End of the American Republic?

battle1

benjs said:

Tim Simmons said:

I guess you have a lot more faith in the system. And hopefully everything he is doing is bullshit and it doesn't affect the country in any meaningful way. 

I hope you are right. I am just more pessimistic about this.


But yes, thats what I gather from your stance. You believe people here are handwringing (and you would be right) and you think there is nothing to handwring about. 
 

There's an astonishing amount of smoke around for some people to declare that there's no fire. There's been an astonishing amount of devaluing or ignoring norms. Also an astonishing amount of devaluing or ignoring the law. 

Even if one doesn't believe the above, a functional democracy must have an informed (and educated) population to make it better (or at least survive). Anyone who criticizes speaking up, should shove it and remind themselves what democracy actually means. 

They can attempt to start all the fires they want, to use your analogy. And those fires will be extinguished through the checks and balances established since the beginning of our time. The first time our system actually fails we can talk. I don’t pay attention to rhetoric. 

The claims around here are not “speaking up”. If you read A Moving Trainwreck and didn’t know any better you would already believe the American Republic has been overthrown. Which is about the funniest crock of shit I have ever seen. By all means protest, I am wondering myself where the masses are? If all of this is happening where are all the people speaking out? No one is protesting. I personally don’t, I focus on myself and my family/friends. But I would appreciate seeing all these keyboard warriors get out there and be heard. After all, our country is being taken, right?

Tim Simmons

battle1 said:j

Tim Simmons said:

I guess you have a lot more faith in the system. And hopefully everything he is doing is bullshit and it doesn't affect the country in any meaningful way. 

I hope you are right. I am just more pessimistic about this.


But yes, thats what I gather from your stance. You believe people here are handwringing (and you would be right) and you think there is nothing to handwring about. 
 

I believe our system will prevail as always. Is that so hard to understand. By all means be pessimistic, thats your choice, along with the rest of the A Moving Trainwreck posse. Fear yourselves to death for all I care. And I will continue try to remind you all that America will always prevail through checks and balances. Now go back to the regularly scheduled mean orange bad guy coup rhetoric. 

I agree it will prevail and don’t subscribe to it being “the end of the republic”, but I do believe aspects of our society will be fundamentally changed and things will be worse than they have been for many Americans. I think that’s the palpable fear people here are sensing and posting about and they have every right to be worried. 

battle1

Tim Simmons said:

battle1 said:j

Tim Simmons said:

I guess you have a lot more faith in the system. And hopefully everything he is doing is bullshit and it doesn't affect the country in any meaningful way. 

I hope you are right. I am just more pessimistic about this.


But yes, thats what I gather from your stance. You believe people here are handwringing (and you would be right) and you think there is nothing to handwring about. 
 

I believe our system will prevail as always. Is that so hard to understand. By all means be pessimistic, thats your choice, along with the rest of the A Moving Trainwreck posse. Fear yourselves to death for all I care. And I will continue try to remind you all that America will always prevail through checks and balances. Now go back to the regularly scheduled mean orange bad guy coup rhetoric. 

I agree it will prevail and don’t subscribe to it being “the end of the republic”, but I do believe aspects of our society will be fundamentally changed and things will be worse than they have been for many Americans. I think that’s the palpable fear people here are sensing and posting about and they have every right to be worried. 

I agree that aspects will be fundamentally different, at least for the next 4 years. That’s extremely unfortunate, but again, I believe America will overcome. As always. Again, the select few Trainwreckers are posting well beyond “palpable fear”, in my humble opinion. But happy to see we ultimately agree on something and happy to see at least one other person around here believes in our checks and balances. 

GO 🦅 BIRDS

Tim Simmons

Well, for as long as we have them

HughFreakingDillon

move to Canada. 

Gern Blansten

battle1 said:

Tim Simmons said:

battle1 said:j

Tim Simmons said:

I guess you have a lot more faith in the system. And hopefully everything he is doing is bullshit and it doesn't affect the country in any meaningful way. 

I hope you are right. I am just more pessimistic about this.


