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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,155
    mickeyrat said:
    They’re not supposed to know. This is a deliberate tactic to cover up and prevent the mass atrocities against non-combatant Palestinians from being broadcast in real time. Bibi and his apartheid state have unleashed the Zionist holocaust. Just wait.

    The world is watching.
    but most of the world is blindly pro israel in this situation, so it doesn't matter if the world is watching or not. israel is basically a rogue state at this point. it has already hit targets in other countries as well, with backing from the us.
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    static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    mickeyrat said:
    Israel: "Move south to safety.NOW!!!"

    also Israel : go ahead and commence bombing the south.

    https://apnews.com/article/northern-gaza-palestinians-israel-hamas-war-36109635f7bc90f403f0383d53a352e9   Fearing airstrikes and crowded shelters, Palestinians in north Gaza defy Israeli evacuation orders

     
    Fearing airstrikes and crowded shelters, Palestinians in north Gaza defy Israeli evacuation orders
    By SAMY MAGDY and WAFAA SHURAFA
    Today

    DEIR AL BALAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — Mahmoud Shalabi did not evacuate his home in northern Gaza despite the frightful Israeli warnings of a looming, far more brutal assault to come as it presses ahead with its war against the Hamas militant group.

    The Palestinian aid worker is among hundreds of thousands who have remained. Others who initially heeded the Israeli warnings to head south have returned to the territory's north, where Israel says it considers all those who stay possible “accomplices” of Hamas.

    Shalabi said leaving his home in Beit Lahia didn’t make sense considering the relentless bombardment of southern Gaza, where Israel has repeatedly urged the more than 1 million northern residents like him to seek refuge. The overcrowded shelters and shortages of water and food in the south played a part in their decisions, said Shalabi and others who remained.

    Risk death at home, or elsewhere in Gaza, they said.

    Leaving would be reasonable only if Israel stopped targeting the south, said Shalabi, who works for Medical Aid for Palestinians, a U.K.-based charity providing health services. “It doesn’t make sense to me that I should leave my home to go and get killed in a tent in the south of Gaza,” he said.

    The risks for those staying in the north are likely to rise exponentially in the event of an expected Israeli ground offensive, after two-and-a-half weeks of heavy bombardments have already claimed more than 6,500 lives in Gaza, according to the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry.

    With tens of thousands of troops massed along Israel's border with Gaza, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Wednesday Israel was preparing for a ground incursion. He refused to say when it would begin.

    Israeli military officials have said they are determined to crush Hamas in response to its brutal Oct. 7 attack on Israeli border communities, and the focus will be on the north, including Gaza City, where Israel says key Hamas assets, tunnels and bunkers are located.

    Some 350,000 Palestinians are still in northern Gaza, according to Israeli estimates. Military officials have repeatedly exhorted Palestinians to move south, but have not said whether the presence of a large number of civilians would be a factor in deciding whether to send in tanks and ground troops.

    Israel says it seeks to strike Hamas and doesn't target civilians, but Gaza health officials say many of those killed have been women and children. Those numbers are expected to climb with a ground offensive, which would likely see fierce fighting inside crowded urban areas.

    International rights groups have sharply criticized the Israeli evacuation orders, saying they cannot be considered effective warning to civilians, under the rules of international law, because of a lack of realistic options for those fleeing.

    “When the evacuation routes are bombed, when people north as well as south are caught up in hostilities, when the essentials for survival are lacking, and when there are no assurances for return, people are left with nothing but impossible choices,” said Lynn Hastings, the U.N. humanitarian coordinator for the Palestinian territories. “Nowhere is safe in Gaza.”

    Those staying put in the north are bracing for worse to come. They live among the ruins of once bustling neighborhoods while facing dire shortages of fuel, food and water amid looming hospital shutdowns.

    Services in the north have deteriorated since Israel’s evacuation order prompted at least 700,000 Palestinians to flee south. Most homes have no electricity, water or fuel.

    More than 1.4 million Gaza residents are now displaced across the narrow strip, out of a population of 2.3 million, and U.N. shelters are packed at triple their capacity, U.N. agencies say.

    In the north, entire neighborhoods have been reduced to rubble.

    "Everywhere there is debris, there are destroyed cars, there are destroyed houses. And it’s really difficult to get from one location to the other because there is no fuel,” Shalabi said.

    He said he walked for two hours to find a bakery still selling bread to feed his family of 10. Shop shelves are empty; residents are living on canned beans, pineapple, corn.

    The little fuel still available, often from private stockpiles, is sold for exorbitant prices. Some rent out small water pump motors, demanding 50 shekels ($12) an hour, a huge amount for the average Gaza resident.

    This week Shalabi ran out of cash, and scoured the blocks of dilapidated streets to find a functioning ATM. There were none.

    About 50,000 people are sheltering on the grounds of Shifa Hospital, Gaza's largest, in Gaza City. It is overwhelmed by a steady stream of wounded from airstrikes amid warnings that severe shortages of fuel, needed to power generators, could trigger a shutdown. No new fuel has been allowed into Gaza since the Oct. 7 raid.

    Still, many Palestinians are choosing to return north, tired of moving from place-to-place under Israeli fire as shelters become overcrowded and unlivable. U.N. monitors estimate 30,000 have returned.

    Ekhlas Ahmed, 24 and eight-months pregnant, was among them.

    A week ago, she fled Gaza City after repeated Israeli warnings to move south. She returned after the home she was sheltering in along with 14 other family members in the south was hit by an Israeli airstrike.

    “It was a residential building and they bombed it,” she said.

    Ahmed, who has a 4-year-old son, is hoping for a ceasefire.

    “I am very frightened. All of us are frightened,” she said.

    ___

    Magdy reported from Cairo. Associated Press writer Jack Jeffrey in Cairo contributed to this report.

    ___

    Find more of AP’s coverage at https://apnews.com/hub/israel-hamas-war


    Just Israel defending itself.


    Because Hamas of course didn’t follow the civilians to hide with them and under them.

    Keep it up, you must really want president trump back next year.
    is that the best ya got? threatening a return of president trump? lol.

    I wouldn’t laugh, he’s got yer electoral votes no problem. You really think Biden can take the swing states with liberals running around supporting the most extreme of Arab people? So extreme Egypt and Jordan don’t want their refugees? Keep laughing.
    news flash. trump will never be president again. wake up.
    He will if people like Lerxst vote for him to continue the unwavering support of wholesale slaughter of Gazans.
    Scio me nihil scire

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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,697
    static111 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Israel: "Move south to safety.NOW!!!"

    also Israel : go ahead and commence bombing the south.

    https://apnews.com/article/northern-gaza-palestinians-israel-hamas-war-36109635f7bc90f403f0383d53a352e9   Fearing airstrikes and crowded shelters, Palestinians in north Gaza defy Israeli evacuation orders

     
    Fearing airstrikes and crowded shelters, Palestinians in north Gaza defy Israeli evacuation orders
    By SAMY MAGDY and WAFAA SHURAFA
    Today

    DEIR AL BALAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — Mahmoud Shalabi did not evacuate his home in northern Gaza despite the frightful Israeli warnings of a looming, far more brutal assault to come as it presses ahead with its war against the Hamas militant group.

    The Palestinian aid worker is among hundreds of thousands who have remained. Others who initially heeded the Israeli warnings to head south have returned to the territory's north, where Israel says it considers all those who stay possible “accomplices” of Hamas.

    Shalabi said leaving his home in Beit Lahia didn’t make sense considering the relentless bombardment of southern Gaza, where Israel has repeatedly urged the more than 1 million northern residents like him to seek refuge. The overcrowded shelters and shortages of water and food in the south played a part in their decisions, said Shalabi and others who remained.

    Risk death at home, or elsewhere in Gaza, they said.

    Leaving would be reasonable only if Israel stopped targeting the south, said Shalabi, who works for Medical Aid for Palestinians, a U.K.-based charity providing health services. “It doesn’t make sense to me that I should leave my home to go and get killed in a tent in the south of Gaza,” he said.

    The risks for those staying in the north are likely to rise exponentially in the event of an expected Israeli ground offensive, after two-and-a-half weeks of heavy bombardments have already claimed more than 6,500 lives in Gaza, according to the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry.

    With tens of thousands of troops massed along Israel's border with Gaza, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Wednesday Israel was preparing for a ground incursion. He refused to say when it would begin.

    Israeli military officials have said they are determined to crush Hamas in response to its brutal Oct. 7 attack on Israeli border communities, and the focus will be on the north, including Gaza City, where Israel says key Hamas assets, tunnels and bunkers are located.

    Some 350,000 Palestinians are still in northern Gaza, according to Israeli estimates. Military officials have repeatedly exhorted Palestinians to move south, but have not said whether the presence of a large number of civilians would be a factor in deciding whether to send in tanks and ground troops.

    Israel says it seeks to strike Hamas and doesn't target civilians, but Gaza health officials say many of those killed have been women and children. Those numbers are expected to climb with a ground offensive, which would likely see fierce fighting inside crowded urban areas.

    International rights groups have sharply criticized the Israeli evacuation orders, saying they cannot be considered effective warning to civilians, under the rules of international law, because of a lack of realistic options for those fleeing.

    “When the evacuation routes are bombed, when people north as well as south are caught up in hostilities, when the essentials for survival are lacking, and when there are no assurances for return, people are left with nothing but impossible choices,” said Lynn Hastings, the U.N. humanitarian coordinator for the Palestinian territories. “Nowhere is safe in Gaza.”

    Those staying put in the north are bracing for worse to come. They live among the ruins of once bustling neighborhoods while facing dire shortages of fuel, food and water amid looming hospital shutdowns.

    Services in the north have deteriorated since Israel’s evacuation order prompted at least 700,000 Palestinians to flee south. Most homes have no electricity, water or fuel.

    More than 1.4 million Gaza residents are now displaced across the narrow strip, out of a population of 2.3 million, and U.N. shelters are packed at triple their capacity, U.N. agencies say.

    In the north, entire neighborhoods have been reduced to rubble.

    "Everywhere there is debris, there are destroyed cars, there are destroyed houses. And it’s really difficult to get from one location to the other because there is no fuel,” Shalabi said.

    He said he walked for two hours to find a bakery still selling bread to feed his family of 10. Shop shelves are empty; residents are living on canned beans, pineapple, corn.

    The little fuel still available, often from private stockpiles, is sold for exorbitant prices. Some rent out small water pump motors, demanding 50 shekels ($12) an hour, a huge amount for the average Gaza resident.

    This week Shalabi ran out of cash, and scoured the blocks of dilapidated streets to find a functioning ATM. There were none.

    About 50,000 people are sheltering on the grounds of Shifa Hospital, Gaza's largest, in Gaza City. It is overwhelmed by a steady stream of wounded from airstrikes amid warnings that severe shortages of fuel, needed to power generators, could trigger a shutdown. No new fuel has been allowed into Gaza since the Oct. 7 raid.

    Still, many Palestinians are choosing to return north, tired of moving from place-to-place under Israeli fire as shelters become overcrowded and unlivable. U.N. monitors estimate 30,000 have returned.

    Ekhlas Ahmed, 24 and eight-months pregnant, was among them.

    A week ago, she fled Gaza City after repeated Israeli warnings to move south. She returned after the home she was sheltering in along with 14 other family members in the south was hit by an Israeli airstrike.

    “It was a residential building and they bombed it,” she said.

    Ahmed, who has a 4-year-old son, is hoping for a ceasefire.

    “I am very frightened. All of us are frightened,” she said.

    ___

    Magdy reported from Cairo. Associated Press writer Jack Jeffrey in Cairo contributed to this report.

    ___

    Find more of AP’s coverage at https://apnews.com/hub/israel-hamas-war


    Just Israel defending itself.


    Because Hamas of course didn’t follow the civilians to hide with them and under them.

    Keep it up, you must really want president trump back next year.
    is that the best ya got? threatening a return of president trump? lol.

    I wouldn’t laugh, he’s got yer electoral votes no problem. You really think Biden can take the swing states with liberals running around supporting the most extreme of Arab people? So extreme Egypt and Jordan don’t want their refugees? Keep laughing.
    news flash. trump will never be president again. wake up.
    He will if people like Lerxst vote for him to continue the unwavering support of wholesale slaughter of Gazans.

    Part of me thinks there is no way Trump will get elected as president again and part of me is concerned that it might happen, but as hard as it is to fathom, he is, after all, leading the GOP pack at this early stage.  I hope gimme is right-  I'd really really really like to be confident that he is right
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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,726
    static111 said:

    One simple inescapable truth the one way the devastating horror pictured above doesn’t happen. That’s if all Palestinians recognized Israel’s right to exist in peace Oct 7.

    Did you also support the 9/11 terrorists? I was on Manhattan island 8.46am on 9/11. Please don’t lecture me that Oct 7th wasn’t cold blooded terrorism targeting women, children and the elderly.
    nobody here is saying what hamas did is NOT terrorism. stop putting words in everyone's mouths. what you are doing is blaming all palestinians for hamas' actions, and justifying israel's overwhelming response targeting civilians. this is the same thing the US did with afghanistan and then pivoting to iraq. 19 people carried out 9/11 and because of that we killed nearly 1 million iraqis. did you support that too?

    AND most of those 19 were Saudi....
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,155
    edited October 2023
    mickeyrat said:
    static111 said:

    One simple inescapable truth the one way the devastating horror pictured above doesn’t happen. That’s if all Palestinians recognized Israel’s right to exist in peace Oct 7.

    Did you also support the 9/11 terrorists? I was on Manhattan island 8.46am on 9/11. Please don’t lecture me that Oct 7th wasn’t cold blooded terrorism targeting women, children and the elderly.
    nobody here is saying what hamas did is NOT terrorism. stop putting words in everyone's mouths. what you are doing is blaming all palestinians for hamas' actions, and justifying israel's overwhelming response targeting civilians. this is the same thing the US did with afghanistan and then pivoting to iraq. 19 people carried out 9/11 and because of that we killed nearly 1 million iraqis. did you support that too?

    AND most of those 19 were Saudi....
    yep, i forgot to add that part. we did nothing to the saudis after 9/11 even though we knew they were saudi nationals. 

    by lerxs' rationale and what he has said about the israel/hamas conflict, we should have flattened saudi arabia based on the actions of 19 people.
    Post edited by gimmesometruth27 on
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,155
    brianlux said:
    static111 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Israel: "Move south to safety.NOW!!!"

    also Israel : go ahead and commence bombing the south.

    https://apnews.com/article/northern-gaza-palestinians-israel-hamas-war-36109635f7bc90f403f0383d53a352e9   Fearing airstrikes and crowded shelters, Palestinians in north Gaza defy Israeli evacuation orders

     
    Fearing airstrikes and crowded shelters, Palestinians in north Gaza defy Israeli evacuation orders
    By SAMY MAGDY and WAFAA SHURAFA
    Today

    DEIR AL BALAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — Mahmoud Shalabi did not evacuate his home in northern Gaza despite the frightful Israeli warnings of a looming, far more brutal assault to come as it presses ahead with its war against the Hamas militant group.

    The Palestinian aid worker is among hundreds of thousands who have remained. Others who initially heeded the Israeli warnings to head south have returned to the territory's north, where Israel says it considers all those who stay possible “accomplices” of Hamas.

    Shalabi said leaving his home in Beit Lahia didn’t make sense considering the relentless bombardment of southern Gaza, where Israel has repeatedly urged the more than 1 million northern residents like him to seek refuge. The overcrowded shelters and shortages of water and food in the south played a part in their decisions, said Shalabi and others who remained.

    Risk death at home, or elsewhere in Gaza, they said.

    Leaving would be reasonable only if Israel stopped targeting the south, said Shalabi, who works for Medical Aid for Palestinians, a U.K.-based charity providing health services. “It doesn’t make sense to me that I should leave my home to go and get killed in a tent in the south of Gaza,” he said.

    The risks for those staying in the north are likely to rise exponentially in the event of an expected Israeli ground offensive, after two-and-a-half weeks of heavy bombardments have already claimed more than 6,500 lives in Gaza, according to the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry.

    With tens of thousands of troops massed along Israel's border with Gaza, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Wednesday Israel was preparing for a ground incursion. He refused to say when it would begin.

    Israeli military officials have said they are determined to crush Hamas in response to its brutal Oct. 7 attack on Israeli border communities, and the focus will be on the north, including Gaza City, where Israel says key Hamas assets, tunnels and bunkers are located.

    Some 350,000 Palestinians are still in northern Gaza, according to Israeli estimates. Military officials have repeatedly exhorted Palestinians to move south, but have not said whether the presence of a large number of civilians would be a factor in deciding whether to send in tanks and ground troops.

    Israel says it seeks to strike Hamas and doesn't target civilians, but Gaza health officials say many of those killed have been women and children. Those numbers are expected to climb with a ground offensive, which would likely see fierce fighting inside crowded urban areas.

    International rights groups have sharply criticized the Israeli evacuation orders, saying they cannot be considered effective warning to civilians, under the rules of international law, because of a lack of realistic options for those fleeing.

    “When the evacuation routes are bombed, when people north as well as south are caught up in hostilities, when the essentials for survival are lacking, and when there are no assurances for return, people are left with nothing but impossible choices,” said Lynn Hastings, the U.N. humanitarian coordinator for the Palestinian territories. “Nowhere is safe in Gaza.”

    Those staying put in the north are bracing for worse to come. They live among the ruins of once bustling neighborhoods while facing dire shortages of fuel, food and water amid looming hospital shutdowns.

    Services in the north have deteriorated since Israel’s evacuation order prompted at least 700,000 Palestinians to flee south. Most homes have no electricity, water or fuel.

    More than 1.4 million Gaza residents are now displaced across the narrow strip, out of a population of 2.3 million, and U.N. shelters are packed at triple their capacity, U.N. agencies say.

    In the north, entire neighborhoods have been reduced to rubble.

    "Everywhere there is debris, there are destroyed cars, there are destroyed houses. And it’s really difficult to get from one location to the other because there is no fuel,” Shalabi said.

    He said he walked for two hours to find a bakery still selling bread to feed his family of 10. Shop shelves are empty; residents are living on canned beans, pineapple, corn.

    The little fuel still available, often from private stockpiles, is sold for exorbitant prices. Some rent out small water pump motors, demanding 50 shekels ($12) an hour, a huge amount for the average Gaza resident.

    This week Shalabi ran out of cash, and scoured the blocks of dilapidated streets to find a functioning ATM. There were none.

    About 50,000 people are sheltering on the grounds of Shifa Hospital, Gaza's largest, in Gaza City. It is overwhelmed by a steady stream of wounded from airstrikes amid warnings that severe shortages of fuel, needed to power generators, could trigger a shutdown. No new fuel has been allowed into Gaza since the Oct. 7 raid.

    Still, many Palestinians are choosing to return north, tired of moving from place-to-place under Israeli fire as shelters become overcrowded and unlivable. U.N. monitors estimate 30,000 have returned.

    Ekhlas Ahmed, 24 and eight-months pregnant, was among them.

    A week ago, she fled Gaza City after repeated Israeli warnings to move south. She returned after the home she was sheltering in along with 14 other family members in the south was hit by an Israeli airstrike.

    “It was a residential building and they bombed it,” she said.

    Ahmed, who has a 4-year-old son, is hoping for a ceasefire.

    “I am very frightened. All of us are frightened,” she said.

    ___

    Magdy reported from Cairo. Associated Press writer Jack Jeffrey in Cairo contributed to this report.

    ___

    Find more of AP’s coverage at https://apnews.com/hub/israel-hamas-war


    Just Israel defending itself.


    Because Hamas of course didn’t follow the civilians to hide with them and under them.

    Keep it up, you must really want president trump back next year.
    is that the best ya got? threatening a return of president trump? lol.

    I wouldn’t laugh, he’s got yer electoral votes no problem. You really think Biden can take the swing states with liberals running around supporting the most extreme of Arab people? So extreme Egypt and Jordan don’t want their refugees? Keep laughing.
    news flash. trump will never be president again. wake up.
    He will if people like Lerxst vote for him to continue the unwavering support of wholesale slaughter of Gazans.

    Part of me thinks there is no way Trump will get elected as president again and part of me is concerned that it might happen, but as hard as it is to fathom, he is, after all, leading the GOP pack at this early stage.  I hope gimme is right-  I'd really really really like to be confident that he is right
    trump cannot win the popular vote, so he has to win the electoral vote in a small number of states. he will not have the popular turnout to swing those elections because he has not gained voters. he has lost millions of supporters. his hardcore supporters are old people that are dying off. the gop is not raising younger generations of voters, the younger voters are more liberal, so they would never vote gop. the gop is a dying party. they gave their party to trump, and he has driven it into the ground, like every single facet of all of his businesses. unless there is huge electoral interference, trump will never be president again. he cannot win it legitimately.
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,697
    brianlux said:
    static111 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Israel: "Move south to safety.NOW!!!"

    also Israel : go ahead and commence bombing the south.

    https://apnews.com/article/northern-gaza-palestinians-israel-hamas-war-36109635f7bc90f403f0383d53a352e9   Fearing airstrikes and crowded shelters, Palestinians in north Gaza defy Israeli evacuation orders

     
    Fearing airstrikes and crowded shelters, Palestinians in north Gaza defy Israeli evacuation orders
    By SAMY MAGDY and WAFAA SHURAFA
    Today

    DEIR AL BALAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — Mahmoud Shalabi did not evacuate his home in northern Gaza despite the frightful Israeli warnings of a looming, far more brutal assault to come as it presses ahead with its war against the Hamas militant group.

