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Halifax2TheMax

Lerxst1992 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

shecky said:

https://www.foxbusiness.com/media/study-shows-californias-20-minimum-wage-hike-cost-state-18000-jobs

Way to go, Gavin! "Would you like some fries with that?"

I thought you were a populist. 

OMG! .0009% of employed people in Cali.

That comment shows a lack of ability to do statistics. The real answer is somewhere around 3% of the APPLICABLE population . Three thousand percent error rate. WOW! But hey DEI hasn’t cost you a job yet, so keep at it!

There is help for you tho, please use it before commenting…thanks!

AI Overview

The result of 0.03/0.0009 is approximately 33.33, which is 3333.33%. To calculate the percent error, you would need to compare this result to an accepted or expected value. Without that reference point, it's impossible to determine a percent error. 

AI Overview

There are over 500,000 fast food workers in California. This figure represents a significant portion of the state's workforce and has led to discussions about the impact of wage increases on the industry

Your assumption is that a person in food service in incapable of doing anything else.  So a lost job in food service means that person will not acquire another job in another field.  That's a faulty assumption.  

What if the loss of job was due to automation?  What if the person left the position voluntarily and it was replaced by automation?  

I'm no advocate of 20/hr minimum wage for food service workers, but your attack on this is off base and not worthwhile  H2M is likely correct (I'm not checking his denominator) when he said "of employed people in Cali".  That's not a lack of understanding of statistics, it's a different lens.  The article stated clearly that it was 3.2% of the sector, and that's how they chose to evaluate it.  It doesn't make H2Ms statement a "lack of ability to do statistics".  

And WTF were you doing with AI here?  This appears to be apropos of nothing.  The result of 0.03/0.0009 is approximately 33.33, which is 3333.33%. To calculate the percent error, you would need to compare this result to an accepted or expected value. Without that reference point, it's impossible to determine a percent error. 

It really ain’t worth it

The research is literally about FOOD workers. Dems have Become a party of people who refused to read


“Researchers found that the state’s $20 minimum wage fast food hike has cost the fast-food sector 18,000 jobs since it went into effect in April 2024, representing a 3.2% decline in that sector compared to fast-food sectors in other parts of the country.


mr is outright supporting fake news, bc of a refusal to read the research, and accepted Hal’s pure fiction.

Because the fiction is Newsom is going to be painted with “want fries with that.” You both ignored the fact that more jobs were created in one month than were lost for food service workers and then tried to blame it on the state’s minimum wage rate. Talk about fiction.

But hey, I hear there are a lot of produce picking jobs available and that Dems really need to explain and apologize for the Brandon deep state covering up his mental decline and that JD Byryder is leading in the polls. I also heard that all those fast food workers were white and it was really DEI that lost them their jobs. Fucking joke. 

Gern Blansten

We should all be seeing why fast food jobs are declining....I actually love the kiosks when ordering inside and the apps when ordering pick up but those things do reduce the need for people.

mrussel1

Lerxst1992 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

shecky said:

https://www.foxbusiness.com/media/study-shows-californias-20-minimum-wage-hike-cost-state-18000-jobs

Way to go, Gavin! "Would you like some fries with that?"

I thought you were a populist. 

OMG! .0009% of employed people in Cali.

That comment shows a lack of ability to do statistics. The real answer is somewhere around 3% of the APPLICABLE population . Three thousand percent error rate. WOW! But hey DEI hasn’t cost you a job yet, so keep at it!

There is help for you tho, please use it before commenting…thanks!

AI Overview

The result of 0.03/0.0009 is approximately 33.33, which is 3333.33%. To calculate the percent error, you would need to compare this result to an accepted or expected value. Without that reference point, it's impossible to determine a percent error. 

AI Overview

There are over 500,000 fast food workers in California. This figure represents a significant portion of the state's workforce and has led to discussions about the impact of wage increases on the industry

Your assumption is that a person in food service in incapable of doing anything else.  So a lost job in food service means that person will not acquire another job in another field.  That's a faulty assumption.  

