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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 36,065
    https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-gaza-hamas-war-refugees-6cf0ff04e513ecec12cf9152656ac1b6   Gaza hospitals are overwhelmed with patients and desperately low on supplies as invasion looms

     
    Gaza hospitals are overwhelmed with patients and desperately low on supplies as invasion looms
    By NAJIB JOBAIN, SAMYA KULLAB and RAVI NESSMAN
    31 mins ago

    KHAN YOUNIS, Gaza Strip (AP) — Medics in Gaza warned Sunday that thousands could die as hospitals packed with wounded people ran desperately low on fuel and basic supplies. Palestinians in the besieged coastal enclave struggled to find food, water and safety ahead of an expected Israeli ground offensive in the war sparked by Hamas' deadly attack.

    Israeli forces, supported by a growing deployment of U.S. warships in the region, positioned themselves along Gaza’s border and drilled for what Israel said would be a broad campaign to dismantle the militant group. A week of blistering airstrikes have demolished entire neighborhoods but failed to stem militant rocket fire into Israel.

    The Gaza Health Ministry said 2,670 Palestinians have been killed and 9,600 wounded since the fighting erupted, more than in the 2014 Gaza war, which lasted over six weeks. That makes this the deadliest of the five Gaza wars for both sides.

    More than 1,400 Israelis were killed, the vast majority of them civilians, in Hamas' Oct. 7 assault. At least 155 others, including children, were captured by Hamas and taken into Gaza, according to Israel. It's also the deadliest war for Israel since the 1973 conflict with Egypt and Syria.

    The U.S. State Department said Secretary of State Antony Blinken would return to Israel on Monday after completing a frantic six-country tour through Arab nations aimed at preventing the fighting from igniting a broader regional conflict.

    Fighting along Israel's border with Lebanon, which has flared since the start of the latest Gaza war, intensified Sunday with Hezbollah militants firing rockets and an anti-tank missile, and Israel responding with airstrikes and shelling. The Israeli military also reported shooting at one of its border posts. The fighting killed at least one person on the Israeli side and wounded several on both sides of the border.

    An Israeli drone fired two missiles late Sunday at a hill west of the town of Kfar Kila in south Lebanon, the state-run National News Agency reported. There were no casualties reported in the strikes, which hit near a Lebanese army center.

    The Israeli army said in a post on X, formerly known as Twitter, that it had hit Hezbollah targets but did not specify what they were.

    Hezbollah said in a statement that it had fired rockets toward an Israeli military position in the northern border town Shtula in retaliation for Israeli shelling that killed Reuters videographer Issam Abdallah on Friday and two Lebanese civilians on Saturday.

    A Hezbollah spokeswoman, Rana Sahili, said the increased fighting represented a “warning” and did not mean Hezbollah has decided to enter the war.

    With the situation in Gaza growing increasingly desperate, the U.S. named David Satterfield, the former U.S. ambassador to Turkey with years of experience in Mideast diplomacy, to be special envoy for Middle East humanitarian issues. U.S. national security adviser Jake Sullivan said in a statement Sunday that Satterfield will focus on getting humanitarian assistance to Palestinians in Gaza.

    Hospitals in Gaza are expected to run out of generator fuel within two days, endangering the lives of thousands of patients, according to the U.N. Gaza’s sole power plant shut down for lack of fuel after Israel completely sealed off the 40-kilometer (25-mile) long territory following the Hamas attack.

    In Nasser Hospital, in the southern town of Khan Younis, intensive care rooms were packed with wounded patients, most of them children under the age of 3. Hundreds of people with severe blast injuries have come to the hospital, where fuel is expected to run out by Monday, said Dr. Mohammed Qandeel, a consultant at the critical care complex.

    There are 35 patients in the ICU who require ventilators and another 60 on dialysis. If fuel runs out, “it means the whole health system will be shut down,” he said, as children moaned in pain in the background. “All these patients are in danger of death if the electricity is cut off."

    Dr. Hussam Abu Safiya, the head of pediatrics at the Kamal Adwan Hospital in northern Gaza, said the facility did not evacuate despite Israeli orders. There were seven newborns in the ICU hooked up to ventilators, he said. Evacuating “would mean death for them and other patients under our care.”

    Ahmed Al-Mandhari, the regional director of the World Health Organization, said hospitals were able to move some mobile patients out of the north, but most patients can’t be evacuated, he said.

