interesting. I wouldn't worry about the transfer not being turned on. Sometimes they delay transfer but it should come on eventually. It has to.
On the TM ticket page it said tickets will be available the week of the show. I'm guessing that means you can add them to your wallet/transfer, etc the week of.
i thought so too...until they did away with priority.
Excellent point.
PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2; 2024: Vancouver 1-2, LV 1-2, LA 1-2, Napa, Barcelona 1-2
EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
There's still tons of time between now and the show to worry about this.
It would be nice to spend that time not worrying about this though.
PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2; 2024: Vancouver 1-2, LV 1-2, LA 1-2, Napa, Barcelona 1-2
EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
There's still tons of time between now and the show to worry about this.
It would be nice to spend that time not worrying about this though.
What are people worried about?
Just being able to complete trades without having to keep track of it for 6 months. It was part of the appeal of these particular shows.
PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2; 2024: Vancouver 1-2, LV 1-2, LA 1-2, Napa, Barcelona 1-2
EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
I’m not worried about it. I do; however, like things that make sense, and this doesn’t make sense. Tickets should be transferable at any time in IL.
It makes sense. it's their way to bypass the law there. They make them transferrable, they just don't give them to you until a few days before. Really no different than if it was pick up in person hard copy tickets. We never got those ahead of time.
I’m not worried about it. I do; however, like things that make sense, and this doesn’t make sense. Tickets should be transferable at any time in IL.
It makes sense. it's their way to bypass the law there. They make them transferrable, they just don't give them to you until a few days before. Really no different than if it was pick up in person hard copy tickets. We never got those ahead of time.
Why didn't they do that for MSG then? Those were immediately transferrable
I’m not worried about it. I do; however, like things that make sense, and this doesn’t make sense. Tickets should be transferable at any time in IL.
It makes sense. it's their way to bypass the law there. They make them transferrable, they just don't give them to you until a few days before. Really no different than if it was pick up in person hard copy tickets. We never got those ahead of time.
Why didn't they do that for MSG then? Those were immediately transferrable
Maybe the law is more strict there. Maybe they had already closed that loophole. I don't know why they didn't do it there. But seems obvious to me its their way to work around the transferrable law in IL.
I’m not worried about it. I do; however, like things that make sense, and this doesn’t make sense. Tickets should be transferable at any time in IL.
It makes sense. it's their way to bypass the law there. They make them transferrable, they just don't give them to you until a few days before. Really no different than if it was pick up in person hard copy tickets. We never got those ahead of time.
Why didn't they do that for MSG then? Those were immediately transferrable
Maybe the law is more strict there. Maybe they had already closed that loophole. I don't know why they didn't do it there. But seems obvious to me its their way to work around the transferrable law in IL.
And that is exactly my question- is this a valid loophole that TM has found, or is it in fact illegal?
PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2; 2024: Vancouver 1-2, LV 1-2, LA 1-2, Napa, Barcelona 1-2
EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
I’m not worried about it. I do; however, like things that make sense, and this doesn’t make sense. Tickets should be transferable at any time in IL.
It makes sense. it's their way to bypass the law there. They make them transferrable, they just don't give them to you until a few days before. Really no different than if it was pick up in person hard copy tickets. We never got those ahead of time.
Why didn't they do that for MSG then? Those were immediately transferrable
Maybe the law is more strict there. Maybe they had already closed that loophole. I don't know why they didn't do it there. But seems obvious to me its their way to work around the transferrable law in IL.
Then why didn't they do that last year in Illinois? Transfer was promptly available
I can't answer that since I haven't tried. They turned the function on so I assumed it would work for those wanting to sell via third party sites, since F2F isn't open yet. Or maybe they allow sales to go back in the TM available seat pool. I'll try it later to find out, just to see if it actually allows the sale to be initiated (without completing a sale).
I’m not worried about it. I do; however, like things that make sense, and this doesn’t make sense. Tickets should be transferable at any time in IL.
It makes sense. it's their way to bypass the law there. They make them transferrable, they just don't give them to you until a few days before. Really no different than if it was pick up in person hard copy tickets. We never got those ahead of time.