What if the loss of job was due to automation?  What if the person left the position voluntarily and it was replaced by automation?  

I'm no advocate of 20/hr minimum wage for food service workers, but your attack on this is off base and not worthwhile  H2M is likely correct (I'm not checking his denominator) when he said "of employed people in Cali".  That's not a lack of understanding of statistics, it's a different lens.  The article stated clearly that it was 3.2% of the sector, and that's how they chose to evaluate it.  It doesn't make H2Ms statement a "lack of ability to do statistics".  

And WTF were you doing with AI here?  This appears to be apropos of nothing.  The result of 0.03/0.0009 is approximately 33.33, which is 3333.33%. To calculate the percent error, you would need to compare this result to an accepted or expected value. Without that reference point, it's impossible to determine a percent error. 

It really ain’t worth it

The research is literally about FOOD workers. Dems have Become a party of people who refused to read


“Researchers found that the state’s $20 minimum wage fast food hike has cost the fast-food sector 18,000 jobs since it went into effect in April 2024, representing a 3.2% decline in that sector compared to fast-food sectors in other parts of the country.


mr is outright supporting fake news, bc of a refusal to read the research, and accepted Hal’s pure fiction.

It's a different lens he offered, not "fake news".  Seriously, what is wrong with you? Both statements can be true.  You are showing you don't have any sort of analytical background.  And I literally quoted the same thing that you did, but you say that I didn't 'read the research'.  Let me quote myself "The article stated clearly that it was 3.2% of the sector, and that's how they chose to evaluate it.  It doesn't make H2Ms statement a "lack of ability to do statistics". "


And I still don't know what kind of math you were trying to do later on, ending up with +3k% through some nonsense AI question you asked.
 
We keep telling you you are going full MAGA and this is yet another example.  You're having arguments about right wing think tanks research, completely forgetting that think tanks are typically hired by special interests, and they are easily able to manipulate data based on the desired outcome.  And it isn't even lying, it's the base assumptions that they integrate.  I feel like you would have remembered this a few years ago, but not anymore evidently.  

josevolution

Gern Blansten said:

We should all be seeing why fast food jobs are declining....I actually love the kiosks when ordering inside and the apps when ordering pick up but those things do reduce the need for people.

The tide can’t be stopped robots and automation are here to take jobs from humans and give more profits to the CEO’s and shareholders of the world

mrussel1

Gern Blansten said:

We should all be seeing why fast food jobs are declining....I actually love the kiosks when ordering inside and the apps when ordering pick up but those things do reduce the need for people.

Hence my statements about automation.  And those are the easily visible changes.  My guess is there are technology improvements in the back of the house that drive even more efficiency.  And fast food chain run a very tight labor model to start (unless you're Chick Fil-A).  They literally are evaluating labor vs revenue on an hourly basis, instructing managers where to cut headcount, send people home, send people to break, bring more people in, etc.  

Gern Blansten

mrussel1 said:

Gern Blansten said:

We should all be seeing why fast food jobs are declining....I actually love the kiosks when ordering inside and the apps when ordering pick up but those things do reduce the need for people.

Hence my statements about automation.  And those are the easily visible changes.  My guess is there are technology improvements in the back of the house that drive even more efficiency.  And fast food chain run a very tight labor model to start (unless you're Chick Fil-A).  They literally are evaluating labor vs revenue on an hourly basis, instructing managers where to cut headcount, send people home, send people to break, bring more people in, etc.  

Yeah I worked at Hardee's in 1987 and even then they were managing employees constantly. I can imagine that tech makes that very easy now.

We had to take breaks off the clock...I can't remember how long they were, maybe 15 minutes or so, but the manager would just put us on break and we'd hang out in the dining room and have a coke then clock back in. There were limits to how many times we could be put on break but I can't remember the rules.

