End of the American Republic?

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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,664
    you can't unpardon someone, can you?
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,445
    you can't unpardon someone, can you?
    No.
    But watch him do it. The checks and balances are gone.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,664
    OnWis97 said:
    you can't unpardon someone, can you?
    No.
    But watch him do it. The checks and balances are gone.
    no DA or judge would order the arrest of someone who was previously pardoned and re-instate their sentence. And Trump is powerless with judges. It won't happen. 
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,577
    OnWis97 said:
    you can't unpardon someone, can you?
    No.
    But watch him do it. The checks and balances are gone.
    no DA or judge would order the arrest of someone who was previously pardoned and re-instate their sentence. And Trump is powerless with judges. It won't happen. 
    Powerless? He’s telling the judiciary to go fuck themselves as well as the adversarial system of justice. “Fuck you, I’m going to do what I want and you can’t stop me.” People detained without charge, people deported in violation of court orders and attacking and denigrating the justice system at the DOJ. Powerless.
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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,664
    OnWis97 said:
    you can't unpardon someone, can you?
    No.
    But watch him do it. The checks and balances are gone.
    no DA or judge would order the arrest of someone who was previously pardoned and re-instate their sentence. And Trump is powerless with judges. It won't happen. 
    Powerless? He’s telling the judiciary to go fuck themselves as well as the adversarial system of justice. “Fuck you, I’m going to do what I want and you can’t stop me.” People detained without charge, people deported in violation of court orders and attacking and denigrating the justice system at the DOJ. Powerless.
    let's say he orders a person's arrest. then they have to go before a judge. Every judge in the country would release that person immediately. 
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,953
    It's more like (to borrow a song title) the end of the world as we know it.  At least here in the U.S.   
    Anger abounds (much of it righteous, but still, so much anger, so little joy). 
    Rudeness abounds (yes, kindness is still a thing, but I've never know so much rude behavior.) 
    Tyranny abounds (but resistance is building.  The question is will it be a: enough and b: strong and tenacious enough?)
    "It's a sad and beautiful world"
    -Roberto Benigni











  • dignindignin Posts: 9,423
    U.S. could lose democracy status, says global watchdog
      
    Trump has escalated an authoritarian turn in last few days


    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-democracy-report-1.7486317

    Winning!!!
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,577
    dignin said:
    U.S. could lose democracy status, says global watchdog
      
    Trump has escalated an authoritarian turn in last few days


    https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-democracy-report-1.7486317

    Winning!!!
    It’s too late, waaaaaaay too late. From the report:

    The report adds an important caveat: this year's version does not including events in 2025, meaning it does not cover the start of Donald Trump's latest presidential term.

    But it refers to ongoing events in the U.S. as unprecedented, mentioning Trump pardoning 1,500 criminals who supported him; firing independent agency watchdogs without process; purging apolitical police and military brass; ignoring laws; and his unilaterally deleting federal programs, and even a whole organization, created by U.S. Congress.

    In the last few days alone, Trump has smashed past several new milestones. 

    He's just called his predecessor's pardons void and vacated. He gave a bitterly partisan speech at the Department of Justice, demanding the prosecution of the media and certain adversaries. He threatened numerous universities with sanctions. He invoked a 227-year-old war measures law during peacetime — for the first time ever — to deport accused gang members without due process. And, most importantly, when that deportation plan wound up in court, he may have — although it's still in dispute — defied a court order, cracking the ultimate constitutional safeguard.

    It's not just the scope of what Trump's done that has Lindberg envisioning the once-unthinkable: removing the U.S. from the democratic list and shifting it to the second-lowest tier among five, to a so-called electoral autocracy. It's also the speed. 

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,577
    And if you haven’t yet, you have to watch the speech COOTWH gave at DOJ that is linked within the posted article. Off the rails within 3 minutes of stepping up to the podium. Me thinks COOTWH was sampling some product. But hey, happy days are here again!
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,577
    Holy hell, 26 minutes in but in general? And some are afraid of Palestinian protesters? You, general you,  might want to wake up but I doubt you, general you, will.


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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,577
    He’ll be here for 1,404 days folks. Try the liver and onions and don’t forget to tip your waitress and bartender.
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  • ZodZod Posts: 10,790
    He’ll be here for 1,404 days folks. Try the liver and onions and don’t forget to tip your waitress and bartender.
    or longer?  Who is going to oppose him if attempts a 3rd term? 
  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,577
    You think it’s a one off? No big deal, eh? Welcome to the United States of Authoritarianism. Better wake up. No, you, general you, better wake the fuck up. Enter at your own risk.

