Titanic Sub

tbergs

curmudgeoness said:

Gern Blansten said:

It does seem odd to focus on five people that willingly put themselves in danger when 82 are dead on the greek migrant ship.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2023/06/21/greek-boat-capsize-fallout-focus-greece-government/70342879007/

I've seen criticism of the coast guard for "taking too long" but honestly how could that possibly be considered their responsibility?

The migrant boat tragedy likely is far worse than that. They've accounted for just over 100 survivors but an estimated 750 people were on the boat. It's very possible that over 600 people died.

I'm not going to mock or make light of the people on the submersible. Bad decisions were made, but they're human beings with friends and family who I'm sure are worried sick about what happened to them. I take issue with the news coverage; yesterday at one point, there were eleven articles on the WaPo website about the submersible -- one a commentary on the disproportionate coverage of the sub vs. the migrant ship. That sends a certain message, and it reflects poorly on the media and their audience.  When it comes to the migrants' boat, I am reminded of a line from The Wire: "They're dead where it doesn't count." I subscribe to and generally respect WaPo, but I'm getting push notifications and reminders of live updates about the sub and crickets about the migrant ship, and that doesn't sit right with me.

Yes, I was shocked at the number of WaPo articles yesterday as well. I also subscribe to them and read about the migrant fishing trawler incident first and thought how horrific that sounded. I kind of avoided much on the submersible until the other day. We also had a local tragedy that was taking headlines where 5 young/college aged minority women were killed by a speeding car that blew a red light and hit their car broadside. Lots of tragedies to cover every day :(

josevolution

PJ_Soul said:

josevolution said:

Gern Blansten said:

josevolution said:

International ocean organization needs to ban all these types of adventure down to the Titanic wreck! It’s a damn grave site leave it alone I don’t need to see it anymore 

Yeah a nice video is good enough for me...and there are plenty of those.

Exactly! Look at what’s happened on Mount Everest their are bodies underneath all that ice and garbage all throughout the mountain trail 

I can't get on board with your comparison with Everest. Mountain climbing is a whole different thing. It's a really huge physical and mental challenge, so I fully understand why people take that risk. Getting in that little sub as a tourist is not a physical or mental challenge at all - it's not an accomplishment in any way, shape or form, especially since they actually see everything on a little screen inside the sub (however, I totally understand those who want to invent underwater vehicles, so I get why at least a couple of the people in the sub would want to be doing it). In any case, LOTS of human endeavours are dangerous. If humans just stopped doing anything that was dangerous, we wouldn't even have space explorations or airplanes.

Ok I can see your point in Everest I’m more of the thought that humans make everything worse! Mountain climbing is def different but still that mountain has been abused by humans and I get that it brings revenue to the local economy! But the Titanic site is an actual grave site in my opinion it should be off limits 

curmudgeoness

Merkin Baller said:

Yeah, it's the media, but it's also us as a society consuming said media... the media does what they do because it sells. 

If more people pushed back against trash bag media, they might have to improve, but people love consuming shit, so we get shit. 

I'm happy to push back! How do I do it? Seriously -- MSNBC is freaking *playing sad trumpet music* over photos of the five presumed dead as they go to commercial break. Hundreds dead off the coast of Greece, and today Zelenskyy announced that an attack on the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant is imminent, and it absolutely enrages me to see this.

It's sad that these men died. But it's in no way comparable to these other situations. F---! Even Nicolle Wallace is opening with this! WTF?

Merkin Baller

curmudgeoness said:

Merkin Baller said:

Yeah, it's the media, but it's also us as a society consuming said media... the media does what they do because it sells. 

If more people pushed back against trash bag media, they might have to improve, but people love consuming shit, so we get shit. 

I'm happy to push back! How do I do it? Seriously -- MSNBC is freaking *playing sad trumpet music* over photos of the five presumed dead as they go to commercial break. Hundreds dead off the coast of Greece, and today Zelenskyy announced that an attack on the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant is imminent, and it absolutely enrages me to see this.

It's sad that these men died. But it's in no way comparable to these other situations. F---! Even Nicolle Wallace is opening with this! WTF?

