It will have to beat the 49,000 Green Day sold its first week. And Green Day promotes. And are probably more popular. At least we're hearing more about Dark Matter than we did with Dance
Oh it would be so sweet if Pearl Jam went live on SiriusXM Pearl Jam Radio day's before the album release for a wicked jam. That would get some promotion hits.
promotion for whom
They should go on Tiny Desk and stuff like that. To have people hear and see them.
"Mostly I think that people react sensitively because they know you’ve got a point"
I have a lot to say, but this site on my phone is screwed still. Maybe in a day or two it will be back to normal. It’s an interesting conversation.
In the meantime, tell me how long you've been a fan, how many shows have you seen, and what makes you stay a member of the fan club?
Nothing ill-will intended, just curious. I have been around from the beginning, joined in 2006, and have seen them 20 times.
Been a fan since 1992. Saw my first show in 1994. Met Ed, Jeff and Dave A. after that show. Have seen them 70 times not counting the ten shows I just got tickets to today. I've seen them play every song from every studio album live (not including ones they've never played) except "Bugs" (which, honestly, is not missed). I've seen "Even Flow" 59 times (and don't ever need to see it again). My ideal show would be half the set from the new album, 25 percent deep cuts from prior albums and 25 percent "hits" (and only because that's what other people would need). I'd be perfectly happy with a set with nothing from Ten and lots of stuff from the 21st century.
Understand that my comments about their popularity are objective, not subjective. I'm not commenting on how much I like them. I love them. They are my favorite band, and have been my favorite band since 1993. How much do I love them? Here's some perspective. My second-favorite band is Wilco. How much do I love Wilco? I first saw them in June 1995, when they had no following. I've seen them 52 times, and I've seen Jeff Tweedy 25 additional times. So I really love Wilco. But not as much as I love Pearl Jam. I wish the wider listening audience still felt this way, but I recognize that it doesn't, and I'm O.K. with it. 1993 to 1995 was a moment in time.
It will have to beat the 49,000 Green Day sold its first week. And Green Day promotes. And are probably more popular. At least we're hearing more about Dark Matter than we did with Dance
Green Day sold 39,000 units in its first week. The 49,000 is the total number of equivalent units when streaming is factored in.
I expect Dark Matter to sell a comparable number of units to Saviors, but get streamed a little bit less often. In 2020, Gigaton sold 57,000 units and had only 5,000 additional equivalent units.
It will have to beat the 49,000 Green Day sold its first week. And Green Day promotes. And are probably more popular. At least we're hearing more about Dark Matter than we did with Dance
Green Day sold 39,000 units in its first week. The 49,000 is the total number of equivalent units when streaming is factored in.
I expect Dark Matter to sell a comparable number of units to Saviors, but get streamed a little bit less often. In 2020, Gigaton sold 57,000 units and had only 5,000 additional equivalent units.
Yes. I was counting everything. #4 debut on the Billboard 200
It will have to beat the 49,000 Green Day sold its first week. And Green Day promotes. And are probably more popular. At least we're hearing more about Dark Matter than we did with Dance
Oh it would be so sweet if Pearl Jam went live on SiriusXM Pearl Jam Radio day's before the album release for a wicked jam. That would get some promotion hits.
While that would be nice it won't reach the casual fan.
It will have to beat the 49,000 Green Day sold its first week. And Green Day promotes. And are probably more popular. At least we're hearing more about Dark Matter than we did with Dance
Oh it would be so sweet if Pearl Jam went live on SiriusXM Pearl Jam Radio day's before the album release for a wicked jam. That would get some promotion hits.
While that would be nice it won't reach the casual fan.
Dark Matter single Billboard
Alternative Airplay #18
Hot Rock Digital Song Sales #2
Hot Hard Rock Songs #3
Alternative Digital Song Sales #4
Rock Digital Song Sales #8
Rock & Alternative Airplay #6
Mainstream Rock Airplay #17 Hot Rock and Alternative Songs #46
Not sure what days they start counting. Since this came out on a Tuesday and not on Friday when most new singles come out.
