Ticket prices. This is not for you (the fans).

Eddieredder

mace1229 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Chrrie said:

bicyclejoe said:

Tim Simmons said:

PJ is a bigger brand than SP or =w=. 

That being said, Green Day and SP are playing Wrigley and their tickets were $20 more than PJ (after fees)

 I wouldn’t pay these prices for Green Day or SP, either. 

U2 tickets at the Sphere cost me $140 each. They were excellent seats. And that concert experience is arguably the most extraordinary of any in history. It’s was amazing.  

And U2 is a much bigger band than PJ.

And U2 GA was $250, red zone was $600, P1 was $500, and $$$$ VIP packages etc. They subsidized the $140 400 section with the better seats whereas PJ just made everything essentially the same price. Not saying either way is better than the other but you can’t just compare a band’s nosebleed section with PJ’s because they’re entirely different pricing strategies. 

I'll happily say which way is better. Tiered pricing is better. E.g. I think PJ GA could fairly be priced at $300/ticket and have the upper level priced under $100. That would be SO much better than the worst seat being the same price as the best seat. I can't see how anyone could argue against the theory of getting what you pay for.

The only argument is would they lower the price of the bad seats, or just raise the prices of the good seats?
That would be my argument. If nothing is going to be any cheaper, then there is no benefit to the fans other than people just being bitter they didn't get good seats. And anywhere that sells out, I doubt they'd be lowering any prices, only raising them.
So for that reason, I'm happy with the one price system. 

And scalpers just make more margin off cheaper tix. They could also charge more for the better tix.

PJ premium tix would still be going for the same price (or more). If a 20k seat venue is sold out and 1k people are still looking for tix......that doesn't change with tiered pricing. Its still sold out and there are still 1k people looking for tix. I would think it raises the floor on the premium pricing if the seat is truly "premium". 

I don't think anyone is arguing against tiered pricing. Its a normal suggestion that totally makes sense. But it doesn't change the demand, and to your point it might actually make things worse. 

PJ_Soul

Just keep face value F2F with no transfers and you don't really have to worry about scalpers very much.

Chrrie

PJ_Soul said:

Chrrie said:

bicyclejoe said:

Tim Simmons said:

PJ is a bigger brand than SP or =w=. 

That being said, Green Day and SP are playing Wrigley and their tickets were $20 more than PJ (after fees)

 I wouldn’t pay these prices for Green Day or SP, either. 

U2 tickets at the Sphere cost me $140 each. They were excellent seats. And that concert experience is arguably the most extraordinary of any in history. It’s was amazing.  

And U2 is a much bigger band than PJ.

And U2 GA was $250, red zone was $600, P1 was $500, and $$$$ VIP packages etc. They subsidized the $140 400 section with the better seats whereas PJ just made everything essentially the same price. Not saying either way is better than the other but you can’t just compare a band’s nosebleed section with PJ’s because they’re entirely different pricing strategies. 

I'll happily say which way is better. Tiered pricing is better. E.g. I think PJ GA could fairly be priced at $300/ticket and have the upper level priced under $100. That would be SO much better than the worst seat being the same price as the best seat. I can't see how anyone could argue against the theory of getting what you pay for.

I think it would be a shitshow if people with 5 digit and low 6 digit numbers were asked to pay a premium for their seniority seats and I don’t think just increasing the price of GA would be enough for a meaningful subsidy on the 200 sections. So then you have to either add more premium options like Ticketmaster dynamic pricing or fan club VIP packages like other bands do which wouldn’t do much to reduce the ‘band has sold out’ sentiments. 

This year will be an interesting test to see if they can still sell the less desirable seats for these prices outside of the bigger markets. If they can, then I can’t say I wouldn’t personally prefer the option to pay the current face value for a seat that could otherwise be double the price. And if those great seats or GA were $250-$300 face wouldn’t it kinda look like they were turning their backs on some of their most loyal or hardcore fans who have been in the fanclub forever or queue all day in a GA line? 

dreamweaver

Ticket prices were not that expensive unless you are looking at a secondary market. The band has no control over the secondary market. So, end this chat, and let's get back to talking about new music. For the love of god. 

SHZA

PJ_Soul said:

Just keep face value F2F with no transfers and you don't really have to worry about scalpers very much.

False 

PJ_Soul

Chrrie said:

PJ_Soul said:

Chrrie said:

bicyclejoe said:

Tim Simmons said:

PJ is a bigger brand than SP or =w=. 