I'm curious if that still happens...

gimmesometruth27

i refuse to use the order kiosks at fast food places. i am not going to do their work for them. especially given how expensive fast food is now, as well as smaller and smaller portions for a higher and higher price. if you are going to charge me $12 for an value meal, at least pay someone to take my order and provide a fucking receipt.

also, i do not use self checkout. it is the principle of the thing for me. i walk around your store and buy stuff from you, at least employ someone to check me out and make sure i found everything i was looking for. its not hard.

Gern Blansten

gimmesometruth27 said:

i refuse to use the order kiosks at fast food places. i am not going to do their work for them. especially given how expensive fast food is now, as well as smaller and smaller portions for a higher and higher price. if you are going to charge me $12 for an value meal, at least pay someone to take my order and provide a fucking receipt.

also, i do not use self checkout. it is the principle of the thing for me. i walk around your store and buy stuff from you, at least employ someone to check me out and make sure i found everything i was looking for. its not hard.

You still get a receipt. I just like being responsible for my order and easily customizing stuff. You get options that you didn't even know existed.

And the apps get you free shit and discounts. Gotta have it.

tbergs

gimmesometruth27 said:

i refuse to use the order kiosks at fast food places. i am not going to do their work for them. especially given how expensive fast food is now, as well as smaller and smaller portions for a higher and higher price. if you are going to charge me $12 for an value meal, at least pay someone to take my order and provide a fucking receipt.

also, i do not use self checkout. it is the principle of the thing for me. i walk around your store and buy stuff from you, at least employ someone to check me out and make sure i found everything i was looking for. its not hard.

I'll take self checkout everyday at grocery stores. It's quick and easy and I can bag my own stuff quicker. I place items in my cart a certain way so they are put together for bagging, but then you get the unaware cashier scanning all my soft goods first that I put in the upper back by themselves for after all the heavy stuff. I sometimes wonder if they've ever shopped and bagged groceries.

If I need a person, I go to a person. Sorry, automation is 10x more satisfying as a customer in my opinion. You still need a person in case of an issue and for security, but probably not 5. 

mickeyrat

cincybearcat said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

with that low approval rating they should probably run more pedophiles to pad the numbers a bit.

So Bill Clinton making a return?

dont recall any underage scandals. were there? abuse of power/position is bad enough but minors is a whole other level....

mickeyrat

Lerxst1992 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

shecky said:

https://www.foxbusiness.com/media/study-shows-californias-20-minimum-wage-hike-cost-state-18000-jobs

Way to go, Gavin! "Would you like some fries with that?"

I thought you were a populist. 

OMG! .0009% of employed people in Cali.

That comment shows a lack of ability to do statistics. The real answer is somewhere around 3% of the APPLICABLE population . Three thousand percent error rate. WOW! But hey DEI hasn’t cost you a job yet, so keep at it!

There is help for you tho, please use it before commenting…thanks!

AI Overview

The result of 0.03/0.0009 is approximately 33.33, which is 3333.33%. To calculate the percent error, you would need to compare this result to an accepted or expected value. Without that reference point, it's impossible to determine a percent error. 

AI Overview

There are over 500,000 fast food workers in California. This figure represents a significant portion of the state's workforce and has led to discussions about the impact of wage increases on the industry

Your assumption is that a person in food service in incapable of doing anything else.  So a lost job in food service means that person will not acquire another job in another field.  That's a faulty assumption.  

What if the loss of job was due to automation?  What if the person left the position voluntarily and it was replaced by automation?  

I'm no advocate of 20/hr minimum wage for food service workers, but your attack on this is off base and not worthwhile  H2M is likely correct (I'm not checking his denominator) when he said "of employed people in Cali".  That's not a lack of understanding of statistics, it's a different lens.  The article stated clearly that it was 3.2% of the sector, and that's how they chose to evaluate it.  It doesn't make H2Ms statement a "lack of ability to do statistics".  

And WTF were you doing with AI here?  This appears to be apropos of nothing.  The result of 0.03/0.0009 is approximately 33.33, which is 3333.33%. To calculate the percent error, you would need to compare this result to an accepted or expected value. Without that reference point, it's impossible to determine a percent error. 