If enough people pushed back (didn't watch?) Maybe they would be forced to change their MO, but I get your point... I don't consume any cable news, but at this point it's like shoveling shit against the tide. Me or you on our own not consuming MSNBC or Fox News won't make any difference (at least on the global scale... on a personal level I feel better off for it) 

curmudgeoness

Merkin Baller said:

curmudgeoness said:

Merkin Baller said:

Yeah, it's the media, but it's also us as a society consuming said media... the media does what they do because it sells. 

If more people pushed back against trash bag media, they might have to improve, but people love consuming shit, so we get shit. 

I'm happy to push back! How do I do it? Seriously -- MSNBC is freaking *playing sad trumpet music* over photos of the five presumed dead as they go to commercial break. Hundreds dead off the coast of Greece, and today Zelenskyy announced that an attack on the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant is imminent, and it absolutely enrages me to see this.

It's sad that these men died. But it's in no way comparable to these other situations. F---! Even Nicolle Wallace is opening with this! WTF?

If enough people pushed back (didn't watch?) Maybe they would be forced to change their MO, but I get your point... I don't consume any cable news, but at this point it's like shoveling shit against the tide. Me or you on our own not consuming MSNBC or Fox News won't make any difference (at least on the global scale... on a personal level I feel better off for it) 

I guess I can just turn off the TV and watch PBS Newshour and leave it at that. But my grandma had "her shows" -- soaps -- and I have Nicolle Wallace and her generally great guests. This is "my show" and yes, I'm agitated that in this case, the shit is being shoveled down my throat. I don't wish any ill to the men who died, but we don't drop normal coverage every time a mountaineer goes missing, and its absurd that normally reliable news sources are trying to force me to care about this.

I guess I'll go get a shower and hope that coverage of stuff that affects more than twelve people has resumed when I'm done

tempo_n_groove

curmudgeoness said:

Merkin Baller said:

Yeah, it's the media, but it's also us as a society consuming said media... the media does what they do because it sells. 

If more people pushed back against trash bag media, they might have to improve, but people love consuming shit, so we get shit. 

I'm happy to push back! How do I do it? Seriously -- MSNBC is freaking *playing sad trumpet music* over photos of the five presumed dead as they go to commercial break. Hundreds dead off the coast of Greece, and today Zelenskyy announced that an attack on the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant is imminent, and it absolutely enrages me to see this.

It's sad that these men died. But it's in no way comparable to these other situations. F---! Even Nicolle Wallace is opening with this! WTF?

I would not bother watching MSNBC...

Gern Blansten

tempo_n_groove said:

curmudgeoness said:

Merkin Baller said:

Yeah, it's the media, but it's also us as a society consuming said media... the media does what they do because it sells. 

If more people pushed back against trash bag media, they might have to improve, but people love consuming shit, so we get shit. 

I'm happy to push back! How do I do it? Seriously -- MSNBC is freaking *playing sad trumpet music* over photos of the five presumed dead as they go to commercial break. Hundreds dead off the coast of Greece, and today Zelenskyy announced that an attack on the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant is imminent, and it absolutely enrages me to see this.

It's sad that these men died. But it's in no way comparable to these other situations. F---! Even Nicolle Wallace is opening with this! WTF?

I would not bother watching MSNBC...

You should. Nicole Wallace is Bush's former WH Comm Director. She's sharp.

josevolution

Gern Blansten said:

tempo_n_groove said:

curmudgeoness said:

Merkin Baller said:

Yeah, it's the media, but it's also us as a society consuming said media... the media does what they do because it sells. 

If more people pushed back against trash bag media, they might have to improve, but people love consuming shit, so we get shit. 

I'm happy to push back! How do I do it? Seriously -- MSNBC is freaking *playing sad trumpet music* over photos of the five presumed dead as they go to commercial break. Hundreds dead off the coast of Greece, and today Zelenskyy announced that an attack on the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant is imminent, and it absolutely enrages me to see this.

It's sad that these men died. But it's in no way comparable to these other situations. F---! Even Nicolle Wallace is opening with this! WTF?

I would not bother watching MSNBC...

You should. Nicole Wallace is Bush's former WH Comm Director. She's sharp.

She def is! 