That being said, Green Day and SP are playing Wrigley and their tickets were $20 more than PJ (after fees)

 I wouldn’t pay these prices for Green Day or SP, either. 

U2 tickets at the Sphere cost me $140 each. They were excellent seats. And that concert experience is arguably the most extraordinary of any in history. It’s was amazing.  

And U2 is a much bigger band than PJ.

And U2 GA was $250, red zone was $600, P1 was $500, and $$$$ VIP packages etc. They subsidized the $140 400 section with the better seats whereas PJ just made everything essentially the same price. Not saying either way is better than the other but you can’t just compare a band’s nosebleed section with PJ’s because they’re entirely different pricing strategies. 

I'll happily say which way is better. Tiered pricing is better. E.g. I think PJ GA could fairly be priced at $300/ticket and have the upper level priced under $100. That would be SO much better than the worst seat being the same price as the best seat. I can't see how anyone could argue against the theory of getting what you pay for.

I think it would be a shitshow if people with 5 digit and low 6 digit numbers were asked to pay a premium for their seniority seats and I don’t think just increasing the price of GA would be enough for a meaningful subsidy on the 200 sections. So then you have to either add more premium options like Ticketmaster dynamic pricing or fan club VIP packages like other bands do which wouldn’t do much to reduce the ‘band has sold out’ sentiments. 

This year will be an interesting test to see if they can still sell the less desirable seats for these prices outside of the bigger markets. If they can, then I can’t say I wouldn’t personally prefer the option to pay the current face value for a seat that could otherwise be double the price. And if those great seats or GA were $250-$300 face wouldn’t it kinda look like they were turning their backs on some of their most loyal or hardcore fans who have been in the fanclub forever or queue all day in a GA line? 

But tiered pricing is already the standard way of doing things, and they have already turned their backs on the fans really. I think the hardcore fans would totally hand over $300 for GA pit. Everyone is complaining already, so if they complained about paying an extra $100 for the pit why would anyone care or even notice? At least this way people who actually can't afford the prices can attend and those who just end up with bad tickets aren't overpaying.

Chrrie

PJ_Soul said:

Chrrie said:

PJ_Soul said:

Chrrie said:

bicyclejoe said:

Tim Simmons said:

PJ is a bigger brand than SP or =w=. 

That being said, Green Day and SP are playing Wrigley and their tickets were $20 more than PJ (after fees)

 I wouldn’t pay these prices for Green Day or SP, either. 

U2 tickets at the Sphere cost me $140 each. They were excellent seats. And that concert experience is arguably the most extraordinary of any in history. It’s was amazing.  

And U2 is a much bigger band than PJ.

And U2 GA was $250, red zone was $600, P1 was $500, and $$$$ VIP packages etc. They subsidized the $140 400 section with the better seats whereas PJ just made everything essentially the same price. Not saying either way is better than the other but you can’t just compare a band’s nosebleed section with PJ’s because they’re entirely different pricing strategies. 

I'll happily say which way is better. Tiered pricing is better. E.g. I think PJ GA could fairly be priced at $300/ticket and have the upper level priced under $100. That would be SO much better than the worst seat being the same price as the best seat. I can't see how anyone could argue against the theory of getting what you pay for.

I think it would be a shitshow if people with 5 digit and low 6 digit numbers were asked to pay a premium for their seniority seats and I don’t think just increasing the price of GA would be enough for a meaningful subsidy on the 200 sections. So then you have to either add more premium options like Ticketmaster dynamic pricing or fan club VIP packages like other bands do which wouldn’t do much to reduce the ‘band has sold out’ sentiments. 

This year will be an interesting test to see if they can still sell the less desirable seats for these prices outside of the bigger markets. If they can, then I can’t say I wouldn’t personally prefer the option to pay the current face value for a seat that could otherwise be double the price. And if those great seats or GA were $250-$300 face wouldn’t it kinda look like they were turning their backs on some of their most loyal or hardcore fans who have been in the fanclub forever or queue all day in a GA line? 

But tiered pricing is already the standard way of doing things, and they have already turned their backs on the fans really. I think the hardcore fans would totally hand over $300 for GA pit. Everyone is complaining already, so if they complained about paying an extra $100 for the pit why would anyone care or even notice? At least this way people who actually can't afford the prices can attend and those who just end up with bad tickets aren't overpaying.

