Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years.
It's just the reality of doing business these days. They need to cede this one point to get more seating at reasonable prices for the fan club.
While not cheap, the $160 price point is more reasonable than many other bands. Not all, but many. If Premium really does play a role in that, then so be it.
Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years.
I imagine it was much easier to take a stand against ticket master back when they were generating revenue from album sales.
It was only a few years later that file sharing came along, and then streaming services etc. The entire industry and business model has changed since the '90s.
Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years.
It’s the nature of the ticketing world now. That money would typically go to scalpers and now it’s going directly to the band(s). Every artist has to do this if playing arenas. It’s money left on the table.
There’s two ways to fix this IMO. 1) an artist plays a market until demand is met (aka the Garth Brooks plan). He stays in a town until he can’t sell anymore tickets. Sometimes it’s two weeks in a city. Scalping is non-existent for the most part.
2). All-in ticket pricing. Price what the ticket is worth. Everyone wants to sit in the front row? Price it at $2000 per ticket. No one wants to sit in the upper deck nosebleeds? $20 a ticket. None of this “service charge” fee which fluctuates on the price of the ticket baloney. One fee all upfront. Be forthright. People might still grumble, but no one will be left to wonder.
Cons: Artists don’t want to be seen as greedy by charging so much for the seats closest to the stage. Which is why Ticketmaster exists, but that’s for another thread.
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Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years.
It's just the reality of doing business these days. They need to cede this one point to get more seating at reasonable prices for the fan club.
It always trips me out to see so many of you who have been completely gaslighted by this.
Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years.
they've got wives and kids now and are getting older.
Won’t someone think of the millionaires.
LOL
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Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years.
It’s the nature of the ticketing world now. That money would typically go to scalpers and now it’s going directly to the band(s). Every artist has to do this if playing arenas. It’s money left on the table.
There’s two ways to fix this IMO. 1) an artist plays a market until demand is met (aka the Garth Brooks plan). He stays in a town until he can’t sell anymore tickets. Sometimes it’s two weeks in a city. Scalping is non-existent for the most part.
2). All-in ticket pricing. Price what the ticket is worth. Everyone wants to sit in the front row? Price it at $2000 per ticket. No one wants to sit in the upper deck nosebleeds? $20 a ticket. None of this “service charge” fee which fluctuates on the price of the ticket baloney. One fee all upfront. Be forthright. People might still grumble, but no one will be left to wonder.
Cons: Artists don’t want to be seen as greedy by charging so much for the seats closest to the stage. Which is why Ticketmaster exists, but that’s for another thread.
Yeah, "directly" to the band, after Ticketmaster takes their huge cut. I have to wonder how much they actually get.
Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years.
they've got wives and kids now and are getting older.
So are we supposed to sit at our computers and wait until we get a code and then go for seats?
This feels super weird for Pearl Jam.
NEVER have had an issue like this.
---- November 5, 1993 - Indio, CA, Polo Fileds July 4, 1998 - Los Angeles, The Forum November 23, 2013 - Los Angeles, Sports Arena September 26, 2021 - Dana Point, Ohana Festival October 2, 2021 - Dana Point, Ohana Festival May 3, 2022 - San Diego, Aztex Bowl May 6 & 7, 2022- Los Angeles, The Forum May 16, 2022 - Fresno, Save Mart Center September 13 & 15, 2023 - FT. Worth, Dickies September 18 & 19, 2023 - Austin, Moody Center May 10, 2024 - Portland, Moda Center May 16, 2024 - Las Vegas, MGM Garden Arena May 21 & 22, 2024 - Los Angeles, Forum May 25, 2024 - Napa Valley, Bottlerock May 30, 2024 - Seattle, Climate Pledge Arena
Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years.
well, its either this or the band finds a field somewhere in each state to play. TM owns the whole industry. If PJ wants to play, they have to at least somewhat play by their rules. TM doesn't give 2 shits if PJ tours or not. They have plenty other bands that will play ball. You can thank your local congressman that doesn't give a shit about monopolies. The TM monopoly is just one of many that they completely ignore at the expense of regular people.