Gern Blansten

So the debris field was apparently at the bow of Titanic...you have to wonder if they were able to get a glimpse of the ship before everything imploded. 

gimmesometruth27

Gern Blansten said:

So the debris field was apparently at the bow of Titanic...you have to wonder if they were able to get a glimpse of the ship before everything imploded. 

i'm no expert but i doubt it. it probably crushed like an aluminum can and then sank to the bottom.

gimmesometruth27

this story is really sad and unsettling to me. it has waken me in my sleep the last two nights. i can't imagine the hell of being trapped in something the size of a couple of small rooms with strangers and being stuck there with no communication and knowing i had no chance to get out. even if we found our way to the surface we could not get out to fresh air because the submersible was locked from the outside. i am getting bad anxiety now just trying to imagine myself in that situation.

that said, i am no fan of billionaires and their escapades. i am no fan of them paying 250k to take a chance to see something that is buried in one of the most inhospitable places on the entire planet. i find it selfish. i find it selfish to take this risk and then have several countries spend millions of dollars and thousands of man hours and have others risk their own lives to try to locate and then try to save them. also the media coverage of these individuals who already have everything they can possibly want, while the migrant boat doesn't even get a mention. those were people with basically nothing trying to make it somewhere to have a chance to better their lot in life. it is all just so unfair to me.

this whole story just fucking sucks. 

then the internet memes and the callousness takes it to a whole other level to me. i will joke about anything but even i have had a very difficult time with this, in just feeling fucking awful for everyone involved.

i am glad that i feel sad and anxious, because sometimes i feel like i am losing my humanity and my compassion for others.

this needs to be a cautionary tale that some places are not meant for tourism. no matter if you have all the money in the world or not. some places should not be ventured to.

HughFreakingDillon

I don’t celebrate their deaths. But I don’t mourn them either. We elevate people like this in society where there is constant media coverage and concern for their well being on a Darwinian voyage, but don’t give two shits about boat loads of people seeking refuge from tyranny/poverty. 

Yes, they ARE related, in a societal sense. I care the same amount amount about people taking selfies on the edges of cliffs and falling to their deaths. Happy? No. Do I give a fuck? Also no. 

bootlegger10

I don’t think this is a tragedy.  This isn’t an unexpected outcome and people signed up for it knowing so.  Horrible thing.  Sad.  But not a tragedy.

A tragedy would be if public funds were used for the search that could have gone those people who didn’t put themselves at an absurd risk.

Now that it is confirmed, there should be no further involvement by governments that is not funded by the families or private funds.  

 It sure if public funds were used here though.  They should be reimbursed by the company if so.

The 19 year old had a dud for a dad.

Don’t care if they are rich or poor.  They basically went on a mission to the moon and passed up the booths for NASA and SpaceX and signed up for ACME SpaceCo.

gimmesometruth27

in other dumb billionaire news, zuck and musk are talking about having a fight. fuck those guys.

Gern Blansten

gimmesometruth27 said:

Gern Blansten said:

So the debris field was apparently at the bow of Titanic...you have to wonder if they were able to get a glimpse of the ship before everything imploded. 

i'm no expert but i doubt it. it probably crushed like an aluminum can and then sank to the bottom.

Actually I just read that it was 1600 ft from Titanic so they wouldn't have seen it 

Gern Blansten

bootlegger10 said:

I don’t think this is a tragedy.  This isn’t an unexpected outcome and people signed up for it knowing so.  Horrible thing.  Sad.  But not a tragedy.

A tragedy would be if public funds were used for the search that could have gone those people who didn’t put themselves at an absurd risk.

Now that it is confirmed, there should be no further involvement by governments that is not funded by the families or private funds.  

 It sure if public funds were used here though.  They should be reimbursed by the company if so.

The 19 year old had a dud for a dad.

Don’t care if they are rich or poor.  They basically went on a mission to the moon and passed up the booths for NASA and SpaceX and signed up for ACME SpaceCo.

The kids aunt says he was really nervous about going. 

I do wonder how much it cost to search for them. And they were likely dead when they first lost contact. 

mickeyrat

https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/1671985127528726534?t=_7DAQ7QIMBuvkMNAJ_gUtg&s=19

gimmesometruth27

mickeyrat said:

https://twitter.com/NoLieWithBTC/status/1671985127528726534?t=_7DAQ7QIMBuvkMNAJ_gUtg&s=19

jesus christ

HughFreakingDillon

POS father right there. I would NEVER put my girls in anything anywhere CLOSE to that type of danger. 

mickeyrat

https://twitter.com/BettyBowers/status/1672009361764515840?t=6xx-VfQ18XI05zO7hEHSbQ&s=19