What I was getting at is you are enabling one group of people who want or need a lower price option at the expense of another group of people who would be very unhappy with that outcome. There would absolutely be a lot of people who would care and be unhappy if they implemented your suggestion. You’re right that tiered pricing is pretty common but not every band has to account for a fanclub where the expectation is that their seniority gives them the chance at really good seats (or GA). Again the point is that they would be making one subset of people (maybe) happier but pissing off new people or making them more upset. From the bands perspective it has to seem like there isn’t a correct option to make everyone happy. To individuals though based on our personal circumstances there probably does seem like an option that would be better. 

Anyone posting on this forum should know that with fan to fan you can get way better tickets than you might have gotten from the lottery or Ticketmaster presale (for the shows where it’s enabled). If you don’t have a really low number or care about GA my advice is to either opt out of p2 (pretty cool that this is an option) or don’t enter the fanclub lottery at all. Just wait until something that’s worth it to you comes up later. Because it will. 

SHZA

Chrrie said:

PJ_Soul said:

Chrrie said:

PJ_Soul said:

Chrrie said:

bicyclejoe said:

Tim Simmons said:

PJ is a bigger brand than SP or =w=. 

That being said, Green Day and SP are playing Wrigley and their tickets were $20 more than PJ (after fees)

 I wouldn’t pay these prices for Green Day or SP, either. 

U2 tickets at the Sphere cost me $140 each. They were excellent seats. And that concert experience is arguably the most extraordinary of any in history. It’s was amazing.  

And U2 is a much bigger band than PJ.

And U2 GA was $250, red zone was $600, P1 was $500, and $$$$ VIP packages etc. They subsidized the $140 400 section with the better seats whereas PJ just made everything essentially the same price. Not saying either way is better than the other but you can’t just compare a band’s nosebleed section with PJ’s because they’re entirely different pricing strategies. 

I'll happily say which way is better. Tiered pricing is better. E.g. I think PJ GA could fairly be priced at $300/ticket and have the upper level priced under $100. That would be SO much better than the worst seat being the same price as the best seat. I can't see how anyone could argue against the theory of getting what you pay for.

I think it would be a shitshow if people with 5 digit and low 6 digit numbers were asked to pay a premium for their seniority seats and I don’t think just increasing the price of GA would be enough for a meaningful subsidy on the 200 sections. So then you have to either add more premium options like Ticketmaster dynamic pricing or fan club VIP packages like other bands do which wouldn’t do much to reduce the ‘band has sold out’ sentiments. 

This year will be an interesting test to see if they can still sell the less desirable seats for these prices outside of the bigger markets. If they can, then I can’t say I wouldn’t personally prefer the option to pay the current face value for a seat that could otherwise be double the price. And if those great seats or GA were $250-$300 face wouldn’t it kinda look like they were turning their backs on some of their most loyal or hardcore fans who have been in the fanclub forever or queue all day in a GA line? 

But tiered pricing is already the standard way of doing things, and they have already turned their backs on the fans really. I think the hardcore fans would totally hand over $300 for GA pit. Everyone is complaining already, so if they complained about paying an extra $100 for the pit why would anyone care or even notice? At least this way people who actually can't afford the prices can attend and those who just end up with bad tickets aren't overpaying.

What I was getting at is you are enabling one group of people who want or need a lower price option at the expense of another group of people who would be very unhappy with that outcome. There would absolutely be a lot of people who would care and be unhappy if they implemented your suggestion. You’re right that tiered pricing is pretty common but not every band has to account for a fanclub where the expectation is that their seniority gives them the chance at really good seats (or GA). Again the point is that they would be making one subset of people (maybe) happier but pissing off new people or making them more upset. From the bands perspective it has to seem like there isn’t a correct option to make everyone happy. To individuals though based on our personal circumstances there probably does seem like an option that would be better. 

Anyone posting on this forum should know that with fan to fan you can get way better tickets than you might have gotten from the lottery or Ticketmaster presale (for the shows where it’s enabled). If you don’t have a really low number or care about GA my advice is to either opt out of p2 (pretty cool that this is an option) or don’t enter the fanclub lottery at all. Just wait until something that’s worth it to you comes up later. Because it will. 

The people who would be upset with the change to a tiered system would be complaining that their prime seats or GAs are no longer being subsidized by the nosebleeds. Tough shit! No one can reasonably expect to be able to profit at the expense of other fans forever. And I've benefited from the system. Doesn't mean it's right. It makes no sense that GA and prime seats are basically the same price as the last row of the 300 level. 

