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    demetrios said:
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    BF25394 said:
    igotid88 said:
    Surprised there isn't a cd/vinyl available yet
    What do you mean? Both are available for preorder.
    I haven't seen it on the USA. Unless I missed something 

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    igotid88igotid88 Posts: 27,486
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    Dark Matter by Pearl Jam is #1 on iTunes rock songs chart. https://apple.co/49yGjqk
    Still #1 on the Rock but #50 on the overall.  Highest it got there was #14.
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    igotid88 said:
    igotid88 said:
    Dark Matter by Pearl Jam is #1 on iTunes rock songs chart. https://apple.co/49yGjqk
    Still #1 on the Rock but #50 on the overall.  Highest it got there was #14.
    What do you mean by the "overall"? The iTunes Top 100? I looked at it earlier today, and again just now, and "Dark Matter" is not on it.
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    igotid88igotid88 Posts: 27,486
    edited February 16
    BF25394 said:
    igotid88 said:
    igotid88 said:
    Dark Matter by Pearl Jam is #1 on iTunes rock songs chart. https://apple.co/49yGjqk
    Still #1 on the Rock but #50 on the overall.  Highest it got there was #14.
    What do you mean by the "overall"? The iTunes Top 100? I looked at it earlier today, and again just now, and "Dark Matter" is not on it.
    Top 100 song downloads on ITunes
    https://www.popvortex.com/music/charts/top-100-songs.php

    You're probably looking at the streams/plays from Apple Music 
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    BF25394BF25394 Posts: 3,554
    igotid88 said:
    BF25394 said:
    igotid88 said:
    igotid88 said:
    Dark Matter by Pearl Jam is #1 on iTunes rock songs chart. https://apple.co/49yGjqk
    Still #1 on the Rock but #50 on the overall.  Highest it got there was #14.
    What do you mean by the "overall"? The iTunes Top 100? I looked at it earlier today, and again just now, and "Dark Matter" is not on it.
    Top 100 song downloads on ITunes
    https://www.popvortex.com/music/charts/top-100-songs.php

    You're probably looking at the streams/plays from Apple Music 
    I see. But to put that in perspective, the No. 20 song on the Billboard Digital Song Sales chart last week sold 6,000 digital downloads. That's across all platforms where you buy a digital download, and that's over seven days. Apple Music is one platform, and this chart is daily, not weekly. Pearl Jam ranking at No. 14 earlier in the week means that it maybe sold a thousand downloads on Apple that day. Maybe. And now it's No. 55, which probably means it sold a few hundred today.
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    igotid88igotid88 Posts: 27,486
    BF25394 said:
    igotid88 said:
    BF25394 said:
    igotid88 said:
    igotid88 said:
    Dark Matter by Pearl Jam is #1 on iTunes rock songs chart. https://apple.co/49yGjqk
    Still #1 on the Rock but #50 on the overall.  Highest it got there was #14.
    What do you mean by the "overall"? The iTunes Top 100? I looked at it earlier today, and again just now, and "Dark Matter" is not on it.
    Top 100 song downloads on ITunes
    https://www.popvortex.com/music/charts/top-100-songs.php

    You're probably looking at the streams/plays from Apple Music 
    I see. But to put that in perspective, the No. 20 song on the Billboard Digital Song Sales chart last week sold 6,000 digital downloads. That's across all platforms where you buy a digital download, and that's over seven days. Apple Music is one platform, and this chart is daily, not weekly. Pearl Jam ranking at No. 14 earlier in the week means that it maybe sold a thousand downloads on Apple that day. Maybe. And now it's No. 55, which probably means it sold a few hundred today.
    Yea I doubt it'll make the digital download chart. Maybe the Rock chart. 
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    demetriosdemetrios Canada Posts: 88,117
    igotid88 said:
    demetrios said:
    igotid88 said:
    BF25394 said:
    igotid88 said:
    Surprised there isn't a cd/vinyl available yet
    What do you mean? Both are available for preorder.
    I haven't seen it on the USA. Unless I missed something 

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    Yea found it. Harder than usual

    Strange the placeholders have been up for a while but no active pre order button.

    Used the CDN ASIN serial number.

    Vinyl ASIN ‏ : ‎ B0CVLBHS3F
    CD  ASIN ‏ : ‎ B0CVLBFM8F
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    igotid88igotid88 Posts: 27,486
    demetrios said:
    igotid88 said:
    demetrios said:
    igotid88 said:
    BF25394 said:
    igotid88 said:
    Surprised there isn't a cd/vinyl available yet
    What do you mean? Both are available for preorder.
    I haven't seen it on the USA. Unless I missed something 

    The placeholder is up now.