Dark Matter single Billboard
Alternative Airplay #18
Hot Rock Digital Song Sales #2
Hot Hard Rock Songs #3
Alternative Digital Song Sales #4
Rock Digital Song Sales #8
Rock & Alternative Airplay #6
Mainstream Rock Airplay #17
Hot Rock and Alternative Songs #46
Not sure what days they start counting. Since this came out on a Tuesday and not on Friday when most new singles come out.
I started a separate thread on this yesterday. I actually made a joke in a different thread about the fact that it had been 24 hours and you hadn't replied to it yet.
Dark Matter single Billboard
Alternative Airplay #18
Hot Rock Digital Song Sales #2
Hot Hard Rock Songs #3
Alternative Digital Song Sales #4
Rock Digital Song Sales #8
Rock & Alternative Airplay #6
Mainstream Rock Airplay #17
Hot Rock and Alternative Songs #46
Not sure what days they start counting. Since this came out on a Tuesday and not on Friday when most new singles come out.
I started a separate thread on this yesterday. I actually made a joke in a different thread about the fact that it had been 24 hours and you hadn't replied to it yet.
I'm used to it coming out on Thursday. Forgot it comes on Wednesday now
Dark Matter single Billboard
Alternative Airplay #18
Hot Rock Digital Song Sales #2
Hot Hard Rock Songs #3
Alternative Digital Song Sales #4
Rock Digital Song Sales #8
Rock & Alternative Airplay #6
Mainstream Rock Airplay #17
Hot Rock and Alternative Songs #46
Not sure what days they start counting. Since this came out on a Tuesday and not on Friday when most new singles come out.
To compare with DOTC first week on the char Dance of the Clairvoyants debuts on the Billboard charts
It debuted on a Wednesday
Hot Rock Songs #7
Rock Airplay #9
Rock Digital Single Sales #2
Mainstream Rock Songs #24
Alternative Songs #27
Triple A #24
Lyricfind.us #7
Some of these categories they merged or got rid of
Superbowl didn't help Usher that much. Kanye outsold/streamed him. Sucks that Kanye will probably outsell/stream in his 10th week than Dark Matter will in its 1st
Superbowl didn't help Usher that much. Kanye outsold/streamed him. Sucks that Kanye will probably outsell/stream in his 10th week than Dark Matter will in its 1st
Kanye will definitely outstream them in his Week 10/their Week 1, but he won't outsell them. But don't worry about him being No. 1 in Week 10. Taylor will take care of that. And Ariana Grande and Beyonce will also have recent releases that should be outperforming Kanye at that point.
The question is what would Usher have sold but for that giant commercial watched by over 100 million Americans. You know I don't put much stock in televised performances to move the needle very much, but the Super Bowl Halftime Show is the exception.
That's good. That means it picked up airplay, although it's worth noting that the tracking week goes from Friday through Thursday, so the first week only counted three days and the second week is counting seven days. Still, this means the song is drawing a positive listener response at radio.
Or it could just be that you're calling every rock station in the country every two hours to request it...
That's good. That means it picked up airplay, although it's worth noting that the tracking week goes from Friday through Thursday, so the first week only counted three days and the second week is counting seven days. Still, this means the song is drawing a positive listener response at radio.
Or it could just be that you're calling every rock station in the country every two hours to request it...
That's good. That means it picked up airplay, although it's worth noting that the tracking week goes from Friday through Thursday, so the first week only counted three days and the second week is counting seven days. Still, this means the song is drawing a positive listener response at radio.
Or it could just be that you're calling every rock station in the country every two hours to request it...
I wish that worked
They would definitely be responsive to a genuine wave of listener response, but not so much if it's just you doing different voices every time you call.