Why didn't they do that for MSG then? Those were immediately transferrable
Maybe the law is more strict there. Maybe they had already closed that loophole. I don't know why they didn't do it there. But seems obvious to me its their way to work around the transferrable law in IL.
And that is exactly my question- is this a valid loophole that TM has found, or is it in fact illegal?
The only thing I've found in a quick search is a prohibition on "limit[ing] the terms or conditions of resale of the ticket." ("Any term or condition of the original sale of a ticket to any [long list of events] that purports to limit the terms or conditions of resale of the ticket (including but not limited to the resale price of the ticket) is unenforceable . . . ").
I'm not sure restricting the time when you're able to transfer the ticket would necessarily be a violation. You'd be free to sell the ticket on stubhub, you just couldn't fulfill the sale until closer to the event. In any case, what would be the motive for delaying the transfer?
I can't answer that since I haven't tried. They turned the function on so I assumed it would work for those wanting to sell via third party sites, since F2F isn't open yet. Or maybe they allow sales to go back in the TM available seat pool. I'll try it later to find out, just to see if it actually allows the sale to be initiated (without completing a sale).
I've had some tickets in my TM app that immediately had the sell button when I bought them months ago but if I try to use the sell button it still just says "organizer has not turned on resale for this event." But I theoretically could make a stubhub listing and then just transfer them even if TM never turns on the sell function.
I’m not worried about it. I do; however, like things that make sense, and this doesn’t make sense. Tickets should be transferable at any time in IL.
It makes sense. it's their way to bypass the law there. They make them transferrable, they just don't give them to you until a few days before. Really no different than if it was pick up in person hard copy tickets. We never got those ahead of time.
Why didn't they do that for MSG then? Those were immediately transferrable
Maybe the law is more strict there. Maybe they had already closed that loophole. I don't know why they didn't do it there. But seems obvious to me its their way to work around the transferrable law in IL.
And that is exactly my question- is this a valid loophole that TM has found, or is it in fact illegal?
The only thing I've found in a quick search is a prohibition on "limit[ing] the terms or conditions of resale of the ticket." ("Any term or condition of the original sale of a ticket to any [long list of events] that purports to limit the terms or conditions of resale of the ticket (including but not limited to the resale price of the ticket) is unenforceable . . . ").
I'm not sure restricting the time when you're able to transfer the ticket would necessarily be a violation. You'd be free to sell the ticket on stubhub, you just couldn't fulfill the sale until closer to the event. In any case, what would be the motive for delaying the transfer?
It just makes it difficult to resell. For example let’s say I buy a ticket on stub hub but later decide to sell it. If the person I bought it from can’t transfer it (something) to me how am I supposed to list something? Do I have to wait until 72 hours before the show to list it? Because that would be in effect a resale limitation.
By the way I’m not attempting to resell any tickets. It’s just annoying not to be able to complete a trade.
PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2; 2024: Vancouver 1-2, LV 1-2, LA 1-2, Napa, Barcelona 1-2
EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
I’m not worried about it. I do; however, like things that make sense, and this doesn’t make sense. Tickets should be transferable at any time in IL.
It makes sense. it's their way to bypass the law there. They make them transferrable, they just don't give them to you until a few days before. Really no different than if it was pick up in person hard copy tickets. We never got those ahead of time.
Why didn't they do that for MSG then? Those were immediately transferrable
Maybe the law is more strict there. Maybe they had already closed that loophole. I don't know why they didn't do it there. But seems obvious to me its their way to work around the transferrable law in IL.
And that is exactly my question- is this a valid loophole that TM has found, or is it in fact illegal?
The only thing I've found in a quick search is a prohibition on "limit[ing] the terms or conditions of resale of the ticket." ("Any term or condition of the original sale of a ticket to any [long list of events] that purports to limit the terms or conditions of resale of the ticket (including but not limited to the resale price of the ticket) is unenforceable . . . ").