    Shifa hospital in Gaza City, the territory's largest, said it would bury 100 bodies in a mass grave as an emergency measure after its morgue overflowed. Tens of thousands of people seeking safety have gathered in the hospital compound.

    Gaza was already in a humanitarian crisis due to a growing shortage of water and medical supplies caused by the Israeli siege.

    “An unprecedented humanitarian catastrophe is unfolding under our eyes,” said Philippe Lazzarini, the head of the U.N. agency for Palestinian refugees.

    Sullivan told CNN that Israeli officials told him they had turned the water back on in southern Gaza. Israel’s minister of energy and water, Israel Katz, said in a statement that water had been restored at one “specific point” in Gaza. A spokesman said the location was outside Khan Younis. Aid workers in Gaza said they had not yet seen evidence the water was back.

    Israel has ordered more than 1 million Palestinians — almost half the territory’s population — to move south. The military says it is trying to clear away civilians ahead of a major campaign against Hamas in the north, where it says the militants have extensive networks of tunnels, bunkers and rocket launchers.

    Hamas urged people to stay in their homes, and the Israeli military released photos it said showed a Hamas roadblock preventing traffic from moving south.

    Nevertheless, more than 600,000 people had evacuated the Gaza City area, said Israel’s chief military spokesman, Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari.

    About 500,000 people, nearly one quarter of Gaza’s population, were taking refuge in United Nations schools and other facilities across the territory, where water supplies were dwindling, said Juliette Touma, spokesperson for the U.N.’s Palestinian refugee agency. “Gaza is running dry,” she said.

    The agency says an estimated 1 million people have been displaced in Gaza in a single week.

    The U.S. has been trying to broker a deal to reopen Egypt’s Rafah crossing with Gaza to allow Americans and other foreigners to leave and humanitarian aid amassed on the Egyptian side to be brought in. The crossing, which was closed because of airstrikes early in the war, has yet to reopen.

    Israel has said the siege will only be lifted when the captives are returned.

    Hamas rocket attacks on Israel continued Sunday, spurring a broader evacuation from the southern Israeli city of Sderot. The city of about 34,000 people sits about a mile (1.6 kilometers) from Gaza and has been a frequent rocket target. “The kids are traumatized, they can’t sleep at night,” Yossi Edri told Channel 13 before boarding a bus.

    The military said Sunday an airstrike in southern Gaza had killed a Hamas commander blamed for the killings at Nirim, one of several communities Hamas attacked in southern Israel. Israel said it struck over 100 military targets overnight, including command centers and rocket launchers.

    Israel has called up some 360,000 military reserves and massed troops and tanks along the border with Gaza. Israeli officials gave no timetable for a ground invasion.

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    Kullab reported from Baghdad, Nessman reported from Jerusalem. Associated Press writers Julia Frankel and Amy Teibel in Jerusalem, Abby Sewell in Beirut and Samy Magdy in Cairo contributed to this report.


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    BBC News - Why Egypt remains reluctant to open Rafah crossing to Gaza https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67133675
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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 36,065
    imminent threat is easy to claim....

    they have now delared war against islam.....

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    mickeyrat said:
    imminent threat is easy to claim....

    they have now delared war against islam.....

    More like war on Terrorism…get your facts right rat…
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,806
    Sigh... so much anger...
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,359
    mickeyrat said:
    imminent threat is easy to claim....

    they have now delared war against islam.....

    More like war on Terrorism…get your facts right rat…
    Oh boy get your facts straight not all Muslims are terrorist! Damn 
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,359
    Just like not all Black Americans are thugs gang bangers or all immigrants rapist and thieves! 
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    Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,184
    mickeyrat said:
    imminent threat is easy to claim....

    they have now delared war against islam.....

    More like war on Terrorism…get your facts right rat…
    Oh boy get your facts straight not all Muslims are terrorist! Damn 

    So come to the table and negotiate?
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    gimmesometruth27gimmesometruth27 St. Fuckin Louis Posts: 22,196
    mickeyrat said:
    imminent threat is easy to claim....

    they have now delared war against islam.....

    More like war on Terrorism…get your facts right rat…
    using terrorism to fight terrorism is the american way.
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,806
    Bummer, huh?  They had no choice but to allow humanitarian aid rather than just let those damn women and children starve to death.  Funny though, he didn't mention the aid barely scratches the surface of what they need.