    The Palestinian aid worker is among hundreds of thousands who have remained. Others who initially heeded the Israeli warnings to head south have returned to the territory's north, where Israel says it considers all those who stay possible “accomplices” of Hamas.

    Shalabi said leaving his home in Beit Lahia didn’t make sense considering the relentless bombardment of southern Gaza, where Israel has repeatedly urged the more than 1 million northern residents like him to seek refuge. The overcrowded shelters and shortages of water and food in the south played a part in their decisions, said Shalabi and others who remained.

    Risk death at home, or elsewhere in Gaza, they said.

    Leaving would be reasonable only if Israel stopped targeting the south, said Shalabi, who works for Medical Aid for Palestinians, a U.K.-based charity providing health services. “It doesn’t make sense to me that I should leave my home to go and get killed in a tent in the south of Gaza,” he said.

    The risks for those staying in the north are likely to rise exponentially in the event of an expected Israeli ground offensive, after two-and-a-half weeks of heavy bombardments have already claimed more than 6,500 lives in Gaza, according to the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry.

    With tens of thousands of troops massed along Israel's border with Gaza, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Wednesday Israel was preparing for a ground incursion. He refused to say when it would begin.

    Israeli military officials have said they are determined to crush Hamas in response to its brutal Oct. 7 attack on Israeli border communities, and the focus will be on the north, including Gaza City, where Israel says key Hamas assets, tunnels and bunkers are located.

    Some 350,000 Palestinians are still in northern Gaza, according to Israeli estimates. Military officials have repeatedly exhorted Palestinians to move south, but have not said whether the presence of a large number of civilians would be a factor in deciding whether to send in tanks and ground troops.

    Israel says it seeks to strike Hamas and doesn't target civilians, but Gaza health officials say many of those killed have been women and children. Those numbers are expected to climb with a ground offensive, which would likely see fierce fighting inside crowded urban areas.

    International rights groups have sharply criticized the Israeli evacuation orders, saying they cannot be considered effective warning to civilians, under the rules of international law, because of a lack of realistic options for those fleeing.

    “When the evacuation routes are bombed, when people north as well as south are caught up in hostilities, when the essentials for survival are lacking, and when there are no assurances for return, people are left with nothing but impossible choices,” said Lynn Hastings, the U.N. humanitarian coordinator for the Palestinian territories. “Nowhere is safe in Gaza.”

    Those staying put in the north are bracing for worse to come. They live among the ruins of once bustling neighborhoods while facing dire shortages of fuel, food and water amid looming hospital shutdowns.

    Services in the north have deteriorated since Israel’s evacuation order prompted at least 700,000 Palestinians to flee south. Most homes have no electricity, water or fuel.

    More than 1.4 million Gaza residents are now displaced across the narrow strip, out of a population of 2.3 million, and U.N. shelters are packed at triple their capacity, U.N. agencies say.

    In the north, entire neighborhoods have been reduced to rubble.

    "Everywhere there is debris, there are destroyed cars, there are destroyed houses. And it’s really difficult to get from one location to the other because there is no fuel,” Shalabi said.

    He said he walked for two hours to find a bakery still selling bread to feed his family of 10. Shop shelves are empty; residents are living on canned beans, pineapple, corn.

    The little fuel still available, often from private stockpiles, is sold for exorbitant prices. Some rent out small water pump motors, demanding 50 shekels ($12) an hour, a huge amount for the average Gaza resident.

    This week Shalabi ran out of cash, and scoured the blocks of dilapidated streets to find a functioning ATM. There were none.

    About 50,000 people are sheltering on the grounds of Shifa Hospital, Gaza's largest, in Gaza City. It is overwhelmed by a steady stream of wounded from airstrikes amid warnings that severe shortages of fuel, needed to power generators, could trigger a shutdown. No new fuel has been allowed into Gaza since the Oct. 7 raid.

    Still, many Palestinians are choosing to return north, tired of moving from place-to-place under Israeli fire as shelters become overcrowded and unlivable. U.N. monitors estimate 30,000 have returned.

    Ekhlas Ahmed, 24 and eight-months pregnant, was among them.

    A week ago, she fled Gaza City after repeated Israeli warnings to move south. She returned after the home she was sheltering in along with 14 other family members in the south was hit by an Israeli airstrike.

    “It was a residential building and they bombed it,” she said.

    Ahmed, who has a 4-year-old son, is hoping for a ceasefire.

    “I am very frightened. All of us are frightened,” she said.

    ___

    Magdy reported from Cairo. Associated Press writer Jack Jeffrey in Cairo contributed to this report.

    ___

    Find more of AP’s coverage at https://apnews.com/hub/israel-hamas-war


    Just Israel defending itself.


    Because Hamas of course didn’t follow the civilians to hide with them and under them.

    Keep it up, you must really want president trump back next year.
    is that the best ya got? threatening a return of president trump? lol.

    I wouldn’t laugh, he’s got yer electoral votes no problem. You really think Biden can take the swing states with liberals running around supporting the most extreme of Arab people? So extreme Egypt and Jordan don’t want their refugees? Keep laughing.
    news flash. trump will never be president again. wake up.
    He will if people like Lerxst vote for him to continue the unwavering support of wholesale slaughter of Gazans.

    Part of me thinks there is no way Trump will get elected as president again and part of me is concerned that it might happen, but as hard as it is to fathom, he is, after all, leading the GOP pack at this early stage.  I hope gimme is right-  I'd really really really like to be confident that he is right
    trump cannot win the popular vote, so he has to win the electoral vote in a small number of states. he will not have the popular turnout to swing those elections because he has not gained voters. he has lost millions of supporters. his hardcore supporters are old people that are dying off. the gop is not raising younger generations of voters, the younger voters are more liberal, so they would never vote gop. the gop is a dying party. they gave their party to trump, and he has driven it into the ground, like every single facet of all of his businesses. unless there is huge electoral interference, trump will never be president again. he cannot win it legitimately.

    All sounds good to me, thanks.  I guess I have to stop reading things that get me paranoid else-wise!
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    Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,114
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    static111 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Israel: "Move south to safety.NOW!!!"

    also Israel : go ahead and commence bombing the south.

    https://apnews.com/article/northern-gaza-palestinians-israel-hamas-war-36109635f7bc90f403f0383d53a352e9   Fearing airstrikes and crowded shelters, Palestinians in north Gaza defy Israeli evacuation orders

     
    Fearing airstrikes and crowded shelters, Palestinians in north Gaza defy Israeli evacuation orders
    By SAMY MAGDY and WAFAA SHURAFA
    Today

    DEIR AL BALAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — Mahmoud Shalabi did not evacuate his home in northern Gaza despite the frightful Israeli warnings of a looming, far more brutal assault to come as it presses ahead with its war against the Hamas militant group.

    The Palestinian aid worker is among hundreds of thousands who have remained. Others who initially heeded the Israeli warnings to head south have returned to the territory's north, where Israel says it considers all those who stay possible “accomplices” of Hamas.

    Shalabi said leaving his home in Beit Lahia didn’t make sense considering the relentless bombardment of southern Gaza, where Israel has repeatedly urged the more than 1 million northern residents like him to seek refuge. The overcrowded shelters and shortages of water and food in the south played a part in their decisions, said Shalabi and others who remained.

    Risk death at home, or elsewhere in Gaza, they said.

    Leaving would be reasonable only if Israel stopped targeting the south, said Shalabi, who works for Medical Aid for Palestinians, a U.K.-based charity providing health services. “It doesn’t make sense to me that I should leave my home to go and get killed in a tent in the south of Gaza,” he said.

    The risks for those staying in the north are likely to rise exponentially in the event of an expected Israeli ground offensive, after two-and-a-half weeks of heavy bombardments have already claimed more than 6,500 lives in Gaza, according to the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry.

    With tens of thousands of troops massed along Israel's border with Gaza, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Wednesday Israel was preparing for a ground incursion. He refused to say when it would begin.

    Israeli military officials have said they are determined to crush Hamas in response to its brutal Oct. 7 attack on Israeli border communities, and the focus will be on the north, including Gaza City, where Israel says key Hamas assets, tunnels and bunkers are located.

    Some 350,000 Palestinians are still in northern Gaza, according to Israeli estimates. Military officials have repeatedly exhorted Palestinians to move south, but have not said whether the presence of a large number of civilians would be a factor in deciding whether to send in tanks and ground troops.

    Israel says it seeks to strike Hamas and doesn't target civilians, but Gaza health officials say many of those killed have been women and children. Those numbers are expected to climb with a ground offensive, which would likely see fierce fighting inside crowded urban areas.

    International rights groups have sharply criticized the Israeli evacuation orders, saying they cannot be considered effective warning to civilians, under the rules of international law, because of a lack of realistic options for those fleeing.

    “When the evacuation routes are bombed, when people north as well as south are caught up in hostilities, when the essentials for survival are lacking, and when there are no assurances for return, people are left with nothing but impossible choices,” said Lynn Hastings, the U.N. humanitarian coordinator for the Palestinian territories. “Nowhere is safe in Gaza.”

    Those staying put in the north are bracing for worse to come. They live among the ruins of once bustling neighborhoods while facing dire shortages of fuel, food and water amid looming hospital shutdowns.

    Services in the north have deteriorated since Israel’s evacuation order prompted at least 700,000 Palestinians to flee south. Most homes have no electricity, water or fuel.

    More than 1.4 million Gaza residents are now displaced across the narrow strip, out of a population of 2.3 million, and U.N. shelters are packed at triple their capacity, U.N. agencies say.

    In the north, entire neighborhoods have been reduced to rubble.

    "Everywhere there is debris, there are destroyed cars, there are destroyed houses. And it’s really difficult to get from one location to the other because there is no fuel,” Shalabi said.

    He said he walked for two hours to find a bakery still selling bread to feed his family of 10. Shop shelves are empty; residents are living on canned beans, pineapple, corn.

    The little fuel still available, often from private stockpiles, is sold for exorbitant prices. Some rent out small water pump motors, demanding 50 shekels ($12) an hour, a huge amount for the average Gaza resident.

    This week Shalabi ran out of cash, and scoured the blocks of dilapidated streets to find a functioning ATM. There were none.

    About 50,000 people are sheltering on the grounds of Shifa Hospital, Gaza's largest, in Gaza City. It is overwhelmed by a steady stream of wounded from airstrikes amid warnings that severe shortages of fuel, needed to power generators, could trigger a shutdown. No new fuel has been allowed into Gaza since the Oct. 7 raid.

    Still, many Palestinians are choosing to return north, tired of moving from place-to-place under Israeli fire as shelters become overcrowded and unlivable. U.N. monitors estimate 30,000 have returned.

    Ekhlas Ahmed, 24 and eight-months pregnant, was among them.

    A week ago, she fled Gaza City after repeated Israeli warnings to move south. She returned after the home she was sheltering in along with 14 other family members in the south was hit by an Israeli airstrike.

    “It was a residential building and they bombed it,” she said.

    Ahmed, who has a 4-year-old son, is hoping for a ceasefire.

    “I am very frightened. All of us are frightened,” she said.

    ___

    Magdy reported from Cairo. Associated Press writer Jack Jeffrey in Cairo contributed to this report.

    ___

    Find more of AP’s coverage at https://apnews.com/hub/israel-hamas-war


    Just Israel defending itself.


    Because Hamas of course didn’t follow the civilians to hide with them and under them.

    Keep it up, you must really want president trump back next year.
    is that the best ya got? threatening a return of president trump? lol.

    I wouldn’t laugh, he’s got yer electoral votes no problem. You really think Biden can take the swing states with liberals running around supporting the most extreme of Arab people? So extreme Egypt and Jordan don’t want their refugees? Keep laughing.
    news flash. trump will never be president again. wake up.
    He will if people like Lerxst vote for him to continue the unwavering support of wholesale slaughter of Gazans.

    Part of me thinks there is no way Trump will get elected as president again and part of me is concerned that it might happen, but as hard as it is to fathom, he is, after all, leading the GOP pack at this early stage.  I hope gimme is right-  I'd really really really like to be confident that he is right
    trump cannot win the popular vote, so he has to win the electoral vote in a small number of states. he will not have the popular turnout to swing those elections because he has not gained voters. he has lost millions of supporters. his hardcore supporters are old people that are dying off. the gop is not raising younger generations of voters, the younger voters are more liberal, so they would never vote gop. the gop is a dying party. they gave their party to trump, and he has driven it into the ground, like every single facet of all of his businesses. unless there is huge electoral interference, trump will never be president again. he cannot win it legitimately.

    All sounds good to me, thanks.  I guess I have to stop reading things that get me paranoid else-wise!
    That younger voter argument was first made with Obama in 2008. Voters 20 years old then will be 36 for this election. That’s a huge swath of the electorate, yet trump is polling as good as anyone else. He can’t win it legitimately? I wish the pollsters agreed




    Don’t like national polls? Hers a bunch of swing state polls with Biden ahead in one




    20 house Dems now support cease fire, Keep supporting Hamas, like somehow that will end the horrible killing of civilians. No, supporting Hamas will split the Dems and get trump elected. Why isn’t the world demanding hamas to immediate surrender? 

    If the world community wanted peace and to spare lives, everyone would demand the immediate surrender of Hamas. They started this war.


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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,286
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    static111 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Israel: "Move south to safety.NOW!!!"

    also Israel : go ahead and commence bombing the south.

    https://apnews.com/article/northern-gaza-palestinians-israel-hamas-war-36109635f7bc90f403f0383d53a352e9   Fearing airstrikes and crowded shelters, Palestinians in north Gaza defy Israeli evacuation orders

     
    Fearing airstrikes and crowded shelters, Palestinians in north Gaza defy Israeli evacuation orders
    By SAMY MAGDY and WAFAA SHURAFA
    Today

    DEIR AL BALAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — Mahmoud Shalabi did not evacuate his home in northern Gaza despite the frightful Israeli warnings of a looming, far more brutal assault to come as it presses ahead with its war against the Hamas militant group.

    The Palestinian aid worker is among hundreds of thousands who have remained. Others who initially heeded the Israeli warnings to head south have returned to the territory's north, where Israel says it considers all those who stay possible “accomplices” of Hamas.

    Shalabi said leaving his home in Beit Lahia didn’t make sense considering the relentless bombardment of southern Gaza, where Israel has repeatedly urged the more than 1 million northern residents like him to seek refuge. The overcrowded shelters and shortages of water and food in the south played a part in their decisions, said Shalabi and others who remained.

    Risk death at home, or elsewhere in Gaza, they said.

    Leaving would be reasonable only if Israel stopped targeting the south, said Shalabi, who works for Medical Aid for Palestinians, a U.K.-based charity providing health services. “It doesn’t make sense to me that I should leave my home to go and get killed in a tent in the south of Gaza,” he said.

    The risks for those staying in the north are likely to rise exponentially in the event of an expected Israeli ground offensive, after two-and-a-half weeks of heavy bombardments have already claimed more than 6,500 lives in Gaza, according to the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry.

    With tens of thousands of troops massed along Israel's border with Gaza, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Wednesday Israel was preparing for a ground incursion. He refused to say when it would begin.

    Israeli military officials have said they are determined to crush Hamas in response to its brutal Oct. 7 attack on Israeli border communities, and the focus will be on the north, including Gaza City, where Israel says key Hamas assets, tunnels and bunkers are located.

    Some 350,000 Palestinians are still in northern Gaza, according to Israeli estimates. Military officials have repeatedly exhorted Palestinians to move south, but have not said whether the presence of a large number of civilians would be a factor in deciding whether to send in tanks and ground troops.

    Israel says it seeks to strike Hamas and doesn't target civilians, but Gaza health officials say many of those killed have been women and children. Those numbers are expected to climb with a ground offensive, which would likely see fierce fighting inside crowded urban areas.

    International rights groups have sharply criticized the Israeli evacuation orders, saying they cannot be considered effective warning to civilians, under the rules of international law, because of a lack of realistic options for those fleeing.

    “When the evacuation routes are bombed, when people north as well as south are caught up in hostilities, when the essentials for survival are lacking, and when there are no assurances for return, people are left with nothing but impossible choices,” said Lynn Hastings, the U.N. humanitarian coordinator for the Palestinian territories. “Nowhere is safe in Gaza.”

    Those staying put in the north are bracing for worse to come. They live among the ruins of once bustling neighborhoods while facing dire shortages of fuel, food and water amid looming hospital shutdowns.

    Services in the north have deteriorated since Israel’s evacuation order prompted at least 700,000 Palestinians to flee south. Most homes have no electricity, water or fuel.

    More than 1.4 million Gaza residents are now displaced across the narrow strip, out of a population of 2.3 million, and U.N. shelters are packed at triple their capacity, U.N. agencies say.

    In the north, entire neighborhoods have been reduced to rubble.

    "Everywhere there is debris, there are destroyed cars, there are destroyed houses. And it’s really difficult to get from one location to the other because there is no fuel,” Shalabi said.

    He said he walked for two hours to find a bakery still selling bread to feed his family of 10. Shop shelves are empty; residents are living on canned beans, pineapple, corn.

    The little fuel still available, often from private stockpiles, is sold for exorbitant prices. Some rent out small water pump motors, demanding 50 shekels ($12) an hour, a huge amount for the average Gaza resident.

    This week Shalabi ran out of cash, and scoured the blocks of dilapidated streets to find a functioning ATM. There were none.

    About 50,000 people are sheltering on the grounds of Shifa Hospital, Gaza's largest, in Gaza City. It is overwhelmed by a steady stream of wounded from airstrikes amid warnings that severe shortages of fuel, needed to power generators, could trigger a shutdown. No new fuel has been allowed into Gaza since the Oct. 7 raid.

    Still, many Palestinians are choosing to return north, tired of moving from place-to-place under Israeli fire as shelters become overcrowded and unlivable. U.N. monitors estimate 30,000 have returned.

    Ekhlas Ahmed, 24 and eight-months pregnant, was among them.

    A week ago, she fled Gaza City after repeated Israeli warnings to move south. She returned after the home she was sheltering in along with 14 other family members in the south was hit by an Israeli airstrike.

    “It was a residential building and they bombed it,” she said.

    Ahmed, who has a 4-year-old son, is hoping for a ceasefire.

    “I am very frightened. All of us are frightened,” she said.

    ___

    Magdy reported from Cairo. Associated Press writer Jack Jeffrey in Cairo contributed to this report.

    ___

    Find more of AP’s coverage at https://apnews.com/hub/israel-hamas-war


    Just Israel defending itself.


    Because Hamas of course didn’t follow the civilians to hide with them and under them.

    Keep it up, you must really want president trump back next year.
    is that the best ya got? threatening a return of president trump? lol.

    I wouldn’t laugh, he’s got yer electoral votes no problem. You really think Biden can take the swing states with liberals running around supporting the most extreme of Arab people? So extreme Egypt and Jordan don’t want their refugees? Keep laughing.
    news flash. trump will never be president again. wake up.
    He will if people like Lerxst vote for him to continue the unwavering support of wholesale slaughter of Gazans.

    Part of me thinks there is no way Trump will get elected as president again and part of me is concerned that it might happen, but as hard as it is to fathom, he is, after all, leading the GOP pack at this early stage.  I hope gimme is right-  I'd really really really like to be confident that he is right
    trump cannot win the popular vote, so he has to win the electoral vote in a small number of states. he will not have the popular turnout to swing those elections because he has not gained voters. he has lost millions of supporters. his hardcore supporters are old people that are dying off. the gop is not raising younger generations of voters, the younger voters are more liberal, so they would never vote gop. the gop is a dying party. they gave their party to trump, and he has driven it into the ground, like every single facet of all of his businesses. unless there is huge electoral interference, trump will never be president again. he cannot win it legitimately.

    All sounds good to me, thanks.  I guess I have to stop reading things that get me paranoid else-wise!
    That younger voter argument was first made with Obama in 2008. Voters 20 years old then will be 36 for this election. That’s a huge swath of the electorate, yet trump is polling as good as anyone else. He can’t win it legitimately? I wish the pollsters agreed




    Don’t like national polls? Hers a bunch of swing state polls with Biden ahead in one




    20 house Dems now support cease fire, Keep supporting Hamas, like somehow that will end the horrible killing of civilians. No, supporting Hamas will split the Dems and get trump elected. Why isn’t the world demanding hamas to immediate surrender? 

    If the world community wanted peace and to spare lives, everyone would demand the immediate surrender of Hamas. They started this war.


    Hamas doesn’t care if the world burns down to the ground! 
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
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    static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    static111 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Israel: "Move south to safety.NOW!!!"

    also Israel : go ahead and commence bombing the south.

    https://apnews.com/article/northern-gaza-palestinians-israel-hamas-war-36109635f7bc90f403f0383d53a352e9   Fearing airstrikes and crowded shelters, Palestinians in north Gaza defy Israeli evacuation orders

     
    Fearing airstrikes and crowded shelters, Palestinians in north Gaza defy Israeli evacuation orders
    By SAMY MAGDY and WAFAA SHURAFA
    Today

    DEIR AL BALAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — Mahmoud Shalabi did not evacuate his home in northern Gaza despite the frightful Israeli warnings of a looming, far more brutal assault to come as it presses ahead with its war against the Hamas militant group.

