Official 2023 Ticket Lottery Results Thread

mattcoz

fixer123 said:

Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years. 

It's just the reality of doing business these days. They need to cede this one point to get more seating at reasonable prices for the fan club.

JimmyV

While not cheap, the $160 price point is more reasonable than many other bands. Not all, but many. If Premium really does play a role in that, then so be it. 

Merkin Baller

fixer123 said:

Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years. 

I imagine it was much easier to take a stand against ticket master back when they were generating revenue from album sales. 

It was only a few years later that file sharing came along, and then streaming services etc. The entire industry and business model has changed since the '90s. 

moozeekfan

fixer123 said:

Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years. 

It’s the nature of the ticketing world now.  That money would typically go to scalpers and now it’s going directly to the band(s).  Every artist has to do this if playing arenas.  It’s money left on the table.  

There’s two ways to fix this IMO.  1) an artist plays a market until demand is met (aka the Garth Brooks plan).  He stays in a town until he can’t sell anymore tickets.  Sometimes it’s two weeks in a city.  Scalping is non-existent for the most part.  

2). All-in ticket pricing.  Price what the ticket is worth.  Everyone wants to sit in the front row?  Price it at $2000 per ticket.  No one wants to sit in the upper deck nosebleeds?  $20 a ticket.  None of this “service charge” fee which fluctuates on the price of the ticket baloney.  One fee all upfront.  Be forthright.  People might still grumble, but no one will be left to wonder.  

Cons:  Artists don’t want to be seen as greedy by charging so much for the seats closest to the stage.  Which is why Ticketmaster exists, but that’s for another thread.  

aisleseats

mattcoz said:

fixer123 said:

Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years. 

It's just the reality of doing business these days. They need to cede this one point to get more seating at reasonable prices for the fan club.

It always trips me out to see so many of you who have been completely gaslighted by this.

MR242791

hankholetsgo said:

MR242791 said:

fixer123 said:

Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years. 

they've got wives and kids now and are getting older.  

Won’t someone think of the millionaires. 

LOL

JeBurkhardt

MR242791 said:

anyone off the waitlist yet?

Nope, and I tried to see if it would let me enter the queue with no code so i could see what was available, no dice.

schaefferlax

Anybody heard back about new seats in Ft Worth?

mattcoz

moozeekfan said:

fixer123 said:

Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years. 

It’s the nature of the ticketing world now.  That money would typically go to scalpers and now it’s going directly to the band(s).  Every artist has to do this if playing arenas.  It’s money left on the table.  

There’s two ways to fix this IMO.  1) an artist plays a market until demand is met (aka the Garth Brooks plan).  He stays in a town until he can’t sell anymore tickets.  Sometimes it’s two weeks in a city.  Scalping is non-existent for the most part.  

2). All-in ticket pricing.  Price what the ticket is worth.  Everyone wants to sit in the front row?  Price it at $2000 per ticket.  No one wants to sit in the upper deck nosebleeds?  $20 a ticket.  None of this “service charge” fee which fluctuates on the price of the ticket baloney.  One fee all upfront.  Be forthright.  People might still grumble, but no one will be left to wonder.  

Cons:  Artists don’t want to be seen as greedy by charging so much for the seats closest to the stage.  Which is why Ticketmaster exists, but that’s for another thread.  

Yeah, "directly" to the band, after Ticketmaster takes their huge cut. I have to wonder how much they actually get.

ryanphishes

Good luck to all trying today!

Eddieredder

hankholetsgo said:

MR242791 said:

fixer123 said:

Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years. 

they've got wives and kids now and are getting older.  

Won’t someone think of the millionaires. 

Don't they deserve to be millionaires?

StephanieL19

So are we supposed to sit at our computers and wait until we get a code and then go for seats?

This feels super weird for Pearl Jam.

NEVER have had an issue like this.

jwc6160

fixer123 said:

Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years. 

well, its either this or the band finds a field somewhere in each state to play. TM owns the whole industry. If PJ wants to play, they have to at least somewhat play by their rules. TM doesn't give 2 shits if PJ tours or not. They have plenty other bands that will play ball. You can thank your local congressman that doesn't give a shit about monopolies. The TM monopoly is just one of many that they completely ignore at the expense of regular people. 

Eddieredder

aisleseats said:

mattcoz said:

fixer123 said:

Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years. 

It's just the reality of doing business these days. They need to cede this one point to get more seating at reasonable prices for the fan club.

It always trips me out to see so many of you who have been completely gaslighted by this.

I mean it makes sense to me. Similar practices work in all kinds of business. What does your model look like? Happy to show you my crude assumptions

JojoRice

StephanieL19 said:

So are we supposed to sit at our computers and wait until we get a code and then go for seats?

This feels super weird for Pearl Jam.

NEVER have had an issue like this.

If you were selected for the Verified Fan sale, you would have received a code by now. 

mattcoz

Eddieredder said:

hankholetsgo said:

MR242791 said:

fixer123 said:

Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years. 

they've got wives and kids now and are getting older.  

Won’t someone think of the millionaires. 

Don't they deserve to be millionaires?