I forgot how many paid and free streams count as 1 equivalent. I think it was 150 for paid and 375 for unpaid. Let's just say for example all 946,000 were from paid streams. That's just over 6k equivalent
I forgot how many paid and free streams count as 1 equivalent. I think it was 150 for paid and 375 for unpaid. Let's just say for example all 946,000 were from paid streams. That's just over 6k equivalent
That's for the album chart, and it's 1,250 and 3,750.
The Rock & Alternative Airplay chart is only tracking radio airplay.
I forgot how many paid and free streams count as 1 equivalent. I think it was 150 for paid and 375 for unpaid. Let's just say for example all 946,000 were from paid streams. That's just over 6k equivalent
That's for the album chart, and it's 1,250 and 3,750.
The Rock & Alternative Airplay chart is only tracking radio airplay.
I know that's for airplay. But in the article it said it was streamed 946,000 times in all platforms. So then it's 125 for 1 song and 375 free. They do count singles. If 10 songs get streamed 1250 times that's 1 sale for the album.
Yes, they count singles, but it's not ten songs 125 times each. An album will get credit even if it's only one song that's getting the lion's share of the streams. In this case-- if Dark Matter were commercially available as an album-- 1,250 paid (or 3750 free) streams of the title track would translate to one SEA (streaming equivalent album) unit. So even if all 946,000 of the streams were paid (which we know they aren't; the official visualizer has 844,000 streams on YouTube, albeit not all of those in the seven-day period we're talking about here), that would actually translate to about 757 SEA units. That's bupkis, and the real number is certainly less than that since all of the streams are not actually paid streams. This is why Dark Matter's first-week chart placement is going to be driven almost entirely by physical album sales plus digital downloads, and then it is going to plummet after that.
Unfortunately, this formula is so broken, it's hard to put much stock in it even as I continue to pay attention to it. Think about it: if you buy the album when it comes out, it will get credited for chart purposes as one full sale that will go towards its placement on that week's chart. But that's it. It doesn't matter how many times you consume that album going forward; it will never count toward the chart again because, obviously, Luminate has no way of tracking how many times you spin your CD or LP. But the streaming will always be counted in subsequen t weeks. Each stream counts for less but, if we're trying to track weekly consumption, we're grossly undercounting consumption of album-oriented artists beyond the first week. The sale counts for more, but it only affects the chart for one week. Thus, a pop or hip-hop album that stays in the top ten for weeks is not necessarily being consumed more than a rock or country album that debuts in the top ten and then drops like a rock in subsequent weeks.
This is without even getting into the arbitrariness of the 1,250 paid/3,750 free scheme.
Yes, they count singles, but it's not ten songs 125 times each. An album will get credit even if it's only one song that's getting the lion's share of the streams. In this case-- if Dark Matter were commercially available as an album-- 1,250 paid (or 3750 free) streams of the title track would translate to one SEA (streaming equivalent album) unit. So even if all 946,000 of the streams were paid (which we know they aren't; the official visualizer has 844,000 streams on YouTube, albeit not all of those in the seven-day period we're talking about here), that would actually translate to about 757 SEA units. That's bupkis, and the real number is certainly less than that since all of the streams are not actually paid streams. This is why Dark Matter's first-week chart placement is going to be driven almost entirely by physical album sales plus digital downloads, and then it is going to plummet after that.
Unfortunately, this formula is so broken, it's hard to put much stock in it even as I continue to pay attention to it. Think about it: if you buy the album when it comes out, it will get credited for chart purposes as one full sale that will go towards its placement on that week's chart. But that's it. It doesn't matter how many times you consume that album going forward; it will never count toward the chart again because, obviously, Luminate has no way of tracking how many times you spin your CD or LP. But the streaming will always be counted in subsequen t weeks. Each stream counts for less but, if we're trying to track weekly consumption, we're grossly undercounting consumption of album-oriented artists beyond the first week. The sale counts for more, but it only affects the chart for one week. Thus, a pop or hip-hop album that stays in the top ten for weeks is not necessarily being consumed more than a rock or country album that debuts in the top ten and then drops like a rock in subsequent weeks.