I'm not sure restricting the time when you're able to transfer the ticket would necessarily be a violation. You'd be free to sell the ticket on stubhub, you just couldn't fulfill the sale until closer to the event. In any case, what would be the motive for delaying the transfer?
It just makes it difficult to resell. For example let’s say I buy a ticket on stub hub but later decide to sell it. If the person I bought it from can’t transfer it (something) to me how am I supposed to list something? Do I have to wait until 72 hours before the show to list it? Because that would be in effect a resale limitation.
By the way I’m not attempting to resell any tickets. It’s just annoying not to be able to complete a trade.
That would make it difficult but it's not a term or condition of the original sale that's limiting the terms or conditions of reselling. You could sell the ticket on stubhub even if it hasn't been transferred to you yet. But you could wind up getting jammed if the original buyer doesn't transfer it to you early enough to meet your stubhub deadline. The seller can set the deadline pretty late though. Like four hours before the event or something.
I’m not worried about it. I do; however, like things that make sense, and this doesn’t make sense. Tickets should be transferable at any time in IL.
It makes sense. it's their way to bypass the law there. They make them transferrable, they just don't give them to you until a few days before. Really no different than if it was pick up in person hard copy tickets. We never got those ahead of time.
Why didn't they do that for MSG then? Those were immediately transferrable
Maybe the law is more strict there. Maybe they had already closed that loophole. I don't know why they didn't do it there. But seems obvious to me its their way to work around the transferrable law in IL.
And that is exactly my question- is this a valid loophole that TM has found, or is it in fact illegal?
The only thing I've found in a quick search is a prohibition on "limit[ing] the terms or conditions of resale of the ticket." ("Any term or condition of the original sale of a ticket to any [long list of events] that purports to limit the terms or conditions of resale of the ticket (including but not limited to the resale price of the ticket) is unenforceable . . . ").
I'm not sure restricting the time when you're able to transfer the ticket would necessarily be a violation. You'd be free to sell the ticket on stubhub, you just couldn't fulfill the sale until closer to the event. In any case, what would be the motive for delaying the transfer?
It just makes it difficult to resell. For example let’s say I buy a ticket on stub hub but later decide to sell it. If the person I bought it from can’t transfer it (something) to me how am I supposed to list something? Do I have to wait until 72 hours before the show to list it? Because that would be in effect a resale limitation.
By the way I’m not attempting to resell any tickets. It’s just annoying not to be able to complete a trade.
That would make it difficult but it's not a term or condition of the original sale that's limiting the terms or conditions of reselling. You could sell the ticket on stubhub even if it hasn't been transferred to you yet. But you could wind up getting jammed if the original buyer doesn't transfer it to you early enough to meet your stubhub deadline. The seller can set the deadline pretty late though. Like four hours before the event or something.
I guess a court would have to decide if it’s a limitation. Could probably be debated.
Anyway, as someone has said, we will all be there in the end.
Hopefully…
PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2; 2024: Vancouver 1-2, LV 1-2, LA 1-2, Napa, Barcelona 1-2
EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
I'm not trying to run in circles on this, but the last point I'd like to make is that there is no consistency between how TM and MLB are handling these ticket transfers or sales, even though both initial sales were handled by TM in some way (10 Club lottery sales and Verified Fan "general" sales). Tickets held by TM cannot be transferred or sold (fully) at this point. This prevents transfers, trades, sales amongst friends, etc. to be completely fulfilled until the week of the shows (we're guessing anyway). Tickets held by MLB can be transferred or fully sold now. The lack of consistency from both platforms, in addition to the lack of clarity on this topic, is the frustrating part.
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...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
I don't know why they didn't do it there. But seems obvious to me its their way to work around the transferrable law in IL.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
I'm not sure restricting the time when you're able to transfer the ticket would necessarily be a violation. You'd be free to sell the ticket on stubhub, you just couldn't fulfill the sale until closer to the event. In any case, what would be the motive for delaying the transfer?
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
Anyway, as someone has said, we will all be there in the end.
Hopefully…
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
...are those who've helped us.
Right 'round the corner could be bigger than ourselves.