    The Palestinian aid worker is among hundreds of thousands who have remained. Others who initially heeded the Israeli warnings to head south have returned to the territory's north, where Israel says it considers all those who stay possible “accomplices” of Hamas.

    Shalabi said leaving his home in Beit Lahia didn’t make sense considering the relentless bombardment of southern Gaza, where Israel has repeatedly urged the more than 1 million northern residents like him to seek refuge. The overcrowded shelters and shortages of water and food in the south played a part in their decisions, said Shalabi and others who remained.

    Risk death at home, or elsewhere in Gaza, they said.

    Leaving would be reasonable only if Israel stopped targeting the south, said Shalabi, who works for Medical Aid for Palestinians, a U.K.-based charity providing health services. “It doesn’t make sense to me that I should leave my home to go and get killed in a tent in the south of Gaza,” he said.

    The risks for those staying in the north are likely to rise exponentially in the event of an expected Israeli ground offensive, after two-and-a-half weeks of heavy bombardments have already claimed more than 6,500 lives in Gaza, according to the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry.

    With tens of thousands of troops massed along Israel's border with Gaza, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Wednesday Israel was preparing for a ground incursion. He refused to say when it would begin.

    Israeli military officials have said they are determined to crush Hamas in response to its brutal Oct. 7 attack on Israeli border communities, and the focus will be on the north, including Gaza City, where Israel says key Hamas assets, tunnels and bunkers are located.

    Some 350,000 Palestinians are still in northern Gaza, according to Israeli estimates. Military officials have repeatedly exhorted Palestinians to move south, but have not said whether the presence of a large number of civilians would be a factor in deciding whether to send in tanks and ground troops.

    Israel says it seeks to strike Hamas and doesn't target civilians, but Gaza health officials say many of those killed have been women and children. Those numbers are expected to climb with a ground offensive, which would likely see fierce fighting inside crowded urban areas.

    International rights groups have sharply criticized the Israeli evacuation orders, saying they cannot be considered effective warning to civilians, under the rules of international law, because of a lack of realistic options for those fleeing.

    “When the evacuation routes are bombed, when people north as well as south are caught up in hostilities, when the essentials for survival are lacking, and when there are no assurances for return, people are left with nothing but impossible choices,” said Lynn Hastings, the U.N. humanitarian coordinator for the Palestinian territories. “Nowhere is safe in Gaza.”

    Those staying put in the north are bracing for worse to come. They live among the ruins of once bustling neighborhoods while facing dire shortages of fuel, food and water amid looming hospital shutdowns.

    Services in the north have deteriorated since Israel’s evacuation order prompted at least 700,000 Palestinians to flee south. Most homes have no electricity, water or fuel.

    More than 1.4 million Gaza residents are now displaced across the narrow strip, out of a population of 2.3 million, and U.N. shelters are packed at triple their capacity, U.N. agencies say.

    In the north, entire neighborhoods have been reduced to rubble.

    "Everywhere there is debris, there are destroyed cars, there are destroyed houses. And it’s really difficult to get from one location to the other because there is no fuel,” Shalabi said.

    He said he walked for two hours to find a bakery still selling bread to feed his family of 10. Shop shelves are empty; residents are living on canned beans, pineapple, corn.

    The little fuel still available, often from private stockpiles, is sold for exorbitant prices. Some rent out small water pump motors, demanding 50 shekels ($12) an hour, a huge amount for the average Gaza resident.

    This week Shalabi ran out of cash, and scoured the blocks of dilapidated streets to find a functioning ATM. There were none.

    About 50,000 people are sheltering on the grounds of Shifa Hospital, Gaza's largest, in Gaza City. It is overwhelmed by a steady stream of wounded from airstrikes amid warnings that severe shortages of fuel, needed to power generators, could trigger a shutdown. No new fuel has been allowed into Gaza since the Oct. 7 raid.

    Still, many Palestinians are choosing to return north, tired of moving from place-to-place under Israeli fire as shelters become overcrowded and unlivable. U.N. monitors estimate 30,000 have returned.

    Ekhlas Ahmed, 24 and eight-months pregnant, was among them.

    A week ago, she fled Gaza City after repeated Israeli warnings to move south. She returned after the home she was sheltering in along with 14 other family members in the south was hit by an Israeli airstrike.

    “It was a residential building and they bombed it,” she said.

    Ahmed, who has a 4-year-old son, is hoping for a ceasefire.

    “I am very frightened. All of us are frightened,” she said.

    ___

    Magdy reported from Cairo. Associated Press writer Jack Jeffrey in Cairo contributed to this report.

    ___

    Find more of AP’s coverage at https://apnews.com/hub/israel-hamas-war


    Just Israel defending itself.


    Because Hamas of course didn’t follow the civilians to hide with them and under them.

    Keep it up, you must really want president trump back next year.
    is that the best ya got? threatening a return of president trump? lol.

    I wouldn’t laugh, he’s got yer electoral votes no problem. You really think Biden can take the swing states with liberals running around supporting the most extreme of Arab people? So extreme Egypt and Jordan don’t want their refugees? Keep laughing.
    news flash. trump will never be president again. wake up.
    He will if people like Lerxst vote for him to continue the unwavering support of wholesale slaughter of Gazans.

    Part of me thinks there is no way Trump will get elected as president again and part of me is concerned that it might happen, but as hard as it is to fathom, he is, after all, leading the GOP pack at this early stage.  I hope gimme is right-  I'd really really really like to be confident that he is right
    trump cannot win the popular vote, so he has to win the electoral vote in a small number of states. he will not have the popular turnout to swing those elections because he has not gained voters. he has lost millions of supporters. his hardcore supporters are old people that are dying off. the gop is not raising younger generations of voters, the younger voters are more liberal, so they would never vote gop. the gop is a dying party. they gave their party to trump, and he has driven it into the ground, like every single facet of all of his businesses. unless there is huge electoral interference, trump will never be president again. he cannot win it legitimately.

    All sounds good to me, thanks.  I guess I have to stop reading things that get me paranoid else-wise!
    That younger voter argument was first made with Obama in 2008. Voters 20 years old then will be 36 for this election. That’s a huge swath of the electorate, yet trump is polling as good as anyone else. He can’t win it legitimately? I wish the pollsters agreed




    Don’t like national polls? Hers a bunch of swing state polls with Biden ahead in one




    20 house Dems now support cease fire, Keep supporting Hamas, like somehow that will end the horrible killing of civilians. No, supporting Hamas will split the Dems and get trump elected. Why isn’t the world demanding hamas to immediate surrender? 

    If the world community wanted peace and to spare lives, everyone would demand the immediate surrender of Hamas. They started this war.


    Do you think all of the Palestinians being industrially murdered wholesale makes anyone safer?  Is there no moral cost for those lives lost bombing a refugee camp by a sovereign government, or are Israels hands clean for everything?
    Scio me nihil scire

    There are no kings inside the gates of eden
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,286
    static111 said:
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    static111 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Israel: "Move south to safety.NOW!!!"

    also Israel : go ahead and commence bombing the south.

    https://apnews.com/article/northern-gaza-palestinians-israel-hamas-war-36109635f7bc90f403f0383d53a352e9   Fearing airstrikes and crowded shelters, Palestinians in north Gaza defy Israeli evacuation orders

     
    Fearing airstrikes and crowded shelters, Palestinians in north Gaza defy Israeli evacuation orders
    By SAMY MAGDY and WAFAA SHURAFA
    Today

    DEIR AL BALAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — Mahmoud Shalabi did not evacuate his home in northern Gaza despite the frightful Israeli warnings of a looming, far more brutal assault to come as it presses ahead with its war against the Hamas militant group.

    The Palestinian aid worker is among hundreds of thousands who have remained. Others who initially heeded the Israeli warnings to head south have returned to the territory's north, where Israel says it considers all those who stay possible “accomplices” of Hamas.

    Shalabi said leaving his home in Beit Lahia didn’t make sense considering the relentless bombardment of southern Gaza, where Israel has repeatedly urged the more than 1 million northern residents like him to seek refuge. The overcrowded shelters and shortages of water and food in the south played a part in their decisions, said Shalabi and others who remained.

    Risk death at home, or elsewhere in Gaza, they said.

    Leaving would be reasonable only if Israel stopped targeting the south, said Shalabi, who works for Medical Aid for Palestinians, a U.K.-based charity providing health services. “It doesn’t make sense to me that I should leave my home to go and get killed in a tent in the south of Gaza,” he said.

    The risks for those staying in the north are likely to rise exponentially in the event of an expected Israeli ground offensive, after two-and-a-half weeks of heavy bombardments have already claimed more than 6,500 lives in Gaza, according to the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry.

    With tens of thousands of troops massed along Israel's border with Gaza, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Wednesday Israel was preparing for a ground incursion. He refused to say when it would begin.

    Israeli military officials have said they are determined to crush Hamas in response to its brutal Oct. 7 attack on Israeli border communities, and the focus will be on the north, including Gaza City, where Israel says key Hamas assets, tunnels and bunkers are located.

    Some 350,000 Palestinians are still in northern Gaza, according to Israeli estimates. Military officials have repeatedly exhorted Palestinians to move south, but have not said whether the presence of a large number of civilians would be a factor in deciding whether to send in tanks and ground troops.

    Israel says it seeks to strike Hamas and doesn't target civilians, but Gaza health officials say many of those killed have been women and children. Those numbers are expected to climb with a ground offensive, which would likely see fierce fighting inside crowded urban areas.

    International rights groups have sharply criticized the Israeli evacuation orders, saying they cannot be considered effective warning to civilians, under the rules of international law, because of a lack of realistic options for those fleeing.

    “When the evacuation routes are bombed, when people north as well as south are caught up in hostilities, when the essentials for survival are lacking, and when there are no assurances for return, people are left with nothing but impossible choices,” said Lynn Hastings, the U.N. humanitarian coordinator for the Palestinian territories. “Nowhere is safe in Gaza.”

    Those staying put in the north are bracing for worse to come. They live among the ruins of once bustling neighborhoods while facing dire shortages of fuel, food and water amid looming hospital shutdowns.

    Services in the north have deteriorated since Israel’s evacuation order prompted at least 700,000 Palestinians to flee south. Most homes have no electricity, water or fuel.

    More than 1.4 million Gaza residents are now displaced across the narrow strip, out of a population of 2.3 million, and U.N. shelters are packed at triple their capacity, U.N. agencies say.

    In the north, entire neighborhoods have been reduced to rubble.

    "Everywhere there is debris, there are destroyed cars, there are destroyed houses. And it’s really difficult to get from one location to the other because there is no fuel,” Shalabi said.

    He said he walked for two hours to find a bakery still selling bread to feed his family of 10. Shop shelves are empty; residents are living on canned beans, pineapple, corn.

    The little fuel still available, often from private stockpiles, is sold for exorbitant prices. Some rent out small water pump motors, demanding 50 shekels ($12) an hour, a huge amount for the average Gaza resident.

    This week Shalabi ran out of cash, and scoured the blocks of dilapidated streets to find a functioning ATM. There were none.

    About 50,000 people are sheltering on the grounds of Shifa Hospital, Gaza's largest, in Gaza City. It is overwhelmed by a steady stream of wounded from airstrikes amid warnings that severe shortages of fuel, needed to power generators, could trigger a shutdown. No new fuel has been allowed into Gaza since the Oct. 7 raid.

    Still, many Palestinians are choosing to return north, tired of moving from place-to-place under Israeli fire as shelters become overcrowded and unlivable. U.N. monitors estimate 30,000 have returned.

    Ekhlas Ahmed, 24 and eight-months pregnant, was among them.

    A week ago, she fled Gaza City after repeated Israeli warnings to move south. She returned after the home she was sheltering in along with 14 other family members in the south was hit by an Israeli airstrike.

    “It was a residential building and they bombed it,” she said.

    Ahmed, who has a 4-year-old son, is hoping for a ceasefire.

    “I am very frightened. All of us are frightened,” she said.

    ___

    Magdy reported from Cairo. Associated Press writer Jack Jeffrey in Cairo contributed to this report.

    ___

    Find more of AP’s coverage at https://apnews.com/hub/israel-hamas-war


    Just Israel defending itself.


    Because Hamas of course didn’t follow the civilians to hide with them and under them.

    Keep it up, you must really want president trump back next year.
    is that the best ya got? threatening a return of president trump? lol.

    I wouldn’t laugh, he’s got yer electoral votes no problem. You really think Biden can take the swing states with liberals running around supporting the most extreme of Arab people? So extreme Egypt and Jordan don’t want their refugees? Keep laughing.
    news flash. trump will never be president again. wake up.
    He will if people like Lerxst vote for him to continue the unwavering support of wholesale slaughter of Gazans.

    Part of me thinks there is no way Trump will get elected as president again and part of me is concerned that it might happen, but as hard as it is to fathom, he is, after all, leading the GOP pack at this early stage.  I hope gimme is right-  I'd really really really like to be confident that he is right
    trump cannot win the popular vote, so he has to win the electoral vote in a small number of states. he will not have the popular turnout to swing those elections because he has not gained voters. he has lost millions of supporters. his hardcore supporters are old people that are dying off. the gop is not raising younger generations of voters, the younger voters are more liberal, so they would never vote gop. the gop is a dying party. they gave their party to trump, and he has driven it into the ground, like every single facet of all of his businesses. unless there is huge electoral interference, trump will never be president again. he cannot win it legitimately.

    All sounds good to me, thanks.  I guess I have to stop reading things that get me paranoid else-wise!
    That younger voter argument was first made with Obama in 2008. Voters 20 years old then will be 36 for this election. That’s a huge swath of the electorate, yet trump is polling as good as anyone else. He can’t win it legitimately? I wish the pollsters agreed




    Don’t like national polls? Hers a bunch of swing state polls with Biden ahead in one




    20 house Dems now support cease fire, Keep supporting Hamas, like somehow that will end the horrible killing of civilians. No, supporting Hamas will split the Dems and get trump elected. Why isn’t the world demanding hamas to immediate surrender? 

    If the world community wanted peace and to spare lives, everyone would demand the immediate surrender of Hamas. They started this war.


    Do you think all of the Palestinians being industrially murdered wholesale makes anyone safer?  Is there no moral cost for those lives lost bombing a refugee camp by a sovereign government, or are Israels hands clean for everything?
    I believe hate just creates more hate a vicious cycle with no end in sight! I believe theirs an Israeli young man who just lost a family or friends that has total hate for all Palestinian citizens as I believe there’s a young Palestinian man who has just lost a family or friends that now just wants all Israeli citizens dead! It will not end 
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
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    JeBurkhardtJeBurkhardt Posts: 4,495
    static111 said:
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    static111 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Israel: "Move south to safety.NOW!!!"

    also Israel : go ahead and commence bombing the south.

    https://apnews.com/article/northern-gaza-palestinians-israel-hamas-war-36109635f7bc90f403f0383d53a352e9   Fearing airstrikes and crowded shelters, Palestinians in north Gaza defy Israeli evacuation orders

     
    Fearing airstrikes and crowded shelters, Palestinians in north Gaza defy Israeli evacuation orders
    By SAMY MAGDY and WAFAA SHURAFA
    Today

    DEIR AL BALAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — Mahmoud Shalabi did not evacuate his home in northern Gaza despite the frightful Israeli warnings of a looming, far more brutal assault to come as it presses ahead with its war against the Hamas militant group.

    The Palestinian aid worker is among hundreds of thousands who have remained. Others who initially heeded the Israeli warnings to head south have returned to the territory's north, where Israel says it considers all those who stay possible “accomplices” of Hamas.

    Shalabi said leaving his home in Beit Lahia didn’t make sense considering the relentless bombardment of southern Gaza, where Israel has repeatedly urged the more than 1 million northern residents like him to seek refuge. The overcrowded shelters and shortages of water and food in the south played a part in their decisions, said Shalabi and others who remained.

    Risk death at home, or elsewhere in Gaza, they said.

    Leaving would be reasonable only if Israel stopped targeting the south, said Shalabi, who works for Medical Aid for Palestinians, a U.K.-based charity providing health services. “It doesn’t make sense to me that I should leave my home to go and get killed in a tent in the south of Gaza,” he said.

    The risks for those staying in the north are likely to rise exponentially in the event of an expected Israeli ground offensive, after two-and-a-half weeks of heavy bombardments have already claimed more than 6,500 lives in Gaza, according to the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry.

    With tens of thousands of troops massed along Israel's border with Gaza, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Wednesday Israel was preparing for a ground incursion. He refused to say when it would begin.

    Israeli military officials have said they are determined to crush Hamas in response to its brutal Oct. 7 attack on Israeli border communities, and the focus will be on the north, including Gaza City, where Israel says key Hamas assets, tunnels and bunkers are located.

    Some 350,000 Palestinians are still in northern Gaza, according to Israeli estimates. Military officials have repeatedly exhorted Palestinians to move south, but have not said whether the presence of a large number of civilians would be a factor in deciding whether to send in tanks and ground troops.

    Israel says it seeks to strike Hamas and doesn't target civilians, but Gaza health officials say many of those killed have been women and children. Those numbers are expected to climb with a ground offensive, which would likely see fierce fighting inside crowded urban areas.

    International rights groups have sharply criticized the Israeli evacuation orders, saying they cannot be considered effective warning to civilians, under the rules of international law, because of a lack of realistic options for those fleeing.

    “When the evacuation routes are bombed, when people north as well as south are caught up in hostilities, when the essentials for survival are lacking, and when there are no assurances for return, people are left with nothing but impossible choices,” said Lynn Hastings, the U.N. humanitarian coordinator for the Palestinian territories. “Nowhere is safe in Gaza.”

    Those staying put in the north are bracing for worse to come. They live among the ruins of once bustling neighborhoods while facing dire shortages of fuel, food and water amid looming hospital shutdowns.

    Services in the north have deteriorated since Israel’s evacuation order prompted at least 700,000 Palestinians to flee south. Most homes have no electricity, water or fuel.

    More than 1.4 million Gaza residents are now displaced across the narrow strip, out of a population of 2.3 million, and U.N. shelters are packed at triple their capacity, U.N. agencies say.

    In the north, entire neighborhoods have been reduced to rubble.

    "Everywhere there is debris, there are destroyed cars, there are destroyed houses. And it’s really difficult to get from one location to the other because there is no fuel,” Shalabi said.

    He said he walked for two hours to find a bakery still selling bread to feed his family of 10. Shop shelves are empty; residents are living on canned beans, pineapple, corn.

    The little fuel still available, often from private stockpiles, is sold for exorbitant prices. Some rent out small water pump motors, demanding 50 shekels ($12) an hour, a huge amount for the average Gaza resident.

    This week Shalabi ran out of cash, and scoured the blocks of dilapidated streets to find a functioning ATM. There were none.

    About 50,000 people are sheltering on the grounds of Shifa Hospital, Gaza's largest, in Gaza City. It is overwhelmed by a steady stream of wounded from airstrikes amid warnings that severe shortages of fuel, needed to power generators, could trigger a shutdown. No new fuel has been allowed into Gaza since the Oct. 7 raid.

    Still, many Palestinians are choosing to return north, tired of moving from place-to-place under Israeli fire as shelters become overcrowded and unlivable. U.N. monitors estimate 30,000 have returned.

    Ekhlas Ahmed, 24 and eight-months pregnant, was among them.

    A week ago, she fled Gaza City after repeated Israeli warnings to move south. She returned after the home she was sheltering in along with 14 other family members in the south was hit by an Israeli airstrike.

    “It was a residential building and they bombed it,” she said.

    Ahmed, who has a 4-year-old son, is hoping for a ceasefire.

    “I am very frightened. All of us are frightened,” she said.

    ___

    Magdy reported from Cairo. Associated Press writer Jack Jeffrey in Cairo contributed to this report.

    ___

    Find more of AP’s coverage at https://apnews.com/hub/israel-hamas-war


    Just Israel defending itself.


    Because Hamas of course didn’t follow the civilians to hide with them and under them.

    Keep it up, you must really want president trump back next year.
    is that the best ya got? threatening a return of president trump? lol.

    I wouldn’t laugh, he’s got yer electoral votes no problem. You really think Biden can take the swing states with liberals running around supporting the most extreme of Arab people? So extreme Egypt and Jordan don’t want their refugees? Keep laughing.
    news flash. trump will never be president again. wake up.
    He will if people like Lerxst vote for him to continue the unwavering support of wholesale slaughter of Gazans.

    Part of me thinks there is no way Trump will get elected as president again and part of me is concerned that it might happen, but as hard as it is to fathom, he is, after all, leading the GOP pack at this early stage.  I hope gimme is right-  I'd really really really like to be confident that he is right
    trump cannot win the popular vote, so he has to win the electoral vote in a small number of states. he will not have the popular turnout to swing those elections because he has not gained voters. he has lost millions of supporters. his hardcore supporters are old people that are dying off. the gop is not raising younger generations of voters, the younger voters are more liberal, so they would never vote gop. the gop is a dying party. they gave their party to trump, and he has driven it into the ground, like every single facet of all of his businesses. unless there is huge electoral interference, trump will never be president again. he cannot win it legitimately.