    Yea found it. Harder than usual

    Strange the placeholders have been up for a while but no active pre order button.

    Used the CDN ASIN serial number.

    Vinyl ASIN ‏ : ‎ B0CVLBHS3F
    CD  ASIN ‏ : ‎ B0CVLBFM8F
    Yea that's what I did. Usually I wouldn't need to do that. It would be in the coming soon or if you type the full name
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    igotid88igotid88 Posts: 27,486
    edited February 16
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    Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,171
    igotid88 said:

    The image here on YT a bit blurry but the album art on Apple Music is stunning. In the running for my favorite album cover.
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    BF25394BF25394 Posts: 3,554
    igotid88 said:

    The image here on YT a bit blurry but the album art on Apple Music is stunning. In the running for my favorite album cover.
    It would be hard for them to top the Vs. cover. It's a striking image that makes a great visual metaphor for the lyrical and musical content of the album. Riot Act would be second for me.
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    edited February 21
    After 7 days on Spotify DOTC had about 2.5 million plays. So far after 5 days DM has over 1.5 million.
    Dance had the audio (1.2 million views in 10 days) and Mach 1 (1.3 million)video out at the a same day. DM has 683k views after 5 days
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    igotid88 said:
    After 7 days on Spotify DOTC had about 2.5 million plays. So far after 5 days DM has over 1.5 million.
    Dance had the audio (1.2 million views in 7 days) and Mach 1 (1.3 million)video out at the a same day. DM has 683k views after 5 days
    Something we may tend to lose sight of in light of how big Pearl Jam was from 1993 to 1995 is that they're just not all that popular anymore. And, unfortunately, a lot of their remaining popularity is nostalgia-based from listeners who tuned out after the '90s and have almost no interest in hearing anything new that the band puts out. The band has a solid core following that will buy tickets to see them live, and a smaller core that still wants to hear their new music, but neither group is so big that they can play stadiums or even arenas in most smaller markets.

    Remember, this decline in popularity was already in effect by the year 2000. Look at the first-week sales of each album chronologically:

    Vs.: 950,000 (1993)
    Vitalogy: 877,000 (1994)
    No Code: 366,500 (1996)
    Yield: 358,000 (1998)
    Binaural: 226,000 (2000)

    This is despite the fact that Yield and Binaural were coming out at the zenith of the CD era. There were albums that sold more than two million copies in their first week in that time frame. Pearl Jam was selling a tenth of that.

    From there they have been a relatively consistent modest seller, with one notable slight uptick:

    Riot Act: 166,000 (2002)
    Pearl Jam: 280,000 (2006) (boosted by the popularity of "World Wide Suicide," which was number one at rock radio for five weeks when rock radio was still emphasizing new music instead of "oldies")
    Backspacer: 189,000 (2009)
    Lightning Bolt: 166,000 (2013)
    Gigaton: 57,000 (2020)

    Granted, first-week sales do not tell the whole story of a band's commercial success, but they're a pretty good proxy for it, especially since none of these albums had a significant post-release surge due to a hit single or movie/TV synch.
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    HaijayHaijay Posts: 336
    Couldn’t disagree more. Can’t play arenas in smaller markets? Like where, for example? I would love to hear it. The fact is 33 1/2 years later they are still filling arenas, and yes, stadiums worldwide. Every band out there has dwindling sales as their career goes on and on, its just the way it is. And a large part of that is that after 10-15 years, you lose “the youth””, who i believe are the largest demographic for purchasing the “latest thing” and  driving sales. I know its hard for some people on here to accept, but the venues are BY FAR filled with people not in the fan club, just  huge fans of the band. It’s easy to see at a show. When they play The Fixer or Sirens or Evenflow the crowd is singing their lungs out, while a very  small group in the pit are standing there pouting with their arms crossed, and and an even smaller group are going to piss. We all know its true, lolol. 
    I would venture to say that for a band as anti commercial as they've always been, they are doing pretty, pretty, pretty good. Wouldn’t you agree? 
    PS Who the hell was selling 2 million a week? Never ever heard anything like that before…..
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    igotid88igotid88 Posts: 27,486
    BF25394 said:
    igotid88 said:
    After 7 days on Spotify DOTC had about 2.5 million plays. So far after 5 days DM has over 1.5 million.
    Dance had the audio (1.2 million views in 7 days) and Mach 1 (1.3 million)video out at the a same day. DM has 683k views after 5 days
    Something we may tend to lose sight of in light of how big Pearl Jam was from 1993 to 1995 is that they're just not all that popular anymore. And, unfortunately, a lot of their remaining popularity is nostalgia-based from listeners who tuned out after the '90s and have almost no interest in hearing anything new that the band puts out. The band has a solid core following that will buy tickets to see them live, and a smaller core that still wants to hear their new music, but neither group is so big that they can play stadiums or even arenas in most smaller markets.

