Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years.
It's just the reality of doing business these days. They need to cede this one point to get more seating at reasonable prices for the fan club.
It always trips me out to see so many of you who have been completely gaslighted by this.
I will admit, it was easier for me to buy into before we saw some of the seats being sold blind to Ten Club. "We're selling premium seats to get YOU more tickets...but those tickets are ones you would have never bought on your own."
I'll play devil's advocate for the sake of the conversation... I don't recall seeing too many people who put in for St Paul get rejected.
Could accepting the premium ticket sales have been a tradeoff to getting more tickets allocated to the fan club?
I genuinely don't know, just spit balling here.
Good point. The other thread poll showed that 90% got tix? Small sample of course, but that seems pretty good. I certainly saw a lot less "gutted" and "shut out" posts vs years past.
Won't let me join Waiting Room. This is going bad :(
Do you have a verified code? If not, don't try to join, you're only making it harder on those who do have a code. This is how the Taylor Swift situation got out of hand.
1998: East Troy 2000: East Troy, Rosemont 2003: Champaign 2006: Chicago (UC), Milwaukee 2007: Chicago (Lolla) 2009: Chicago (UC), Chicago (UC) 2010: Noblesville 2011: East Troy (PJ20), East Troy (PJ20) 2013: Chicago (WF), Seattle 2014: St. Louis 2016: Chicago (WF), Chicago (WF) 2018: Chicago (WF), Chicago (WF) 2022: St. Louis 2023: Chicago (UC), Chicago (UC) 2024: Chicago (WF), Chicago (WF)
We can't see it now, but all the shows were listed as:
Fan-Verified Presale
or
PJ Premium
No mention of needing Fan-Verified for Premiums/Platinums, and no mention of the Premiums being a "presale"; never seen that before
Yea, the faq for this tour kinda makes it sound like this VF sale is the public sale, not a presale.
"Public tickets will be available through Ticketmaster Verified Fan Registration. Verified Fan ticket registration is open now through Tuesday, April 25 at 5 pm PT." .. "The Verified Fan Onsale will begin on Friday, April 28 at 10 a.m. local venue time."
This is just rude. I am a verified fan since 1993! LOL. WTF. No, I don't "GOT IT"
GRRRRRR
Hoping you're kidding lol
1998-06-30 Mpls | 2006-07-06 Las Vegas | 2010-05-03 Kansas City | 2011-07-01 St. Louis EV | 2011-07-02 Mpls EV | 2011-09-03 PJ20 2011-09-04 PJ20 | 2011-09-17 Winnipeg | 2012-09-30 Missoula | 2012-11-18 Tulsa EV | 2013-07-19 Chicago | 2013-11-15 Dallas 2013-11-16 OKC | 2014-10-09 Lincoln | 2014-10-17 Moline | 2014-10-19 St. Paul | 2014-10-20 Milwaukee | 2016-08-20 Chicago 2016-08-22 Chicago | 2018-08-18 Chicago | 2018-08-20 Chicago | 2022-05-09 Phoenix | 2022-05-20 Las Vegas | 2022-09-18 St. Louis 2022-09-20 OKC | 2023-08-31 St. Paul | 2023-09-02 St. Paul | 2024-05-16 Las Vegas | 2024-05-18 Las Vegas | 2024-08-31 Chicago
Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years.
well, its either this or the band finds a field somewhere in each state to play. TM owns the whole industry. If PJ wants to play, they have to at least somewhat play by their rules. TM doesn't give 2 shits if PJ tours or not. They have plenty other bands that will play ball. You can thank your local congressman that doesn't give a shit about monopolies. The TM monopoly is just one of many that they completely ignore at the expense of regular people.
There is other options. Look at what Zach Bryan is doing. He completely removed Ticketmaster from the process and is playing large venues. If you want to remove Ticketmaster, it can be done.
Interesting. I'd be curious if the non ticketmaster venues are any better. Any large promoter is going to get their cut. Live nation has control over a lot of them in most cities so i'm curious where he is playing. Good on him though.