It really ain’t worth it

The research is literally about FOOD workers. Dems have Become a party of people who refused to read


“Researchers found that the state’s $20 minimum wage fast food hike has cost the fast-food sector 18,000 jobs since it went into effect in April 2024, representing a 3.2% decline in that sector compared to fast-food sectors in other parts of the country.


mr is outright supporting fake news, bc of a refusal to read the research, and accepted Hal’s pure fiction.

did the research show to what degree automation had a role?

Gern Blansten

mickeyrat said:

cincybearcat said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

with that low approval rating they should probably run more pedophiles to pad the numbers a bit.

So Bill Clinton making a return?

dont recall any underage scandals. were there? abuse of power/position is bad enough but minors is a whole other level....

No...pretty much came out during Maxwell's trial that Clinton only travelled on Epstein's plane for humanitarian stuff. Always accompanied by secret service. Which we should point out that the secret service would ALWAYS be with Clinton so the GOP suggesting that Clinton went to the island or whatever would be easy to determine due to secret service records.

I think it's hilarious how trump keeps saying the Epstein files were doctored by Obama/Comey, etc., yet he still says they should be released so that Clinton can do down. Wouldn't Obama/Comey have fixed that at the same time?

Just unbelievable stupidity from the right.

And add on Markwayne Mullen forgetting that Epstein was arrested while trump was in office.

cincybearcat

gimmesometruth27 said:

i refuse to use the order kiosks at fast food places. i am not going to do their work for them. especially given how expensive fast food is now, as well as smaller and smaller portions for a higher and higher price. if you are going to charge me $12 for an value meal, at least pay someone to take my order and provide a fucking receipt.

also, i do not use self checkout. it is the principle of the thing for me. i walk around your store and buy stuff from you, at least employ someone to check me out and make sure i found everything i was looking for. its not hard.

I use every self kiosk/checkout I can. Most interactions with people that do or used to do those jobs is negative anyhow. 

gimmesometruth27

Gern Blansten said:

mickeyrat said:

cincybearcat said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

with that low approval rating they should probably run more pedophiles to pad the numbers a bit.

So Bill Clinton making a return?

dont recall any underage scandals. were there? abuse of power/position is bad enough but minors is a whole other level....

No...pretty much came out during Maxwell's trial that Clinton only travelled on Epstein's plane for humanitarian stuff. Always accompanied by secret service. Which we should point out that the secret service would ALWAYS be with Clinton so the GOP suggesting that Clinton went to the island or whatever would be easy to determine due to secret service records.

I think it's hilarious how trump keeps saying the Epstein files were doctored by Obama/Comey, etc., yet he still says they should be released so that Clinton can do down. Wouldn't Obama/Comey have fixed that at the same time?

Just unbelievable stupidity from the right.

And add on Markwayne Mullen forgetting that Epstein was arrested while trump was in office.

is the secret service really as esteemed and respected as i thought it once was? could they be trusted to cover up certain things that may or may not happen on epstein's plane?  wonder if his secret service would have actively staged an assassination attempt had bill asked for it.

that entire organization lost a lot of respect from me after the staged trump "attempt".

cincybearcat

mickeyrat said:

cincybearcat said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

with that low approval rating they should probably run more pedophiles to pad the numbers a bit.

So Bill Clinton making a return?

dont recall any underage scandals. were there? abuse of power/position is bad enough but minors is a whole other level....

Yeah I have no idea. But that dude was slime ball and smart as hell. creep. But mostly just a joke about that creepy asshat Clinton 

Gern Blansten

gimmesometruth27 said:

Gern Blansten said:

mickeyrat said:

cincybearcat said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

with that low approval rating they should probably run more pedophiles to pad the numbers a bit.

So Bill Clinton making a return?

dont recall any underage scandals. were there? abuse of power/position is bad enough but minors is a whole other level....

No...pretty much came out during Maxwell's trial that Clinton only travelled on Epstein's plane for humanitarian stuff. Always accompanied by secret service. Which we should point out that the secret service would ALWAYS be with Clinton so the GOP suggesting that Clinton went to the island or whatever would be easy to determine due to secret service records.

