Titanic Sub

Gern Blansten

I'm curious if more will come out about the CEO being desperate for cash or something. Kind of an "if this works all our problems are solved" situation.

mickeyrat

heard audio of the mother of the 19 yr old. what was initially reported was false. that came from an aunt who hadnt been in contact for some time.  the wife/mother was supposed to go but the son was excited. sooo now she mourns both.

gimmesometruth27

OnWis97 said:

It does seem like there is additional piling on because the people in need of rescue are billionaires. We pay taxes for a lot of rescue services (fire, police, etc.) and if all goes well, we won't need to "cash in." So I am not going to lose any sleep about money being spent trying to rescue people.

That said, this point matters, too...

gimmesometruth27 said:

Gern Blansten said:

this is why i called the billionaires selfish in my first post on this topic. i would have been livid if someone died searching for these people.

...We also pay for the expertise of those in charge of the rescues, which includes weighing the risks to the rescuers themselves and I'm not sure whether extra pressure to save these "important people" existed, but I'm glad nobody else died in the effort.

10 bucks said you paid a higher tax rate than said billionaires though.

mace1229

gimmesometruth27 said:

Gern Blansten said:

It's an odd situation but they about have to respond. It's great training if nothing else.

I'm just glad that no one got killed during the response. That would be even more tragic.

this is why i called the billionaires selfish in my first post on this topic. i would have been livid if someone died searching for these people.

Was there much of a risk of anyone dying? No one was using other subs to dive down and look for them. It was all by plane or boat. And some remote unmanned robotic subs. I doubt any of the rescuers were in any real danger, if a plane suffered a mechanical failure and crashed looking for them it was going to the next time it was out anyway.
Ive thought for a very long time we should fine people for their stupidity though. Time and resources are wasted by so many stupid people taking unnecessary risks. Billionaires, or their heirs in this case, can cover the cost of a rescue attempt.

mickeyrat

unmanned rov at the ocean floor. And I would imagine the early part of the search included Sono buoys dropped it varying depths

  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65991651

mickeyrat

https://www.navytimes.com/news/your-navy/2023/06/21/how-the-us-military-is-aiding-in-the-search-for-the-titan-submersible/

mace1229

mickeyrat said:

unmanned rov at the ocean floor. And I would imagine the early part of the search included Sono buoys dropped it varying depths

  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-65991651

Yeah, I remember one of the coast guard briefings they said they were dropping sonar buoys every few miles and had detected nothing the first few days. Then thats where the strange, possibly banging, noises were detected day 3 or 4. One reason they believe it imploded when they lost contact was because no implosion sound was detected on those buoys later. Although that’s kind of assumed anyway I think.

gimmesometruth27

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Gern Blansten said:

It's an odd situation but they about have to respond. It's great training if nothing else.

I'm just glad that no one got killed during the response. That would be even more tragic.

this is why i called the billionaires selfish in my first post on this topic. i would have been livid if someone died searching for these people.

Was there much of a risk of anyone dying? No one was using other subs to dive down and look for them. It was all by plane or boat. And some remote unmanned robotic subs. I doubt any of the rescuers were in any real danger, if a plane suffered a mechanical failure and crashed looking for them it was going to the next time it was out anyway.
Ive thought for a very long time we should fine people for their stupidity though. Time and resources are wasted by so many stupid people taking unnecessary risks. Billionaires, or their heirs in this case, can cover the cost of a rescue attempt.

at the time this was going on i did not know about the risk of anybody else dying. i was saying that if someone did die i would be livid. i did not know if there were going to be people out there on boats with a manned sub going underwater looking for them.

i think my concerns were valid. especially knowing now that they knew those people died soon after submerging and losing contact and they still spent 4 days out there looking for them.

mace1229

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Gern Blansten said:

It's an odd situation but they about have to respond. It's great training if nothing else.

I'm just glad that no one got killed during the response. That would be even more tragic.

this is why i called the billionaires selfish in my first post on this topic. i would have been livid if someone died searching for these people.