    All sounds good to me, thanks.  I guess I have to stop reading things that get me paranoid else-wise!
    That younger voter argument was first made with Obama in 2008. Voters 20 years old then will be 36 for this election. That’s a huge swath of the electorate, yet trump is polling as good as anyone else. He can’t win it legitimately? I wish the pollsters agreed




    Don’t like national polls? Hers a bunch of swing state polls with Biden ahead in one




    20 house Dems now support cease fire, Keep supporting Hamas, like somehow that will end the horrible killing of civilians. No, supporting Hamas will split the Dems and get trump elected. Why isn’t the world demanding hamas to immediate surrender? 

    If the world community wanted peace and to spare lives, everyone would demand the immediate surrender of Hamas. They started this war.


    Do you think all of the Palestinians being industrially murdered wholesale makes anyone safer?  Is there no moral cost for those lives lost bombing a refugee camp by a sovereign government, or are Israels hands clean for everything?
    I believe hate just creates more hate a vicious cycle with no end in sight! I believe theirs an Israeli young man who just lost a family or friends that has total hate for all Palestinian citizens as I believe there’s a young Palestinian man who has just lost a family or friends that now just wants all Israeli citizens dead! It will not end 
    The illustration of a snake eating itself is appropriate for this. Every act of violence is motivated by a past event, which was motivated by a past event, which was motivated by a past event... So many innocent lives have been lost on both sides, it is sickening.
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    mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,000
    brianlux said:
    static111 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Israel: "Move south to safety.NOW!!!"

    also Israel : go ahead and commence bombing the south.

    https://apnews.com/article/northern-gaza-palestinians-israel-hamas-war-36109635f7bc90f403f0383d53a352e9   Fearing airstrikes and crowded shelters, Palestinians in north Gaza defy Israeli evacuation orders

     
    Fearing airstrikes and crowded shelters, Palestinians in north Gaza defy Israeli evacuation orders
    By SAMY MAGDY and WAFAA SHURAFA
    Today

    DEIR AL BALAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — Mahmoud Shalabi did not evacuate his home in northern Gaza despite the frightful Israeli warnings of a looming, far more brutal assault to come as it presses ahead with its war against the Hamas militant group.

    The Palestinian aid worker is among hundreds of thousands who have remained. Others who initially heeded the Israeli warnings to head south have returned to the territory's north, where Israel says it considers all those who stay possible “accomplices” of Hamas.

    Shalabi said leaving his home in Beit Lahia didn’t make sense considering the relentless bombardment of southern Gaza, where Israel has repeatedly urged the more than 1 million northern residents like him to seek refuge. The overcrowded shelters and shortages of water and food in the south played a part in their decisions, said Shalabi and others who remained.

    Risk death at home, or elsewhere in Gaza, they said.

    Leaving would be reasonable only if Israel stopped targeting the south, said Shalabi, who works for Medical Aid for Palestinians, a U.K.-based charity providing health services. “It doesn’t make sense to me that I should leave my home to go and get killed in a tent in the south of Gaza,” he said.

    The risks for those staying in the north are likely to rise exponentially in the event of an expected Israeli ground offensive, after two-and-a-half weeks of heavy bombardments have already claimed more than 6,500 lives in Gaza, according to the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry.

    With tens of thousands of troops massed along Israel's border with Gaza, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Wednesday Israel was preparing for a ground incursion. He refused to say when it would begin.

    Israeli military officials have said they are determined to crush Hamas in response to its brutal Oct. 7 attack on Israeli border communities, and the focus will be on the north, including Gaza City, where Israel says key Hamas assets, tunnels and bunkers are located.

    Some 350,000 Palestinians are still in northern Gaza, according to Israeli estimates. Military officials have repeatedly exhorted Palestinians to move south, but have not said whether the presence of a large number of civilians would be a factor in deciding whether to send in tanks and ground troops.

    Israel says it seeks to strike Hamas and doesn't target civilians, but Gaza health officials say many of those killed have been women and children. Those numbers are expected to climb with a ground offensive, which would likely see fierce fighting inside crowded urban areas.

    International rights groups have sharply criticized the Israeli evacuation orders, saying they cannot be considered effective warning to civilians, under the rules of international law, because of a lack of realistic options for those fleeing.

    “When the evacuation routes are bombed, when people north as well as south are caught up in hostilities, when the essentials for survival are lacking, and when there are no assurances for return, people are left with nothing but impossible choices,” said Lynn Hastings, the U.N. humanitarian coordinator for the Palestinian territories. “Nowhere is safe in Gaza.”

    Those staying put in the north are bracing for worse to come. They live among the ruins of once bustling neighborhoods while facing dire shortages of fuel, food and water amid looming hospital shutdowns.

    Services in the north have deteriorated since Israel’s evacuation order prompted at least 700,000 Palestinians to flee south. Most homes have no electricity, water or fuel.

    More than 1.4 million Gaza residents are now displaced across the narrow strip, out of a population of 2.3 million, and U.N. shelters are packed at triple their capacity, U.N. agencies say.

    In the north, entire neighborhoods have been reduced to rubble.

    "Everywhere there is debris, there are destroyed cars, there are destroyed houses. And it’s really difficult to get from one location to the other because there is no fuel,” Shalabi said.

    He said he walked for two hours to find a bakery still selling bread to feed his family of 10. Shop shelves are empty; residents are living on canned beans, pineapple, corn.

    The little fuel still available, often from private stockpiles, is sold for exorbitant prices. Some rent out small water pump motors, demanding 50 shekels ($12) an hour, a huge amount for the average Gaza resident.

    This week Shalabi ran out of cash, and scoured the blocks of dilapidated streets to find a functioning ATM. There were none.

    About 50,000 people are sheltering on the grounds of Shifa Hospital, Gaza's largest, in Gaza City. It is overwhelmed by a steady stream of wounded from airstrikes amid warnings that severe shortages of fuel, needed to power generators, could trigger a shutdown. No new fuel has been allowed into Gaza since the Oct. 7 raid.

    Still, many Palestinians are choosing to return north, tired of moving from place-to-place under Israeli fire as shelters become overcrowded and unlivable. U.N. monitors estimate 30,000 have returned.

    Ekhlas Ahmed, 24 and eight-months pregnant, was among them.

    A week ago, she fled Gaza City after repeated Israeli warnings to move south. She returned after the home she was sheltering in along with 14 other family members in the south was hit by an Israeli airstrike.

    “It was a residential building and they bombed it,” she said.

    Ahmed, who has a 4-year-old son, is hoping for a ceasefire.

    “I am very frightened. All of us are frightened,” she said.

    ___

    Magdy reported from Cairo. Associated Press writer Jack Jeffrey in Cairo contributed to this report.

    ___

    Find more of AP’s coverage at https://apnews.com/hub/israel-hamas-war


    Just Israel defending itself.


    Because Hamas of course didn’t follow the civilians to hide with them and under them.

    Keep it up, you must really want president trump back next year.
    is that the best ya got? threatening a return of president trump? lol.

    I wouldn’t laugh, he’s got yer electoral votes no problem. You really think Biden can take the swing states with liberals running around supporting the most extreme of Arab people? So extreme Egypt and Jordan don’t want their refugees? Keep laughing.
    news flash. trump will never be president again. wake up.
    He will if people like Lerxst vote for him to continue the unwavering support of wholesale slaughter of Gazans.

    Part of me thinks there is no way Trump will get elected as president again and part of me is concerned that it might happen, but as hard as it is to fathom, he is, after all, leading the GOP pack at this early stage.  I hope gimme is right-  I'd really really really like to be confident that he is right
    trump cannot win the popular vote, so he has to win the electoral vote in a small number of states. he will not have the popular turnout to swing those elections because he has not gained voters. he has lost millions of supporters. his hardcore supporters are old people that are dying off. the gop is not raising younger generations of voters, the younger voters are more liberal, so they would never vote gop. the gop is a dying party. they gave their party to trump, and he has driven it into the ground, like every single facet of all of his businesses. unless there is huge electoral interference, trump will never be president again. he cannot win it legitimately.
    Don't most polls show a tight race, and many giving Trump a slight lead? 
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    static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    static111 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Israel: "Move south to safety.NOW!!!"

    also Israel : go ahead and commence bombing the south.

    https://apnews.com/article/northern-gaza-palestinians-israel-hamas-war-36109635f7bc90f403f0383d53a352e9   Fearing airstrikes and crowded shelters, Palestinians in north Gaza defy Israeli evacuation orders

     
    Fearing airstrikes and crowded shelters, Palestinians in north Gaza defy Israeli evacuation orders
    By SAMY MAGDY and WAFAA SHURAFA
    Today

    DEIR AL BALAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — Mahmoud Shalabi did not evacuate his home in northern Gaza despite the frightful Israeli warnings of a looming, far more brutal assault to come as it presses ahead with its war against the Hamas militant group.

    The Palestinian aid worker is among hundreds of thousands who have remained. Others who initially heeded the Israeli warnings to head south have returned to the territory's north, where Israel says it considers all those who stay possible “accomplices” of Hamas.

    Shalabi said leaving his home in Beit Lahia didn’t make sense considering the relentless bombardment of southern Gaza, where Israel has repeatedly urged the more than 1 million northern residents like him to seek refuge. The overcrowded shelters and shortages of water and food in the south played a part in their decisions, said Shalabi and others who remained.

    Risk death at home, or elsewhere in Gaza, they said.

    Leaving would be reasonable only if Israel stopped targeting the south, said Shalabi, who works for Medical Aid for Palestinians, a U.K.-based charity providing health services. “It doesn’t make sense to me that I should leave my home to go and get killed in a tent in the south of Gaza,” he said.

    The risks for those staying in the north are likely to rise exponentially in the event of an expected Israeli ground offensive, after two-and-a-half weeks of heavy bombardments have already claimed more than 6,500 lives in Gaza, according to the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry.

    With tens of thousands of troops massed along Israel's border with Gaza, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Wednesday Israel was preparing for a ground incursion. He refused to say when it would begin.

    Israeli military officials have said they are determined to crush Hamas in response to its brutal Oct. 7 attack on Israeli border communities, and the focus will be on the north, including Gaza City, where Israel says key Hamas assets, tunnels and bunkers are located.

    Some 350,000 Palestinians are still in northern Gaza, according to Israeli estimates. Military officials have repeatedly exhorted Palestinians to move south, but have not said whether the presence of a large number of civilians would be a factor in deciding whether to send in tanks and ground troops.

    Israel says it seeks to strike Hamas and doesn't target civilians, but Gaza health officials say many of those killed have been women and children. Those numbers are expected to climb with a ground offensive, which would likely see fierce fighting inside crowded urban areas.

    International rights groups have sharply criticized the Israeli evacuation orders, saying they cannot be considered effective warning to civilians, under the rules of international law, because of a lack of realistic options for those fleeing.

    “When the evacuation routes are bombed, when people north as well as south are caught up in hostilities, when the essentials for survival are lacking, and when there are no assurances for return, people are left with nothing but impossible choices,” said Lynn Hastings, the U.N. humanitarian coordinator for the Palestinian territories. “Nowhere is safe in Gaza.”

    Those staying put in the north are bracing for worse to come. They live among the ruins of once bustling neighborhoods while facing dire shortages of fuel, food and water amid looming hospital shutdowns.

    Services in the north have deteriorated since Israel’s evacuation order prompted at least 700,000 Palestinians to flee south. Most homes have no electricity, water or fuel.

    More than 1.4 million Gaza residents are now displaced across the narrow strip, out of a population of 2.3 million, and U.N. shelters are packed at triple their capacity, U.N. agencies say.

    In the north, entire neighborhoods have been reduced to rubble.

    "Everywhere there is debris, there are destroyed cars, there are destroyed houses. And it’s really difficult to get from one location to the other because there is no fuel,” Shalabi said.

    He said he walked for two hours to find a bakery still selling bread to feed his family of 10. Shop shelves are empty; residents are living on canned beans, pineapple, corn.

    The little fuel still available, often from private stockpiles, is sold for exorbitant prices. Some rent out small water pump motors, demanding 50 shekels ($12) an hour, a huge amount for the average Gaza resident.

    This week Shalabi ran out of cash, and scoured the blocks of dilapidated streets to find a functioning ATM. There were none.

    About 50,000 people are sheltering on the grounds of Shifa Hospital, Gaza's largest, in Gaza City. It is overwhelmed by a steady stream of wounded from airstrikes amid warnings that severe shortages of fuel, needed to power generators, could trigger a shutdown. No new fuel has been allowed into Gaza since the Oct. 7 raid.

    Still, many Palestinians are choosing to return north, tired of moving from place-to-place under Israeli fire as shelters become overcrowded and unlivable. U.N. monitors estimate 30,000 have returned.

    Ekhlas Ahmed, 24 and eight-months pregnant, was among them.

    A week ago, she fled Gaza City after repeated Israeli warnings to move south. She returned after the home she was sheltering in along with 14 other family members in the south was hit by an Israeli airstrike.

    “It was a residential building and they bombed it,” she said.

    Ahmed, who has a 4-year-old son, is hoping for a ceasefire.

    “I am very frightened. All of us are frightened,” she said.

    ___

    Magdy reported from Cairo. Associated Press writer Jack Jeffrey in Cairo contributed to this report.

    ___

    Find more of AP’s coverage at https://apnews.com/hub/israel-hamas-war


    Just Israel defending itself.


    Because Hamas of course didn’t follow the civilians to hide with them and under them.

    Keep it up, you must really want president trump back next year.
    is that the best ya got? threatening a return of president trump? lol.

    I wouldn’t laugh, he’s got yer electoral votes no problem. You really think Biden can take the swing states with liberals running around supporting the most extreme of Arab people? So extreme Egypt and Jordan don’t want their refugees? Keep laughing.
    news flash. trump will never be president again. wake up.
    He will if people like Lerxst vote for him to continue the unwavering support of wholesale slaughter of Gazans.

    Part of me thinks there is no way Trump will get elected as president again and part of me is concerned that it might happen, but as hard as it is to fathom, he is, after all, leading the GOP pack at this early stage.  I hope gimme is right-  I'd really really really like to be confident that he is right
    trump cannot win the popular vote, so he has to win the electoral vote in a small number of states. he will not have the popular turnout to swing those elections because he has not gained voters. he has lost millions of supporters. his hardcore supporters are old people that are dying off. the gop is not raising younger generations of voters, the younger voters are more liberal, so they would never vote gop. the gop is a dying party. they gave their party to trump, and he has driven it into the ground, like every single facet of all of his businesses. unless there is huge electoral interference, trump will never be president again. he cannot win it legitimately.

    All sounds good to me, thanks.  I guess I have to stop reading things that get me paranoid else-wise!
    That younger voter argument was first made with Obama in 2008. Voters 20 years old then will be 36 for this election. That’s a huge swath of the electorate, yet trump is polling as good as anyone else. He can’t win it legitimately? I wish the pollsters agreed




    Don’t like national polls? Hers a bunch of swing state polls with Biden ahead in one




    20 house Dems now support cease fire, Keep supporting Hamas, like somehow that will end the horrible killing of civilians. No, supporting Hamas will split the Dems and get trump elected. Why isn’t the world demanding hamas to immediate surrender? 

    If the world community wanted peace and to spare lives, everyone would demand the immediate surrender of Hamas. They started this war.


    Funny have 20 dems come out in support of Hamas? has anyone come out in support of Hamas or is this another delusion?
    Scio me nihil scire

    There are no kings inside the gates of eden
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    mace1229mace1229 Posts: 9,000
    static111 said:
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    static111 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Israel: "Move south to safety.NOW!!!"

    also Israel : go ahead and commence bombing the south.

    https://apnews.com/article/northern-gaza-palestinians-israel-hamas-war-36109635f7bc90f403f0383d53a352e9   Fearing airstrikes and crowded shelters, Palestinians in north Gaza defy Israeli evacuation orders

     
    Fearing airstrikes and crowded shelters, Palestinians in north Gaza defy Israeli evacuation orders
    By SAMY MAGDY and WAFAA SHURAFA
    Today

    DEIR AL BALAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — Mahmoud Shalabi did not evacuate his home in northern Gaza despite the frightful Israeli warnings of a looming, far more brutal assault to come as it presses ahead with its war against the Hamas militant group.

    The Palestinian aid worker is among hundreds of thousands who have remained. Others who initially heeded the Israeli warnings to head south have returned to the territory's north, where Israel says it considers all those who stay possible “accomplices” of Hamas.

    Shalabi said leaving his home in Beit Lahia didn’t make sense considering the relentless bombardment of southern Gaza, where Israel has repeatedly urged the more than 1 million northern residents like him to seek refuge. The overcrowded shelters and shortages of water and food in the south played a part in their decisions, said Shalabi and others who remained.

    Risk death at home, or elsewhere in Gaza, they said.

    Leaving would be reasonable only if Israel stopped targeting the south, said Shalabi, who works for Medical Aid for Palestinians, a U.K.-based charity providing health services. “It doesn’t make sense to me that I should leave my home to go and get killed in a tent in the south of Gaza,” he said.

    The risks for those staying in the north are likely to rise exponentially in the event of an expected Israeli ground offensive, after two-and-a-half weeks of heavy bombardments have already claimed more than 6,500 lives in Gaza, according to the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry.

    With tens of thousands of troops massed along Israel's border with Gaza, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Wednesday Israel was preparing for a ground incursion. He refused to say when it would begin.

    Israeli military officials have said they are determined to crush Hamas in response to its brutal Oct. 7 attack on Israeli border communities, and the focus will be on the north, including Gaza City, where Israel says key Hamas assets, tunnels and bunkers are located.

    Some 350,000 Palestinians are still in northern Gaza, according to Israeli estimates. Military officials have repeatedly exhorted Palestinians to move south, but have not said whether the presence of a large number of civilians would be a factor in deciding whether to send in tanks and ground troops.

    Israel says it seeks to strike Hamas and doesn't target civilians, but Gaza health officials say many of those killed have been women and children. Those numbers are expected to climb with a ground offensive, which would likely see fierce fighting inside crowded urban areas.

    International rights groups have sharply criticized the Israeli evacuation orders, saying they cannot be considered effective warning to civilians, under the rules of international law, because of a lack of realistic options for those fleeing.

    “When the evacuation routes are bombed, when people north as well as south are caught up in hostilities, when the essentials for survival are lacking, and when there are no assurances for return, people are left with nothing but impossible choices,” said Lynn Hastings, the U.N. humanitarian coordinator for the Palestinian territories. “Nowhere is safe in Gaza.”

    Those staying put in the north are bracing for worse to come. They live among the ruins of once bustling neighborhoods while facing dire shortages of fuel, food and water amid looming hospital shutdowns.

    Services in the north have deteriorated since Israel’s evacuation order prompted at least 700,000 Palestinians to flee south. Most homes have no electricity, water or fuel.

    More than 1.4 million Gaza residents are now displaced across the narrow strip, out of a population of 2.3 million, and U.N. shelters are packed at triple their capacity, U.N. agencies say.

    In the north, entire neighborhoods have been reduced to rubble.

    "Everywhere there is debris, there are destroyed cars, there are destroyed houses. And it’s really difficult to get from one location to the other because there is no fuel,” Shalabi said.

    He said he walked for two hours to find a bakery still selling bread to feed his family of 10. Shop shelves are empty; residents are living on canned beans, pineapple, corn.

    The little fuel still available, often from private stockpiles, is sold for exorbitant prices. Some rent out small water pump motors, demanding 50 shekels ($12) an hour, a huge amount for the average Gaza resident.

    This week Shalabi ran out of cash, and scoured the blocks of dilapidated streets to find a functioning ATM. There were none.

    About 50,000 people are sheltering on the grounds of Shifa Hospital, Gaza's largest, in Gaza City. It is overwhelmed by a steady stream of wounded from airstrikes amid warnings that severe shortages of fuel, needed to power generators, could trigger a shutdown. No new fuel has been allowed into Gaza since the Oct. 7 raid.

    Still, many Palestinians are choosing to return north, tired of moving from place-to-place under Israeli fire as shelters become overcrowded and unlivable. U.N. monitors estimate 30,000 have returned.

    Ekhlas Ahmed, 24 and eight-months pregnant, was among them.

    A week ago, she fled Gaza City after repeated Israeli warnings to move south. She returned after the home she was sheltering in along with 14 other family members in the south was hit by an Israeli airstrike.

    “It was a residential building and they bombed it,” she said.

    Ahmed, who has a 4-year-old son, is hoping for a ceasefire.

    “I am very frightened. All of us are frightened,” she said.

    ___

    Magdy reported from Cairo. Associated Press writer Jack Jeffrey in Cairo contributed to this report.

    ___

    Find more of AP’s coverage at https://apnews.com/hub/israel-hamas-war


    Just Israel defending itself.


    Because Hamas of course didn’t follow the civilians to hide with them and under them.

    Keep it up, you must really want president trump back next year.
    is that the best ya got? threatening a return of president trump? lol.

    I wouldn’t laugh, he’s got yer electoral votes no problem. You really think Biden can take the swing states with liberals running around supporting the most extreme of Arab people? So extreme Egypt and Jordan don’t want their refugees? Keep laughing.
    news flash. trump will never be president again. wake up.
    He will if people like Lerxst vote for him to continue the unwavering support of wholesale slaughter of Gazans.

    Part of me thinks there is no way Trump will get elected as president again and part of me is concerned that it might happen, but as hard as it is to fathom, he is, after all, leading the GOP pack at this early stage.  I hope gimme is right-  I'd really really really like to be confident that he is right
    trump cannot win the popular vote, so he has to win the electoral vote in a small number of states. he will not have the popular turnout to swing those elections because he has not gained voters. he has lost millions of supporters. his hardcore supporters are old people that are dying off. the gop is not raising younger generations of voters, the younger voters are more liberal, so they would never vote gop. the gop is a dying party. they gave their party to trump, and he has driven it into the ground, like every single facet of all of his businesses. unless there is huge electoral interference, trump will never be president again. he cannot win it legitimately.