I think it's hilarious how trump keeps saying the Epstein files were doctored by Obama/Comey, etc., yet he still says they should be released so that Clinton can do down. Wouldn't Obama/Comey have fixed that at the same time?

Just unbelievable stupidity from the right.

And add on Markwayne Mullen forgetting that Epstein was arrested while trump was in office.

is the secret service really as esteemed and respected as i thought it once was? could they be trusted to cover up certain things that may or may not happen on epstein's plane?  wonder if his secret service would have actively staged an assassination attempt had bill asked for it.

that entire organization lost a lot of respect from me after the staged trump "attempt".

Too many people involved....no way they could possibly cover that up. 

mrussel1

cincybearcat said:

mickeyrat said:

cincybearcat said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

with that low approval rating they should probably run more pedophiles to pad the numbers a bit.

So Bill Clinton making a return?

dont recall any underage scandals. were there? abuse of power/position is bad enough but minors is a whole other level....

Yeah I have no idea. But that dude was slime ball and smart as hell. creep. But mostly just a joke about that creepy asshat Clinton 

He was an excellent president.  

mickeyrat

cincybearcat said:

mickeyrat said:

cincybearcat said:

gimmesometruth27 said:

with that low approval rating they should probably run more pedophiles to pad the numbers a bit.

So Bill Clinton making a return?

dont recall any underage scandals. were there? abuse of power/position is bad enough but minors is a whole other level....

Yeah I have no idea. But that dude was slime ball and smart as hell. creep. But mostly just a joke about that creepy asshat Clinton 

carry on...

Lerxst1992

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

shecky said:

https://www.foxbusiness.com/media/study-shows-californias-20-minimum-wage-hike-cost-state-18000-jobs

Way to go, Gavin! "Would you like some fries with that?"

I thought you were a populist. 

OMG! .0009% of employed people in Cali.

That comment shows a lack of ability to do statistics. The real answer is somewhere around 3% of the APPLICABLE population . Three thousand percent error rate. WOW! But hey DEI hasn’t cost you a job yet, so keep at it!

There is help for you tho, please use it before commenting…thanks!

AI Overview

The result of 0.03/0.0009 is approximately 33.33, which is 3333.33%. To calculate the percent error, you would need to compare this result to an accepted or expected value. Without that reference point, it's impossible to determine a percent error. 

AI Overview

There are over 500,000 fast food workers in California. This figure represents a significant portion of the state's workforce and has led to discussions about the impact of wage increases on the industry

Your assumption is that a person in food service in incapable of doing anything else.  So a lost job in food service means that person will not acquire another job in another field.  That's a faulty assumption.  

What if the loss of job was due to automation?  What if the person left the position voluntarily and it was replaced by automation?  

I'm no advocate of 20/hr minimum wage for food service workers, but your attack on this is off base and not worthwhile  H2M is likely correct (I'm not checking his denominator) when he said "of employed people in Cali".  That's not a lack of understanding of statistics, it's a different lens.  The article stated clearly that it was 3.2% of the sector, and that's how they chose to evaluate it.  It doesn't make H2Ms statement a "lack of ability to do statistics".  

And WTF were you doing with AI here?  This appears to be apropos of nothing.  The result of 0.03/0.0009 is approximately 33.33, which is 3333.33%. To calculate the percent error, you would need to compare this result to an accepted or expected value. Without that reference point, it's impossible to determine a percent error. 

It really ain’t worth it

The research is literally about FOOD workers. Dems have Become a party of people who refused to read


“Researchers found that the state’s $20 minimum wage fast food hike has cost the fast-food sector 18,000 jobs since it went into effect in April 2024, representing a 3.2% decline in that sector compared to fast-food sectors in other parts of the country.


mr is outright supporting fake news, bc of a refusal to read the research, and accepted Hal’s pure fiction.