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Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years.
It's just the reality of doing business these days. They need to cede this one point to get more seating at reasonable prices for the fan club.
It always trips me out to see so many of you who have been completely gaslighted by this.
I mean it makes sense to me. Similar practices work in all kinds of business. What does your model look like? Happy to show you my crude assumptions
So are we supposed to sit at our computers and wait until we get a code and then go for seats?
This feels super weird for Pearl Jam.
NEVER have had an issue like this.
If you were selected for the Verified Fan sale, you would have received a code by now.
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Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years.
they've got wives and kids now and are getting older.
Won’t someone think of the millionaires.
Don't they deserve to be millionaires?
Of course they do, it's just when you talk about needing to take care of their families. Their families are fine, they'll be fine if they retire now and never play another show. I mean, unless they squandered all their money, in which case they aren't millionaires.
Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years.
I imagine it was much easier to take a stand against ticket master back when they were generating revenue from album sales.
It was only a few years later that file sharing came along, and then streaming services etc. The entire industry and business model has changed since the '90s.
This is actually a GREAT point. Money is almost entirely in live shows now. Much different world than when they came up.
This is just rude. I am a verified fan since 1993! LOL. WTF. No, I don't "GOT IT"
GRRRRRR
---- November 5, 1993 - Indio, CA, Polo Fileds July 4, 1998 - Los Angeles, The Forum November 23, 2013 - Los Angeles, Sports Arena September 26, 2021 - Dana Point, Ohana Festival October 2, 2021 - Dana Point, Ohana Festival May 3, 2022 - San Diego, Aztex Bowl May 6 & 7, 2022- Los Angeles, The Forum May 16, 2022 - Fresno, Save Mart Center September 13 & 15, 2023 - FT. Worth, Dickies September 18 & 19, 2023 - Austin, Moody Center May 10, 2024 - Portland, Moda Center May 16, 2024 - Las Vegas, MGM Garden Arena May 21 & 22, 2024 - Los Angeles, Forum May 25, 2024 - Napa Valley, Bottlerock May 30, 2024 - Seattle, Climate Pledge Arena
Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years.
they've got wives and kids now and are getting older.
Won’t someone think of the millionaires.
Don't they deserve to be millionaires?
Of course they do, it's just when you talk about needing to take care of their families. Their families are fine, they'll be fine if they retire now and never play another show. I mean, unless they squandered all their money, in which case they aren't millionaires.
How about keeping their business going? They have a team of employees (w/ families, I'm sure) to support as well. There's more to it than just taking care of their own families.
If anyone happens to get (or is willing to get an extra) for Chicago night 2 during the verified fan sale, I’d absolutely love it! Let me know, and thanks so much in advance!! Venmo or PayPal ready!
Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years.
It's just the reality of doing business these days. They need to cede this one point to get more seating at reasonable prices for the fan club.
It always trips me out to see so many of you who have been completely gaslighted by this.
I mean it makes sense to me. Similar practices work in all kinds of business. What does your model look like? Happy to show you my crude assumptions
Exactly, it's standard business negotiation. You want something, you need to give up something.
Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years.
well, its either this or the band finds a field somewhere in each state to play. TM owns the whole industry. If PJ wants to play, they have to at least somewhat play by their rules. TM doesn't give 2 shits if PJ tours or not. They have plenty other bands that will play ball. You can thank your local congressman that doesn't give a shit about monopolies. The TM monopoly is just one of many that they completely ignore at the expense of regular people.
There is other options. Look at what Zach Bryan is doing. He completely removed Ticketmaster from the process and is playing large venues. If you want to remove Ticketmaster, it can be done.
Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years.
It's just the reality of doing business these days. They need to cede this one point to get more seating at reasonable prices for the fan club.
It always trips me out to see so many of you who have been completely gaslighted by this.
I will admit, it was easier for me to buy into before we saw some of the seats being sold blind to Ten Club. "We're selling premium seats to get YOU more tickets...but those tickets are ones you would have never bought on your own."
Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years.
It's just the reality of doing business these days. They need to cede this one point to get more seating at reasonable prices for the fan club.