    All sounds good to me, thanks.  I guess I have to stop reading things that get me paranoid else-wise!
    That younger voter argument was first made with Obama in 2008. Voters 20 years old then will be 36 for this election. That’s a huge swath of the electorate, yet trump is polling as good as anyone else. He can’t win it legitimately? I wish the pollsters agreed




    Don’t like national polls? Hers a bunch of swing state polls with Biden ahead in one




    20 house Dems now support cease fire, Keep supporting Hamas, like somehow that will end the horrible killing of civilians. No, supporting Hamas will split the Dems and get trump elected. Why isn’t the world demanding hamas to immediate surrender? 

    If the world community wanted peace and to spare lives, everyone would demand the immediate surrender of Hamas. They started this war.


    Funny have 20 dems come out in support of Hamas? has anyone come out in support of Hamas or is this another delusion?
    I don't know about politicians. But when BLM posts this image the day after Hamas uses paragliders to drop in and murder hundreds of civilians and kidnap hundreds more, I'd say that is showing support for Hamas.

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    Isn’t it sweet of Egypt finally opened its border to a few select Palestinian’s the other day??  It sure is amusing how the Muslim world really don’t seem to want to help out the Palestinians much…Has any Arab country offered asylum to any of them?  I gotta be missing something.  
    Perhaps slow Joe and the dummies can learn a thing or 2 about securing a border like Egypt does.  You got a million Palestinians fleeing bombs and bloodshed getting pushed to the Egypt border, yet no crazy breeches by the crazy desperate people to their wall from what I saw. 
    Pretty impressive 
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    mace1229 said:
    static111 said:
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    static111 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Israel: "Move south to safety.NOW!!!"

    also Israel : go ahead and commence bombing the south.

    https://apnews.com/article/northern-gaza-palestinians-israel-hamas-war-36109635f7bc90f403f0383d53a352e9   Fearing airstrikes and crowded shelters, Palestinians in north Gaza defy Israeli evacuation orders

     
    Fearing airstrikes and crowded shelters, Palestinians in north Gaza defy Israeli evacuation orders
    By SAMY MAGDY and WAFAA SHURAFA
    Today

    DEIR AL BALAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — Mahmoud Shalabi did not evacuate his home in northern Gaza despite the frightful Israeli warnings of a looming, far more brutal assault to come as it presses ahead with its war against the Hamas militant group.

    The Palestinian aid worker is among hundreds of thousands who have remained. Others who initially heeded the Israeli warnings to head south have returned to the territory's north, where Israel says it considers all those who stay possible “accomplices” of Hamas.

    Shalabi said leaving his home in Beit Lahia didn’t make sense considering the relentless bombardment of southern Gaza, where Israel has repeatedly urged the more than 1 million northern residents like him to seek refuge. The overcrowded shelters and shortages of water and food in the south played a part in their decisions, said Shalabi and others who remained.

    Risk death at home, or elsewhere in Gaza, they said.

    Leaving would be reasonable only if Israel stopped targeting the south, said Shalabi, who works for Medical Aid for Palestinians, a U.K.-based charity providing health services. “It doesn’t make sense to me that I should leave my home to go and get killed in a tent in the south of Gaza,” he said.

    The risks for those staying in the north are likely to rise exponentially in the event of an expected Israeli ground offensive, after two-and-a-half weeks of heavy bombardments have already claimed more than 6,500 lives in Gaza, according to the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry.

    With tens of thousands of troops massed along Israel's border with Gaza, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Wednesday Israel was preparing for a ground incursion. He refused to say when it would begin.

    Israeli military officials have said they are determined to crush Hamas in response to its brutal Oct. 7 attack on Israeli border communities, and the focus will be on the north, including Gaza City, where Israel says key Hamas assets, tunnels and bunkers are located.

    Some 350,000 Palestinians are still in northern Gaza, according to Israeli estimates. Military officials have repeatedly exhorted Palestinians to move south, but have not said whether the presence of a large number of civilians would be a factor in deciding whether to send in tanks and ground troops.

    Israel says it seeks to strike Hamas and doesn't target civilians, but Gaza health officials say many of those killed have been women and children. Those numbers are expected to climb with a ground offensive, which would likely see fierce fighting inside crowded urban areas.

    International rights groups have sharply criticized the Israeli evacuation orders, saying they cannot be considered effective warning to civilians, under the rules of international law, because of a lack of realistic options for those fleeing.

    “When the evacuation routes are bombed, when people north as well as south are caught up in hostilities, when the essentials for survival are lacking, and when there are no assurances for return, people are left with nothing but impossible choices,” said Lynn Hastings, the U.N. humanitarian coordinator for the Palestinian territories. “Nowhere is safe in Gaza.”

    Those staying put in the north are bracing for worse to come. They live among the ruins of once bustling neighborhoods while facing dire shortages of fuel, food and water amid looming hospital shutdowns.

    Services in the north have deteriorated since Israel’s evacuation order prompted at least 700,000 Palestinians to flee south. Most homes have no electricity, water or fuel.

    More than 1.4 million Gaza residents are now displaced across the narrow strip, out of a population of 2.3 million, and U.N. shelters are packed at triple their capacity, U.N. agencies say.

    In the north, entire neighborhoods have been reduced to rubble.

    "Everywhere there is debris, there are destroyed cars, there are destroyed houses. And it’s really difficult to get from one location to the other because there is no fuel,” Shalabi said.

    He said he walked for two hours to find a bakery still selling bread to feed his family of 10. Shop shelves are empty; residents are living on canned beans, pineapple, corn.

    The little fuel still available, often from private stockpiles, is sold for exorbitant prices. Some rent out small water pump motors, demanding 50 shekels ($12) an hour, a huge amount for the average Gaza resident.

    This week Shalabi ran out of cash, and scoured the blocks of dilapidated streets to find a functioning ATM. There were none.

    About 50,000 people are sheltering on the grounds of Shifa Hospital, Gaza's largest, in Gaza City. It is overwhelmed by a steady stream of wounded from airstrikes amid warnings that severe shortages of fuel, needed to power generators, could trigger a shutdown. No new fuel has been allowed into Gaza since the Oct. 7 raid.

    Still, many Palestinians are choosing to return north, tired of moving from place-to-place under Israeli fire as shelters become overcrowded and unlivable. U.N. monitors estimate 30,000 have returned.

    Ekhlas Ahmed, 24 and eight-months pregnant, was among them.

    A week ago, she fled Gaza City after repeated Israeli warnings to move south. She returned after the home she was sheltering in along with 14 other family members in the south was hit by an Israeli airstrike.

    “It was a residential building and they bombed it,” she said.

    Ahmed, who has a 4-year-old son, is hoping for a ceasefire.

    “I am very frightened. All of us are frightened,” she said.

    ___

    Magdy reported from Cairo. Associated Press writer Jack Jeffrey in Cairo contributed to this report.

    ___

    Find more of AP’s coverage at https://apnews.com/hub/israel-hamas-war


    Just Israel defending itself.


    Because Hamas of course didn’t follow the civilians to hide with them and under them.

    Keep it up, you must really want president trump back next year.
    is that the best ya got? threatening a return of president trump? lol.

    I wouldn’t laugh, he’s got yer electoral votes no problem. You really think Biden can take the swing states with liberals running around supporting the most extreme of Arab people? So extreme Egypt and Jordan don’t want their refugees? Keep laughing.
    news flash. trump will never be president again. wake up.
    He will if people like Lerxst vote for him to continue the unwavering support of wholesale slaughter of Gazans.

    Part of me thinks there is no way Trump will get elected as president again and part of me is concerned that it might happen, but as hard as it is to fathom, he is, after all, leading the GOP pack at this early stage.  I hope gimme is right-  I'd really really really like to be confident that he is right
    trump cannot win the popular vote, so he has to win the electoral vote in a small number of states. he will not have the popular turnout to swing those elections because he has not gained voters. he has lost millions of supporters. his hardcore supporters are old people that are dying off. the gop is not raising younger generations of voters, the younger voters are more liberal, so they would never vote gop. the gop is a dying party. they gave their party to trump, and he has driven it into the ground, like every single facet of all of his businesses. unless there is huge electoral interference, trump will never be president again. he cannot win it legitimately.

    All sounds good to me, thanks.  I guess I have to stop reading things that get me paranoid else-wise!
    That younger voter argument was first made with Obama in 2008. Voters 20 years old then will be 36 for this election. That’s a huge swath of the electorate, yet trump is polling as good as anyone else. He can’t win it legitimately? I wish the pollsters agreed




    Don’t like national polls? Hers a bunch of swing state polls with Biden ahead in one




    20 house Dems now support cease fire, Keep supporting Hamas, like somehow that will end the horrible killing of civilians. No, supporting Hamas will split the Dems and get trump elected. Why isn’t the world demanding hamas to immediate surrender? 

    If the world community wanted peace and to spare lives, everyone would demand the immediate surrender of Hamas. They started this war.


    Funny have 20 dems come out in support of Hamas? has anyone come out in support of Hamas or is this another delusion?
    I don't know about politicians. But when BLM posts this image the day after Hamas uses paragliders to drop in and murder hundreds of civilians and kidnap hundreds more, I'd say that is showing support for Hamas.

    The domestic terrorist group BLM was the pride and joy of Progressives and social justice warriors during the George Floyd riots of 2020.  Loads of y’all supported this sham of an organization, and probably still do.  Here is a little tip, fentanyl is bad yo!!!
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    Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,114
    edited November 2023
    static111 said:
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    static111 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Israel: "Move south to safety.NOW!!!"

    also Israel : go ahead and commence bombing the south.

    https://apnews.com/article/northern-gaza-palestinians-israel-hamas-war-36109635f7bc90f403f0383d53a352e9   Fearing airstrikes and crowded shelters, Palestinians in north Gaza defy Israeli evacuation orders

     
    Fearing airstrikes and crowded shelters, Palestinians in north Gaza defy Israeli evacuation orders
    By SAMY MAGDY and WAFAA SHURAFA
    Today

    DEIR AL BALAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — Mahmoud Shalabi did not evacuate his home in northern Gaza despite the frightful Israeli warnings of a looming, far more brutal assault to come as it presses ahead with its war against the Hamas militant group.

    The Palestinian aid worker is among hundreds of thousands who have remained. Others who initially heeded the Israeli warnings to head south have returned to the territory's north, where Israel says it considers all those who stay possible “accomplices” of Hamas.

    Shalabi said leaving his home in Beit Lahia didn’t make sense considering the relentless bombardment of southern Gaza, where Israel has repeatedly urged the more than 1 million northern residents like him to seek refuge. The overcrowded shelters and shortages of water and food in the south played a part in their decisions, said Shalabi and others who remained.

    Risk death at home, or elsewhere in Gaza, they said.

    Leaving would be reasonable only if Israel stopped targeting the south, said Shalabi, who works for Medical Aid for Palestinians, a U.K.-based charity providing health services. “It doesn’t make sense to me that I should leave my home to go and get killed in a tent in the south of Gaza,” he said.

    The risks for those staying in the north are likely to rise exponentially in the event of an expected Israeli ground offensive, after two-and-a-half weeks of heavy bombardments have already claimed more than 6,500 lives in Gaza, according to the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry.

    With tens of thousands of troops massed along Israel's border with Gaza, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Wednesday Israel was preparing for a ground incursion. He refused to say when it would begin.

    Israeli military officials have said they are determined to crush Hamas in response to its brutal Oct. 7 attack on Israeli border communities, and the focus will be on the north, including Gaza City, where Israel says key Hamas assets, tunnels and bunkers are located.

    Some 350,000 Palestinians are still in northern Gaza, according to Israeli estimates. Military officials have repeatedly exhorted Palestinians to move south, but have not said whether the presence of a large number of civilians would be a factor in deciding whether to send in tanks and ground troops.

    Israel says it seeks to strike Hamas and doesn't target civilians, but Gaza health officials say many of those killed have been women and children. Those numbers are expected to climb with a ground offensive, which would likely see fierce fighting inside crowded urban areas.

    International rights groups have sharply criticized the Israeli evacuation orders, saying they cannot be considered effective warning to civilians, under the rules of international law, because of a lack of realistic options for those fleeing.

    “When the evacuation routes are bombed, when people north as well as south are caught up in hostilities, when the essentials for survival are lacking, and when there are no assurances for return, people are left with nothing but impossible choices,” said Lynn Hastings, the U.N. humanitarian coordinator for the Palestinian territories. “Nowhere is safe in Gaza.”

    Those staying put in the north are bracing for worse to come. They live among the ruins of once bustling neighborhoods while facing dire shortages of fuel, food and water amid looming hospital shutdowns.

    Services in the north have deteriorated since Israel’s evacuation order prompted at least 700,000 Palestinians to flee south. Most homes have no electricity, water or fuel.

    More than 1.4 million Gaza residents are now displaced across the narrow strip, out of a population of 2.3 million, and U.N. shelters are packed at triple their capacity, U.N. agencies say.

    In the north, entire neighborhoods have been reduced to rubble.

    "Everywhere there is debris, there are destroyed cars, there are destroyed houses. And it’s really difficult to get from one location to the other because there is no fuel,” Shalabi said.

    He said he walked for two hours to find a bakery still selling bread to feed his family of 10. Shop shelves are empty; residents are living on canned beans, pineapple, corn.

    The little fuel still available, often from private stockpiles, is sold for exorbitant prices. Some rent out small water pump motors, demanding 50 shekels ($12) an hour, a huge amount for the average Gaza resident.

    This week Shalabi ran out of cash, and scoured the blocks of dilapidated streets to find a functioning ATM. There were none.

    About 50,000 people are sheltering on the grounds of Shifa Hospital, Gaza's largest, in Gaza City. It is overwhelmed by a steady stream of wounded from airstrikes amid warnings that severe shortages of fuel, needed to power generators, could trigger a shutdown. No new fuel has been allowed into Gaza since the Oct. 7 raid.

    Still, many Palestinians are choosing to return north, tired of moving from place-to-place under Israeli fire as shelters become overcrowded and unlivable. U.N. monitors estimate 30,000 have returned.

    Ekhlas Ahmed, 24 and eight-months pregnant, was among them.

    A week ago, she fled Gaza City after repeated Israeli warnings to move south. She returned after the home she was sheltering in along with 14 other family members in the south was hit by an Israeli airstrike.

    “It was a residential building and they bombed it,” she said.

    Ahmed, who has a 4-year-old son, is hoping for a ceasefire.

    “I am very frightened. All of us are frightened,” she said.

    ___

    Magdy reported from Cairo. Associated Press writer Jack Jeffrey in Cairo contributed to this report.

    ___

    Find more of AP’s coverage at https://apnews.com/hub/israel-hamas-war


    Just Israel defending itself.


    Because Hamas of course didn’t follow the civilians to hide with them and under them.

    Keep it up, you must really want president trump back next year.
    is that the best ya got? threatening a return of president trump? lol.

    I wouldn’t laugh, he’s got yer electoral votes no problem. You really think Biden can take the swing states with liberals running around supporting the most extreme of Arab people? So extreme Egypt and Jordan don’t want their refugees? Keep laughing.
    news flash. trump will never be president again. wake up.
    He will if people like Lerxst vote for him to continue the unwavering support of wholesale slaughter of Gazans.

    Part of me thinks there is no way Trump will get elected as president again and part of me is concerned that it might happen, but as hard as it is to fathom, he is, after all, leading the GOP pack at this early stage.  I hope gimme is right-  I'd really really really like to be confident that he is right
    trump cannot win the popular vote, so he has to win the electoral vote in a small number of states. he will not have the popular turnout to swing those elections because he has not gained voters. he has lost millions of supporters. his hardcore supporters are old people that are dying off. the gop is not raising younger generations of voters, the younger voters are more liberal, so they would never vote gop. the gop is a dying party. they gave their party to trump, and he has driven it into the ground, like every single facet of all of his businesses. unless there is huge electoral interference, trump will never be president again. he cannot win it legitimately.

    All sounds good to me, thanks.  I guess I have to stop reading things that get me paranoid else-wise!
    That younger voter argument was first made with Obama in 2008. Voters 20 years old then will be 36 for this election. That’s a huge swath of the electorate, yet trump is polling as good as anyone else. He can’t win it legitimately? I wish the pollsters agreed




    Don’t like national polls? Hers a bunch of swing state polls with Biden ahead in one




    20 house Dems now support cease fire, Keep supporting Hamas, like somehow that will end the horrible killing of civilians. No, supporting Hamas will split the Dems and get trump elected. Why isn’t the world demanding hamas to immediate surrender? 

    If the world community wanted peace and to spare lives, everyone would demand the immediate surrender of Hamas. They started this war.


    Do you think all of the Palestinians being industrially murdered wholesale makes anyone safer?  Is there no moral cost for those lives lost bombing a refugee camp by a sovereign government, or are Israels hands clean for everything?
    I believe hate just creates more hate a vicious cycle with no end in sight! I believe theirs an Israeli young man who just lost a family or friends that has total hate for all Palestinian citizens as I believe there’s a young Palestinian man who has just lost a family or friends that now just wants all Israeli citizens dead! It will not end 
    The illustration of a snake eating itself is appropriate for this. Every act of violence is motivated by a past event, which was motivated by a past event, which was motivated by a past event... So many innocent lives have been lost on both sides, it is sickening.

    However one side and only one side repeatedly refuses to recognize the other sides right to exist peacefully as a sovereign nation. That step is needed for peace.

    I’d say the battle of Mosul is a better comparable to the current mess, especially to the claim the Palestinian people are not (edit, Hamas).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mosul_(2016%E2%80%932017)

    The US withdrew from Iraq in 2011, but the problem got worse and the ISIL needed to be dealt with years later.
    Post edited by Lerxst1992 on
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    static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    edited November 2023
    static111 said:
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    static111 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Israel: "Move south to safety.NOW!!!"

    also Israel : go ahead and commence bombing the south.

    https://apnews.com/article/northern-gaza-palestinians-israel-hamas-war-36109635f7bc90f403f0383d53a352e9   Fearing airstrikes and crowded shelters, Palestinians in north Gaza defy Israeli evacuation orders

     
    Fearing airstrikes and crowded shelters, Palestinians in north Gaza defy Israeli evacuation orders
    By SAMY MAGDY and WAFAA SHURAFA
    Today

    DEIR AL BALAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — Mahmoud Shalabi did not evacuate his home in northern Gaza despite the frightful Israeli warnings of a looming, far more brutal assault to come as it presses ahead with its war against the Hamas militant group.

    The Palestinian aid worker is among hundreds of thousands who have remained. Others who initially heeded the Israeli warnings to head south have returned to the territory's north, where Israel says it considers all those who stay possible “accomplices” of Hamas.

    Shalabi said leaving his home in Beit Lahia didn’t make sense considering the relentless bombardment of southern Gaza, where Israel has repeatedly urged the more than 1 million northern residents like him to seek refuge. The overcrowded shelters and shortages of water and food in the south played a part in their decisions, said Shalabi and others who remained.

    Risk death at home, or elsewhere in Gaza, they said.

    Leaving would be reasonable only if Israel stopped targeting the south, said Shalabi, who works for Medical Aid for Palestinians, a U.K.-based charity providing health services. “It doesn’t make sense to me that I should leave my home to go and get killed in a tent in the south of Gaza,” he said.

    The risks for those staying in the north are likely to rise exponentially in the event of an expected Israeli ground offensive, after two-and-a-half weeks of heavy bombardments have already claimed more than 6,500 lives in Gaza, according to the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry.

    With tens of thousands of troops massed along Israel's border with Gaza, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Wednesday Israel was preparing for a ground incursion. He refused to say when it would begin.

    Israeli military officials have said they are determined to crush Hamas in response to its brutal Oct. 7 attack on Israeli border communities, and the focus will be on the north, including Gaza City, where Israel says key Hamas assets, tunnels and bunkers are located.

    Some 350,000 Palestinians are still in northern Gaza, according to Israeli estimates. Military officials have repeatedly exhorted Palestinians to move south, but have not said whether the presence of a large number of civilians would be a factor in deciding whether to send in tanks and ground troops.

    Israel says it seeks to strike Hamas and doesn't target civilians, but Gaza health officials say many of those killed have been women and children. Those numbers are expected to climb with a ground offensive, which would likely see fierce fighting inside crowded urban areas.

    International rights groups have sharply criticized the Israeli evacuation orders, saying they cannot be considered effective warning to civilians, under the rules of international law, because of a lack of realistic options for those fleeing.

    “When the evacuation routes are bombed, when people north as well as south are caught up in hostilities, when the essentials for survival are lacking, and when there are no assurances for return, people are left with nothing but impossible choices,” said Lynn Hastings, the U.N. humanitarian coordinator for the Palestinian territories. “Nowhere is safe in Gaza.”

    Those staying put in the north are bracing for worse to come. They live among the ruins of once bustling neighborhoods while facing dire shortages of fuel, food and water amid looming hospital shutdowns.

    Services in the north have deteriorated since Israel’s evacuation order prompted at least 700,000 Palestinians to flee south. Most homes have no electricity, water or fuel.