Lerxst1992

mpedone said:

mace1229 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Chrrie said:

bicyclejoe said:

Tim Simmons said:

PJ is a bigger brand than SP or =w=. 

That being said, Green Day and SP are playing Wrigley and their tickets were $20 more than PJ (after fees)

 I wouldn’t pay these prices for Green Day or SP, either. 

U2 tickets at the Sphere cost me $140 each. They were excellent seats. And that concert experience is arguably the most extraordinary of any in history. It’s was amazing.  

And U2 is a much bigger band than PJ.

And U2 GA was $250, red zone was $600, P1 was $500, and $$$$ VIP packages etc. They subsidized the $140 400 section with the better seats whereas PJ just made everything essentially the same price. Not saying either way is better than the other but you can’t just compare a band’s nosebleed section with PJ’s because they’re entirely different pricing strategies. 

I'll happily say which way is better. Tiered pricing is better. E.g. I think PJ GA could fairly be priced at $300/ticket and have the upper level priced under $100. That would be SO much better than the worst seat being the same price as the best seat. I can't see how anyone could argue against the theory of getting what you pay for.

The only argument is would they lower the price of the bad seats, or just raise the prices of the good seats?
That would be my argument. If nothing is going to be any cheaper, then there is no benefit to the fans other than people just being bitter they didn't get good seats. And anywhere that sells out, I doubt they'd be lowering any prices, only raising them.
So for that reason, I'm happy with the one price system. 

And this also can make it even more difficult to get tickets in the lottery. If GA/P1 is $300-400 a ticket, I'm probably putting in for the lower tiers. Essentially, the only people who are going to be able to pick any section are those able (or willing) to pay for the most expensive ticket.

So, yeah, it sucks that back row is the same cost as front row, but it's a way to allow people to select any available section and maximize their chance

But it drives up demand/reduces supply, and it is one of many PJ ticket policies driving up market prices and  why they are the only artist with the highest prices  not named swift. And is why the east coast shows now have “market rates” between $500 and $2000. Drive up demand, diminish supply. Basic economics. 

Imagine a supermarket has ten loaves of bread for everyone and that’s it, and nine  are priced at a dollar. What would the tenth loaf sell at? That’s why every other artist tries to match cost with value.

Lerxst1992

Eddieredder said:

mace1229 said:

PJ_Soul said:

Chrrie said:

bicyclejoe said:

Tim Simmons said:

PJ is a bigger brand than SP or =w=. 

That being said, Green Day and SP are playing Wrigley and their tickets were $20 more than PJ (after fees)

 I wouldn’t pay these prices for Green Day or SP, either. 

U2 tickets at the Sphere cost me $140 each. They were excellent seats. And that concert experience is arguably the most extraordinary of any in history. It’s was amazing.  

And U2 is a much bigger band than PJ.

And U2 GA was $250, red zone was $600, P1 was $500, and $$$$ VIP packages etc. They subsidized the $140 400 section with the better seats whereas PJ just made everything essentially the same price. Not saying either way is better than the other but you can’t just compare a band’s nosebleed section with PJ’s because they’re entirely different pricing strategies. 

I'll happily say which way is better. Tiered pricing is better. E.g. I think PJ GA could fairly be priced at $300/ticket and have the upper level priced under $100. That would be SO much better than the worst seat being the same price as the best seat. I can't see how anyone could argue against the theory of getting what you pay for.

The only argument is would they lower the price of the bad seats, or just raise the prices of the good seats?
That would be my argument. If nothing is going to be any cheaper, then there is no benefit to the fans other than people just being bitter they didn't get good seats. And anywhere that sells out, I doubt they'd be lowering any prices, only raising them.
So for that reason, I'm happy with the one price system. 

And scalpers just make more margin off cheaper tix. They could also charge more for the better tix.

PJ premium tix would still be going for the same price (or more). If a 20k seat venue is sold out and 1k people are still looking for tix......that doesn't change with tiered pricing. Its still sold out and there are still 1k people looking for tix. I would think it raises the floor on the premium pricing if the seat is truly "premium". 

I don't think anyone is arguing against tiered pricing. It’s a normal suggestion that totally makes sense. But it doesn't change the demand, and to your point it might actually make things worse. 

