Matt Pinfield comment about the new Pearl Jam album

wnh1977 · March 2024

WindowPaine said:

evenflow82 said:

I hear you on Foxymop.

I wish Vitalogy took off the pointless songs, waited six months and added 'I Got Shit' and 'Long Road' on to the album. That is how I sequence it at least.

great idea.

where would you put them in the tracklist?

1. last exit
2. not for you
3. nothingman
4. betterman
5. immortality
6. spin the black circle
7. tremor christ
8. whipping
9. corduroy
10. satan's bed

add in i got shit/long road/hard to imagine/yellow ledbetter (supposedly recorded during the vs and vitalogy sessions, it'd be the last song obviously)

Side 1:
Last Exit
Spin the Black Circle
Not For You
Tremor Christ
Nothingman

Side 2:
Corduroy (the fade in to start side 2)
Whipping
Satan's Bed (the whip sound effects after "Whipping"... wouldn't that make great sense?)
Better Man
Immortality (great closing track)

I've always felt that this would've made a tremendous album. Knocks it down to about 40 minutes, a perfect length for a single LP. 10 amazing songs, no filler. The four experimental tracks on Vitalogy is just wayyyyy to much.

igotid88 · March 2024

Was it a clip from the interview he did last year or was it a new interview?

BF25394 · March 2024

wnh1977 said:

WindowPaine said:

evenflow82 said:

I hear you on Foxymop.

I wish Vitalogy took off the pointless songs, waited six months and added 'I Got Shit' and 'Long Road' on to the album. That is how I sequence it at least.

great idea.

where would you put them in the tracklist?

1. last exit
2. not for you
3. nothingman
4. betterman
5. immortality
6. spin the black circle
7. tremor christ
8. whipping
9. corduroy
10. satan's bed

add in i got shit/long road/hard to imagine/yellow ledbetter (supposedly recorded during the vs and vitalogy sessions, it'd be the last song obviously)

Side 1:
Last Exit
Spin the Black Circle
Not For You
Tremor Christ
Nothingman

Side 2:
Corduroy (the fade in to start side 2)
Whipping
Satan's Bed (the whip sound effects after "Whipping"... wouldn't that make great sense?)
Better Man
Immortality (great closing track)

I've always felt that this would've made a tremendous album. Knocks it down to about 40 minutes, a perfect length for a single LP. 10 amazing songs, no filler. The four experimental tracks on Vitalogy is just wayyyyy to much.

I know that Vitalogy was released two weeks early on vinyl-- I bought it-- but let's not retcon by pretending that it was sequenced for vinyl. It was sequenced as a CD intended to play straight through. They knew it was going to sell overwhelmingly in the CD format and be listened to on CD.

That aside, your sequence makes sense except that I think "Pry, To" really belongs where it is on the album. It only adds 45 seconds to the running time. It hammers home the album's theme and bridges nicely to "Corduroy." I still maintain that they should work this up for the live show-- it wouldn't take much practice-- and play it leading into "Corduroy" instead of, say, "Interstellar Overdrive." Of course, Eddie seems to have come to grips with his fame and might not feel like the song is still relevant to him today.

wnh1977 · March 2024

BF25394 said:

wnh1977 said:

WindowPaine said:

evenflow82 said:

I hear you on Foxymop.

I wish Vitalogy took off the pointless songs, waited six months and added 'I Got Shit' and 'Long Road' on to the album. That is how I sequence it at least.

great idea.

where would you put them in the tracklist?

1. last exit
2. not for you
3. nothingman
4. betterman
5. immortality
6. spin the black circle
7. tremor christ
8. whipping
9. corduroy
10. satan's bed

add in i got shit/long road/hard to imagine/yellow ledbetter (supposedly recorded during the vs and vitalogy sessions, it'd be the last song obviously)

Side 1:
Last Exit
Spin the Black Circle
Not For You
Tremor Christ
Nothingman

Side 2:
Corduroy (the fade in to start side 2)
Whipping
Satan's Bed (the whip sound effects after "Whipping"... wouldn't that make great sense?)
Better Man
Immortality (great closing track)

I've always felt that this would've made a tremendous album. Knocks it down to about 40 minutes, a perfect length for a single LP. 10 amazing songs, no filler. The four experimental tracks on Vitalogy is just wayyyyy to much.

I know that Vitalogy was released two weeks early on vinyl-- I bought it-- but let's not retcon by pretending that it was sequenced for vinyl. It was sequenced as a CD intended to play straight through. They knew it was going to sell overwhelmingly in the CD format and be listened to on CD.