    More than 1.4 million Gaza residents are now displaced across the narrow strip, out of a population of 2.3 million, and U.N. shelters are packed at triple their capacity, U.N. agencies say.

    In the north, entire neighborhoods have been reduced to rubble.

    "Everywhere there is debris, there are destroyed cars, there are destroyed houses. And it’s really difficult to get from one location to the other because there is no fuel,” Shalabi said.

    He said he walked for two hours to find a bakery still selling bread to feed his family of 10. Shop shelves are empty; residents are living on canned beans, pineapple, corn.

    The little fuel still available, often from private stockpiles, is sold for exorbitant prices. Some rent out small water pump motors, demanding 50 shekels ($12) an hour, a huge amount for the average Gaza resident.

    This week Shalabi ran out of cash, and scoured the blocks of dilapidated streets to find a functioning ATM. There were none.

    About 50,000 people are sheltering on the grounds of Shifa Hospital, Gaza's largest, in Gaza City. It is overwhelmed by a steady stream of wounded from airstrikes amid warnings that severe shortages of fuel, needed to power generators, could trigger a shutdown. No new fuel has been allowed into Gaza since the Oct. 7 raid.

    Still, many Palestinians are choosing to return north, tired of moving from place-to-place under Israeli fire as shelters become overcrowded and unlivable. U.N. monitors estimate 30,000 have returned.

    Ekhlas Ahmed, 24 and eight-months pregnant, was among them.

    A week ago, she fled Gaza City after repeated Israeli warnings to move south. She returned after the home she was sheltering in along with 14 other family members in the south was hit by an Israeli airstrike.

    “It was a residential building and they bombed it,” she said.

    Ahmed, who has a 4-year-old son, is hoping for a ceasefire.

    “I am very frightened. All of us are frightened,” she said.

    ___

    Magdy reported from Cairo. Associated Press writer Jack Jeffrey in Cairo contributed to this report.

    ___

    Find more of AP’s coverage at https://apnews.com/hub/israel-hamas-war


    Just Israel defending itself.


    Because Hamas of course didn’t follow the civilians to hide with them and under them.

    Keep it up, you must really want president trump back next year.
    is that the best ya got? threatening a return of president trump? lol.

    I wouldn’t laugh, he’s got yer electoral votes no problem. You really think Biden can take the swing states with liberals running around supporting the most extreme of Arab people? So extreme Egypt and Jordan don’t want their refugees? Keep laughing.
    news flash. trump will never be president again. wake up.
    He will if people like Lerxst vote for him to continue the unwavering support of wholesale slaughter of Gazans.

    Part of me thinks there is no way Trump will get elected as president again and part of me is concerned that it might happen, but as hard as it is to fathom, he is, after all, leading the GOP pack at this early stage.  I hope gimme is right-  I'd really really really like to be confident that he is right
    trump cannot win the popular vote, so he has to win the electoral vote in a small number of states. he will not have the popular turnout to swing those elections because he has not gained voters. he has lost millions of supporters. his hardcore supporters are old people that are dying off. the gop is not raising younger generations of voters, the younger voters are more liberal, so they would never vote gop. the gop is a dying party. they gave their party to trump, and he has driven it into the ground, like every single facet of all of his businesses. unless there is huge electoral interference, trump will never be president again. he cannot win it legitimately.

    All sounds good to me, thanks.  I guess I have to stop reading things that get me paranoid else-wise!
    That younger voter argument was first made with Obama in 2008. Voters 20 years old then will be 36 for this election. That’s a huge swath of the electorate, yet trump is polling as good as anyone else. He can’t win it legitimately? I wish the pollsters agreed




    Don’t like national polls? Hers a bunch of swing state polls with Biden ahead in one




    20 house Dems now support cease fire, Keep supporting Hamas, like somehow that will end the horrible killing of civilians. No, supporting Hamas will split the Dems and get trump elected. Why isn’t the world demanding hamas to immediate surrender? 

    If the world community wanted peace and to spare lives, everyone would demand the immediate surrender of Hamas. They started this war.


    Do you think all of the Palestinians being industrially murdered wholesale makes anyone safer?  Is there no moral cost for those lives lost bombing a refugee camp by a sovereign government, or are Israels hands clean for everything?
    I believe hate just creates more hate a vicious cycle with no end in sight! I believe theirs an Israeli young man who just lost a family or friends that has total hate for all Palestinian citizens as I believe there’s a young Palestinian man who has just lost a family or friends that now just wants all Israeli citizens dead! It will not end 
    The illustration of a snake eating itself is appropriate for this. Every act of violence is motivated by a past event, which was motivated by a past event, which was motivated by a past event... So many innocent lives have been lost on both sides, it is sickening.

    However one side and only one side repeatedly refuses to recognize the other sides right to exist peacefully as a sovereign nation. That step is needed for peace.

    I’d say the battle of Mosul is a better comparable to the current mess, especially to the claim the Palestinian people are not (edit, Hamas).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mosul_(2016%E2%80%932017)

    The US withdrew from Iraq in 2011, but the problem got worse and the ISIL needed to be dealt with years later.
    And does Israel unconditionally recognize the right of the existence of a sovereign Palestinian state with borders that can't be annexed at will by settlers?
    Post edited by static111 on
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    Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,114
    edited November 2023
    static111 said:
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    static111 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Israel: "Move south to safety.NOW!!!"

    also Israel : go ahead and commence bombing the south.

    https://apnews.com/article/northern-gaza-palestinians-israel-hamas-war-36109635f7bc90f403f0383d53a352e9   Fearing airstrikes and crowded shelters, Palestinians in north Gaza defy Israeli evacuation orders

     
    Fearing airstrikes and crowded shelters, Palestinians in north Gaza defy Israeli evacuation orders
    By SAMY MAGDY and WAFAA SHURAFA
    Today

    DEIR AL BALAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — Mahmoud Shalabi did not evacuate his home in northern Gaza despite the frightful Israeli warnings of a looming, far more brutal assault to come as it presses ahead with its war against the Hamas militant group.

    The Palestinian aid worker is among hundreds of thousands who have remained. Others who initially heeded the Israeli warnings to head south have returned to the territory's north, where Israel says it considers all those who stay possible “accomplices” of Hamas.

    Shalabi said leaving his home in Beit Lahia didn’t make sense considering the relentless bombardment of southern Gaza, where Israel has repeatedly urged the more than 1 million northern residents like him to seek refuge. The overcrowded shelters and shortages of water and food in the south played a part in their decisions, said Shalabi and others who remained.

    Risk death at home, or elsewhere in Gaza, they said.

    Leaving would be reasonable only if Israel stopped targeting the south, said Shalabi, who works for Medical Aid for Palestinians, a U.K.-based charity providing health services. “It doesn’t make sense to me that I should leave my home to go and get killed in a tent in the south of Gaza,” he said.

    The risks for those staying in the north are likely to rise exponentially in the event of an expected Israeli ground offensive, after two-and-a-half weeks of heavy bombardments have already claimed more than 6,500 lives in Gaza, according to the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry.

    With tens of thousands of troops massed along Israel's border with Gaza, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Wednesday Israel was preparing for a ground incursion. He refused to say when it would begin.

    Israeli military officials have said they are determined to crush Hamas in response to its brutal Oct. 7 attack on Israeli border communities, and the focus will be on the north, including Gaza City, where Israel says key Hamas assets, tunnels and bunkers are located.

    Some 350,000 Palestinians are still in northern Gaza, according to Israeli estimates. Military officials have repeatedly exhorted Palestinians to move south, but have not said whether the presence of a large number of civilians would be a factor in deciding whether to send in tanks and ground troops.

    Israel says it seeks to strike Hamas and doesn't target civilians, but Gaza health officials say many of those killed have been women and children. Those numbers are expected to climb with a ground offensive, which would likely see fierce fighting inside crowded urban areas.

    International rights groups have sharply criticized the Israeli evacuation orders, saying they cannot be considered effective warning to civilians, under the rules of international law, because of a lack of realistic options for those fleeing.

    “When the evacuation routes are bombed, when people north as well as south are caught up in hostilities, when the essentials for survival are lacking, and when there are no assurances for return, people are left with nothing but impossible choices,” said Lynn Hastings, the U.N. humanitarian coordinator for the Palestinian territories. “Nowhere is safe in Gaza.”

    Those staying put in the north are bracing for worse to come. They live among the ruins of once bustling neighborhoods while facing dire shortages of fuel, food and water amid looming hospital shutdowns.

    Services in the north have deteriorated since Israel’s evacuation order prompted at least 700,000 Palestinians to flee south. Most homes have no electricity, water or fuel.

    More than 1.4 million Gaza residents are now displaced across the narrow strip, out of a population of 2.3 million, and U.N. shelters are packed at triple their capacity, U.N. agencies say.

    In the north, entire neighborhoods have been reduced to rubble.

    "Everywhere there is debris, there are destroyed cars, there are destroyed houses. And it’s really difficult to get from one location to the other because there is no fuel,” Shalabi said.

    He said he walked for two hours to find a bakery still selling bread to feed his family of 10. Shop shelves are empty; residents are living on canned beans, pineapple, corn.

    The little fuel still available, often from private stockpiles, is sold for exorbitant prices. Some rent out small water pump motors, demanding 50 shekels ($12) an hour, a huge amount for the average Gaza resident.

    This week Shalabi ran out of cash, and scoured the blocks of dilapidated streets to find a functioning ATM. There were none.

    About 50,000 people are sheltering on the grounds of Shifa Hospital, Gaza's largest, in Gaza City. It is overwhelmed by a steady stream of wounded from airstrikes amid warnings that severe shortages of fuel, needed to power generators, could trigger a shutdown. No new fuel has been allowed into Gaza since the Oct. 7 raid.

    Still, many Palestinians are choosing to return north, tired of moving from place-to-place under Israeli fire as shelters become overcrowded and unlivable. U.N. monitors estimate 30,000 have returned.

    Ekhlas Ahmed, 24 and eight-months pregnant, was among them.

    A week ago, she fled Gaza City after repeated Israeli warnings to move south. She returned after the home she was sheltering in along with 14 other family members in the south was hit by an Israeli airstrike.

    “It was a residential building and they bombed it,” she said.

    Ahmed, who has a 4-year-old son, is hoping for a ceasefire.

    “I am very frightened. All of us are frightened,” she said.

    ___

    Magdy reported from Cairo. Associated Press writer Jack Jeffrey in Cairo contributed to this report.

    ___

    Find more of AP’s coverage at https://apnews.com/hub/israel-hamas-war


    Just Israel defending itself.


    Because Hamas of course didn’t follow the civilians to hide with them and under them.

    Keep it up, you must really want president trump back next year.
    is that the best ya got? threatening a return of president trump? lol.

    I wouldn’t laugh, he’s got yer electoral votes no problem. You really think Biden can take the swing states with liberals running around supporting the most extreme of Arab people? So extreme Egypt and Jordan don’t want their refugees? Keep laughing.
    news flash. trump will never be president again. wake up.
    He will if people like Lerxst vote for him to continue the unwavering support of wholesale slaughter of Gazans.

    Part of me thinks there is no way Trump will get elected as president again and part of me is concerned that it might happen, but as hard as it is to fathom, he is, after all, leading the GOP pack at this early stage.  I hope gimme is right-  I'd really really really like to be confident that he is right
    trump cannot win the popular vote, so he has to win the electoral vote in a small number of states. he will not have the popular turnout to swing those elections because he has not gained voters. he has lost millions of supporters. his hardcore supporters are old people that are dying off. the gop is not raising younger generations of voters, the younger voters are more liberal, so they would never vote gop. the gop is a dying party. they gave their party to trump, and he has driven it into the ground, like every single facet of all of his businesses. unless there is huge electoral interference, trump will never be president again. he cannot win it legitimately.

    All sounds good to me, thanks.  I guess I have to stop reading things that get me paranoid else-wise!
    That younger voter argument was first made with Obama in 2008. Voters 20 years old then will be 36 for this election. That’s a huge swath of the electorate, yet trump is polling as good as anyone else. He can’t win it legitimately? I wish the pollsters agreed




    Don’t like national polls? Hers a bunch of swing state polls with Biden ahead in one




    20 house Dems now support cease fire, Keep supporting Hamas, like somehow that will end the horrible killing of civilians. No, supporting Hamas will split the Dems and get trump elected. Why isn’t the world demanding hamas to immediate surrender? 

    If the world community wanted peace and to spare lives, everyone would demand the immediate surrender of Hamas. They started this war.


    Funny have 20 dems come out in support of Hamas? has anyone come out in support of Hamas or is this another delusion?


    Cmon, it is well known Hamas will use ANY pause to restock its weapons, often using humanitarian aid to improve its ability to murder civilians.

    to refer to my comment as “another delusion” is borderline outside the rules here. 

    Give me some credit. I’m probably the only liberal here supporting Israel’s right to defend itself, and in the face of a very strong pro Palestine slant on this forum, this topic has remained open since the horrific start to this war Oct seven



    Edit, the guardian,


    “Pressure is building in Congress, where 18 House Democrats – all progressive lawmakers of color – joined a resolution calling for the White House to support “an immediate de-escalation and ceasefire in Israel and occupied Palestine”.
    Post edited by Lerxst1992 on
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    cblock4lifecblock4life Posts: 1,401
    static111 said:
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    static111 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Israel: "Move south to safety.NOW!!!"

    also Israel : go ahead and commence bombing the south.

    https://apnews.com/article/northern-gaza-palestinians-israel-hamas-war-36109635f7bc90f403f0383d53a352e9   Fearing airstrikes and crowded shelters, Palestinians in north Gaza defy Israeli evacuation orders

     
    Fearing airstrikes and crowded shelters, Palestinians in north Gaza defy Israeli evacuation orders
    By SAMY MAGDY and WAFAA SHURAFA
    Today

    DEIR AL BALAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — Mahmoud Shalabi did not evacuate his home in northern Gaza despite the frightful Israeli warnings of a looming, far more brutal assault to come as it presses ahead with its war against the Hamas militant group.

    The Palestinian aid worker is among hundreds of thousands who have remained. Others who initially heeded the Israeli warnings to head south have returned to the territory's north, where Israel says it considers all those who stay possible “accomplices” of Hamas.

    Shalabi said leaving his home in Beit Lahia didn’t make sense considering the relentless bombardment of southern Gaza, where Israel has repeatedly urged the more than 1 million northern residents like him to seek refuge. The overcrowded shelters and shortages of water and food in the south played a part in their decisions, said Shalabi and others who remained.

    Risk death at home, or elsewhere in Gaza, they said.

    Leaving would be reasonable only if Israel stopped targeting the south, said Shalabi, who works for Medical Aid for Palestinians, a U.K.-based charity providing health services. “It doesn’t make sense to me that I should leave my home to go and get killed in a tent in the south of Gaza,” he said.

    The risks for those staying in the north are likely to rise exponentially in the event of an expected Israeli ground offensive, after two-and-a-half weeks of heavy bombardments have already claimed more than 6,500 lives in Gaza, according to the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry.

    With tens of thousands of troops massed along Israel's border with Gaza, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Wednesday Israel was preparing for a ground incursion. He refused to say when it would begin.

    Israeli military officials have said they are determined to crush Hamas in response to its brutal Oct. 7 attack on Israeli border communities, and the focus will be on the north, including Gaza City, where Israel says key Hamas assets, tunnels and bunkers are located.

    Some 350,000 Palestinians are still in northern Gaza, according to Israeli estimates. Military officials have repeatedly exhorted Palestinians to move south, but have not said whether the presence of a large number of civilians would be a factor in deciding whether to send in tanks and ground troops.

    Israel says it seeks to strike Hamas and doesn't target civilians, but Gaza health officials say many of those killed have been women and children. Those numbers are expected to climb with a ground offensive, which would likely see fierce fighting inside crowded urban areas.

    International rights groups have sharply criticized the Israeli evacuation orders, saying they cannot be considered effective warning to civilians, under the rules of international law, because of a lack of realistic options for those fleeing.

    “When the evacuation routes are bombed, when people north as well as south are caught up in hostilities, when the essentials for survival are lacking, and when there are no assurances for return, people are left with nothing but impossible choices,” said Lynn Hastings, the U.N. humanitarian coordinator for the Palestinian territories. “Nowhere is safe in Gaza.”

    Those staying put in the north are bracing for worse to come. They live among the ruins of once bustling neighborhoods while facing dire shortages of fuel, food and water amid looming hospital shutdowns.

    Services in the north have deteriorated since Israel’s evacuation order prompted at least 700,000 Palestinians to flee south. Most homes have no electricity, water or fuel.

    More than 1.4 million Gaza residents are now displaced across the narrow strip, out of a population of 2.3 million, and U.N. shelters are packed at triple their capacity, U.N. agencies say.

    In the north, entire neighborhoods have been reduced to rubble.

    "Everywhere there is debris, there are destroyed cars, there are destroyed houses. And it’s really difficult to get from one location to the other because there is no fuel,” Shalabi said.

    He said he walked for two hours to find a bakery still selling bread to feed his family of 10. Shop shelves are empty; residents are living on canned beans, pineapple, corn.

    The little fuel still available, often from private stockpiles, is sold for exorbitant prices. Some rent out small water pump motors, demanding 50 shekels ($12) an hour, a huge amount for the average Gaza resident.

    This week Shalabi ran out of cash, and scoured the blocks of dilapidated streets to find a functioning ATM. There were none.

    About 50,000 people are sheltering on the grounds of Shifa Hospital, Gaza's largest, in Gaza City. It is overwhelmed by a steady stream of wounded from airstrikes amid warnings that severe shortages of fuel, needed to power generators, could trigger a shutdown. No new fuel has been allowed into Gaza since the Oct. 7 raid.

    Still, many Palestinians are choosing to return north, tired of moving from place-to-place under Israeli fire as shelters become overcrowded and unlivable. U.N. monitors estimate 30,000 have returned.

    Ekhlas Ahmed, 24 and eight-months pregnant, was among them.

    A week ago, she fled Gaza City after repeated Israeli warnings to move south. She returned after the home she was sheltering in along with 14 other family members in the south was hit by an Israeli airstrike.

    “It was a residential building and they bombed it,” she said.

    Ahmed, who has a 4-year-old son, is hoping for a ceasefire.

    “I am very frightened. All of us are frightened,” she said.

    ___

    Magdy reported from Cairo. Associated Press writer Jack Jeffrey in Cairo contributed to this report.

    ___

    Find more of AP’s coverage at https://apnews.com/hub/israel-hamas-war


    Just Israel defending itself.


    Because Hamas of course didn’t follow the civilians to hide with them and under them.

    Keep it up, you must really want president trump back next year.
    is that the best ya got? threatening a return of president trump? lol.

    I wouldn’t laugh, he’s got yer electoral votes no problem. You really think Biden can take the swing states with liberals running around supporting the most extreme of Arab people? So extreme Egypt and Jordan don’t want their refugees? Keep laughing.
    news flash. trump will never be president again. wake up.
    He will if people like Lerxst vote for him to continue the unwavering support of wholesale slaughter of Gazans.

    Part of me thinks there is no way Trump will get elected as president again and part of me is concerned that it might happen, but as hard as it is to fathom, he is, after all, leading the GOP pack at this early stage.  I hope gimme is right-  I'd really really really like to be confident that he is right
    trump cannot win the popular vote, so he has to win the electoral vote in a small number of states. he will not have the popular turnout to swing those elections because he has not gained voters. he has lost millions of supporters. his hardcore supporters are old people that are dying off. the gop is not raising younger generations of voters, the younger voters are more liberal, so they would never vote gop. the gop is a dying party. they gave their party to trump, and he has driven it into the ground, like every single facet of all of his businesses. unless there is huge electoral interference, trump will never be president again. he cannot win it legitimately.

    All sounds good to me, thanks.  I guess I have to stop reading things that get me paranoid else-wise!
    That younger voter argument was first made with Obama in 2008. Voters 20 years old then will be 36 for this election. That’s a huge swath of the electorate, yet trump is polling as good as anyone else. He can’t win it legitimately? I wish the pollsters agreed




    Don’t like national polls? Hers a bunch of swing state polls with Biden ahead in one




    20 house Dems now support cease fire, Keep supporting Hamas, like somehow that will end the horrible killing of civilians. No, supporting Hamas will split the Dems and get trump elected. Why isn’t the world demanding hamas to immediate surrender? 

    If the world community wanted peace and to spare lives, everyone would demand the immediate surrender of Hamas. They started this war.