Sorry I should have multi quoted this with my above point, but this is not correct. PJ market prices are greater than almost every other act. Go talk to anyone outside the fan community and explain the PJ prices at MSG are higher than what the market is charging for the Stones (and almost every other artist on broker sites) and look at the facial reaction you get. This exists solely for the unique PJ ticket policies. As much as I love them, the Stones are more popular than PJ.

It absolutely changes with tiered pricing, because when you sell something at an @ $800 discount *per ticket* you bring more demand to that product. Based on every established rock act and market rates, the well deserved legacy tickets selling for $180 are easily worth $500 to $1000 based on what most every other established artist charges. This bring enormous demand to a specific ticket range that normally does not exist. This explodes market pricing on every ticket sold that is not under this price control.

Zod

RatherStarved said:

Vancouver 2 Premiums just had a price reduction.  Still too much in my opinion.  

There's so many of them on sale at the same time.  They're barely moving.   I think they'll keep going down.

bicyclejoe

I love Pearl Jam. But it’s also cute how the band seems to think they’re as popular as they were 18 years ago. 

Get_Right

I got two PJ tickets to MSG for $350. I will take that. My Paul McCartney MSG tix were $350 EACH. Worth every penny to take my son to see a Beatle. How much are Neil Young's tickets?
We do not need tiered pricing. Pay your fee and go see the show. There is no discount. It does not matter, go or do not.

GlowGirl

Get_Right said:

I got two PJ tickets to MSG for $350. I will take that. My Paul McCartney MSG tix were $350 EACH. Worth every penny to take my son to see a Beatle. How much are Neil Young's tickets?
We do not need tiered pricing. Pay your fee and go see the show. There is no discount. It does not matter, go or do not.

I get what you are saying. I have paid way more than this to see certain bands. Looking at the tickets I have now - my pit ticket for Foo Fighters is $217, and my lower level Green Day ticket is $288. These are standard face - not any type of platinum. Even Liam Gallagher at a theater is Brooklyn is $108. So compared to that, people who got the pit or decent lowers for PJ paid great prices. But the difference is that the people in the upper levels for Foo Fighters and Green Day are paying much less than I did. So that may be part of the issue here as ticket prices go up. 

RatherStarved

Get_Right said:

I got two PJ tickets to MSG for $350. I will take that. My Paul McCartney MSG tix were $350 EACH. Worth every penny to take my son to see a Beatle. How much are Neil Young's tickets?
We do not need tiered pricing. Pay your fee and go see the show. There is no discount. It does not matter, go or do not.

I bought a pretty good Neil Young ticket to the Virginia show for $139.  Subsequently sold it at face as I can’t go any more. 

GlowGirl

RatherStarved said:

Get_Right said:

I got two PJ tickets to MSG for $350. I will take that. My Paul McCartney MSG tix were $350 EACH. Worth every penny to take my son to see a Beatle. How much are Neil Young's tickets?
We do not need tiered pricing. Pay your fee and go see the show. There is no discount. It does not matter, go or do not.

I bought a pretty good Neil Young ticket to the Virginia show for $139.  Subsequently sold it at face as I can’t go any more. 

That’s great. Here Neil Young is around $250 for decent side stage tickets. 

YourDirtisMyfood

In the past 5 years, I’ve seen Elton John for $55 before fees at TD Garden on my birthday thanks to a precode in 2019, saw Jimmy Buffet in Mansfield in 2022 for $35 before fees 2nd row dead center of lawn seats as there was a ticket drop before show time, $49 for Taylor before fees at Gillette during original ticket drop, $55 for Bruce last August in the 300s before fees and $40 for the 1975 before fees, so it can be done

Tim Simmons

Aren't PJ playing less shows than most comparable legacy acts?  

Tim Simmons

bicyclejoe said:

I love Pearl Jam. But it’s also cute how the band seems to think they’re as popular as they were 18 years ago. 

I don't think they think that.  think as a whole entity, they're definitely less popular than they were. But when it comes to their limited amount of live shows, clearly demand is there.

SHZA

YourDirtisMyfood said:

In the past 5 years, I’ve seen Elton John for $55 before fees at TD Garden on my birthday thanks to a precode in 2019, saw Jimmy Buffet in Mansfield in 2022 for $35 before fees 2nd row dead center of lawn seats as there was a ticket drop before show time, $49 for Taylor before fees at Gillette during original ticket drop, $55 for Bruce last August in the 300s before fees and $40 for the 1975 before fees, so it can be done

Only possible due to tiered pricing. You're not getting the top tickets to those shows for those prices.