023
"Me knowing the truth, I can not concur."
1996: Toronto - 1998: Chicago, Montreal, Barrie - 2000: Montreal, Toronto - 2002: Seattle X2 (Key Arena) - 2003: Cleveland, Buffalo, Toronto, Montreal, Seattle (Benaroya Hall) - 2004: Reading, Toledo, Grand Rapids - 2005: Kitchener, London, Hamilton, Montreal, Ottawa, Toronto, Quebec City - 2006: Toronto X2, Albany, Hartford, Grand Rapids, Cleveland - 2007: Chicago (Vic Theatre) - 2008: NYC X2, Hartford, Mansfield X2 - 2009: Toronto, Chicago X2, Seattle X2, Philadelphia X4 - 2010: Columbus, Noblesville, Cleveland, Buffalo, Hartford - 2011: Montreal, Toronto X2, Ottawa, Hamilton - 2012: Missoula - 2013: London, Chicago, Buffalo, Hartford - 2014: Detroit, Moline - 2015: NYC (Global Citizen Festival) - 2016: Greenville, Toronto X2, Chicago 1 - 2017: Brooklyn (RRHOF Induction) - 2018: Chicago 1, Boston 1 - 2022: Fresno, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto, NYC, Camden - 2023: St. Paul X2, Austin X2 - 2024: Vancouver X2, Portland, Sacramento, Missoula, Noblesville, Philadelphia X2, Baltimore
I am a bit concerned this year won’t have much bandwidth for variety, with their determination to play the new shit, shorter sets, and the staples like Even Flow and Alive.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023