Was there much of a risk of anyone dying? No one was using other subs to dive down and look for them. It was all by plane or boat. And some remote unmanned robotic subs. I doubt any of the rescuers were in any real danger, if a plane suffered a mechanical failure and crashed looking for them it was going to the next time it was out anyway.
Ive thought for a very long time we should fine people for their stupidity though. Time and resources are wasted by so many stupid people taking unnecessary risks. Billionaires, or their heirs in this case, can cover the cost of a rescue attempt.

at the time this was going on i did not know about the risk of anybody else dying. i was saying that if someone did die i would be livid. i did not know if there were going to be people out there on boats with a manned sub going underwater looking for them.

i think my concerns were valid. especially knowing now that they knew those people died soon after submerging and losing contact and they still spent 4 days out there looking for them.

I agree. But I was pretty certain from the beginning these people had no chance of survival and they wouldn’t risk further loss of life.
The chances of them losing communications but floating safely at the surface seemed very small. And the chances of them being intact at the bottom seemed even less likely since it was designed to float if something did go wrong. And even if they were alive at the bottom, they’d have about 2-3 days to attempt a rescue. Every time the media asked the coast guard if that was even possible in that time frame he wouldn’t answer. Probably couldn’t even get the equipment there in time, let alone complete any rescue attempt.

The one really dumb thing about this design too was it could only be opened from the outside. So if it did surface and drift off course, they would still run out of air and die if not rescued in the 96 hours.

Gern Blansten

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

mace1229 said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

Gern Blansten said:

It's an odd situation but they about have to respond. It's great training if nothing else.

I'm just glad that no one got killed during the response. That would be even more tragic.

this is why i called the billionaires selfish in my first post on this topic. i would have been livid if someone died searching for these people.

Was there much of a risk of anyone dying? No one was using other subs to dive down and look for them. It was all by plane or boat. And some remote unmanned robotic subs. I doubt any of the rescuers were in any real danger, if a plane suffered a mechanical failure and crashed looking for them it was going to the next time it was out anyway.
Ive thought for a very long time we should fine people for their stupidity though. Time and resources are wasted by so many stupid people taking unnecessary risks. Billionaires, or their heirs in this case, can cover the cost of a rescue attempt.

at the time this was going on i did not know about the risk of anybody else dying. i was saying that if someone did die i would be livid. i did not know if there were going to be people out there on boats with a manned sub going underwater looking for them.

i think my concerns were valid. especially knowing now that they knew those people died soon after submerging and losing contact and they still spent 4 days out there looking for them.

I agree. But I was pretty certain from the beginning these people had no chance of survival and they wouldn’t risk further loss of life.
The chances of them losing communications but floating safely at the surface seemed very small. And the chances of them being intact at the bottom seemed even less likely since it was designed to float if something did go wrong. And even if they were alive at the bottom, they’d have about 2-3 days to attempt a rescue. Every time the media asked the coast guard if that was even possible in that time frame he wouldn’t answer. Probably couldn’t even get the equipment there in time, let alone complete any rescue attempt.

The one really dumb thing about this design too was it could only be opened from the outside. So if it did surface and drift off course, they would still run out of air and die if not rescued in the 96 hours.

Everything about it was just stupid...totally fucked up operation. I still can't believe people paid for that shit.

F Me In The Brain

Baffling that people are still obsessing about this.
JonBenet must have just left their radar.

So much more worthwhile stuff to obsess about.
(Like Dave A or Where pearl Jam will play next.  )

Gern Blansten

I'm not seeing any big news orgs pick it up yet but the text messages between the sub and the top are out.

Assuming they are legit it looks like there were aware of a problem and had begun to ascend. They reported cracking noises and alarm going off. Probably 15 minutes or so of dealing with that before it imploded.

mickeyrat

didnt see this coming....

https://apnews.com/article/titan-submersible-oceangate-suspends-operations-f3da3c689951fc231e653443c76eac08

 

OceanGate suspends operations after its Titan submersible imploded on its way to the Titanic

By Patrick Whittle

2 hours ago

The company that owned a submersible that imploded on its way to explore the wreck of the Titanic, killing all five onboard, said Thursday it has suspended operations.