Looking at his tour I recognize at least one venue, he is playing the BOK Center in Tulsa, which PJ played back in 2014. It must not be exclusive to TM.
We can't see it now, but all the shows were listed as:
Fan-Verified Presale 10am
and
PJ Premium 10am
No mention of needing Fan-Verified for Premiums/Platinums, and no mention of the Premiums being a "presale"; never seen that before
It's a fan-verified presale for all tickets right now, which includes premium. Doesn't matter what the individual tickets are being listed as, you need to be a verified fan to get into the presale.
1998: East Troy 2000: East Troy, Rosemont 2003: Champaign 2006: Chicago (UC), Milwaukee 2007: Chicago (Lolla) 2009: Chicago (UC), Chicago (UC) 2010: Noblesville 2011: East Troy (PJ20), East Troy (PJ20) 2013: Chicago (WF), Seattle 2014: St. Louis 2016: Chicago (WF), Chicago (WF) 2018: Chicago (WF), Chicago (WF) 2022: St. Louis 2023: Chicago (UC), Chicago (UC) 2024: Chicago (WF), Chicago (WF)
Alpine Valley Music Theatre East Troy, Wisconsin (September 03, 2011); Alpine Valley Music Theatre East Troy, Wisconsin (September 04, 2011); Deluna Fest Pensacola, FL (September 21, 2012); Wrigley Field (July 19, 2013); Milwaukee, WI (October 20, 2014); Wrigley Field I (August 20, 2016); Wrigley Field II (August 22, 2016); Home Shows Seattle Night 1 (August 08, 2018), Home Shows Seattle Night 2 (August 10, 2018), Apollo Theater (September 10, 2022), Madison Square Garden (September 11, 2022), Bourbon & Beyond Louisville (September 17th, 2022).
10k fan club tix at $162 (50%) $1.6 mm 2k premium tix at $1000 (10%) $2 mm 2k verified fan tix at $162 (10%) $324k 6k misc* (30%) $0
*promoter, friends and family, venue, ticketmaster, etc etc etc
$3,924,000**
**not accounting for venue cost, security, travel, staffing etc
Assuming thats the number all parties need. No premium means the avg ticket price, fan club and verified, would need to be $280 right?
How would you suggest making up that $1-2 mm?
Cost of doing business goes up. Do you
1. eat it 2. raise prices 3. find a way to offset it
I like your approach to breaking it down but 30% at $0? That can’t be right. No way it’s more than 1-2%.
PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2; 2024: Vancouver 1-2, LV 1-2, LA 1-2, Napa, Barcelona 1-2
EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
Got through the verified fan sale for Austin Night 2 and the tickets were rubbish. Chose not to buy anything. Only tickets were behind the stage/side stage and a handful in section 3 or upper levels. I can buy behind the stage for less than face from a scalper day of the show (did so last year). Anyone else have better luck? I was logged in 10 minutes before hand and was number 1020 in queue. Hoping the Ten Club fixes the ticket situation with seniority as I received an email from them last night stating they were doing so!
------------------------------------------------------------ Austin - September 19, 2023 Nashville - September 16, 2022 Bridge School Benefit - Mountain View, CA - October 25th, 2014 Bridge School Benefit - Mountain View, CA - October 26th, 2014 Wrigley Field - June 19th, 2013 Atlanta (Music Midtown) - September 22, 2012 Amsterdam - June 26th, 2012 Amsterdam - June 27th, 2012 Bridge School Benefit - Mountain View, CA - October 24th, 2010 Bridge School Benefit - Mountain View, CA- October 23rd, 2010 Bridge School Benefit - Mountain View, CA - October 22nd, 2006 Bridge School Benefit - Mountain View, CA - October 21st, 2006 Bridge School Benefit - Mountain View, CA - October 26th, 2003 Bridge School Benefit - Mountain View, CA - October 25th, 2003 Atlanta - April 19th, 2003 Nashville - April 18th, 2003 Denver - April 1st, 2003 Bridge School Benefit - Mountain View, CA - October 21st, 2001 Bridge School Benefit - Mountain View, CA - October 20th, 2001 San Diego - October 25th, 2000 Nashville - August 17th, 2000 Atlanta - August 7th, 2000 Atlanta - September 1st, 1998 Atlanta (Lollapalooza) - August 20th, 1992
Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years.