It always trips me out to see so many of you who have been completely gaslighted by this.
I will admit, it was easier for me to buy into before we saw some of the seats being sold blind to Ten Club. "We're selling premium seats to get YOU more tickets...but those tickets are ones you would have never bought on your own."
I'll play devil's advocate for the sake of the conversation... I don't recall seeing too many people who put in for St Paul get rejected.
Could accepting the premium ticket sales have been a tradeoff to getting more tickets allocated to the fan club?
Maybe I’m naive; or old; or both. But it’s so hard for me to make sense of this band being ok with things like ‘premium seating.’ It just seems to contrary to what they have expressed being about all these years.
well, its either this or the band finds a field somewhere in each state to play. TM owns the whole industry. If PJ wants to play, they have to at least somewhat play by their rules. TM doesn't give 2 shits if PJ tours or not. They have plenty other bands that will play ball. You can thank your local congressman that doesn't give a shit about monopolies. The TM monopoly is just one of many that they completely ignore at the expense of regular people.
There is other options. Look at what Zach Bryan is doing. He completely removed Ticketmaster from the process and is playing large venues. If you want to remove Ticketmaster, it can be done.
Interesting. I'd be curious if the non ticketmaster venues are any better. Any large promoter is going to get their cut. Live nation has control over a lot of them in most cities so i'm curious where he is playing. Good on him though.
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"...I changed by not changing at all..."
It was only a few years later that file sharing came along, and then streaming services etc. The entire industry and business model has changed since the '90s.
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This feels super weird for Pearl Jam.
NEVER have had an issue like this.
November 5, 1993 - Indio, CA, Polo Fileds
July 4, 1998 - Los Angeles, The Forum
November 23, 2013 - Los Angeles, Sports Arena
September 26, 2021 - Dana Point, Ohana Festival
October 2, 2021 - Dana Point, Ohana Festival
May 3, 2022 - San Diego, Aztex Bowl
May 6 & 7, 2022- Los Angeles, The Forum
May 16, 2022 - Fresno, Save Mart Center
September 13 & 15, 2023 - FT. Worth, Dickies
September 18 & 19, 2023 - Austin, Moody Center
May 10, 2024 - Portland, Moda Center
May 16, 2024 - Las Vegas, MGM Garden Arena
May 21 & 22, 2024 - Los Angeles, Forum
May 25, 2024 - Napa Valley, Bottlerock
May 30, 2024 - Seattle, Climate Pledge Arena
Lincoln 2014
New York 2016
Seattle 2018
St Louis 2022
EV@ Innings Festival in AZ 2023
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This is just rude. I am a verified fan since 1993! LOL. WTF. No, I don't "GOT IT"
GRRRRRR
November 5, 1993 - Indio, CA, Polo Fileds
July 4, 1998 - Los Angeles, The Forum
November 23, 2013 - Los Angeles, Sports Arena
September 26, 2021 - Dana Point, Ohana Festival
October 2, 2021 - Dana Point, Ohana Festival
May 3, 2022 - San Diego, Aztex Bowl
May 6 & 7, 2022- Los Angeles, The Forum
May 16, 2022 - Fresno, Save Mart Center
September 13 & 15, 2023 - FT. Worth, Dickies
September 18 & 19, 2023 - Austin, Moody Center
May 10, 2024 - Portland, Moda Center
May 16, 2024 - Las Vegas, MGM Garden Arena
May 21 & 22, 2024 - Los Angeles, Forum
May 25, 2024 - Napa Valley, Bottlerock
May 30, 2024 - Seattle, Climate Pledge Arena
"...I changed by not changing at all..."
Could accepting the premium ticket sales have been a tradeoff to getting more tickets allocated to the fan club?
I genuinely don't know, just spit balling here.
Lincoln 2014
New York 2016
Seattle 2018
St Louis 2022
EV@ Innings Festival in AZ 2023
Fan-Verified Presale 10am
and
PJ Premium 10am
No mention of needing Fan-Verified for Premiums/Platinums, and no mention of the Premiums being a "presale"; never seen that before