But yes, thats what I gather from your stance. You believe people here are handwringing (and you would be right) and you think there is nothing to handwring about. 
 

I believe our system will prevail as always. Is that so hard to understand. By all means be pessimistic, thats your choice, along with the rest of the A Moving Trainwreck posse. Fear yourselves to death for all I care. And I will continue try to remind you all that America will always prevail through checks and balances. Now go back to the regularly scheduled mean orange bad guy coup rhetoric. 

I agree it will prevail and don’t subscribe to it being “the end of the republic”, but I do believe aspects of our society will be fundamentally changed and things will be worse than they have been for many Americans. I think that’s the palpable fear people here are sensing and posting about and they have every right to be worried. 

I agree that aspects will be fundamentally different, at least for the next 4 years. That’s extremely unfortunate, but again, I believe America will overcome. As always. Again, the select few Trainwreckers are posting well beyond “palpable fear”, in my humble opinion. But happy to see we ultimately agree on something and happy to see at least one other person around here believes in our checks and balances. 

GO 🦅 BIRDS

does palpable fear include wanting to "throat punch" our duly elected president?

battle1

Gern Blansten said:

battle1 said:

Tim Simmons said:

battle1 said:j

Tim Simmons said:

I guess you have a lot more faith in the system. And hopefully everything he is doing is bullshit and it doesn't affect the country in any meaningful way. 

I hope you are right. I am just more pessimistic about this.


But yes, thats what I gather from your stance. You believe people here are handwringing (and you would be right) and you think there is nothing to handwring about. 
 

I believe our system will prevail as always. Is that so hard to understand. By all means be pessimistic, thats your choice, along with the rest of the A Moving Trainwreck posse. Fear yourselves to death for all I care. And I will continue try to remind you all that America will always prevail through checks and balances. Now go back to the regularly scheduled mean orange bad guy coup rhetoric. 

I agree it will prevail and don’t subscribe to it being “the end of the republic”, but I do believe aspects of our society will be fundamentally changed and things will be worse than they have been for many Americans. I think that’s the palpable fear people here are sensing and posting about and they have every right to be worried. 

I agree that aspects will be fundamentally different, at least for the next 4 years. That’s extremely unfortunate, but again, I believe America will overcome. As always. Again, the select few Trainwreckers are posting well beyond “palpable fear”, in my humble opinion. But happy to see we ultimately agree on something and happy to see at least one other person around here believes in our checks and balances. 

GO 🦅 BIRDS

does palpable fear include wanting to "throat punch" our duly elected president?

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DFQMM0Sxn0f/?igsh=MTUxamhzeHI1czVubA%3D%3D

Halifax2TheMax

Well, I’m imagining that some women in certain states, as well as members of the LGBTQ+ and minority communities are living with “palatable fear.” Fuck those people, like the tomorrow people at the Gorge in 2006, eh? I’m guessing the “what me, worry?” Guy is a white male? Just a guess.

mickeyrat

Tim Simmons said:

Well, for as long as we have them

except its not within the executive to make arbitrary cuts , that comes from congress. Vance's ears were still wet or he would have known that.....

and yes Judges are in fact allowed to check a president.

Tim Simmons

lets hope its just him being an idiot and not the breadcrumbs to something worse.

brianlux

OnWis97 said:

Fake news got us here.

And yeah, it's a coup attempt. Elon's doing it in plain sight. Why you (or anyone) would believe he has the nation's interest in mind is beyond me.

Can anyone legitimately are otherwise?  To do so would be like saying the Eagles are actually NOT winning at half time 24 to zip. 

brianlux

HughFreakingDillon said:

move to Canada. 

If only! 