    Remember, this decline in popularity was already in effect by the year 2000. Look at the first-week sales of each album chronologically:

    Vs.: 950,000 (1993)
    Vitalogy: 877,000 (1994)
    No Code: 366,500 (1996)
    Yield: 358,000 (1998)
    Binaural: 226,000 (2000)

    This is despite the fact that Yield and Binaural were coming out at the zenith of the CD era. There were albums that sold more than two million copies in their first week in that time frame. Pearl Jam was selling a tenth of that.

    From there they have been a relatively consistent modest seller, with one notable slight uptick:

    Riot Act: 166,000 (2002)
    Pearl Jam: 280,000 (2006) (boosted by the popularity of "World Wide Suicide," which was number one at rock radio for five weeks when rock radio was still emphasizing new music instead of "oldies")
    Backspacer: 189,000 (2009)
    Lightning Bolt: 166,000 (2013)
    Gigaton: 57,000 (2020)

    Granted, first-week sales do not tell the whole story of a band's commercial success, but they're a pretty good proxy for it, especially since none of these albums had a significant post-release surge due to a hit single or movie/TV synch.
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    Heard Dark Matter during the Rangers Islanders outdoor game
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    BF25394BF25394 Posts: 3,554
    Haijay said:
    Couldn’t disagree more. Can’t play arenas in smaller markets? Like where, for example? I would love to hear it. The fact is 33 1/2 years later they are still filling arenas, and yes, stadiums worldwide. Every band out there has dwindling sales as their career goes on and on, its just the way it is. And a large part of that is that after 10-15 years, you lose “the youth””, who i believe are the largest demographic for purchasing the “latest thing” and  driving sales. I know its hard for some people on here to accept, but the venues are BY FAR filled with people not in the fan club, just  huge fans of the band. It’s easy to see at a show. When they play The Fixer or Sirens or Evenflow the crowd is singing their lungs out, while a very  small group in the pit are standing there pouting with their arms crossed, and and an even smaller group are going to piss. We all know its true, lolol. 
    I would venture to say that for a band as anti commercial as they've always been, they are doing pretty, pretty, pretty good. Wouldn’t you agree? 
    PS Who the hell was selling 2 million a week? Never ever heard anything like that before…..
    *NSYNC set the record for first-week sales with 2.4 million copies of No Strings Attached sold in March 2000. (By the way, the record is 3.4 million, set by Adele's 25.) It's almost as if I said there were albums selling 2 million copies in a week in 2000 because I knew what I was talking about. (If only there were some way you could have easily fact-checked that before blindly suggesting that I must have been making it up because you hadn't heard it before.)

    Pearl Jam's declining record sales speak for themselves. With respect to arenas, Pearl Jam has only played in a handful of U.S. cities in the last ten years. They haven't played more than 36 shows in any calendar year since 2006. Look at the variety of cities they played in 2000 or 2006, and then look at the last ten years. If Pearl Jam could sell out stadiums in the U.S., then why don't they play more stadiums? Other than Fenway and Wrigley, which are a special case, what other U.S. stadiums have they played in the last decade? Seattle? Missoula? Again, special cases. Do you think that Pearl Jam would play two nights at the Forum to fewer than 40,000 people if they could sell out SoFi Stadium right across the street and play to 70,000 in one night? The Chili Peppers sold out two nights at SoFi last year. Pearl Jam can't do that in 2024. Same goes for MSG instead of Yankee Stadium, Citi Field or MetLife Stadium.