It's a different lens he offered, not "fake news".  Seriously, what is wrong with you? Both statements can be true.  You are showing you don't have any sort of analytical background.  And I literally quoted the same thing that you did, but you say that I didn't 'read the research'.  Let me quote myself "The article stated clearly that it was 3.2% of the sector, and that's how they chose to evaluate it.  It doesn't make H2Ms statement a "lack of ability to do statistics". "


And I still don't know what kind of math you were trying to do later on, ending up with +3k% through some nonsense AI question you asked.
 
We keep telling you you are going full MAGA and this is yet another example.  You're having arguments about right wing think tanks research, completely forgetting that think tanks are typically hired by special interests, and they are easily able to manipulate data based on the desired outcome.  And it isn't even lying, it's the base assumptions that they integrate.  I feel like you would have remembered this a few years ago, but not anymore evidently.  

The entire point of the study…
” The research found that in the year since the bill went into law, California’s fast food employment contracted while fast food employment around the country expanded.”


which has zero to do with his point

Lerxst1992

Halifax2TheMax said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

mrussel1 said:

Lerxst1992 said:

Halifax2TheMax said:

mrussel1 said:

shecky said:

https://www.foxbusiness.com/media/study-shows-californias-20-minimum-wage-hike-cost-state-18000-jobs

Way to go, Gavin! "Would you like some fries with that?"

I thought you were a populist. 

OMG! .0009% of employed people in Cali.

That comment shows a lack of ability to do statistics. The real answer is somewhere around 3% of the APPLICABLE population . Three thousand percent error rate. WOW! But hey DEI hasn’t cost you a job yet, so keep at it!

There is help for you tho, please use it before commenting…thanks!

AI Overview

The result of 0.03/0.0009 is approximately 33.33, which is 3333.33%. To calculate the percent error, you would need to compare this result to an accepted or expected value. Without that reference point, it's impossible to determine a percent error. 

AI Overview

There are over 500,000 fast food workers in California. This figure represents a significant portion of the state's workforce and has led to discussions about the impact of wage increases on the industry

Your assumption is that a person in food service in incapable of doing anything else.  So a lost job in food service means that person will not acquire another job in another field.  That's a faulty assumption.  

What if the loss of job was due to automation?  What if the person left the position voluntarily and it was replaced by automation?  

I'm no advocate of 20/hr minimum wage for food service workers, but your attack on this is off base and not worthwhile  H2M is likely correct (I'm not checking his denominator) when he said "of employed people in Cali".  That's not a lack of understanding of statistics, it's a different lens.  The article stated clearly that it was 3.2% of the sector, and that's how they chose to evaluate it.  It doesn't make H2Ms statement a "lack of ability to do statistics".  

And WTF were you doing with AI here?  This appears to be apropos of nothing.  The result of 0.03/0.0009 is approximately 33.33, which is 3333.33%. To calculate the percent error, you would need to compare this result to an accepted or expected value. Without that reference point, it's impossible to determine a percent error. 

It really ain’t worth it

The research is literally about FOOD workers. Dems have Become a party of people who refused to read


“Researchers found that the state’s $20 minimum wage fast food hike has cost the fast-food sector 18,000 jobs since it went into effect in April 2024, representing a 3.2% decline in that sector compared to fast-food sectors in other parts of the country.


mr is outright supporting fake news, bc of a refusal to read the research, and accepted Hal’s pure fiction.

Because the fiction is Newsom is going to be painted with “want fries with that.” You both ignored the fact that more jobs were created in one month than were lost for food service workers and then tried to blame it on the state’s minimum wage rate. Talk about fiction.

But hey, I hear there are a lot of produce picking jobs available and that Dems really need to explain and apologize for the Brandon deep state covering up his mental decline and that JD Byryder is leading in the polls. I also heard that all those fast food workers were white and it was really DEI that lost them their jobs. Fucking joke. 

The point of that study was fast food employment is declining 3.2% there while it’s INCREASING IN OTHER STATES.  

Why don’t you share the math on your .009? And why do you need to look at skin color when discussing employment related topics? Are you an ICE agent? Or just enjoy racism?