HughFreakingDillon

so when it comes to the president and the courts in a stand off, no matter what level of court, this is how it works as I understand it from this interview:

-court gives president an order
-president defies order
-court holds president in contempt
-DOJ is the enforcement mechanism that would deploy marshals to enforce order (whatever that may look like)
-head of DOJ is a Trump lapdog, refuses to deploy marshals to enforce order
-president does whatever the fuck he wants

look, the founders did an amazing job with the initial setup, tried the best they could to separate powers, but holy mothereverloving fuck, they obviously did not bet on the president being a guy like trump. 

oh, but look, it's beautiful outside today, america still stands. nothing to worry about here. JFC

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/10/politics/video/toobin-what-if-trump-defies-federal-judge-ac360-digvid?iid=cnn_buildContentRecirc_end_recirc

OnWis97

HughFreakingDillon said:

so when it comes to the president and the courts in a stand off, no matter what level of court, this is how it works as I understand it from this interview:

-court gives president an order
-president defies order
-court holds president in contempt
-DOJ is the enforcement mechanism that would deploy marshals to enforce order (whatever that may look like)
-head of DOJ is a Trump lapdog, refuses to deploy marshals to enforce order
-president does whatever the fuck he wants

look, the founders did an amazing job with the initial setup, tried the best they could to separate powers, but holy mothereverloving fuck, they obviously did not bet on the president being a guy like trump. 

oh, but look, it's beautiful outside today, america still stands. nothing to worry about here. JFC

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/10/politics/video/toobin-what-if-trump-defies-federal-judge-ac360-digvid?iid=cnn_buildContentRecirc_end_recirc

I have always kinda thought that they did bet on a guy like Trump but they didn't bet on an entire party of people in the other two branches stepping aside and allowing it. I'm kinda splitting hairs here but I feel like the idea was not to let one branch of government (particularly the President get too much power and assuming that the other two branches would likely want their share of the power enough to stop it.

Turns out they couldn't anticipate Fox News and the App Formerly Known as Twitter any more than they could have anticipated machine guns.

josevolution

HughFreakingDillon said:

so when it comes to the president and the courts in a stand off, no matter what level of court, this is how it works as I understand it from this interview:

-court gives president an order
-president defies order
-court holds president in contempt
-DOJ is the enforcement mechanism that would deploy marshals to enforce order (whatever that may look like)
-head of DOJ is a Trump lapdog, refuses to deploy marshals to enforce order
-president does whatever the fuck he wants

look, the founders did an amazing job with the initial setup, tried the best they could to separate powers, but holy mothereverloving fuck, they obviously did not bet on the president being a guy like trump. 

oh, but look, it's beautiful outside today, america still stands. nothing to worry about here. JFC

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/10/politics/video/toobin-what-if-trump-defies-federal-judge-ac360-digvid?iid=cnn_buildContentRecirc_end_recirc

He’s daring the courts to try stop him

mickeyrat

OnWis97 said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

so when it comes to the president and the courts in a stand off, no matter what level of court, this is how it works as I understand it from this interview:

-court gives president an order
-president defies order
-court holds president in contempt
-DOJ is the enforcement mechanism that would deploy marshals to enforce order (whatever that may look like)
-head of DOJ is a Trump lapdog, refuses to deploy marshals to enforce order
-president does whatever the fuck he wants

look, the founders did an amazing job with the initial setup, tried the best they could to separate powers, but holy mothereverloving fuck, they obviously did not bet on the president being a guy like trump. 

oh, but look, it's beautiful outside today, america still stands. nothing to worry about here. JFC

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/10/politics/video/toobin-what-if-trump-defies-federal-judge-ac360-digvid?iid=cnn_buildContentRecirc_end_recirc

I have always kinda thought that they did bet on a guy like Trump but they didn't bet on an entire party of people in the other two branches stepping aside and allowing it. I'm kinda splitting hairs here but I feel like the idea was not to let one branch of government (particularly the President get too much power and assuming that the other two branches would likely want their share of the power enough to stop it.

Turns out they couldn't anticipate Fox News and the App Formerly Known as Twitter any more than they could have anticipated machine guns.

this. further I want to point out we weren't set up with parties in mind but the early factions of differing political thoughts on how we were to be set up coalesced around themselves.

Lerxst1992

battle1 said:

Tim Simmons said:

battle1 said:j

Tim Simmons said:

I guess you have a lot more faith in the system. And hopefully everything he is doing is bullshit and it doesn't affect the country in any meaningful way. 