This is without even getting into the arbitrariness of the 1,250 paid/3,750 free scheme.
Yes I know. But singles still get certified albeit differently these days. So I'm just talking about Dark Matter the single. Not that it's ever going to be certified. But to be honest it's hard to know how they count songs like Jeremy (Gold the old way) should be multiplatinum by now. But instead Just Breathe, Daughter, and Elderly Woman are platinum.
So obviously DM is doing better than DOTC. But since I was keeping track of what DOTC did on Spotify and YouTube after 10 days. DOTC had 2.5 million plays and 1.24 million views on youtube to DM 2.497 million plays and 846,000 views
So obviously DM is doing better than DOTC. But since I was keeping track of what DOTC did on Spotify and YouTube after 10 days. DOTC had 2.5 million plays and 1.24 million views on youtube to DM 2.497 million plays and 846,000 views
Sounds like "Dark Matter" is doing better at radio, but slightly worse at streaming. This doesn't surprise me as "Dark Matter" is a much more straightforward fit on rock radio than "Dance of the Clairvoyants." The new song is also a relatively tight three-and-a-half minutes whereas its predecessor was more like 4:45. (Was there a radio edit of "Dance"? I don't remember.)
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They should go on Tiny Desk and stuff like that. To have people hear and see them.
Understand that my comments about their popularity are objective, not subjective. I'm not commenting on how much I like them. I love them. They are my favorite band, and have been my favorite band since 1993. How much do I love them? Here's some perspective. My second-favorite band is Wilco. How much do I love Wilco? I first saw them in June 1995, when they had no following. I've seen them 52 times, and I've seen Jeff Tweedy 25 additional times. So I really love Wilco. But not as much as I love Pearl Jam. I wish the wider listening audience still felt this way, but I recognize that it doesn't, and I'm O.K. with it. 1993 to 1995 was a moment in time.
I expect Dark Matter to sell a comparable number of units to Saviors, but get streamed a little bit less often. In 2020, Gigaton sold 57,000 units and had only 5,000 additional equivalent units.
Gotcha.
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Alternative Airplay #18
Hot Rock Digital Song Sales #2
Hot Hard Rock Songs #3
Alternative Digital Song Sales #4
Rock Digital Song Sales #8
Rock & Alternative Airplay #6
Mainstream Rock Airplay #17
Hot Rock and Alternative Songs #46
Not sure what days they start counting. Since this came out on a Tuesday and not on Friday when most new singles come out.
Dance of the Clairvoyants debuts on the Billboard charts
Some of these categories they merged or got rid of
The question is what would Usher have sold but for that giant commercial watched by over 100 million Americans. You know I don't put much stock in televised performances to move the needle very much, but the Super Bowl Halftime Show is the exception.
In addition to its airplay, the song drew 946,000 official U.S. streams and sold 1,000 downloads Feb. 9-15
Or it could just be that you're calling every rock station in the country every two hours to request it...
The Rock & Alternative Airplay chart is only tracking radio airplay.
Unfortunately, this formula is so broken, it's hard to put much stock in it even as I continue to pay attention to it. Think about it: if you buy the album when it comes out, it will get credited for chart purposes as one full sale that will go towards its placement on that week's chart. But that's it. It doesn't matter how many times you consume that album going forward; it will never count toward the chart again because, obviously, Luminate has no way of tracking how many times you spin your CD or LP. But the streaming will always be counted in subsequen t weeks. Each stream counts for less but, if we're trying to track weekly consumption, we're grossly undercounting consumption of album-oriented artists beyond the first week. The sale counts for more, but it only affects the chart for one week. Thus, a pop or hip-hop album that stays in the top ten for weeks is not necessarily being consumed more than a rock or country album that debuts in the top ten and then drops like a rock in subsequent weeks.
This is without even getting into the arbitrariness of the 1,250 paid/3,750 free scheme.
Guessing by next week we will see it up on YouTube. The single has being played a lot here locally. Very happy.