    Do you think all of the Palestinians being industrially murdered wholesale makes anyone safer?  Is there no moral cost for those lives lost bombing a refugee camp by a sovereign government, or are Israels hands clean for everything?
    I believe hate just creates more hate a vicious cycle with no end in sight! I believe theirs an Israeli young man who just lost a family or friends that has total hate for all Palestinian citizens as I believe there’s a young Palestinian man who has just lost a family or friends that now just wants all Israeli citizens dead! It will not end 
    The illustration of a snake eating itself is appropriate for this. Every act of violence is motivated by a past event, which was motivated by a past event, which was motivated by a past event... So many innocent lives have been lost on both sides, it is sickening.
    I agree.  Their reasons for war are far beyond our comprehension.  They want land based on bloodshed from events when Jesus was born and before.  These are people who pledge their lives to a God that they believe in.  They truly believe their reward will come even if they die.  Israel will not stop until every tunnel is gone, flattened.  Which will, as everyone already posted, just create more death.  Between the 400 years of slavery to the holocaust, as they stated, Israel isn’t going to stop.   
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    static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    static111 said:
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    static111 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Israel: "Move south to safety.NOW!!!"

    also Israel : go ahead and commence bombing the south.

    https://apnews.com/article/northern-gaza-palestinians-israel-hamas-war-36109635f7bc90f403f0383d53a352e9   Fearing airstrikes and crowded shelters, Palestinians in north Gaza defy Israeli evacuation orders

     
    Fearing airstrikes and crowded shelters, Palestinians in north Gaza defy Israeli evacuation orders
    By SAMY MAGDY and WAFAA SHURAFA
    Today

    DEIR AL BALAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — Mahmoud Shalabi did not evacuate his home in northern Gaza despite the frightful Israeli warnings of a looming, far more brutal assault to come as it presses ahead with its war against the Hamas militant group.

    The Palestinian aid worker is among hundreds of thousands who have remained. Others who initially heeded the Israeli warnings to head south have returned to the territory's north, where Israel says it considers all those who stay possible “accomplices” of Hamas.

    Shalabi said leaving his home in Beit Lahia didn’t make sense considering the relentless bombardment of southern Gaza, where Israel has repeatedly urged the more than 1 million northern residents like him to seek refuge. The overcrowded shelters and shortages of water and food in the south played a part in their decisions, said Shalabi and others who remained.

    Risk death at home, or elsewhere in Gaza, they said.

    Leaving would be reasonable only if Israel stopped targeting the south, said Shalabi, who works for Medical Aid for Palestinians, a U.K.-based charity providing health services. “It doesn’t make sense to me that I should leave my home to go and get killed in a tent in the south of Gaza,” he said.

    The risks for those staying in the north are likely to rise exponentially in the event of an expected Israeli ground offensive, after two-and-a-half weeks of heavy bombardments have already claimed more than 6,500 lives in Gaza, according to the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry.

    With tens of thousands of troops massed along Israel's border with Gaza, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Wednesday Israel was preparing for a ground incursion. He refused to say when it would begin.

    Israeli military officials have said they are determined to crush Hamas in response to its brutal Oct. 7 attack on Israeli border communities, and the focus will be on the north, including Gaza City, where Israel says key Hamas assets, tunnels and bunkers are located.

    Some 350,000 Palestinians are still in northern Gaza, according to Israeli estimates. Military officials have repeatedly exhorted Palestinians to move south, but have not said whether the presence of a large number of civilians would be a factor in deciding whether to send in tanks and ground troops.

    Israel says it seeks to strike Hamas and doesn't target civilians, but Gaza health officials say many of those killed have been women and children. Those numbers are expected to climb with a ground offensive, which would likely see fierce fighting inside crowded urban areas.

    International rights groups have sharply criticized the Israeli evacuation orders, saying they cannot be considered effective warning to civilians, under the rules of international law, because of a lack of realistic options for those fleeing.

    “When the evacuation routes are bombed, when people north as well as south are caught up in hostilities, when the essentials for survival are lacking, and when there are no assurances for return, people are left with nothing but impossible choices,” said Lynn Hastings, the U.N. humanitarian coordinator for the Palestinian territories. “Nowhere is safe in Gaza.”

    Those staying put in the north are bracing for worse to come. They live among the ruins of once bustling neighborhoods while facing dire shortages of fuel, food and water amid looming hospital shutdowns.

    Services in the north have deteriorated since Israel’s evacuation order prompted at least 700,000 Palestinians to flee south. Most homes have no electricity, water or fuel.

    More than 1.4 million Gaza residents are now displaced across the narrow strip, out of a population of 2.3 million, and U.N. shelters are packed at triple their capacity, U.N. agencies say.

    In the north, entire neighborhoods have been reduced to rubble.

    "Everywhere there is debris, there are destroyed cars, there are destroyed houses. And it’s really difficult to get from one location to the other because there is no fuel,” Shalabi said.

    He said he walked for two hours to find a bakery still selling bread to feed his family of 10. Shop shelves are empty; residents are living on canned beans, pineapple, corn.

    The little fuel still available, often from private stockpiles, is sold for exorbitant prices. Some rent out small water pump motors, demanding 50 shekels ($12) an hour, a huge amount for the average Gaza resident.

    This week Shalabi ran out of cash, and scoured the blocks of dilapidated streets to find a functioning ATM. There were none.

    About 50,000 people are sheltering on the grounds of Shifa Hospital, Gaza's largest, in Gaza City. It is overwhelmed by a steady stream of wounded from airstrikes amid warnings that severe shortages of fuel, needed to power generators, could trigger a shutdown. No new fuel has been allowed into Gaza since the Oct. 7 raid.

    Still, many Palestinians are choosing to return north, tired of moving from place-to-place under Israeli fire as shelters become overcrowded and unlivable. U.N. monitors estimate 30,000 have returned.

    Ekhlas Ahmed, 24 and eight-months pregnant, was among them.

    A week ago, she fled Gaza City after repeated Israeli warnings to move south. She returned after the home she was sheltering in along with 14 other family members in the south was hit by an Israeli airstrike.

    “It was a residential building and they bombed it,” she said.

    Ahmed, who has a 4-year-old son, is hoping for a ceasefire.

    “I am very frightened. All of us are frightened,” she said.

    ___

    Magdy reported from Cairo. Associated Press writer Jack Jeffrey in Cairo contributed to this report.

    ___

    Find more of AP’s coverage at https://apnews.com/hub/israel-hamas-war


    Just Israel defending itself.


    Because Hamas of course didn’t follow the civilians to hide with them and under them.

    Keep it up, you must really want president trump back next year.
    is that the best ya got? threatening a return of president trump? lol.

    I wouldn’t laugh, he’s got yer electoral votes no problem. You really think Biden can take the swing states with liberals running around supporting the most extreme of Arab people? So extreme Egypt and Jordan don’t want their refugees? Keep laughing.
    news flash. trump will never be president again. wake up.
    He will if people like Lerxst vote for him to continue the unwavering support of wholesale slaughter of Gazans.

    Part of me thinks there is no way Trump will get elected as president again and part of me is concerned that it might happen, but as hard as it is to fathom, he is, after all, leading the GOP pack at this early stage.  I hope gimme is right-  I'd really really really like to be confident that he is right
    trump cannot win the popular vote, so he has to win the electoral vote in a small number of states. he will not have the popular turnout to swing those elections because he has not gained voters. he has lost millions of supporters. his hardcore supporters are old people that are dying off. the gop is not raising younger generations of voters, the younger voters are more liberal, so they would never vote gop. the gop is a dying party. they gave their party to trump, and he has driven it into the ground, like every single facet of all of his businesses. unless there is huge electoral interference, trump will never be president again. he cannot win it legitimately.

    All sounds good to me, thanks.  I guess I have to stop reading things that get me paranoid else-wise!
    That younger voter argument was first made with Obama in 2008. Voters 20 years old then will be 36 for this election. That’s a huge swath of the electorate, yet trump is polling as good as anyone else. He can’t win it legitimately? I wish the pollsters agreed




    Don’t like national polls? Hers a bunch of swing state polls with Biden ahead in one




    20 house Dems now support cease fire, Keep supporting Hamas, like somehow that will end the horrible killing of civilians. No, supporting Hamas will split the Dems and get trump elected. Why isn’t the world demanding hamas to immediate surrender? 

    If the world community wanted peace and to spare lives, everyone would demand the immediate surrender of Hamas. They started this war.


    Funny have 20 dems come out in support of Hamas? has anyone come out in support of Hamas or is this another delusion?


    Cmon, it is well known Hamas will use ANY pause to restock its weapons, often using humanitarian aid to improve its ability to murder civilians.

    to refer to my comment as “another delusion” is borderline outside the rules here. 

    Give me some credit. I’m probably the only liberal here supporting Israel’s right to defend itself, and in the face of a very strong pro Palestine slant on this forum, this topic has remained open since the horrific start to this war Oct seven



    Edit, the guardian,


    “Pressure is building in Congress, where 18 House Democrats – all progressive lawmakers of color – joined a resolution calling for the White House to support “an immediate de-escalation and ceasefire in Israel and occupied Palestine”.
    Show me where they said they support Hamas and I will take back that the comment was a delusion.  Sure Israel has the right to defend itself and I don't think anyone disputes that, but for many the current actions of the IDF and Israeli government are crossing a line with collective punishment. Kind of like what the us Government did in Iraq and Afghanistan which was wrong then.  Supporting a cease fire and humanitarian aid in the face of the slaughter of civilians en mass in pursuit of some kind of blood debt does not equate supporting Hamas, that's hyperbole in the finest if you aren't with us you're against us vein.

    I appreciate your knowledge of the history of the region and the perspective you bring to the discussion.  Calling people that believe in protecting the lives of Palestinian children supporters of Hamas, however, is fiction.  

    The idea that the unarmed citizens of Palestine can just rise up against a well funded and well armed terrorist group is also outside the realm of reality.  
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    Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,114
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    static111 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Israel: "Move south to safety.NOW!!!"

    also Israel : go ahead and commence bombing the south.

    https://apnews.com/article/northern-gaza-palestinians-israel-hamas-war-36109635f7bc90f403f0383d53a352e9   Fearing airstrikes and crowded shelters, Palestinians in north Gaza defy Israeli evacuation orders

     
    Fearing airstrikes and crowded shelters, Palestinians in north Gaza defy Israeli evacuation orders
    By SAMY MAGDY and WAFAA SHURAFA
    Today

    DEIR AL BALAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — Mahmoud Shalabi did not evacuate his home in northern Gaza despite the frightful Israeli warnings of a looming, far more brutal assault to come as it presses ahead with its war against the Hamas militant group.

    The Palestinian aid worker is among hundreds of thousands who have remained. Others who initially heeded the Israeli warnings to head south have returned to the territory's north, where Israel says it considers all those who stay possible “accomplices” of Hamas.

    Shalabi said leaving his home in Beit Lahia didn’t make sense considering the relentless bombardment of southern Gaza, where Israel has repeatedly urged the more than 1 million northern residents like him to seek refuge. The overcrowded shelters and shortages of water and food in the south played a part in their decisions, said Shalabi and others who remained.

    Risk death at home, or elsewhere in Gaza, they said.

    Leaving would be reasonable only if Israel stopped targeting the south, said Shalabi, who works for Medical Aid for Palestinians, a U.K.-based charity providing health services. “It doesn’t make sense to me that I should leave my home to go and get killed in a tent in the south of Gaza,” he said.

    The risks for those staying in the north are likely to rise exponentially in the event of an expected Israeli ground offensive, after two-and-a-half weeks of heavy bombardments have already claimed more than 6,500 lives in Gaza, according to the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry.

    With tens of thousands of troops massed along Israel's border with Gaza, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Wednesday Israel was preparing for a ground incursion. He refused to say when it would begin.

    Israeli military officials have said they are determined to crush Hamas in response to its brutal Oct. 7 attack on Israeli border communities, and the focus will be on the north, including Gaza City, where Israel says key Hamas assets, tunnels and bunkers are located.

    Some 350,000 Palestinians are still in northern Gaza, according to Israeli estimates. Military officials have repeatedly exhorted Palestinians to move south, but have not said whether the presence of a large number of civilians would be a factor in deciding whether to send in tanks and ground troops.

    Israel says it seeks to strike Hamas and doesn't target civilians, but Gaza health officials say many of those killed have been women and children. Those numbers are expected to climb with a ground offensive, which would likely see fierce fighting inside crowded urban areas.

    International rights groups have sharply criticized the Israeli evacuation orders, saying they cannot be considered effective warning to civilians, under the rules of international law, because of a lack of realistic options for those fleeing.

    “When the evacuation routes are bombed, when people north as well as south are caught up in hostilities, when the essentials for survival are lacking, and when there are no assurances for return, people are left with nothing but impossible choices,” said Lynn Hastings, the U.N. humanitarian coordinator for the Palestinian territories. “Nowhere is safe in Gaza.”

    Those staying put in the north are bracing for worse to come. They live among the ruins of once bustling neighborhoods while facing dire shortages of fuel, food and water amid looming hospital shutdowns.

    Services in the north have deteriorated since Israel’s evacuation order prompted at least 700,000 Palestinians to flee south. Most homes have no electricity, water or fuel.

    More than 1.4 million Gaza residents are now displaced across the narrow strip, out of a population of 2.3 million, and U.N. shelters are packed at triple their capacity, U.N. agencies say.

    In the north, entire neighborhoods have been reduced to rubble.

    "Everywhere there is debris, there are destroyed cars, there are destroyed houses. And it’s really difficult to get from one location to the other because there is no fuel,” Shalabi said.

    He said he walked for two hours to find a bakery still selling bread to feed his family of 10. Shop shelves are empty; residents are living on canned beans, pineapple, corn.

    The little fuel still available, often from private stockpiles, is sold for exorbitant prices. Some rent out small water pump motors, demanding 50 shekels ($12) an hour, a huge amount for the average Gaza resident.

    This week Shalabi ran out of cash, and scoured the blocks of dilapidated streets to find a functioning ATM. There were none.

    About 50,000 people are sheltering on the grounds of Shifa Hospital, Gaza's largest, in Gaza City. It is overwhelmed by a steady stream of wounded from airstrikes amid warnings that severe shortages of fuel, needed to power generators, could trigger a shutdown. No new fuel has been allowed into Gaza since the Oct. 7 raid.

    Still, many Palestinians are choosing to return north, tired of moving from place-to-place under Israeli fire as shelters become overcrowded and unlivable. U.N. monitors estimate 30,000 have returned.

    Ekhlas Ahmed, 24 and eight-months pregnant, was among them.

    A week ago, she fled Gaza City after repeated Israeli warnings to move south. She returned after the home she was sheltering in along with 14 other family members in the south was hit by an Israeli airstrike.

    “It was a residential building and they bombed it,” she said.

    Ahmed, who has a 4-year-old son, is hoping for a ceasefire.

    “I am very frightened. All of us are frightened,” she said.

    ___

    Magdy reported from Cairo. Associated Press writer Jack Jeffrey in Cairo contributed to this report.

    ___

    Find more of AP’s coverage at https://apnews.com/hub/israel-hamas-war


    Just Israel defending itself.


    Because Hamas of course didn’t follow the civilians to hide with them and under them.

    Keep it up, you must really want president trump back next year.
    is that the best ya got? threatening a return of president trump? lol.

    I wouldn’t laugh, he’s got yer electoral votes no problem. You really think Biden can take the swing states with liberals running around supporting the most extreme of Arab people? So extreme Egypt and Jordan don’t want their refugees? Keep laughing.
    news flash. trump will never be president again. wake up.
    He will if people like Lerxst vote for him to continue the unwavering support of wholesale slaughter of Gazans.

    Part of me thinks there is no way Trump will get elected as president again and part of me is concerned that it might happen, but as hard as it is to fathom, he is, after all, leading the GOP pack at this early stage.  I hope gimme is right-  I'd really really really like to be confident that he is right
    trump cannot win the popular vote, so he has to win the electoral vote in a small number of states. he will not have the popular turnout to swing those elections because he has not gained voters. he has lost millions of supporters. his hardcore supporters are old people that are dying off. the gop is not raising younger generations of voters, the younger voters are more liberal, so they would never vote gop. the gop is a dying party. they gave their party to trump, and he has driven it into the ground, like every single facet of all of his businesses. unless there is huge electoral interference, trump will never be president again. he cannot win it legitimately.

    All sounds good to me, thanks.  I guess I have to stop reading things that get me paranoid else-wise!
    That younger voter argument was first made with Obama in 2008. Voters 20 years old then will be 36 for this election. That’s a huge swath of the electorate, yet trump is polling as good as anyone else. He can’t win it legitimately? I wish the pollsters agreed




    Don’t like national polls? Hers a bunch of swing state polls with Biden ahead in one




    20 house Dems now support cease fire, Keep supporting Hamas, like somehow that will end the horrible killing of civilians. No, supporting Hamas will split the Dems and get trump elected. Why isn’t the world demanding hamas to immediate surrender? 

    If the world community wanted peace and to spare lives, everyone would demand the immediate surrender of Hamas. They started this war.


    Funny have 20 dems come out in support of Hamas? has anyone come out in support of Hamas or is this another delusion?


    Cmon, it is well known Hamas will use ANY pause to restock its weapons, often using humanitarian aid to improve its ability to murder civilians.

    to refer to my comment as “another delusion” is borderline outside the rules here. 

    Give me some credit. I’m probably the only liberal here supporting Israel’s right to defend itself, and in the face of a very strong pro Palestine slant on this forum, this topic has remained open since the horrific start to this war Oct seven



    Edit, the guardian,


    “Pressure is building in Congress, where 18 House Democrats – all progressive lawmakers of color – joined a resolution calling for the White House to support “an immediate de-escalation and ceasefire in Israel and occupied Palestine”.
    Show me where they said they support Hamas and I will take back that the comment was a delusion.  Sure Israel has the right to defend itself and I don't think anyone disputes that, but for many the current actions of the IDF and Israeli government are crossing a line with collective punishment. Kind of like what the us Government did in Iraq and Afghanistan which was wrong then.  Supporting a cease fire and humanitarian aid in the face of the slaughter of civilians en mass in pursuit of some kind of blood debt does not equate supporting Hamas, that's hyperbole in the finest if you aren't with us you're against us vein.

    I appreciate your knowledge of the history of the region and the perspective you bring to the discussion.  Calling people that believe in protecting the lives of Palestinian children supporters of Hamas, however, is fiction.  

    The idea that the unarmed citizens of Palestine can just rise up against a well funded and well armed terrorist group is also outside the realm of reality.  

    A pause gives Hamas a chance to rearm itself to attack unarmed civilians, which is the only reason this war currently exists. Supporting a pause is supporting Hamas’ ability to wage war. Supporting a pause will lead to more fatalities. Those that support peace should instead be insisting Hamas surrender. If hamas can’t keep their people safe in the wake of their aggressions, that is evidence they are a failed leadership. They need to surrender to save lives.

    The battle of Mosul was very similar to this conflict, that was a bad idea? We should have let ISIL thrive there?
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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,726
    in the meantime US funded weapons killing Palestinian civilians shot by IDF is perfectly ok.
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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 35,726
    by this logic, the wholesale slaughter of the ENTIRE Gaza population is permissible in the pursuit of completely wiping out Hamas.

    gotcha.
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    static111static111 Posts: 4,889
    static111 said:
    static111 said:
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    static111 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Israel: "Move south to safety.NOW!!!"

    also Israel : go ahead and commence bombing the south.

    https://apnews.com/article/northern-gaza-palestinians-israel-hamas-war-36109635f7bc90f403f0383d53a352e9   Fearing airstrikes and crowded shelters, Palestinians in north Gaza defy Israeli evacuation orders

     
    Fearing airstrikes and crowded shelters, Palestinians in north Gaza defy Israeli evacuation orders
    By SAMY MAGDY and WAFAA SHURAFA
    Today

    DEIR AL BALAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — Mahmoud Shalabi did not evacuate his home in northern Gaza despite the frightful Israeli warnings of a looming, far more brutal assault to come as it presses ahead with its war against the Hamas militant group.

    The Palestinian aid worker is among hundreds of thousands who have remained. Others who initially heeded the Israeli warnings to head south have returned to the territory's north, where Israel says it considers all those who stay possible “accomplices” of Hamas.

    Shalabi said leaving his home in Beit Lahia didn’t make sense considering the relentless bombardment of southern Gaza, where Israel has repeatedly urged the more than 1 million northern residents like him to seek refuge. The overcrowded shelters and shortages of water and food in the south played a part in their decisions, said Shalabi and others who remained.

    Risk death at home, or elsewhere in Gaza, they said.

    Leaving would be reasonable only if Israel stopped targeting the south, said Shalabi, who works for Medical Aid for Palestinians, a U.K.-based charity providing health services. “It doesn’t make sense to me that I should leave my home to go and get killed in a tent in the south of Gaza,” he said.

    The risks for those staying in the north are likely to rise exponentially in the event of an expected Israeli ground offensive, after two-and-a-half weeks of heavy bombardments have already claimed more than 6,500 lives in Gaza, according to the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry.

    With tens of thousands of troops massed along Israel's border with Gaza, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Wednesday Israel was preparing for a ground incursion. He refused to say when it would begin.

    Israeli military officials have said they are determined to crush Hamas in response to its brutal Oct. 7 attack on Israeli border communities, and the focus will be on the north, including Gaza City, where Israel says key Hamas assets, tunnels and bunkers are located.

    Some 350,000 Palestinians are still in northern Gaza, according to Israeli estimates. Military officials have repeatedly exhorted Palestinians to move south, but have not said whether the presence of a large number of civilians would be a factor in deciding whether to send in tanks and ground troops.

    Israel says it seeks to strike Hamas and doesn't target civilians, but Gaza health officials say many of those killed have been women and children. Those numbers are expected to climb with a ground offensive, which would likely see fierce fighting inside crowded urban areas.

    International rights groups have sharply criticized the Israeli evacuation orders, saying they cannot be considered effective warning to civilians, under the rules of international law, because of a lack of realistic options for those fleeing.

    “When the evacuation routes are bombed, when people north as well as south are caught up in hostilities, when the essentials for survival are lacking, and when there are no assurances for return, people are left with nothing but impossible choices,” said Lynn Hastings, the U.N. humanitarian coordinator for the Palestinian territories. “Nowhere is safe in Gaza.”