    It is true that very few artists maintain their sales base across their careers. But very few bands achieve the level of sales success that Pearl Jam did from 1993 to 1995. They were arguably the biggest band in the world at that time. They are not anywhere near that level anymore, which was my point. Some of this is a natural progression, as you suggest. Most people have a very narrow window of time when they are passionate about music, especially new music. After the age of 25, most people have stopped seeking out new music, and they spend a lot less time with music in general. This has been compounded by the time eaten up by things that didn't exist in 1993, like the robust World Wide Web, social media and streaming television. Some of the decline was the result of a deliberate strategy by the band to try to scale back a level of fame that was suffocating them. (Choosing "Who You Are" as the lead single from No Code was intended to alienate people. They said so at the time.) Some of it is falling out of the broader audience's consciousness by playing infrequent live shows (see above re: number of shows played annually since 2006) and also going four years, then seven years, then another four years, between albums. (By comparison, Taylor Swift has stayed on top of the market in part because she will have released nine albums in less than five years as of April 19. Pearl Jam will have released two in that span.) Some of it is because their politics have alienated a portion of their audience.

    I agree with you that the majority of people at the shows are not in the fan club. But the majority of people at the shows are like the majority of people at the shows of every veteran act. They are people who haven't bought a record by the band in a quarter-century. They don't know what "The Fixer" or "Sirens" is. They hear that Pearl Jam is playing and they go, "Oh, Pearl Jam's still around. I loved them in the '90s. Those were the good old days. Let's go see them." And then they stand with their arms folded when they play songs from their last seven albums.

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    HaijayHaijay Posts: 336
    I have a lot to say, but this site on my phone is screwed still. Maybe in a day or two it will be back to normal. It’s an interesting conversation. 
    In the meantime, tell me how long you've been a fan, how many shows have you seen, and what makes you stay a member of the fan club? 
    Nothing ill-will intended, just curious. I have been around from the beginning, joined in 2006, and have seen them 20 times. 
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    BSullyBSully Indiana Posts: 1,075
    Well, it's definitely my #1 played song on Spotify over the last week. Does that count for anything?
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    igotid88igotid88 Posts: 27,486
    BSully said:
    Well, it's definitely my #1 played song on Spotify over the last week. Does that count for anything?
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    Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 29,201
    edited February 19
    BF25394 said:
    igotid88 said:
    After 7 days on Spotify DOTC had about 2.5 million plays. So far after 5 days DM has over 1.5 million.
    Dance had the audio (1.2 million views in 7 days) and Mach 1 (1.3 million)video out at the a same day. DM has 683k views after 5 days
    Something we may tend to lose sight of in light of how big Pearl Jam was from 1993 to 1995 is that they're just not all that popular anymore. And, unfortunately, a lot of their remaining popularity is nostalgia-based from listeners who tuned out after the '90s and have almost no interest in hearing anything new that the band puts out. The band has a solid core following that will buy tickets to see them live, and a smaller core that still wants to hear their new music, but neither group is so big that they can play stadiums or even arenas in most smaller markets.

    Remember, this decline in popularity was already in effect by the year 2000. Look at the first-week sales of each album chronologically:

    Vs.: 950,000 (1993)
    Vitalogy: 877,000 (1994)
    No Code: 366,500 (1996)
    Yield: 358,000 (1998)
    Binaural: 226,000 (2000)

    This is despite the fact that Yield and Binaural were coming out at the zenith of the CD era. There were albums that sold more than two million copies in their first week in that time frame. Pearl Jam was selling a tenth of that.

    From there they have been a relatively consistent modest seller, with one notable slight uptick:

    Riot Act: 166,000 (2002)
    Pearl Jam: 280,000 (2006) (boosted by the popularity of "World Wide Suicide," which was number one at rock radio for five weeks when rock radio was still emphasizing new music instead of "oldies")
    Backspacer: 189,000 (2009)
    Lightning Bolt: 166,000 (2013)
    Gigaton: 57,000 (2020)

    Granted, first-week sales do not tell the whole story of a band's commercial success, but they're a pretty good proxy for it, especially since none of these albums had a significant post-release surge due to a hit single or movie/TV synch.

    I'd argue that by the lack of the big, angsty anthemic Ten sound and songs, Pearl Jam were stressing their stay even by VS.

    How were sales week per week for VS and Vitalogy? Vitalogy is 5x platinum, did it keep selling or did it go down and then shoot back up when e.g. Betterman crept our and got airplay?

    I Am Mine should have been a chart killer in 2002 though. I am surprised it didn't become huge (huge) and made Riot Act a big seller. Riot Act selling like it did is really surpassing to me. And I bet it was for the label and band also. With that payola-thing with the free show in Miami, it seems things were not going as expected on the radio.