    French scientist denied US entry after phone messages critical of Trump found

    France’s research minister said the scientist was traveling to Houston for a conference when his phone was searched

    France’s research minister said a French scientist was denied entry to the US this month after immigration officers at an airport searched his phone and found messages in which he had expressed criticism of the Trump administration.

    “I learned with concern that a French researcher” on assignment for the French National Center for Scientific Research (CNRS) “who was traveling to a conference near Houston was denied entry to the United States before being expelled”, Philippe Baptiste, France’s minister of higher education and research, said in a statement on Monday to Agence France-Presse published by Le Monde. “This measure was apparently taken by the American authorities because the researcher’s phone contained exchanges with colleagues and friends in which he expressed a personal opinion on the Trump administration’s research policy,” the minister added.

    “Freedom of opinion, free research, and academic freedom are values ​​that we will continue to proudly uphold. I will defend the right of all French researchers to be faithful to them, while respecting the law,” Baptiste said.

    A diplomatic source told the French news agency that the incident occurred on 9 March.

    Another AFP source said that US authorities accused the French researcher of “hateful and conspiratorial messages”. He was reportedly also informed of an FBI investigation, but told that “charges were dropped” before being expelled.

    The Department of Homeland Security did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

    The research minister, Baptiste, has been outspoken in his own criticism of the Trump administration, and Elon Musk, for making huge cuts to scientific research budgets.

    On the same day that the researcher was denied entry to the US, Baptiste published a letter calling on American researchers to relocate to France. “Many well-known researchers are already questioning their future in the United States,” he wrote. “We would naturally wish to welcome a certain number of them.”

    The next day, Baptiste posted a photograph of himself in a virtual meeting with a researcher at the University of Maryland School of Medicine who had decided to take up an invitation from Aix-Marseille University to welcome researchers who wish to leave the United States.

    On 12 March, Baptiste shared video on X, of a television appearance in which he deplored the way that research on health, climate, energy and AI “is being chainsawed in the United States”.

    In the same interview, Baptiste said that he had “heard Elon Musk say that the International Space Station should be shut down in 2027. Who are we talking about? The boss of SpaceX? The head of the American public administration? None of this makes any sense.”

    It was not immediately clear what conference the researcher who was denied entry to the US was planning to attend, but the 56th Lunar and Planetary Science Conference was held outside Houston from 10 to 14 March.

    https://apple.news/AyxaHZZEQR5ySub9oZgNTgg

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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,577
    There used to be a term. What was it? Let me think for a minute. Hmmmmmm? Its on the tip of my tongue. Yup, its coming back to me. It used to be a pretty popular phrase. What was it again? Oh yea, I know, "unAmerican." That's it! Un-American! UN-AMERICAN!

    From A Letter From An American:

    In a webcast on Monday, Trump ally Steve Bannon defended the deportations even if, as his guest said, they swept in “some gardener or something who’d never been in trouble.” Bannon replied: “ Big deal…. Maybe some people got caught up in it. Who knows?... I think they got everybody who was a bad guy, but guess what? If there's some innocent gardeners in there? Hey, tough break for a swell guy. That's where we stand.”

    Throughout our history, that is not where the laws of the United States, or the majority of its people, have stood.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,577
    Zod said:
    He’ll be here for 1,404 days folks. Try the liver and onions and don’t forget to tip your waitress and bartender.
    or longer?  Who is going to oppose him if attempts a 3rd term? 
    No one. Its too late.

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  • Spiritual_ChaosSpiritual_Chaos Posts: 31,066
    edited March 20
    When living in a country not being a threat to the world:

    Other Nordic countries are also once again at the top of the happiness rankings in the annual report published by the Wellbeing Research Centre at the University of Oxford. Besides Finland, Denmark, Iceland and Sweden remain the top four and in the same order.

    When living in a country being a threat to the world:

    When it comes to decreasing happiness — or growing unhappiness —the United States has dropped to its lowest-ever position at 24, having previously peaked at 11th place in 2012. 