    "During the meeting, Defense Minister Yaov Gallant was pressed on why the government agreed to allow humanitarian aid into Gaza from Egypt before the hostages have been returned.

    “The Americans insisted and we are not in a place where we can refuse them. We rely on them for planes and military equipment. What are we supposed to do? Tell them no?” Gallant responds"

    https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/gallant-we-cant-say-no-to-the-us-on-humanitarian-aid-given-how-much-they-do-for-us/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

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    Gaza’s 2.3 million Palestinians, half of whom have fled their homes, are rationing food and drinking dirty water. Hospitals say they are running low on medical supplies and fuel for emergency generators amid a territory-wide power blackout. Five hospitals have stopped functioning because of fuel shortages and bombing damage, the Hamas-run Health Ministry said.

    Doctors reported using sewing needles to stitch wounds, and using vinegar as a disinfectant until the shops ran out. With anesthesia running low, the screams of patients could be heard during surgery.

    Doctors Without Borders said Gaza’s health care system is “facing collapse.”

    https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-gaza-captives-border-aid-f5976ed58ba508f14d45b72b428125ac?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email

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    FiveBelowFiveBelow Lubbock, TX Posts: 1,211

    Declared war against Islam? That seems like a hair-trigger response to the operation that was carried out, Mick. They declared war against Hamas, a terrorist organization, as defined by the US State Department since 1997. I imagine this is the exact type of response Hamas hoped for when they strategically placed their “underground terror compound” beneath a mosque. If Israel declared war against Islam, that would be MAJOR “breaking” news.

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    FiveBelow said:

    Declared war against Islam? That seems like a hair-trigger response to the operation that was carried out, Mick. They declared war against Hamas, a terrorist organization, as defined by the US State Department since 1997. I imagine this is the exact type of response Hamas hoped for when they strategically placed their “underground terror compound” beneath a mosque. If Israel declared war against Islam, that would be MAJOR “breaking” news.


    They bombed a fucking mosque. How do you think thats seen by the Billion plus Muslims in the world? Do you think thats a legit MILITARY target?
    That action makes all synagogues and temples a target. More so than they already may have been.

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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 36,065
    watch for reports coming, and they surely will, of targets in the south being bombed or hit by missiles...

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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,806
    I just don't get how Israel's leaders- both government and military- can expect us to stand with them in their desire to remain an autonomous nation (an understandable and reasonable desire) while they continue to commit war crimes against innocent people (especially women and children who have nothing to do with this fighting), and at the same time only begrudgingly allow a trickled of humanitarian aid into Gaza.  WTF are they thinking?
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    FiveBelowFiveBelow Lubbock, TX Posts: 1,211
    mickeyrat said:
    FiveBelow said:

    Declared war against Islam? That seems like a hair-trigger response to the operation that was carried out, Mick. They declared war against Hamas, a terrorist organization, as defined by the US State Department since 1997. I imagine this is the exact type of response Hamas hoped for when they strategically placed their “underground terror compound” beneath a mosque. If Israel declared war against Islam, that would be MAJOR “breaking” news.


    They bombed a fucking mosque. How do you think thats seen by the Billion plus Muslims in the world? Do you think thats a legit MILITARY target?
    That action makes all synagogues and temples a target. More so than they already may have been.

    They bombed an underground terror compound, located beneath a mosque, run by Hamas. The same group they actually declared war against. I have not seen any source corroborate your earth shattering claim of war being declared on Islam. Again, that would be MAJOR news that nobody could ignore.
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    mickeyratmickeyrat up my ass, like Chadwick was up his Posts: 36,065
    FiveBelow said:
    mickeyrat said:
    FiveBelow said:

    Declared war against Islam? That seems like a hair-trigger response to the operation that was carried out, Mick. They declared war against Hamas, a terrorist organization, as defined by the US State Department since 1997. I imagine this is the exact type of response Hamas hoped for when they strategically placed their “underground terror compound” beneath a mosque. If Israel declared war against Islam, that would be MAJOR “breaking” news.


    They bombed a fucking mosque. How do you think thats seen by the Billion plus Muslims in the world? Do you think thats a legit MILITARY target?
    That action makes all synagogues and temples a target. More so than they already may have been.