OceanGate announced the action in a brief statement posted atop its website. Contacted for additional information, a spokesperson declined to comment further. Among those killed in the implosion was Stockton Rush, the submersible’s pilot and chief executive officer of the company.

Investigators believe the Titan imploded as it made its descent into deep North Atlantic waters on June 18. The Coast Guard said last week that human remains have likely been recovered from the wreckage of the submersible and are being examined by medical officials in the U.S.

Remotely operated vehicles, known as ROVs, were used to retrieve the debris from the ocean floor about 12,500 feet (3,810 meters) underwater and a ship later brought pieces of the wreckage to a port in Canada to be examined. The debris was found roughly 1,600 feet away (488 meters) from the Titanic.

The U.S. Coast Guard has convened a Marine Board of Investigation, its highest level of investigation, into the implosion, and plans to hold a public hearing in the future. The Coast Guard did not respond to an emailed request for comment on Thursday.

In its statement Thursday, OceanGate said it “has suspended all exploration and commercial operations,” but didn't elaborate. The site still contained a photo of the wreck of the Titanic along with the tagline “explore the world's most famous shipwreck,” but it wasn't possible to book a trip and some of the site's other features were broken.

A spokesperson for OceanGate, Andrew Von Kerens said later Thursday that the company wasn’t releasing any additional information.

OceanGate is based in Everett, Washington, and OceanGate Expeditions, a related company that led the Titan’s dives to the Titanic, is registered in the Bahamas.

The multiday search and eventual recovery of debris from the 22-foot (6.7-meter) vessel captured attention around the world.

Legal experts have said they expect family members of those killed to file lawsuits not only against OceanGate, but also against the Titan's maker and companies that provided parts. But if OceanGate totally shuts down, that certainly reduces their options, said Richard Daynard, a distinguished professor at Northeastern University School of Law.

“There's essentially no chance of recovering damages" from the company if it's no longer operating, he said.

Additionally, the passengers were most likely asked to sign liability waivers. One of the waivers, signed by a person who planned to go on an OceanGate expedition, stated that passengers on the Titan could experience physical injury, disability, emotional trauma and death.

Also killed in the implosion were two members of a prominent Pakistani family, Shahzada Dawood and his son Suleman Dawood; British adventurer Hamish Harding; and Titanic expert Paul-Henri Nargeolet. The company charged passengers $250,000 each to participate in the voyage.

The Transportation Safety Board of Canada is conducting a safety investigation into the Titan’s Canadian-flagged mother ship, the Polar Prince. Officials with the safety board did not respond to emailed requests for comment on Thursday.

Ledbetterman10

I recently watched the James Cameron documentary Ghosts of the Abyss about his crew’s voyages down to the Titanic. Not the greatest doc, but talk about professionalism, and planning, and safety and everything else that goes along with an endeavor like that. Polar opposite of OceanGate. 

gimmesometruth27

Ledbetterman10 said:

I recently watched the James Cameron documentary Ghosts of the Abyss about his crew’s voyages down to the Titanic. Not the greatest doc, but talk about professionalism, and planning, and safety and everything else that goes along with an endeavor like that. Polar opposite of OceanGate. 

i take it no video game controller was used...

benjs

Ledbetterman10 said:

I recently watched the James Cameron documentary Ghosts of the Abyss about his crew’s voyages down to the Titanic. Not the greatest doc, but talk about professionalism, and planning, and safety and everything else that goes along with an endeavor like that. Polar opposite of OceanGate. 

Cameron reportedly told someone at OceanGate years ago they’d be stupid to go down in that thing, based on how composite materials experience sudden decreases in strength after repeated exposure to pressure. The way he described it, you might be fine going down 19-20 times, but you could be damn sure it would suddenly experience a dramatic loss of strength that would make a future excursion a large risk. If I recall, he stated their testing was insufficient if they hadn’t tested to complete failure, because they wouldn’t know when that degradation would occur.