I hope you are right. I am just more pessimistic about this.


But yes, thats what I gather from your stance. You believe people here are handwringing (and you would be right) and you think there is nothing to handwring about. 
 

I believe our system will prevail as always. Is that so hard to understand. By all means be pessimistic, thats your choice, along with the rest of the A Moving Trainwreck posse. Fear yourselves to death for all I care. And I will continue try to remind you all that America will always prevail through checks and balances. Now go back to the regularly scheduled mean orange bad guy coup rhetoric. 

I agree it will prevail and don’t subscribe to it being “the end of the republic”, but I do believe aspects of our society will be fundamentally changed and things will be worse than they have been for many Americans. I think that’s the palpable fear people here are sensing and posting about and they have every right to be worried. 

I agree that aspects will be fundamentally different, at least for the next 4 years. That’s extremely unfortunate, but again, I believe America will overcome. As always. Again, the select few Trainwreckers are posting well beyond “palpable fear”, in my humble opinion. But happy to see we ultimately agree on something and happy to see at least one other person around here believes in our checks and balances. 

GO 🦅 BIRDS

Battle banned now? What the heck. Liberals here get away with not only talking about others, but mocking those who don’t agree. Support the right, you’re getting banned? Support the left, get away with a lot.

DE4173

Maybe you don't need to necessarily fly flags or have boat parades to be in a cult.

Gern Blansten

Lerxst1992 said:

battle1 said:

Tim Simmons said:

battle1 said:j

Tim Simmons said:

I guess you have a lot more faith in the system. And hopefully everything he is doing is bullshit and it doesn't affect the country in any meaningful way. 

I hope you are right. I am just more pessimistic about this.


But yes, thats what I gather from your stance. You believe people here are handwringing (and you would be right) and you think there is nothing to handwring about. 
 

I believe our system will prevail as always. Is that so hard to understand. By all means be pessimistic, thats your choice, along with the rest of the A Moving Trainwreck posse. Fear yourselves to death for all I care. And I will continue try to remind you all that America will always prevail through checks and balances. Now go back to the regularly scheduled mean orange bad guy coup rhetoric. 

I agree it will prevail and don’t subscribe to it being “the end of the republic”, but I do believe aspects of our society will be fundamentally changed and things will be worse than they have been for many Americans. I think that’s the palpable fear people here are sensing and posting about and they have every right to be worried. 

I agree that aspects will be fundamentally different, at least for the next 4 years. That’s extremely unfortunate, but again, I believe America will overcome. As always. Again, the select few Trainwreckers are posting well beyond “palpable fear”, in my humble opinion. But happy to see we ultimately agree on something and happy to see at least one other person around here believes in our checks and balances. 

GO 🦅 BIRDS

Battle banned now? What the heck. Liberals here get away with not only talking about others, but mocking those who don’t agree. Support the right, you’re getting banned? Support the left, get away with a lot.

uh...pay attention, he isn't a trumpster. Follow the rules or take a time out. Pretty clear.

Gern Blansten

josevolution said:

HughFreakingDillon said:

so when it comes to the president and the courts in a stand off, no matter what level of court, this is how it works as I understand it from this interview:

-court gives president an order
-president defies order
-court holds president in contempt
-DOJ is the enforcement mechanism that would deploy marshals to enforce order (whatever that may look like)
-head of DOJ is a Trump lapdog, refuses to deploy marshals to enforce order
-president does whatever the fuck he wants

look, the founders did an amazing job with the initial setup, tried the best they could to separate powers, but holy mothereverloving fuck, they obviously did not bet on the president being a guy like trump. 

oh, but look, it's beautiful outside today, america still stands. nothing to worry about here. JFC

https://www.cnn.com/2025/02/10/politics/video/toobin-what-if-trump-defies-federal-judge-ac360-digvid?iid=cnn_buildContentRecirc_end_recirc

He’s daring the courts to try stop him

That's really what it has come down to. He's attempting to destroy the checks and balances of the two other branches. He seems to have successfully destroyed the legislative branch. Judicial is next.