well, its either this or the band finds a field somewhere in each state to play. TM owns the whole industry. If PJ wants to play, they have to at least somewhat play by their rules. TM doesn't give 2 shits if PJ tours or not. They have plenty other bands that will play ball. You can thank your local congressman that doesn't give a shit about monopolies. The TM monopoly is just one of many that they completely ignore at the expense of regular people.
There is other options. Look at what Zach Bryan is doing. He completely removed Ticketmaster from the process and is playing large venues. If you want to remove Ticketmaster, it can be done.
Part of the challenge is that Live Nation controls a lot of the venues, not just the ticketing.
PJ: 2013: London (ON); Buffalo; 2014: Cincinnati; 2016: Sunrise, Miami, Toronto 1-2, Wrigley 2; 2018: London (UK) 1, Milan, Padova, Sea 2, Wrigley 1-2, Fenway 1-2; 2021: SHN, Ohana, Ohana Encore 1-2; 2022: LA 1-2, Phx, Oak 1-2, Fresno, Copenhagen, Hyde Park 1-2; Quebec, Ottawa, Hamilton, Toronto; MSG, Camden, Nashville, Louisville, St. Louis, OKC; 2023: St. Paul 1-2, Chicago 1-2; Fort Worth 2; Austin 1-2; 2024: Vancouver 1-2, LV 1-2, LA 1-2, Napa, Barcelona 1-2
EV Solo: 2017 Louisville and Franklin, 2018 Ohana, 2019 Innings Fest, Berlin, Düsseldorf, Dublin and Ohana; 2021 Ohana Friday (from beach) and Saturday; 2022 Earthlings Newark; 2023 Innings Fest and Benoraya 1-2.
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
Jalapeno slaw, grits, peach tea pork belly burnt ends, brisket, Turkey, jalapeño popper sausage, ribs…. One of the best bbq spots in Texas looks like McBBQ?! Wowza
Final update on my Credit Card fiasco....I got the "Your card was declined" email and link to resubmit Wednesday night. Resubmitted right away. I got the "We got your submission" email right after that. DIdnt hear anything until 10 minutes before Verified fan, when I got confirmed for the 2 chicago shows that I was previously confirmed for, before the double charge that led to the decline.
Can't remember PJ Premium or TM Platinum being restricted to verified fans only like today is. Maybe it has been this way before, anyone else know?
It was like this last tour. This is a presale, they won't be restricted when the general on sale happens.
This isn't a presale, sadly. This is the general sale, per the band's twitter "General public tickets will be sold through Ticketmaster Verified Fan, which requires advance registration in order to participate. Registration begins now and closes on April 25 at 5pm PT."
2003 Clarkston MI #2 | 2004 Grand Rapids MI | 2013 London ON | 2014 Detroit MI | 2016 Toronto ON #1
Jalapeno slaw, grits, peach tea pork belly burnt ends, brisket, Turkey, jalapeño popper sausage, ribs…. One of the best bbq spots in Texas looks like McBBQ?! Wowza
What spot is this?