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    igotid88igotid88 Posts: 27,486
    edited February 19
    BF25394 said:
    igotid88 said:
    After 7 days on Spotify DOTC had about 2.5 million plays. So far after 5 days DM has over 1.5 million.
    Dance had the audio (1.2 million views in 7 days) and Mach 1 (1.3 million)video out at the a same day. DM has 683k views after 5 days
    Something we may tend to lose sight of in light of how big Pearl Jam was from 1993 to 1995 is that they're just not all that popular anymore. And, unfortunately, a lot of their remaining popularity is nostalgia-based from listeners who tuned out after the '90s and have almost no interest in hearing anything new that the band puts out. The band has a solid core following that will buy tickets to see them live, and a smaller core that still wants to hear their new music, but neither group is so big that they can play stadiums or even arenas in most smaller markets.

    Remember, this decline in popularity was already in effect by the year 2000. Look at the first-week sales of each album chronologically:

    Vs.: 950,000 (1993)
    Vitalogy: 877,000 (1994)
    No Code: 366,500 (1996)
    Yield: 358,000 (1998)
    Binaural: 226,000 (2000)

    This is despite the fact that Yield and Binaural were coming out at the zenith of the CD era. There were albums that sold more than two million copies in their first week in that time frame. Pearl Jam was selling a tenth of that.

    From there they have been a relatively consistent modest seller, with one notable slight uptick:

    Riot Act: 166,000 (2002)
    Pearl Jam: 280,000 (2006) (boosted by the popularity of "World Wide Suicide," which was number one at rock radio for five weeks when rock radio was still emphasizing new music instead of "oldies")
    Backspacer: 189,000 (2009)
    Lightning Bolt: 166,000 (2013)
    Gigaton: 57,000 (2020)

    Granted, first-week sales do not tell the whole story of a band's commercial success, but they're a pretty good proxy for it, especially since none of these albums had a significant post-release surge due to a hit single or movie/TV synch.

    I'd argue that by the lack of the big, angsty anthemic Ten sound and songs, Pearl Jam were stressing their stay even by VS.

    How were sales week per week for VS and Vitalogy? Vitalogy is 5x platinum, did it keep selling or did it go down and then shoot back up when e.g. Betterman crept our and got airplay?

    I Am Mine should have been a chart killer in 2002 though. I am surprised it didn't become huge (huge) and made Riot Act a big seller. Riot Act selling like it did is really surpassing to me. And I bet it was for the label and band also. With that payola-thing with the free show in Miami, it seems things were not going as expected on the radio.


     Radio stations were playing what they wanted from the album. It's not like Better Man came out a year after or anything like that. Vs. and Vitalogy were still riding off the Ten wave. But if those albums had music videos and they did more press and didn't have the fight with ticketmaster. If Better Man and Corduroy  were proper singles.
     Those albums would have sold more and given more respect by the casual fan. Also if the first singles off of No Code, Binaural, and Riot Act were different it might have had a different outcome in first week sales and perception. Hail, Hail for No Code,(even though it didn't do that well when it was released as a single after).,  insignificance or Grievance would have been good first singles. And Save You would have been a good first single as well. And even though MTV wasn't playing as much music by then. The Riot Act music videos from Chop Suey weren't shown on MTV. At least not here in the U.S. They were shown on MuchMusic which was then changed to Fuse but didn't have the reach as an MTV


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    igotid88igotid88 Posts: 27,486
    It will have to beat the 49,000 Green Day sold its first week. And Green Day promotes. And are probably more popular. At least we're hearing more about Dark Matter than we did with Dance 
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    igotid88 said:
    It will have to beat the 49,000 Green Day sold its first week. And Green Day promotes. And are probably more popular. At least we're hearing more about Dark Matter than we did with Dance 
    Agreed on that.

    I know it's hard for me to gauge because I am seeking out all of the current announcements and all, but Dark Matter and the tour announcement are getting a big response from what I can see on my socials....more casual fans sharing info, older die hards taking notice etc.

    Also, still shocked by the low week 1 Gigaton sales. Sure, COVID, but that can't be blamed for it all.
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    demetriosdemetrios Canada Posts: 88,117
    igotid88 said:
    It will have to beat the 49,000 Green Day sold its first week. And Green Day promotes. And are probably more popular. At least we're hearing more about Dark Matter than we did with Dance 

    Oh it would be so sweet if Pearl Jam went live on SiriusXM Pearl Jam Radio day's before the album release for a wicked jam. That would get some promotion hits.
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