    They bombed an underground terror compound, located beneath a mosque, run by Hamas. The same group they actually declared war against. I have not seen any source corroborate your earth shattering claim of war being declared on Islam. Again, that would be MAJOR news that nobody could ignore.

    and they miraculously left the mosque unharmed? gtfoh
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    Share Message - Israel's borders explained in maps https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-54116567
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,806
    brianlux said:
    I just don't get how Israel's leaders- both government and military- can expect us to stand with them in their desire to remain an autonomous nation (an understandable and reasonable desire) while they continue to commit war crimes against innocent people (especially women and children who have nothing to do with this fighting), and at the same time only begrudgingly allow a trickled of humanitarian aid into Gaza.  WTF are they thinking?

    This partly answers my own question:

    Most Israelis think Netanyahu responsible for failing to prevent Hamas attack, poll shows

    Reuters
    October 20, 20235:34 AM PDTUpdated 2 days ago

    JERUSALEM, Oct 20 (Reuters) - As many as 80% of Israelis believe Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu must take responsibility for the security failures exposed by the devastating Oct. 7 assault on Israeli by Hamas, a poll in the Ma'ariv newspaper showed on Friday.

    The army chief of staff, the head of military intelligence and the head of the Shin Bet intelligence service have all admitted their services failed to prevent the attack, in which some 1,400 Israelis were killed on the deadliest day in Israel's 75-year-old history.



    Let's not forget, a lot of Palestinian lives could have been saved as well.  It's a Clusterfuck Middle East.




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    FiveBelowFiveBelow Lubbock, TX Posts: 1,211
    mickeyrat said:
    FiveBelow said:
    mickeyrat said:
    FiveBelow said:

    Declared war against Islam? That seems like a hair-trigger response to the operation that was carried out, Mick. They declared war against Hamas, a terrorist organization, as defined by the US State Department since 1997. I imagine this is the exact type of response Hamas hoped for when they strategically placed their “underground terror compound” beneath a mosque. If Israel declared war against Islam, that would be MAJOR “breaking” news.


    They bombed a fucking mosque. How do you think thats seen by the Billion plus Muslims in the world? Do you think thats a legit MILITARY target?
    That action makes all synagogues and temples a target. More so than they already may have been.

    They bombed an underground terror compound, located beneath a mosque, run by Hamas. The same group they actually declared war against. I have not seen any source corroborate your earth shattering claim of war being declared on Islam. Again, that would be MAJOR news that nobody could ignore.

    and they miraculously left the mosque unharmed? gtfoh
    So, an operation carried out against the group that war was waged against is seen as declaring war on Islam (to only you, apparently) because a mosque sustained collateral damage? Gotcha. I’m sure the press will corroborate your fantasy in no time. 
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,806
    FiveBelow said:
    mickeyrat said:
    FiveBelow said:
    mickeyrat said:
    FiveBelow said:

    Declared war against Islam? That seems like a hair-trigger response to the operation that was carried out, Mick. They declared war against Hamas, a terrorist organization, as defined by the US State Department since 1997. I imagine this is the exact type of response Hamas hoped for when they strategically placed their “underground terror compound” beneath a mosque. If Israel declared war against Islam, that would be MAJOR “breaking” news.


    They bombed a fucking mosque. How do you think thats seen by the Billion plus Muslims in the world? Do you think thats a legit MILITARY target?
    That action makes all synagogues and temples a target. More so than they already may have been.

    They bombed an underground terror compound, located beneath a mosque, run by Hamas. The same group they actually declared war against. I have not seen any source corroborate your earth shattering claim of war being declared on Islam. Again, that would be MAJOR news that nobody could ignore.

    and they miraculously left the mosque unharmed? gtfoh
    So, an operation carried out against the group that war was waged against is seen as declaring war on Islam (to only you, apparently) because a mosque sustained collateral damage? Gotcha. I’m sure the press will corroborate your fantasy in no time. 

    I think there's a lot more going on in this war than just a war on religion- like most wars, it is also about resources, border lines, and power, but I certainly would include religion as a factor in why this war is being wages.  It's one of the longest standing factors.

    Speaking of wars- goddamn, this place has been hostile lately.  Nasty, angry, spiteful, bating, sarcastic, bitter- seen it all here.  Like there isn't enough hostility and hate in the world already?  And not just here.  Everywhere.  Fuck me, I'm I the only one who gets tired of this shit?
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    FiveBelowFiveBelow Lubbock, TX Posts: 1,211
    brianlux said:
    FiveBelow said:
    mickeyrat said:
    FiveBelow said:
    mickeyrat said:
    FiveBelow said:

    Declared war against Islam? That seems like a hair-trigger response to the operation that was carried out, Mick. They declared war against Hamas, a terrorist organization, as defined by the US State Department since 1997. I imagine this is the exact type of response Hamas hoped for when they strategically placed their “underground terror compound” beneath a mosque. If Israel declared war against Islam, that would be MAJOR “breaking” news.