Austin, TX - 9/16/95 ~ Charleston, SC - 10/5/96 ~ Dallas, TX - 7/5/98 ~ San Antonio, TX - 4/5/03 ~ Denver, CO - 7/2/06 ~ EV - LA #2 - 4/13/08 ~ Austin, TX - 10/4/09 ~ Los Angeles, CA #1 - 11/23/13 ~ Los Angeles, CA #2 - 11/24/13 ~ Seattle, WA - 12/6/13 ~ NYC #1 - 5/1/16 ~ Boston, MA #1 - 8/5/16 ~ Boston, MA #2 - 8/7/16 ~ Boston, MA #1 - 9/2/18 ~ Boston, MA #2 - 9/4/18 ~ Louisville, KY - 9/17/22 ~ Ft. Worth, TX #1 - 9/13/23 ~ Ft. Worth, TX #2 - 9/15/23 ~ Austin, Texas #1 - 9/18/23 ~ Austin, Texas #2 - 9/19/23 ~ NYC #2 - 9/4/24 ~ Boston, MA #1 - 9/15/24 ~ Boston, MA #2 - 9/17/24
10k fan club tix at $162 (50%) $1.6 mm 2k premium tix at $1000 (10%) $2 mm 2k verified fan tix at $162 (10%) $324k 6k misc* (30%) $0
*promoter, friends and family, venue, ticketmaster, etc etc etc
$3,924,000**
**not accounting for venue cost, security, travel, staffing etc
Assuming thats the number all parties need. No premium means the avg ticket price, fan club and verified, would need to be $280 right?
How would you suggest making up that $1-2 mm?
Cost of doing business goes up. Do you
1. eat it 2. raise prices 3. find a way to offset it
I like your approach to breaking it down but 30% at $0? That can’t be right. No way it’s more than 1-2%.
Take it all with a grain of salt. I'm not in the business and am making assumptions. But there are a lot of ticket alottments for every show. It has to be more than 1-2%. I could see it being as low as maybe 10% but it adds up quick.
Promoter 1000-2000 TM 1000 Band 500? Venue 500-1000 Manager ? Record label ? Sponsors ?
adjust accordingly, but keep in mind I'm not accounting for the cost of venue, promoter fee, manager fee, road crew, lights + sound, hotels, food, hospitality, security, transportation, TM fees etc
I have no idea how much is actually cleared after costs.
Final update on my Credit Card fiasco....I got the "Your card was declined" email and link to resubmit Wednesday night. Resubmitted right away. I got the "We got your submission" email right after that. DIdnt hear anything until 10 minutes before Verified fan, when I got confirmed for the 2 chicago shows that I was previously confirmed for, before the double charge that led to the decline.
Jalapeno slaw, grits, peach tea pork belly burnt ends, brisket, Turkey, jalapeño popper sausage, ribs…. One of the best bbq spots in Texas looks like McBBQ?! Wowza
What spot is this?
Interstellar still. Some dude said the pic looked like trash and called it McBBQ
Final update on my Credit Card fiasco....I got the "Your card was declined" email and link to resubmit Wednesday night. Resubmitted right away. I got the "We got your submission" email right after that. DIdnt hear anything until 10 minutes before Verified fan, when I got confirmed for the 2 chicago shows that I was previously confirmed for, before the double charge that led to the decline.
Whew! Thanks Ten Club!
Victory!
Nice!
38 concerts and counting "I know I was born and I know that I'll die, the in between is mine"
Jalapeno slaw, grits, peach tea pork belly burnt ends, brisket, Turkey, jalapeño popper sausage, ribs…. One of the best bbq spots in Texas looks like McBBQ?! Wowza
What spot is this?
Interstellar still. Some dude said the pic looked like trash and called it McBBQ
That’s where I thought it was. #2 spot in the state. Not McBBQ. 😂
Austin, TX - 9/16/95 ~ Charleston, SC - 10/5/96 ~ Dallas, TX - 7/5/98 ~ San Antonio, TX - 4/5/03 ~ Denver, CO - 7/2/06 ~ EV - LA #2 - 4/13/08 ~ Austin, TX - 10/4/09 ~ Los Angeles, CA #1 - 11/23/13 ~ Los Angeles, CA #2 - 11/24/13 ~ Seattle, WA - 12/6/13 ~ NYC #1 - 5/1/16 ~ Boston, MA #1 - 8/5/16 ~ Boston, MA #2 - 8/7/16 ~ Boston, MA #1 - 9/2/18 ~ Boston, MA #2 - 9/4/18 ~ Louisville, KY - 9/17/22 ~ Ft. Worth, TX #1 - 9/13/23 ~ Ft. Worth, TX #2 - 9/15/23 ~ Austin, Texas #1 - 9/18/23 ~ Austin, Texas #2 - 9/19/23 ~ NYC #2 - 9/4/24 ~ Boston, MA #1 - 9/15/24 ~ Boston, MA #2 - 9/17/24
Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years.
they've got wives and kids now and are getting older.