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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,664
    When living in a country not being a threat to the world:

    Other Nordic countries are also once again at the top of the happiness rankings in the annual report published by the Wellbeing Research Centre at the University of Oxford. Besides Finland, Denmark, Iceland and Sweden remain the top four and in the same order.

    When living in a country being a threat to the world:

    When it comes to decreasing happiness — or growing unhappiness —the United States has dropped to its lowest-ever position at 24, having previously peaked at 11th place in 2012. 


    Some would only believe those rankings if the US was at the top. Oddly familiar to someone we know…
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,445
    "That's because the socialist governments convince these suckers that they're happy paying for each other's health care, driving vehicles that aren't even as tall as they are, and not having nearly half of the populace one missed paycheck from disaster. Soft."
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  • cblock4lifecblock4life Posts: 1,788
    All these people screaming at town halls.  Those who voted for Trump have no right saying anything.  They’re getting what they voted for.  
  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,445
    edited March 20
    All these people screaming at town halls.  Those who voted for Trump have no right saying anything.  They’re getting what they voted for.  
    They are getting what they voted for. Some of them (the ones not screaming at town halls; which I'd guess is most) love it. Others bought the absolute nonsense they hear from Twitter, OAN, Charlie Kirk, or whatever fearmongering misinformation source convinced them they were saving America.

    In any case, I don't want to absolve them of their responsibility, but aside from their first amendment right to say something (which I realize is not what you likely meant by "right") I'd argue that the more regret the better. I'm not particularly hopeful that this too shall pass, but without messages of regret and anger from his voters, the slim chance of getting out of this gets even slimmer.
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 42,717
    Following Press Secretary Leavitt’s stunning response to French MEP Raphaël Glucksmann’s statement that France should reclaim the Statue of Liberty because the US no longer upholds its original values, Glucksmann doubled down last night.

    Dear Americans,
    Since the White House press secretary is attacking me today, I wanted to tell you this:
    1. Our two people are intimately linked by History, the blood we shed and the passion for freedom we share, a passion symbolized by this Statue that was offered to the United States by France to honor your glorious Revolution.
    2. As the press secretary for this shameful Administration said: without your nation, France would have "spoken German." In my case, it goes further: I would simply not be here if hundreds of thousands of young Americans had not landed on our beaches in Normandy.
    3. Our gratitude to these heroes and their sacrifices is therefore eternal.
    4. But the America of these heroes fought against tyrants, it did not flatter them. It was the enemy of fascism, not the friend of Putin. It helped the resistance and didn't attack Zelensky.
    5. It celebrated science and didn't fire researchers for using banned words. It welcomed the persecuted and didn't target them.
    It was far, so far from what your current President does, says, and embodies.
    6. This America, faithful to the wonderful words inscribed on the Statue of Liberty, your America, is worth so much more than the betrayal of Ukraine and Europe, xenophobia, or obscurantism.
    7. We all in Europe love this nation to which we know we owe so much. It will rise again. You will rise again. We are counting on you.
    8. And it is precisely because I am petrified by Trump’s betrayal that I said yesterday in a rally that we could symbolically take back the Statue of Liberty if your government despised everything it symbolizes in your eyes, ours, and those of the world.
    It was a wake up call.
    9. No one, of course, will come and steal the Statue of Liberty.
    The statue is yours. But what it embodies belongs to everyone.
    And if the free world no longer interests your government, then we will take up the torch, here in Europe.
    10. Until we meet again in the fight for freedom and dignity, we will be the continuators of our shared history and the protectors of our treasure: more than a statue of copper and steel, the freedom it symbolizes.
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  • benjsbenjs Toronto, ON Posts: 9,249
    OnWis97 said:
    All these people screaming at town halls.  Those who voted for Trump have no right saying anything.  They’re getting what they voted for.  
    They are getting what they voted for. Some of them (the ones not screaming at town halls; which I'd guess is most) love it. Others bought the absolute nonsense they hear from Twitter, OAN, Charlie Kirk, or whatever fearmongering misinformation source convinced them they were saving America.