    They bombed a fucking mosque. How do you think thats seen by the Billion plus Muslims in the world? Do you think thats a legit MILITARY target?
    That action makes all synagogues and temples a target. More so than they already may have been.

    They bombed an underground terror compound, located beneath a mosque, run by Hamas. The same group they actually declared war against. I have not seen any source corroborate your earth shattering claim of war being declared on Islam. Again, that would be MAJOR news that nobody could ignore.

    and they miraculously left the mosque unharmed? gtfoh
    So, an operation carried out against the group that war was waged against is seen as declaring war on Islam (to only you, apparently) because a mosque sustained collateral damage? Gotcha. I’m sure the press will corroborate your fantasy in no time. 

    I think there's a lot more going on in this war than just a war on religion- like most wars, it is also about resources, border lines, and power, but I certainly would include religion as a factor in why this war is being wages.  It's one of the longest standing factors.

    Speaking of wars- goddamn, this place has been hostile lately.  Nasty, angry, spiteful, bating, sarcastic, bitter- seen it all here.  Like there isn't enough hostility and hate in the world already?  And not just here.  Everywhere.  Fuck me, I'm I the only one who gets tired of this shit?
    You’re right, Brian. There is a lot going on in this war, and I know I’m not qualified to claim the reasoning behind any of it. When I see “they have now declared war against Islam” my attention is drawn, because if verified, that ramps things up quite a bit. I strongly disagree with that statement, given the specific information that evoked it. Rarely do I feel the need to enter into these conversations (because of the reasons you listed), this just happened to be one of those occasions. 
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    brianluxbrianlux Moving through All Kinds of Terrain. Posts: 40,806
    FiveBelow said:
    brianlux said:
    FiveBelow said:
    mickeyrat said:
    FiveBelow said:
    mickeyrat said:
    FiveBelow said:

    Declared war against Islam? That seems like a hair-trigger response to the operation that was carried out, Mick. They declared war against Hamas, a terrorist organization, as defined by the US State Department since 1997. I imagine this is the exact type of response Hamas hoped for when they strategically placed their “underground terror compound” beneath a mosque. If Israel declared war against Islam, that would be MAJOR “breaking” news.


    They bombed a fucking mosque. How do you think thats seen by the Billion plus Muslims in the world? Do you think thats a legit MILITARY target?
    That action makes all synagogues and temples a target. More so than they already may have been.

    They bombed an underground terror compound, located beneath a mosque, run by Hamas. The same group they actually declared war against. I have not seen any source corroborate your earth shattering claim of war being declared on Islam. Again, that would be MAJOR news that nobody could ignore.

    and they miraculously left the mosque unharmed? gtfoh
    So, an operation carried out against the group that war was waged against is seen as declaring war on Islam (to only you, apparently) because a mosque sustained collateral damage? Gotcha. I’m sure the press will corroborate your fantasy in no time. 

    I think there's a lot more going on in this war than just a war on religion- like most wars, it is also about resources, border lines, and power, but I certainly would include religion as a factor in why this war is being wages.  It's one of the longest standing factors.

    Speaking of wars- goddamn, this place has been hostile lately.  Nasty, angry, spiteful, bating, sarcastic, bitter- seen it all here.  Like there isn't enough hostility and hate in the world already?  And not just here.  Everywhere.  Fuck me, I'm I the only one who gets tired of this shit?
    You’re right, Brian. There is a lot going on in this war, and I know I’m not qualified to claim the reasoning behind any of it. When I see “they have now declared war against Islam” my attention is drawn, because if verified, that ramps things up quite a bit. I strongly disagree with that statement, given the specific information that evoked it. Rarely do I feel the need to enter into these conversations (because of the reasons you listed), this just happened to be one of those occasions. 

    Yeah, I hear you FB, about sometimes not being inclined to enter in here.  Sometime I almost feel the need to say, "My name is Brian and I'm an AMT addict".  One the reason I do keep coming back is because with my no longer working outside the home (and even then, only part time when I want to) and my limited experience with forums, this is the only place I go where people regularly talk about current events.  This place is flawed, but as my wife once said, "Well, we're all a bit damaged."