That aside, your sequence makes sense except that I think "Pry, To" really belongs where it is on the album. It only adds 45 seconds to the running time. It hammers home the album's theme and bridges nicely to "Corduroy." I still maintain that they should work this up for the live show-- it wouldn't take much practice-- and play it leading into "Corduroy" instead of, say, "Interstellar Overdrive." Of course, Eddie seems to have come to grips with his fame and might not feel like the song is still relevant to him today.

I understand that Vitalogy, and any album after the CD came into being, was not created with the confines of a tracklisting built for a 2-sided LP... however, I think it still think it stands up as a near perfect canvas for albums. There are so many bloated, way-too-long, 17-track CDs from the 90's (I'm 47, so this is the era I'm most familiar with). I'm old-fashioned. I like a tracklisting that makes sense, an album viewed as a piece of work... and not just a hodge-podge bloat of material you can fit on a disc. There are so many albums from that era that would have greatly benefitted from being trimmed down, in my opinion.

I think of Superunknown (15 tracks, 70 minutes) and Down on the Upside (16 tracks, 66 minutes). Christ, Mellon Collie... is over 120-minutes long. That's a triple-album (double-CD)! Love those albums, but I feel like they would've been made stronger by keeping at least a couple tracks off. I'm just old-fashioned. An album with the old-time constraints is what I love. I remember in Moline (No Code show) when Eddie, before going into "Habit", said something like... "let's flip it over and play side 2".

To me, if you're going to put that much material on an album, it better be something damn special like The Wall or the "White Album" (which kind of contradicts my earlier comments because it is a hodge-podge 30 songs that are all fucking over the place).

kmcmanus · March 2024

Down on the Upside could stand to be 12.
Personally I’d take Mellon Collie down to about 10.

but the Superunknown slander is hurtful & also insane. 😉

BrainofBGA · March 2024

A couple of the Chilli Peppers albums are quite long, I quite like them but a trimmed down 12-14 song version would make it a higher quality piece of work. Some of the leftover tracks would make some good b-sides for sure.

BF25394 · March 2024

wnh1977 said:

BF25394 said:

wnh1977 said:

WindowPaine said:

evenflow82 said:

I hear you on Foxymop.

I wish Vitalogy took off the pointless songs, waited six months and added 'I Got Shit' and 'Long Road' on to the album. That is how I sequence it at least.

great idea.

where would you put them in the tracklist?

1. last exit
2. not for you
3. nothingman
4. betterman
5. immortality
6. spin the black circle
7. tremor christ
8. whipping
9. corduroy
10. satan's bed

add in i got shit/long road/hard to imagine/yellow ledbetter (supposedly recorded during the vs and vitalogy sessions, it'd be the last song obviously)

Side 1:
Last Exit
Spin the Black Circle
Not For You
Tremor Christ
Nothingman

Side 2:
Corduroy (the fade in to start side 2)
Whipping
Satan's Bed (the whip sound effects after "Whipping"... wouldn't that make great sense?)
Better Man
Immortality (great closing track)

I've always felt that this would've made a tremendous album. Knocks it down to about 40 minutes, a perfect length for a single LP. 10 amazing songs, no filler. The four experimental tracks on Vitalogy is just wayyyyy to much.

I know that Vitalogy was released two weeks early on vinyl-- I bought it-- but let's not retcon by pretending that it was sequenced for vinyl. It was sequenced as a CD intended to play straight through. They knew it was going to sell overwhelmingly in the CD format and be listened to on CD.

That aside, your sequence makes sense except that I think "Pry, To" really belongs where it is on the album. It only adds 45 seconds to the running time. It hammers home the album's theme and bridges nicely to "Corduroy." I still maintain that they should work this up for the live show-- it wouldn't take much practice-- and play it leading into "Corduroy" instead of, say, "Interstellar Overdrive." Of course, Eddie seems to have come to grips with his fame and might not feel like the song is still relevant to him today.

I understand that Vitalogy, and any album after the CD came into being, was not created with the confines of a tracklisting built for a 2-sided LP... however, I think it still think it stands up as a near perfect canvas for albums. There are so many bloated, way-too-long, 17-track CDs from the 90's (I'm 47, so this is the era I'm most familiar with). I'm old-fashioned. I like a tracklisting that makes sense, an album viewed as a piece of work... and not just a hodge-podge bloat of material you can fit on a disc. There are so many albums from that era that would have greatly benefitted from being trimmed down, in my opinion.