Won’t someone think of the millionaires.
Don't they deserve to be millionaires?
Of course they do, it's just when you talk about needing to take care of their families. Their families are fine, they'll be fine if they retire now and never play another show. I mean, unless they squandered all their money, in which case they aren't millionaires.
Very true. They'll probably make more money playing these 9 shows than I will in my entire lifetime.
Final update on my Credit Card fiasco....I got the "Your card was declined" email and link to resubmit Wednesday night. Resubmitted right away. I got the "We got your submission" email right after that. DIdnt hear anything until 10 minutes before Verified fan, when I got confirmed for the 2 chicago shows that I was previously confirmed for, before the double charge that led to the decline.
I got in the Chicago 2 VF sale right away, and have been in there this whole time, the premium tickets just disappear/sell and then more pop up -over and over, new sections, rows, etc, it's such a racket. Only decent face tickets were singles that were side stage and some nose bleed uppers in the back corners. There are plenty of upper level behind the stage tickets, but that's it.
I got in the Chicago 2 VF sale right away, and have been in there this whole time, the premium tickets just disappear/sell and then more pop up -over and over, new sections, rows, etc, it's such a racket. Only decent face tickets were singles that were side stage and some nose bleed uppers in the back corners. There are plenty of upper level behind the stage tickets, but that's it.
I got a side stage single but also one in 105 for Chicago night 1
Dallas 2013 Wrigley 2016 Night 1 Wrigley 2016 Night 2 MSG 2020 OKC 2020
Final update on my Credit Card fiasco....I got the "Your card was declined" email and link to resubmit Wednesday night. Resubmitted right away. I got the "We got your submission" email right after that. DIdnt hear anything until 10 minutes before Verified fan, when I got confirmed for the 2 chicago shows that I was previously confirmed for, before the double charge that led to the decline.
Whew! Thanks Ten Club!
So great to hear! Very glad this all got resolved, get ready to rock!
I'm a lucky man to count on both hands the ones I love.
Comments
"Public tickets will be available through Ticketmaster Verified Fan Registration. Verified Fan ticket registration is open now through Tuesday, April 25 at 5 pm PT." .. "The Verified Fan Onsale will begin on Friday, April 28 at 10 a.m. local venue time."
2011-09-04 PJ20 | 2011-09-17 Winnipeg | 2012-09-30 Missoula | 2012-11-18 Tulsa EV | 2013-07-19 Chicago | 2013-11-15 Dallas
2013-11-16 OKC | 2014-10-09 Lincoln | 2014-10-17 Moline | 2014-10-19 St. Paul | 2014-10-20 Milwaukee | 2016-08-20 Chicago
2016-08-22 Chicago | 2018-08-18 Chicago | 2018-08-20 Chicago | 2022-05-09 Phoenix | 2022-05-20 Las Vegas | 2022-09-18 St. Louis
2022-09-20 OKC | 2023-08-31 St. Paul | 2023-09-02 St. Paul | 2024-05-16 Las Vegas | 2024-05-18 Las Vegas | 2024-08-31 Chicago
10k fan club tix at $162 (50%) $1.6 mm
2k premium tix at $1000 (10%) $2 mm
2k verified fan tix at $162 (10%) $324k
6k misc* (30%) $0
*promoter, friends and family, venue, ticketmaster, etc etc etc
$3,924,000**
**not accounting for venue cost, security, travel, staffing etc
Assuming thats the number all parties need. No premium means the avg ticket price, fan club and verified, would need to be $280 right?