    In any case, I don't want to absolve them of their responsibility, but aside from their first amendment right to say something (which I realize is not what you likely meant by "right") I'd argue that the more regret the better. I'm not particularly hopeful that this too shall pass, but without messages of regret and anger from his voters, the slim chance of getting out of this gets even slimmer.
    Should Democratic politicians not be showing up at these Town Halls too? It’s a congregation of people pissed at Trump. You’d think that’d be a good opportunity to introduce Republicans to Democratic leadership. 
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  • OnWis97OnWis97 St. Paul, MN Posts: 5,445
    benjs said:
    OnWis97 said:
    All these people screaming at town halls.  Those who voted for Trump have no right saying anything.  They’re getting what they voted for.  
    They are getting what they voted for. Some of them (the ones not screaming at town halls; which I'd guess is most) love it. Others bought the absolute nonsense they hear from Twitter, OAN, Charlie Kirk, or whatever fearmongering misinformation source convinced them they were saving America.

    In any case, I don't want to absolve them of their responsibility, but aside from their first amendment right to say something (which I realize is not what you likely meant by "right") I'd argue that the more regret the better. I'm not particularly hopeful that this too shall pass, but without messages of regret and anger from his voters, the slim chance of getting out of this gets even slimmer.
    Should Democratic politicians not be showing up at these Town Halls too? It’s a congregation of people pissed at Trump. You’d think that’d be a good opportunity to introduce Republicans to Democratic leadership. 
    Good question. Maybe the ones savvy enough to come out ahead by talking (so, a few).
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  • mickeyratmickeyrat Posts: 42,717
    OnWis97 said:
    benjs said:
    OnWis97 said:
    All these people screaming at town halls.  Those who voted for Trump have no right saying anything.  They’re getting what they voted for.  
    They are getting what they voted for. Some of them (the ones not screaming at town halls; which I'd guess is most) love it. Others bought the absolute nonsense they hear from Twitter, OAN, Charlie Kirk, or whatever fearmongering misinformation source convinced them they were saving America.

    In any case, I don't want to absolve them of their responsibility, but aside from their first amendment right to say something (which I realize is not what you likely meant by "right") I'd argue that the more regret the better. I'm not particularly hopeful that this too shall pass, but without messages of regret and anger from his voters, the slim chance of getting out of this gets even slimmer.
    Should Democratic politicians not be showing up at these Town Halls too? It’s a congregation of people pissed at Trump. You’d think that’d be a good opportunity to introduce Republicans to Democratic leadership. 
    Good question. Maybe the ones savvy enough to come out ahead by talking (so, a few).

    good episode. some answers are efound here

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  • HughFreakingDillonHughFreakingDillon Winnipeg Posts: 38,664
    I said like two weeks ago France should de-gift the statue of liberty. lol
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,953
    I said like two weeks ago France should de-gift the statue of liberty. lol

    I've heard talk of that!
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,577
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    Let this sink in. From Letter From An American. You’re being warned. Careful what you say, post, what and who you oppose/support and who you associate with.

    Devlin Barrett of the New York Times reported today that lawyers in the Trump administration believe the 1798 Alien Enemies Act Trump used to deport migrants also permits federal agents to enter people’s homes without a warrant, an assault on the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution.
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  • Halifax2TheMaxHalifax2TheMax Posts: 40,577
    Also from Letter From An American. Elongitaint is visiting the pentagon today. Elongitaint owes a lot and depends on chiiiiiiina.

    Enjoy your March madness.

    Minnesota governor Tim Walz told Rachel Maddow tonight he was “speechless.” “I don’t know how to convey…how far out of the norm this is…. These are closely guarded secrets because our national and our global defense depends upon them…. I don’t understand where…are the Republicans? Where are Lindsay Grahams? Where are these people who know how this works? To not be terrified of where this is at…. Sharing our most guarded secrets on global conflict with a truly unstable private citizen who has no authority…. This is chilling…. Republican senators need to put a stop to this and pull this back.”

    And good luck with that last sentence. They’re all compromised. Every last, single, one of them.
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  • brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 42,953
    Let this sink in. From Letter From An American. You’re being warned. Careful what you say, post, whss ast you oppose/support and who you associate with.

    Devlin Barrett of the New York Times reported today that lawyers in the Trump administration believe the 1798 Alien Enemies Act Trump used to deport migrants also permits federal agents to enter people’s homes without a warrant, an assault on the Fourth Amendment to the Constitution.

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  • PJ_SoulPJ_Soul Vancouver, BC Posts: 50,224
    ‘Breakdown of rule of law’: McGill professor cancels trips to U.S. amid immigration crackdown


    America has officially become an authoritarian state as far as I'm concerned. Given my views, I'm at risk of being detained and deported if I go there.
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