    Sorry if I came across as incorrigible or overly animated.  It just all seems so whirly these days, this crazy mixed up world. 
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    brianlux said:
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    mickeyrat said:
    FiveBelow said:

    Declared war against Islam? That seems like a hair-trigger response to the operation that was carried out, Mick. They declared war against Hamas, a terrorist organization, as defined by the US State Department since 1997. I imagine this is the exact type of response Hamas hoped for when they strategically placed their “underground terror compound” beneath a mosque. If Israel declared war against Islam, that would be MAJOR “breaking” news.


    They bombed a fucking mosque. How do you think thats seen by the Billion plus Muslims in the world? Do you think thats a legit MILITARY target?
    That action makes all synagogues and temples a target. More so than they already may have been.

    They bombed an underground terror compound, located beneath a mosque, run by Hamas. The same group they actually declared war against. I have not seen any source corroborate your earth shattering claim of war being declared on Islam. Again, that would be MAJOR news that nobody could ignore.

    and they miraculously left the mosque unharmed? gtfoh
    So, an operation carried out against the group that war was waged against is seen as declaring war on Islam (to only you, apparently) because a mosque sustained collateral damage? Gotcha. I’m sure the press will corroborate your fantasy in no time. 

    I think there's a lot more going on in this war than just a war on religion- like most wars, it is also about resources, border lines, and power, but I certainly would include religion as a factor in why this war is being wages.  It's one of the longest standing factors.

    Speaking of wars- goddamn, this place has been hostile lately.  Nasty, angry, spiteful, bating, sarcastic, bitter- seen it all here.  Like there isn't enough hostility and hate in the world already?  And not just here.  Everywhere.  Fuck me, I'm I the only one who gets tired of this shit?
    I think it's mostly religion.  It's so engrained that it shows up in some different areas, but it's religion at the root of everything. 
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    Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,184
    brianlux said:
    FiveBelow said:
    mickeyrat said:
    FiveBelow said:
    mickeyrat said:
    FiveBelow said:

    Declared war against Islam? That seems like a hair-trigger response to the operation that was carried out, Mick. They declared war against Hamas, a terrorist organization, as defined by the US State Department since 1997. I imagine this is the exact type of response Hamas hoped for when they strategically placed their “underground terror compound” beneath a mosque. If Israel declared war against Islam, that would be MAJOR “breaking” news.


    They bombed a fucking mosque. How do you think thats seen by the Billion plus Muslims in the world? Do you think thats a legit MILITARY target?
    That action makes all synagogues and temples a target. More so than they already may have been.

    They bombed an underground terror compound, located beneath a mosque, run by Hamas. The same group they actually declared war against. I have not seen any source corroborate your earth shattering claim of war being declared on Islam. Again, that would be MAJOR news that nobody could ignore.

    and they miraculously left the mosque unharmed? gtfoh
    So, an operation carried out against the group that war was waged against is seen as declaring war on Islam (to only you, apparently) because a mosque sustained collateral damage? Gotcha. I’m sure the press will corroborate your fantasy in no time. 

    I think there's a lot more going on in this war than just a war on religion- like most wars, it is also about resources, border lines, and power, but I certainly would include religion as a factor in why this war is being wages.  It's one of the longest standing factors.

    Speaking of wars- goddamn, this place has been hostile lately.  Nasty, angry, spiteful, bating, sarcastic, bitter- seen it all here.  Like there isn't enough hostility and hate in the world already?  And not just here.  Everywhere.  Fuck me, I'm I the only one who gets tired of this shit?
    I think it's mostly religion.  It's so engrained that it shows up in some different areas, but it's religion at the root of everything. 


    Why don’t we simply take Palestinians at their word, which is the complete eradication of Israel and the zionists, whether man, woman, or child?
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    Lerxst1992Lerxst1992 Posts: 6,184
    Two more hostages have been released from Hamas custody 


    Good, news. Maybe there’s reason for hope
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    josevolutionjosevolution Posts: 28,359
    Two more hostages have been released from Hamas custody 


    Good, news. Maybe there’s reason for hope
    What’s really perplexing at least to me why aren’t they releasing the kids 1st so far they’ve released  4 adults am I wrong? 
    jesus greets me looks just like me ....
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