Of course they do, it's just when you talk about needing to take care of their families. Their families are fine, they'll be fine if they retire now and never play another show. I mean, unless they squandered all their money, in which case they aren't millionaires.

fixer123

Merkin Baller said:

fixer123 said:

Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years. 

I imagine it was much easier to take a stand against ticket master back when they were generating revenue from album sales. 

It was only a few years later that file sharing came along, and then streaming services etc. The entire industry and business model has changed since the '90s. 

This is actually a GREAT point. Money is almost entirely in live shows now. Much different world than when they came up.

StephanieL19

This is just rude. I am a verified fan since 1993! LOL. WTF. No, I don't "GOT IT"

GRRRRRR  

Merkin Baller

mattcoz said:

Eddieredder said:

hankholetsgo said:

MR242791 said:

fixer123 said:

Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years. 

they've got wives and kids now and are getting older.  

Won’t someone think of the millionaires. 

Don't they deserve to be millionaires?

Of course they do, it's just when you talk about needing to take care of their families. Their families are fine, they'll be fine if they retire now and never play another show. I mean, unless they squandered all their money, in which case they aren't millionaires.

How about keeping their business going? They have a team of employees (w/ families, I'm sure) to support as well. There's more to it than just taking care of their own families. 

AdamJNovak

If anyone happens to get (or is willing to get an extra) for Chicago night 2 during the verified fan sale, I’d absolutely love it! Let me know, and thanks so much in advance!! Venmo or PayPal ready!

mattcoz

Eddieredder said:

aisleseats said:

mattcoz said:

fixer123 said:

Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years. 

It's just the reality of doing business these days. They need to cede this one point to get more seating at reasonable prices for the fan club.

It always trips me out to see so many of you who have been completely gaslighted by this.

I mean it makes sense to me. Similar practices work in all kinds of business. What does your model look like? Happy to show you my crude assumptions

Exactly, it's standard business negotiation. You want something, you need to give up something.

Dlmartin1984

jwc6160 said:

fixer123 said:

Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years. 

well, its either this or the band finds a field somewhere in each state to play. TM owns the whole industry. If PJ wants to play, they have to at least somewhat play by their rules. TM doesn't give 2 shits if PJ tours or not. They have plenty other bands that will play ball. You can thank your local congressman that doesn't give a shit about monopolies. The TM monopoly is just one of many that they completely ignore at the expense of regular people. 

There is other options. Look at what Zach Bryan is doing. He completely removed Ticketmaster from the process and is playing large venues.  If you want to remove Ticketmaster, it can be done. 

johnny__utah

Can't remember PJ Premium or TM Platinum being restricted to verified fans only like today is. Maybe it has been this way before, anyone else know?

JimmyV

aisleseats said:

mattcoz said:

fixer123 said:

Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years. 

It's just the reality of doing business these days. They need to cede this one point to get more seating at reasonable prices for the fan club.

It always trips me out to see so many of you who have been completely gaslighted by this.

I will admit, it was easier for me to buy into before we saw some of the seats being sold blind to Ten Club. "We're selling premium seats to get YOU more tickets...but those tickets are ones you would have never bought on your own."

mattcoz

johnny__utah said:

Can't remember PJ Premium or TM Platinum being restricted to verified fans only like today is. Maybe it has been this way before, anyone else know?

It was like this last tour. This is a presale, they won't be restricted when the general on sale happens.

Merkin Baller

JimmyV said:

aisleseats said:

mattcoz said:

fixer123 said:

Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years. 

It's just the reality of doing business these days. They need to cede this one point to get more seating at reasonable prices for the fan club.

It always trips me out to see so many of you who have been completely gaslighted by this.

I will admit, it was easier for me to buy into before we saw some of the seats being sold blind to Ten Club. "We're selling premium seats to get YOU more tickets...but those tickets are ones you would have never bought on your own."

I'll play devil's advocate for the sake of the conversation... I don't recall seeing too many people who put in for St Paul get rejected. 

Could accepting the premium ticket sales have been a tradeoff to getting more tickets allocated to the fan club? 

I genuinely don't know, just spit balling here. 

tschav

jwc6160

Dlmartin1984 said:

jwc6160 said:

fixer123 said:

Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years. 

well, its either this or the band finds a field somewhere in each state to play. TM owns the whole industry. If PJ wants to play, they have to at least somewhat play by their rules. TM doesn't give 2 shits if PJ tours or not. They have plenty other bands that will play ball. You can thank your local congressman that doesn't give a shit about monopolies. The TM monopoly is just one of many that they completely ignore at the expense of regular people. 

There is other options. Look at what Zach Bryan is doing. He completely removed Ticketmaster from the process and is playing large venues.  If you want to remove Ticketmaster, it can be done. 

Interesting. I'd be curious if the non ticketmaster venues are any better. Any large promoter is going to get their cut. Live nation has control over a lot of them in most cities so i'm curious where he is playing. Good on him though. 

TP128347

Won't let me join Waiting Room.  This is going bad  :(

dmbolp

We can't see it now, but all the shows were listed as:

Fan-Verified Presale 10am

and

PJ Premium 10am

No mention of needing Fan-Verified for Premiums/Platinums, and no mention of the Premiums being a "presale"; never seen that before