    Those staying put in the north are bracing for worse to come. They live among the ruins of once bustling neighborhoods while facing dire shortages of fuel, food and water amid looming hospital shutdowns.

    Services in the north have deteriorated since Israel’s evacuation order prompted at least 700,000 Palestinians to flee south. Most homes have no electricity, water or fuel.

    More than 1.4 million Gaza residents are now displaced across the narrow strip, out of a population of 2.3 million, and U.N. shelters are packed at triple their capacity, U.N. agencies say.

    In the north, entire neighborhoods have been reduced to rubble.

    "Everywhere there is debris, there are destroyed cars, there are destroyed houses. And it’s really difficult to get from one location to the other because there is no fuel,” Shalabi said.

    He said he walked for two hours to find a bakery still selling bread to feed his family of 10. Shop shelves are empty; residents are living on canned beans, pineapple, corn.

    The little fuel still available, often from private stockpiles, is sold for exorbitant prices. Some rent out small water pump motors, demanding 50 shekels ($12) an hour, a huge amount for the average Gaza resident.

    This week Shalabi ran out of cash, and scoured the blocks of dilapidated streets to find a functioning ATM. There were none.

    About 50,000 people are sheltering on the grounds of Shifa Hospital, Gaza's largest, in Gaza City. It is overwhelmed by a steady stream of wounded from airstrikes amid warnings that severe shortages of fuel, needed to power generators, could trigger a shutdown. No new fuel has been allowed into Gaza since the Oct. 7 raid.

    Still, many Palestinians are choosing to return north, tired of moving from place-to-place under Israeli fire as shelters become overcrowded and unlivable. U.N. monitors estimate 30,000 have returned.

    Ekhlas Ahmed, 24 and eight-months pregnant, was among them.

    A week ago, she fled Gaza City after repeated Israeli warnings to move south. She returned after the home she was sheltering in along with 14 other family members in the south was hit by an Israeli airstrike.

    “It was a residential building and they bombed it,” she said.

    Ahmed, who has a 4-year-old son, is hoping for a ceasefire.

    “I am very frightened. All of us are frightened,” she said.

    ___

    Magdy reported from Cairo. Associated Press writer Jack Jeffrey in Cairo contributed to this report.

    ___

    Find more of AP’s coverage at https://apnews.com/hub/israel-hamas-war


    Just Israel defending itself.


    Because Hamas of course didn’t follow the civilians to hide with them and under them.

    Keep it up, you must really want president trump back next year.
    is that the best ya got? threatening a return of president trump? lol.

    I wouldn’t laugh, he’s got yer electoral votes no problem. You really think Biden can take the swing states with liberals running around supporting the most extreme of Arab people? So extreme Egypt and Jordan don’t want their refugees? Keep laughing.
    news flash. trump will never be president again. wake up.
    He will if people like Lerxst vote for him to continue the unwavering support of wholesale slaughter of Gazans.

    Part of me thinks there is no way Trump will get elected as president again and part of me is concerned that it might happen, but as hard as it is to fathom, he is, after all, leading the GOP pack at this early stage.  I hope gimme is right-  I'd really really really like to be confident that he is right
    trump cannot win the popular vote, so he has to win the electoral vote in a small number of states. he will not have the popular turnout to swing those elections because he has not gained voters. he has lost millions of supporters. his hardcore supporters are old people that are dying off. the gop is not raising younger generations of voters, the younger voters are more liberal, so they would never vote gop. the gop is a dying party. they gave their party to trump, and he has driven it into the ground, like every single facet of all of his businesses. unless there is huge electoral interference, trump will never be president again. he cannot win it legitimately.

    All sounds good to me, thanks.  I guess I have to stop reading things that get me paranoid else-wise!
    That younger voter argument was first made with Obama in 2008. Voters 20 years old then will be 36 for this election. That’s a huge swath of the electorate, yet trump is polling as good as anyone else. He can’t win it legitimately? I wish the pollsters agreed




    Don’t like national polls? Hers a bunch of swing state polls with Biden ahead in one




    20 house Dems now support cease fire, Keep supporting Hamas, like somehow that will end the horrible killing of civilians. No, supporting Hamas will split the Dems and get trump elected. Why isn’t the world demanding hamas to immediate surrender? 

    If the world community wanted peace and to spare lives, everyone would demand the immediate surrender of Hamas. They started this war.


    Funny have 20 dems come out in support of Hamas? has anyone come out in support of Hamas or is this another delusion?


    Cmon, it is well known Hamas will use ANY pause to restock its weapons, often using humanitarian aid to improve its ability to murder civilians.

    to refer to my comment as “another delusion” is borderline outside the rules here. 

    Give me some credit. I’m probably the only liberal here supporting Israel’s right to defend itself, and in the face of a very strong pro Palestine slant on this forum, this topic has remained open since the horrific start to this war Oct seven



    Edit, the guardian,


    “Pressure is building in Congress, where 18 House Democrats – all progressive lawmakers of color – joined a resolution calling for the White House to support “an immediate de-escalation and ceasefire in Israel and occupied Palestine”.
    Show me where they said they support Hamas and I will take back that the comment was a delusion.  Sure Israel has the right to defend itself and I don't think anyone disputes that, but for many the current actions of the IDF and Israeli government are crossing a line with collective punishment. Kind of like what the us Government did in Iraq and Afghanistan which was wrong then.  Supporting a cease fire and humanitarian aid in the face of the slaughter of civilians en mass in pursuit of some kind of blood debt does not equate supporting Hamas, that's hyperbole in the finest if you aren't with us you're against us vein.

    I appreciate your knowledge of the history of the region and the perspective you bring to the discussion.  Calling people that believe in protecting the lives of Palestinian children supporters of Hamas, however, is fiction.  

    The idea that the unarmed citizens of Palestine can just rise up against a well funded and well armed terrorist group is also outside the realm of reality.  

    A pause gives Hamas a chance to rearm itself to attack unarmed civilians, which is the only reason this war currently exists. Supporting a pause is supporting Hamas’ ability to wage war. Supporting a pause will lead to more fatalities. Those that support peace should instead be insisting Hamas surrender. If hamas can’t keep their people safe in the wake of their aggressions, that is evidence they are a failed leadership. They need to surrender to save lives.

    The battle of Mosul was very similar to this conflict, that was a bad idea? We should have let ISIL thrive there?
    Hamas likely doesn't even see the people of Palestine as their charge.  It's unrealistic to expect the unarmed Palestinians to oust them.  It is also unrealistic to expect a terror organization to just surrender especially when they are ok dying and burning the whole place to the ground. None of this justifies the killing of innocent civilians in the thousands by one of the most advanced militaries in the world, with the full backing of the US Government.

    I support peace and also support the surrender of Hamas. Unfortunately I don't think Hamas is ever going to give up.
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,155
    brianlux said:
    brianlux said:
    static111 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Israel: "Move south to safety.NOW!!!"

    also Israel : go ahead and commence bombing the south.

    https://apnews.com/article/northern-gaza-palestinians-israel-hamas-war-36109635f7bc90f403f0383d53a352e9   Fearing airstrikes and crowded shelters, Palestinians in north Gaza defy Israeli evacuation orders

     
    Fearing airstrikes and crowded shelters, Palestinians in north Gaza defy Israeli evacuation orders
    By SAMY MAGDY and WAFAA SHURAFA
    Today

    DEIR AL BALAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — Mahmoud Shalabi did not evacuate his home in northern Gaza despite the frightful Israeli warnings of a looming, far more brutal assault to come as it presses ahead with its war against the Hamas militant group.

    The Palestinian aid worker is among hundreds of thousands who have remained. Others who initially heeded the Israeli warnings to head south have returned to the territory's north, where Israel says it considers all those who stay possible “accomplices” of Hamas.

    Shalabi said leaving his home in Beit Lahia didn’t make sense considering the relentless bombardment of southern Gaza, where Israel has repeatedly urged the more than 1 million northern residents like him to seek refuge. The overcrowded shelters and shortages of water and food in the south played a part in their decisions, said Shalabi and others who remained.

    Risk death at home, or elsewhere in Gaza, they said.

    Leaving would be reasonable only if Israel stopped targeting the south, said Shalabi, who works for Medical Aid for Palestinians, a U.K.-based charity providing health services. “It doesn’t make sense to me that I should leave my home to go and get killed in a tent in the south of Gaza,” he said.

    The risks for those staying in the north are likely to rise exponentially in the event of an expected Israeli ground offensive, after two-and-a-half weeks of heavy bombardments have already claimed more than 6,500 lives in Gaza, according to the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry.

    With tens of thousands of troops massed along Israel's border with Gaza, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Wednesday Israel was preparing for a ground incursion. He refused to say when it would begin.

    Israeli military officials have said they are determined to crush Hamas in response to its brutal Oct. 7 attack on Israeli border communities, and the focus will be on the north, including Gaza City, where Israel says key Hamas assets, tunnels and bunkers are located.

    Some 350,000 Palestinians are still in northern Gaza, according to Israeli estimates. Military officials have repeatedly exhorted Palestinians to move south, but have not said whether the presence of a large number of civilians would be a factor in deciding whether to send in tanks and ground troops.

    Israel says it seeks to strike Hamas and doesn't target civilians, but Gaza health officials say many of those killed have been women and children. Those numbers are expected to climb with a ground offensive, which would likely see fierce fighting inside crowded urban areas.

    International rights groups have sharply criticized the Israeli evacuation orders, saying they cannot be considered effective warning to civilians, under the rules of international law, because of a lack of realistic options for those fleeing.

    “When the evacuation routes are bombed, when people north as well as south are caught up in hostilities, when the essentials for survival are lacking, and when there are no assurances for return, people are left with nothing but impossible choices,” said Lynn Hastings, the U.N. humanitarian coordinator for the Palestinian territories. “Nowhere is safe in Gaza.”

    Those staying put in the north are bracing for worse to come. They live among the ruins of once bustling neighborhoods while facing dire shortages of fuel, food and water amid looming hospital shutdowns.

    Services in the north have deteriorated since Israel’s evacuation order prompted at least 700,000 Palestinians to flee south. Most homes have no electricity, water or fuel.

    More than 1.4 million Gaza residents are now displaced across the narrow strip, out of a population of 2.3 million, and U.N. shelters are packed at triple their capacity, U.N. agencies say.

    In the north, entire neighborhoods have been reduced to rubble.

    "Everywhere there is debris, there are destroyed cars, there are destroyed houses. And it’s really difficult to get from one location to the other because there is no fuel,” Shalabi said.

    He said he walked for two hours to find a bakery still selling bread to feed his family of 10. Shop shelves are empty; residents are living on canned beans, pineapple, corn.

    The little fuel still available, often from private stockpiles, is sold for exorbitant prices. Some rent out small water pump motors, demanding 50 shekels ($12) an hour, a huge amount for the average Gaza resident.

    This week Shalabi ran out of cash, and scoured the blocks of dilapidated streets to find a functioning ATM. There were none.

    About 50,000 people are sheltering on the grounds of Shifa Hospital, Gaza's largest, in Gaza City. It is overwhelmed by a steady stream of wounded from airstrikes amid warnings that severe shortages of fuel, needed to power generators, could trigger a shutdown. No new fuel has been allowed into Gaza since the Oct. 7 raid.

    Still, many Palestinians are choosing to return north, tired of moving from place-to-place under Israeli fire as shelters become overcrowded and unlivable. U.N. monitors estimate 30,000 have returned.

    Ekhlas Ahmed, 24 and eight-months pregnant, was among them.

    A week ago, she fled Gaza City after repeated Israeli warnings to move south. She returned after the home she was sheltering in along with 14 other family members in the south was hit by an Israeli airstrike.

    “It was a residential building and they bombed it,” she said.

    Ahmed, who has a 4-year-old son, is hoping for a ceasefire.

    “I am very frightened. All of us are frightened,” she said.

    ___

    Magdy reported from Cairo. Associated Press writer Jack Jeffrey in Cairo contributed to this report.

    ___

    Find more of AP’s coverage at https://apnews.com/hub/israel-hamas-war


    Just Israel defending itself.


    Because Hamas of course didn’t follow the civilians to hide with them and under them.

    Keep it up, you must really want president trump back next year.
    is that the best ya got? threatening a return of president trump? lol.

    I wouldn’t laugh, he’s got yer electoral votes no problem. You really think Biden can take the swing states with liberals running around supporting the most extreme of Arab people? So extreme Egypt and Jordan don’t want their refugees? Keep laughing.
    news flash. trump will never be president again. wake up.
    He will if people like Lerxst vote for him to continue the unwavering support of wholesale slaughter of Gazans.

    Part of me thinks there is no way Trump will get elected as president again and part of me is concerned that it might happen, but as hard as it is to fathom, he is, after all, leading the GOP pack at this early stage.  I hope gimme is right-  I'd really really really like to be confident that he is right
    trump cannot win the popular vote, so he has to win the electoral vote in a small number of states. he will not have the popular turnout to swing those elections because he has not gained voters. he has lost millions of supporters. his hardcore supporters are old people that are dying off. the gop is not raising younger generations of voters, the younger voters are more liberal, so they would never vote gop. the gop is a dying party. they gave their party to trump, and he has driven it into the ground, like every single facet of all of his businesses. unless there is huge electoral interference, trump will never be president again. he cannot win it legitimately.

    All sounds good to me, thanks.  I guess I have to stop reading things that get me paranoid else-wise!
    That younger voter argument was first made with Obama in 2008. Voters 20 years old then will be 36 for this election. That’s a huge swath of the electorate, yet trump is polling as good as anyone else. He can’t win it legitimately? I wish the pollsters agreed




    Don’t like national polls? Hers a bunch of swing state polls with Biden ahead in one




    20 house Dems now support cease fire, Keep supporting Hamas, like somehow that will end the horrible killing of civilians. No, supporting Hamas will split the Dems and get trump elected. Why isn’t the world demanding hamas to immediate surrender? 

    If the world community wanted peace and to spare lives, everyone would demand the immediate surrender of Hamas. They started this war.


    hamas started this war as a result of palestinian subjugation.

    actually this is not the war. this is another flare up of the ongoing conflict that has been going on for decades.

    also, let us take very seriously polls that are a year out from the election....

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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,155
    mace1229 said:
    brianlux said:
    static111 said:
    mickeyrat said:
    Israel: "Move south to safety.NOW!!!"

    also Israel : go ahead and commence bombing the south.

    https://apnews.com/article/northern-gaza-palestinians-israel-hamas-war-36109635f7bc90f403f0383d53a352e9   Fearing airstrikes and crowded shelters, Palestinians in north Gaza defy Israeli evacuation orders

     
    Fearing airstrikes and crowded shelters, Palestinians in north Gaza defy Israeli evacuation orders
    By SAMY MAGDY and WAFAA SHURAFA
    Today

    DEIR AL BALAH, Gaza Strip (AP) — Mahmoud Shalabi did not evacuate his home in northern Gaza despite the frightful Israeli warnings of a looming, far more brutal assault to come as it presses ahead with its war against the Hamas militant group.

    The Palestinian aid worker is among hundreds of thousands who have remained. Others who initially heeded the Israeli warnings to head south have returned to the territory's north, where Israel says it considers all those who stay possible “accomplices” of Hamas.

    Shalabi said leaving his home in Beit Lahia didn’t make sense considering the relentless bombardment of southern Gaza, where Israel has repeatedly urged the more than 1 million northern residents like him to seek refuge. The overcrowded shelters and shortages of water and food in the south played a part in their decisions, said Shalabi and others who remained.

    Risk death at home, or elsewhere in Gaza, they said.

    Leaving would be reasonable only if Israel stopped targeting the south, said Shalabi, who works for Medical Aid for Palestinians, a U.K.-based charity providing health services. “It doesn’t make sense to me that I should leave my home to go and get killed in a tent in the south of Gaza,” he said.

    The risks for those staying in the north are likely to rise exponentially in the event of an expected Israeli ground offensive, after two-and-a-half weeks of heavy bombardments have already claimed more than 6,500 lives in Gaza, according to the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry.

    With tens of thousands of troops massed along Israel's border with Gaza, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Wednesday Israel was preparing for a ground incursion. He refused to say when it would begin.

    Israeli military officials have said they are determined to crush Hamas in response to its brutal Oct. 7 attack on Israeli border communities, and the focus will be on the north, including Gaza City, where Israel says key Hamas assets, tunnels and bunkers are located.

    Some 350,000 Palestinians are still in northern Gaza, according to Israeli estimates. Military officials have repeatedly exhorted Palestinians to move south, but have not said whether the presence of a large number of civilians would be a factor in deciding whether to send in tanks and ground troops.

    Israel says it seeks to strike Hamas and doesn't target civilians, but Gaza health officials say many of those killed have been women and children. Those numbers are expected to climb with a ground offensive, which would likely see fierce fighting inside crowded urban areas.

    International rights groups have sharply criticized the Israeli evacuation orders, saying they cannot be considered effective warning to civilians, under the rules of international law, because of a lack of realistic options for those fleeing.

    “When the evacuation routes are bombed, when people north as well as south are caught up in hostilities, when the essentials for survival are lacking, and when there are no assurances for return, people are left with nothing but impossible choices,” said Lynn Hastings, the U.N. humanitarian coordinator for the Palestinian territories. “Nowhere is safe in Gaza.”

    Those staying put in the north are bracing for worse to come. They live among the ruins of once bustling neighborhoods while facing dire shortages of fuel, food and water amid looming hospital shutdowns.

    Services in the north have deteriorated since Israel’s evacuation order prompted at least 700,000 Palestinians to flee south. Most homes have no electricity, water or fuel.

    More than 1.4 million Gaza residents are now displaced across the narrow strip, out of a population of 2.3 million, and U.N. shelters are packed at triple their capacity, U.N. agencies say.

    In the north, entire neighborhoods have been reduced to rubble.

    "Everywhere there is debris, there are destroyed cars, there are destroyed houses. And it’s really difficult to get from one location to the other because there is no fuel,” Shalabi said.

    He said he walked for two hours to find a bakery still selling bread to feed his family of 10. Shop shelves are empty; residents are living on canned beans, pineapple, corn.

    The little fuel still available, often from private stockpiles, is sold for exorbitant prices. Some rent out small water pump motors, demanding 50 shekels ($12) an hour, a huge amount for the average Gaza resident.

    This week Shalabi ran out of cash, and scoured the blocks of dilapidated streets to find a functioning ATM. There were none.

    About 50,000 people are sheltering on the grounds of Shifa Hospital, Gaza's largest, in Gaza City. It is overwhelmed by a steady stream of wounded from airstrikes amid warnings that severe shortages of fuel, needed to power generators, could trigger a shutdown. No new fuel has been allowed into Gaza since the Oct. 7 raid.

    Still, many Palestinians are choosing to return north, tired of moving from place-to-place under Israeli fire as shelters become overcrowded and unlivable. U.N. monitors estimate 30,000 have returned.

    Ekhlas Ahmed, 24 and eight-months pregnant, was among them.

    A week ago, she fled Gaza City after repeated Israeli warnings to move south. She returned after the home she was sheltering in along with 14 other family members in the south was hit by an Israeli airstrike.

    “It was a residential building and they bombed it,” she said.

    Ahmed, who has a 4-year-old son, is hoping for a ceasefire.

    “I am very frightened. All of us are frightened,” she said.

    ___

    Magdy reported from Cairo. Associated Press writer Jack Jeffrey in Cairo contributed to this report.

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    Find more of AP’s coverage at https://apnews.com/hub/israel-hamas-war


    Just Israel defending itself.


    Because Hamas of course didn’t follow the civilians to hide with them and under them.

    Keep it up, you must really want president trump back next year.
    is that the best ya got? threatening a return of president trump? lol.

    I wouldn’t laugh, he’s got yer electoral votes no problem. You really think Biden can take the swing states with liberals running around supporting the most extreme of Arab people? So extreme Egypt and Jordan don’t want their refugees? Keep laughing.
    news flash. trump will never be president again. wake up.
    He will if people like Lerxst vote for him to continue the unwavering support of wholesale slaughter of Gazans.

    Part of me thinks there is no way Trump will get elected as president again and part of me is concerned that it might happen, but as hard as it is to fathom, he is, after all, leading the GOP pack at this early stage.  I hope gimme is right-  I'd really really really like to be confident that he is right
    trump cannot win the popular vote, so he has to win the electoral vote in a small number of states. he will not have the popular turnout to swing those elections because he has not gained voters. he has lost millions of supporters. his hardcore supporters are old people that are dying off. the gop is not raising younger generations of voters, the younger voters are more liberal, so they would never vote gop. the gop is a dying party. they gave their party to trump, and he has driven it into the ground, like every single facet of all of his businesses. unless there is huge electoral interference, trump will never be president again. he cannot win it legitimately.
    Don't most polls show a tight race, and many giving Trump a slight lead? 
    again polls 52 weeks from the election. trump could be in jail in a year.
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,155
    why are more and more settlements being built?

    this is the root of the issue as far as i am concerned. the settlement expansion is illegal, and israel keeps doing it. the government has at one time subsidized the settlers to move there. seems to me, if i am that concerned about the safety of my people, i would not pay people to fucking move onto land that is not theirs.
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    "Well, you tell him that I don't talk to suckas."
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