I think of Superunknown (15 tracks, 70 minutes) and Down on the Upside (16 tracks, 66 minutes). Christ, Mellon Collie... is over 120-minutes long. That's a triple-album (double-CD)! Love those albums, but I feel like they would've been made stronger by keeping at least a couple tracks off. I'm just old-fashioned. An album with the old-time constraints is what I love. I remember in Moline (No Code show) when Eddie, before going into "Habit", said something like... "let's flip it over and play side 2".

To me, if you're going to put that much material on an album, it better be something damn special like The Wall or the "White Album" (which kind of contradicts my earlier comments because it is a hodge-podge 30 songs that are all fucking over the place).

I don't disagree with your general idea, but I don't think Vitalogy is an example of bloat. Save for "Stupid Mop," which is kind of like an unhidden hidden track, it's 47:30. Even with it, it's only 55:00. Cut the length of "Aye Davanita" and drop "Bugs" and you're under 45 minutes without losing much.

When I think of bloat, the first things that come to mind are Use Your Illusion I and Use Your Illusion II. There is some really self-indulgent stuff on there. "Get in the Ring" should never have seen the light of day, for example. We did not need an alternate version of "Don't Cry"; save it for the single. The covers ("Live and Let Die" and "Knockin' on Heaven's Door") are very popular but, again, should have been B-sides.

As for Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness, it is probably one of my three favorite albums of all time and I think each disc serves its purpose within the overall arc. I'd leave it just the way it is.

nicknyr15 · March 2024

BrainofBGA said:

A couple of the Chilli Peppers albums are quite long, I quite like them but a trimmed down 12-14 song version would make it a higher quality piece of work. Some of the leftover tracks would make some good b-sides for sure.

I used to feel like that but the more I talked to other fans about these last two RhCp albums, the more I realized that everyone had different favorites. So I love that they release everything they’re passionate about. In this day and age we can always cut it down to our version with playlists.

JT167846 · March 2024

Agree on Mellon Collie. The Aeroplane Flies High reinforced how good Billy's songwriting was at that time-I could chop and change my favourite tracks from that into Mellon Collie and would have an over 30 song set of absolute bangers. He got the flow right though.

She Likes Surprises I like but because it's a b-side tacked onto the end of Superunknown annoys me. Album is flawless otherwise.

BF25394 · March 2024

nicknyr15 said:

BrainofBGA said:

A couple of the Chilli Peppers albums are quite long, I quite like them but a trimmed down 12-14 song version would make it a higher quality piece of work. Some of the leftover tracks would make some good b-sides for sure.

I used to feel like that but the more I talked to other fans about these last two RhCp albums, the more I realized that everyone had different favorites. So I love that they release everything they’re passionate about. In this day and age we can always cut it down to our version with playlists.

As I've talked about elsewhere on the board, I've been actively listening to my entire music collection in order since the beginning of 2022, and I recently went through the Red Hot Chili Peppers. It actually struck me that, since Blood Sugar Sex Magik, they have made a lot of really long albums. I had never noticed it until I listened to them all one after the other.

For those keeping score at home, I finished R.E.M. yesterday and today I started with the oeuvre of Remy Zero, which is smaller than I wish it were.

BrainofBGA · March 2024

nicknyr15 said:

BrainofBGA said:

A couple of the Chilli Peppers albums are quite long, I quite like them but a trimmed down 12-14 song version would make it a higher quality piece of work. Some of the leftover tracks would make some good b-sides for sure.

I used to feel like that but the more I talked to other fans about these last two RhCp albums, the more I realized that everyone had different favorites. So I love that they release everything they’re passionate about. In this day and age we can always cut it down to our version with playlists.

Yes, that’s very true. I do love the last two releases though, however there are a couple of skippable tracks on Dream Canteen as there are on most albums. We can’t like them all I suppose. I might actually go make an Unlimited Love / Dream Canteen compilation in some sort of album sequence.

kmcmanus · March 2024

Wow Remy Zero is a deeeeep cut. I played Villa Elaine a ton in ‘99

BF25394 · March 2024

kmcmanus said:

Wow Remy Zero is a deeeeep cut. I played Villa Elaine a ton in ‘99

I used to play their first album on my radio show in college in '96. Great stuff. Check out "Twister" and "Descent" from that album if you don't already know them. "Prophecy" from Villa Elaine was one of the best songs of the late '90s.