How would you suggest making up that $1-2 mm?
Cost of doing business goes up. Do you
1. eat it
2. raise prices
3. find a way to offset it
https://www.ajournalofmusicalthings.com/ticket-sales-for-u2s-msg-sphere-gig-arent-going-well-there-are-complaints/
"I know I was born and I know that I'll die, the in between is mine"
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
Austin - September 19, 2023
Nashville - September 16, 2022
Bridge School Benefit - Mountain View, CA - October 25th, 2014
Bridge School Benefit - Mountain View, CA - October 26th, 2014
Wrigley Field - June 19th, 2013
Atlanta (Music Midtown) - September 22, 2012
Amsterdam - June 26th, 2012
Amsterdam - June 27th, 2012
Bridge School Benefit - Mountain View, CA - October 24th, 2010
Bridge School Benefit - Mountain View, CA- October 23rd, 2010
Bridge School Benefit - Mountain View, CA - October 22nd, 2006
Bridge School Benefit - Mountain View, CA - October 21st, 2006
Bridge School Benefit - Mountain View, CA - October 26th, 2003
Bridge School Benefit - Mountain View, CA - October 25th, 2003
Atlanta - April 19th, 2003
Nashville - April 18th, 2003
Denver - April 1st, 2003
Bridge School Benefit - Mountain View, CA - October 21st, 2001
Bridge School Benefit - Mountain View, CA - October 20th, 2001
San Diego - October 25th, 2000
Nashville - August 17th, 2000
Atlanta - August 7th, 2000
Atlanta - September 1st, 1998
Atlanta (Lollapalooza) - August 20th, 1992
Gutted: London 2 2018, Sacramento 2022, Noblesville 2023
Whew! Thanks Ten Club!
Nuclear fission
Promoter 1000-2000
TM 1000
Band 500?
Venue 500-1000
Manager ?
Record label ?
Sponsors ?
adjust accordingly, but keep in mind I'm not accounting for the cost of venue, promoter fee, manager fee, road crew, lights + sound, hotels, food, hospitality, security, transportation, TM fees etc
I have no idea how much is actually cleared after costs.
Victory!
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
"I know I was born and I know that I'll die, the in between is mine"
98' - 6/26, 6/27, 6/29, 8/26, 9/22
03' - 4/25
06' - 6/29, 6/30
07' - 8/05
09' - 8/23
11' - 9/03, 9/04
12' - 9/30
13' - 7/16, 7/19, 10/21, 10/22, 11/15, 11/16, 12/06
14' - 06/28, 06/29, 10/1, 10/03, 10/16, 10/17, 10/20, 10/22
15' - 11/20, 11/22
16' - 4/21, 4/26, 4/28, 4/29, 5/1, 5/2, 7/9, 8/5, 8/7, 8/20, 8/22
17' - 4/7
18' - 7/1, 7/3, 7/5, 8/8, 8/10, 8/18, 8/20, 9/4
21' - 10/1, 10/2
22' - 7/12, 7/14, 9/6, 9/8
Wrigley 2016 Night 1
Wrigley 2016 Night 2
MSG 2020
OKC 2020
8/17/98 Noblesville, 8/18/00 Noblesville, 6/5/03 San Diego, 6/22/03 Noblesville, 9/11/05 Kitchener, 5/7/10 Noblesville, 9/15/11 Hamilton, 11/21/12 Memphis (Ed w/ Glen), 7/19/13 Wrigley, 10/11/13 Pittsburgh, 10/01/14 Cincinnati, 10/03/14 Saint Louis, 4/16/16 Greenville, 4/26/16 Lexington, 5/1/16 NYC, 5/2/16 NYC, 8/20/16 Wrigley, 8/22/16 Wrigley (For Hank), 8/18/18 Wrigley, 8/20/18 Wrigley (For Hank), 9/18/22 Saint Louis, 9/5/23 Chicago, 9/7/23 Chicago